Remember: There Was No ‘Insurrection’ on January 6, 2021

[Faun]

Why are we even talking about this, after how obviously bad past elections, like 2000 were?
Clearly there is no valid legal reason to even begin to use voting machines, for example.
The only possible reason for using voting machines is to make cheating much easier.

There was no fraud in 2000 either beyond the usual isolated cases by a few individual voters.

 

[Faun]

Wrong.
Pence was NEVER asked to "overturn" anything.
He was simply asked to "not certify", so that there would be more time to investigate.

Lyin' Russian bot...

"He [Pence] can decertify the results or send them back to the states for change and certification." ~ Trump

"He [Pence] can also decertify the illegal and corrupt results and send them to the House of Representatives for the one vote for one state tabulation." ~ Trump

"All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people." ~ Trump

 

[Faun]

False.

He told the mob it was up to them to stop them

Lyin' Welshy...

"We must stop the steal..." ~ Trump​

 

[Faun]

Since recounts are the best we can do, then after the recount, everyone was satisfied as far as I know.
So what is your complaint against these demonstrators for reasonably demanding a recount before certification?

The law states the electoral votes be counted by Congress on January 6th.

 

[Faun]

That is just a lie.
The closest anything came to violence is when the police tried to push doors closed when some of their own men were between the doors.
All the violence was obviously the fault of the police, who were not even outnumbered when you count all to armed cops hiding in the basement.

Lyin' Russian bot...

One cop was beat up so bad, he suffered brain damage and a heart attack and fell unconscious.

 

[Rigby5]

They weren’t satisfied about Georgia’s recount.

Your assertion that all they wanted was a recount doesn’t hold water.

They didn’t want an investigation. They wanted Trump to be president.

Wrong.
The Georgia recount did not happen

There was no fraud in 2000 either beyond the usual isolated cases by a few individual voters.

That is an obvious lie.
Not only were tens of thousands of ballots thrown away for fake claims like "hanging chads", but we know 40k legal voters were rejected on claims they had similar names to convicted felons.
And when you come right down to it, not letting convicted felons to vote is also inherently illegal, because it is "taxation without representation".
It was large scale, massive, and organized vote fraud in the 2000 FL election.
The only reason it was not fixed was that the FL Secretary of State, Katherine Harris, deliberately ran down the clock until nothing could be done about it anymore, according to the SCOTUS.

 

[Rigby5]

Lyin' Russian bot...

"He [Pence] can decertify the results or send them back to the states for change and certification." ~ Trump

"He [Pence] can also decertify the illegal and corrupt results and send them to the House of Representatives for the one vote for one state tabulation." ~ Trump

"All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people." ~ Trump

And "desertifying" or "sending back to the states" is NOT "overturning".
The word "overturn" means to replace the verdict from the states with one of your own.
And clearly that was NEVER mentioned or suggested.
When you "decertify" or "send back to the states", you are just delaying the state result, in order to ensure its accuracy. You are not over riding the states at all, in any way.

 

[Marener]

Wrong.
The Georgia recount did not happen

It happened all over the state of Georgia in front of observers and cameras. You must be joking.

 

[Faun]

We do not know they were lies if he believed them to be true.


WRONG!
Both Pence and Congress are SUPPOSED to not certify if there is any significant doubt about the election.
It was wrong and illegal for Pence and Congress to certify an election that has been accused and not yet investigated.
That is obviously the whole point of certification by the VP.
For example, what if someone sent in fake elector impersonators?
Should a VP certify an obvious fraud like that?

If he believed they were true, he wouldn't have said, "don’t expect you to do that, just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the R. Congressmen."

 

[Faun]

And "desertifying" or "sending back to the states" is NOT "overturning".
The word "overturn" means to replace the verdict from the states with one of your own.
And clearly that was NEVER mentioned or suggested.
When you "decertify" or "send back to the states", you are just delaying the state result, in order to ensure its accuracy. You are not over riding the states at all, in any way.

You're still lying, Russian bot...

again...

"All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people." ~ Trump

 

[Faun]

When you "decertify" or "send back to the states", you are just delaying the state result, in order to ensure its accuracy. You are not over riding the states at all, in any way.

There was no time left for that. In case you forgot the Supreme Court ruling from Bush v. Gore in 2000.... there is no remedy at the state level following the Safe Harbor deadline.

 

[Rigby5]

The law states the electoral votes be counted by Congress on January 6th.

To be counted on a particular date does not make that a legal requirement.
If for example, there had been a natural disaster like a tornado, there would be no problem delaying.
There obviously can often be valid reasons for delay.
What would be criminal would be to not delay when there are reasons to suspect improprieties.
That would be an attempt at a coverup.

 

[Rigby5]

Lyin' Russian bot...

One cop was beat up so bad, he suffered brain damage and a heart attack and fell unconscious.

That is lie.
No cop was "beaten" at all, and the cop who later died of a stroke, had NO SIGNS of any traumatic head injury at all. The best one could claim is that he was sprayed with an irritant. He did not have a single bruise or cut.

 

[Rigby5]

"All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people." ~ Trump

That is ONLY under the assumption that the first state elector results were incorrect.
If the state recertified that Trump lost, then he would NOT become president.
Decertifying the first result does not in any way effect the result of the final electoral count.

 

[Rigby5]

There was no time left for that. In case you forgot the Supreme Court ruling from Bush v. Gore in 2000.... there is no remedy at the state level following the Safe Harbor deadline.

First of all, the SCOTUS was clearly wrong in their 2000 decision.
But in this case, clearly there was still plenty of time, and there was absolutely no reason at all to rush to certify.
The Safe Harbor ruling pertains to states having to make a final decision by Dec 8th.
It has absolutely no influence or effect on whether or not Congress decides to accept the states choice by Jan 6.

 

[Faun]

That is an obvious lie.
Not only were tens of thousands of ballots thrown away for fake claims like "hanging chads", but we know 40k legal voters were rejected on claims they had similar names to convicted felons.
And when you come right down to it, not letting convicted felons to vote is also inherently illegal, because it is "taxation without representation".
It was large scale, massive, and organized vote fraud in the 2000 FL election.
The only reason it was not fixed was that the FL Secretary of State, Katherine Harris, deliberately ran down the clock until nothing could be done about it anymore, according to the SCOTUS.

Lyin' Russian bot... Hanging chads were counted. And there were not 40K voters rejected. It was far closer to 1100. There were 50K names on the list in total, 98% were correct. And all names on that list were contacted to contest it if their name erroneously on the list. And 1/3 of the state ignored the list.

As far as, "no taxation without representation," that's a bumper sticker, not a law.

 

[Faun]

To be counted on a particular date does not make that a legal requirement.
If for example, there had been a natural disaster like a tornado, there would be no problem delaying.
There obviously can often be valid reasons for delay.
What would be criminal would be to not delay when there are reasons to suspect improprieties.
That would be an attempt at a coverup.

It's the law, lyin' Russian bot.

3 U.S. Code § 15 - Counting electoral votes in Congress

Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer.​

 

[Faun]

That is lie.
No cop was "beaten" at all, and the cop who later died of a stroke, had NO SIGNS of any traumatic head injury at all. The best one could claim is that he was sprayed with an irritant. He did not have a single bruise or cut.

Lyin' Russian bot, I'm not talking about Officer Sicknick.

 

[Faun]

That is ONLY under the assumption that the first state elector results were incorrect.
If the state recertified that Trump lost, then he would NOT become president.
Decertifying the first result does not in any way effect the result of the final electoral count.

Not what Trump said. He said, "all Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people."

 

[Faun]

First of all, the SCOTUS was clearly wrong in their 2000 decision.
But in this case, clearly there was still plenty of time, and there was absolutely no reason at all to rush to certify.
The Safe Harbor ruling pertains to states having to make a final decision by Dec 8th.
It has absolutely no influence or effect on whether or not Congress decides to accept the states choice by Jan 6.

The Safe Harbor ruling pertains to states having to make a final decision by Dec 8th.

LOL

Lying Russian bot ... you just unwittingly sank your own argument. Since the Safe Harbor date is when the states have to make their "FINAL DECISION," how could Pence send slates back to the states to be recertified AFTER the Safe Harbor Date?