Republican Hispanic Crusade

[Stephanie]

This is kind of crap we are up against. These dishonest people like Obama and his party can just make up anything they want and pass it around, the hell if the TRUTH or not. as long as it's for THEIR PARTY

Those of you who voted for the puke and because you are concerned about the Illegal immigrants breaking into our country and getting treated better by your President than you?

How do you like having your own President because you're concerned about Illegal Immigration and what's it's doing to our country and getting us killed, calling you UnAmercian ?

You support these nasty people? vote for Hillary she'll carry on calling you names if you don't bow to her and that party

 

[BluesLegend]

Illegals have killed, raped, robbed, maimed more Americans than lost their lives on 9/11 where do your loyalties lie? I think we know.

I'm sure a nativist of the 19th century was decrying that more people were killed, raped, robbed, and maimed by European garbage than had been killed at Antietam.

Same bullshit, different century.

I'm sorry the question makes you feel ashamed of yourself. We are still waiting for an answer, how many daughters have to die in their father's arms, how many Americans have to be sacrificed on the alter of illegal aliens?

Appeal to emotion logical fallacy

That bullshit doesn't work on me.

Same bullshit, different century.

Here's some butt hurt for you fool...

Statistics show illegal immigrants are three times as likely to be convicted of murder as members of the general population and account for far more crimes than their 3.5-percent share of the U.S. population

Justice attorney J. Christian Adams called illegal crime a, "wave of staggering proportions."

Statistics show illegals commit 13.6 percent of all crimes in the U.S., 12 percent of murder convictions, 20 percent of kidnappings, 16 percent of drug trafficking.

Illegals commit thousands of sexual assaults, domestic violence assaults, and DUI's each year.

Between 2008 and 2014 in Texas immigrants (legal and illegal) committed 611,234 crimes including nearly 3,000 homicides.

.

Hmm, I have to ask why, when you C&Ped your information from a Fox article did you edit out the words "In the absence of comprehensive data"? Find the full article Blues Legend C&Ped from - here.

What Blues Legend's Fox article spews just doesn't square with analysis from many various other sources.

Other sources are saying:
Immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or to be incarcerated than native-born Americans. A 2007 study by the Immigration Policy Center found that the incarceration rate for immigrant men ages 18 to 39 in 2000 was 0.7 percent, while the incarceration rate for native-born men of the same age group was 3.5 percent. While the foreign-born share of the U.S. population grew from 8 percent to 13 percent between 1990 and 2010, FBI data indicate that violent crime rates across the country fell by about 45 percent, while property crime rates fell by 42 percent. Find here

The most serious conviction for many deported immigrants is an immigration or traffic violation. Forty-seven percent of those deported in FY 2012 for committing a crime were convicted of only immigration or traffic offenses. Find here





Trump immigration claim has no data to back it up

The Pinocchio Test
It’s difficult to connect any crime with illegal immigration, by its nature. Drug smuggling and violent crimes do exist, but the cases are not indicative of larger trends in the immigrant population. What we do know about crime rates among non-citizens and inmates with unknown or unauthorized immigrant statuses show Trump’s assertions about a crime wave are not accurate.

Trump’s repeated statements about immigrants and crime underscore a common public perception that crime is correlated with immigration, especially illegal immigration. But that is a misperception; no solid data support it, and the data that do exist negate it. Trump can defend himself all he wants, but the facts just are not there.

Four Pinocchios

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Talk about IRONY your intentionally dishonest post has pegged the IRONY meter off scale. Lets consider the context which you left out then the full quote which you also left out.

The article begins by discussing how government intentionally avoids compiling illegal crime statistics for political reasons and they come back to this point several times in the article with supporting facts. Now lets look at the full quote,

"the government agencies that crunch crime numbers are utterly unable -- or unwilling -- to pinpoint for the public how many illegal immigrants are arrested within U.S. borders each year...In the absence of comprehensive data, FoxNews.com examined a patchwork of local, state and federal statistics that revealed a wildly disproportionate number of murderers, rapists and drug dealers are crossing into the U.S. amid the wave of hard-working families seeking a better life."

So Fox on discovering that government is trying to intentionally avoid reporting on illegal crime because it exposes the gross government incompetence, I would say government is complicit in this illegal crime wave, Fox gathered their own data from multiple sources.

Here's yet another quote and source from the article you chose to ignore,

"There are a lot of reasons states don’t make this information readily available, and there is no clearinghouse of data at high levels," said former Department of Justice attorney J. Christian Adams, who has conducted exhaustive research on the subject. "These numbers would expose how serious the problem is and make the government look bad.”

Care to dispute this former Department of Justice attorney? No I didn't think so, crawl back under your rock lib.

 

[Star]

I'm sure a nativist of the 19th century was decrying that more people were killed, raped, robbed, and maimed by European garbage than had been killed at Antietam.

Same bullshit, different century.

I'm sorry the question makes you feel ashamed of yourself. We are still waiting for an answer, how many daughters have to die in their father's arms, how many Americans have to be sacrificed on the alter of illegal aliens?

Appeal to emotion logical fallacy

That bullshit doesn't work on me.

Same bullshit, different century.

Here's some butt hurt for you fool...

Statistics show illegal immigrants are three times as likely to be convicted of murder as members of the general population and account for far more crimes than their 3.5-percent share of the U.S. population

Justice attorney J. Christian Adams called illegal crime a, "wave of staggering proportions."

Statistics show illegals commit 13.6 percent of all crimes in the U.S., 12 percent of murder convictions, 20 percent of kidnappings, 16 percent of drug trafficking.

Illegals commit thousands of sexual assaults, domestic violence assaults, and DUI's each year.

Between 2008 and 2014 in Texas immigrants (legal and illegal) committed 611,234 crimes including nearly 3,000 homicides.

.

Hmm, I have to ask why, when you C&Ped your information from a Fox article did you edit out the words "In the absence of comprehensive data"? Find the full article Blues Legend C&Ped from - here.

What Blues Legend's Fox article spews just doesn't square with analysis from many various other sources.

Other sources are saying:
Immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or to be incarcerated than native-born Americans. A 2007 study by the Immigration Policy Center found that the incarceration rate for immigrant men ages 18 to 39 in 2000 was 0.7 percent, while the incarceration rate for native-born men of the same age group was 3.5 percent. While the foreign-born share of the U.S. population grew from 8 percent to 13 percent between 1990 and 2010, FBI data indicate that violent crime rates across the country fell by about 45 percent, while property crime rates fell by 42 percent. Find here

The most serious conviction for many deported immigrants is an immigration or traffic violation. Forty-seven percent of those deported in FY 2012 for committing a crime were convicted of only immigration or traffic offenses. Find here





Trump immigration claim has no data to back it up

The Pinocchio Test
It’s difficult to connect any crime with illegal immigration, by its nature. Drug smuggling and violent crimes do exist, but the cases are not indicative of larger trends in the immigrant population. What we do know about crime rates among non-citizens and inmates with unknown or unauthorized immigrant statuses show Trump’s assertions about a crime wave are not accurate.

Trump’s repeated statements about immigrants and crime underscore a common public perception that crime is correlated with immigration, especially illegal immigration. But that is a misperception; no solid data support it, and the data that do exist negate it. Trump can defend himself all he wants, but the facts just are not there.

Four Pinocchios

.

Talk about IRONY your intentionally dishonest post has pegged the IRONY meter off scale. Lets consider the context which you left out then the full quote which you also left out.

The article begins by discussing how government intentionally avoids compiling illegal crime statistics for political reasons and they come back to this point several times in the article with supporting facts. Now lets look at the full quote,

"the government agencies that crunch crime numbers are utterly unable -- or unwilling -- to pinpoint for the public how many illegal immigrants are arrested within U.S. borders each year...In the absence of comprehensive data, FoxNews.com examined a patchwork of local, state and federal statistics that revealed a wildly disproportionate number of murderers, rapists and drug dealers are crossing into the U.S. amid the wave of hard-working families seeking a better life."

So Fox on discovering that government is trying to intentionally avoid reporting on illegal crime because it exposes the gross government incompetence, I would say government is complicit in this illegal crime wave, Fox gathered their own data from multiple sources.

Here's yet another quote and source from the article you chose to ignore,

"There are a lot of reasons states don’t make this information readily available, and there is no clearinghouse of data at high levels," said former Department of Justice attorney J. Christian Adams, who has conducted exhaustive research on the subject. "These numbers would expose how serious the problem is and make the government look bad.”

Care to dispute this former Department of Justice attorney? No I didn't think so, crawl back under your rock lib.

Former Department of Justice Attorney J. Christian Adams was hired during Monica Goodling's/Gonzo's attempt at imbedding political appointees into the DOJ. I don't know whether or not Adams was one of Goodlings political appointments but-----but the racist (amazing that he was assigned to the Civil Rights Division - but that was the Bush/Gonzo/Goodling DOJ for you) Adams, fit very well into the Gonzo/Goodling culture that existed in the DOJ at the time.

Unlike your dishonest C&P from Fox-----Fox, of all places -pewsh!- I provided a link to your entire manipulated article, so when you choose to accuse someone of ignoring parts of an article... look in a mirror. And-----and making it even worse, the part you cut out changed the context (CMP much?).

But let's explore how Adams was able squeeze his racist views into information released by US Sentencing Commission, et al.

Alan Gomez, USA TODAY July 16, 2015: Voices: How violent are undocumented immigrants?

<snip>

Trump, the billionaire Republican presidential hopeful, has used that killing as proof that he has been right all along about undocumented immigrants, that they bring with them a level of criminality far higher than native-born Americans. Immigration advocates have fought back, arguing that this was an isolated instance far from representative of the entire population of 11 million undocumented immigrants.

So who's right? Let's look at their numbers.

Supporters of the Trump theory have been pointing to data from the U.S. Sentencing Commission that found undocumented immigrants account for disturbingly high levels of violent crime. While they represent just 3.5% of the U.S. population, undocumented immigrants represented 7% of federal prison sentences following convictions on charges of sexual abuse, 9% of murders, 12% of assaults and 30% of kidnappings in 2013.


Case closed, right? Far from it.


Only a tiny percentage of the nation’s violent crimes are handled by the federal court system. Yes, undocumented immigrants accounted for 9.2% of federal murder convictions in 2013, but that represents a grand total of eight murder cases. When you consider that the FBI estimates there were 14,196 murders in the U.S. in 2013, those few cases handled by the federal court system don’t quite register as a reliable sample set.

The same goes for the other violent crimes cited in those statistics. Add the fact that undocumented immigrants are far more likely to be caught up in the federal court system because of non-violent immigration violations, and the numbers shouldn't mean much.

<snip>

Speaking of crawling...
...note to Republicans: “If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading.” ~ Lao Tzu

.

 

[BluesLegend]

I'm sorry the question makes you feel ashamed of yourself. We are still waiting for an answer, how many daughters have to die in their father's arms, how many Americans have to be sacrificed on the alter of illegal aliens?

Appeal to emotion logical fallacy

That bullshit doesn't work on me.

Same bullshit, different century.

Here's some butt hurt for you fool...

Statistics show illegal immigrants are three times as likely to be convicted of murder as members of the general population and account for far more crimes than their 3.5-percent share of the U.S. population

Justice attorney J. Christian Adams called illegal crime a, "wave of staggering proportions."

Statistics show illegals commit 13.6 percent of all crimes in the U.S., 12 percent of murder convictions, 20 percent of kidnappings, 16 percent of drug trafficking.

Illegals commit thousands of sexual assaults, domestic violence assaults, and DUI's each year.

Between 2008 and 2014 in Texas immigrants (legal and illegal) committed 611,234 crimes including nearly 3,000 homicides.

.

Hmm, I have to ask why, when you C&Ped your information from a Fox article did you edit out the words "In the absence of comprehensive data"? Find the full article Blues Legend C&Ped from - here.

What Blues Legend's Fox article spews just doesn't square with analysis from many various other sources.

Other sources are saying:
Immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or to be incarcerated than native-born Americans. A 2007 study by the Immigration Policy Center found that the incarceration rate for immigrant men ages 18 to 39 in 2000 was 0.7 percent, while the incarceration rate for native-born men of the same age group was 3.5 percent. While the foreign-born share of the U.S. population grew from 8 percent to 13 percent between 1990 and 2010, FBI data indicate that violent crime rates across the country fell by about 45 percent, while property crime rates fell by 42 percent. Find here

The most serious conviction for many deported immigrants is an immigration or traffic violation. Forty-seven percent of those deported in FY 2012 for committing a crime were convicted of only immigration or traffic offenses. Find here





Trump immigration claim has no data to back it up

The Pinocchio Test
It’s difficult to connect any crime with illegal immigration, by its nature. Drug smuggling and violent crimes do exist, but the cases are not indicative of larger trends in the immigrant population. What we do know about crime rates among non-citizens and inmates with unknown or unauthorized immigrant statuses show Trump’s assertions about a crime wave are not accurate.

Trump’s repeated statements about immigrants and crime underscore a common public perception that crime is correlated with immigration, especially illegal immigration. But that is a misperception; no solid data support it, and the data that do exist negate it. Trump can defend himself all he wants, but the facts just are not there.

Four Pinocchios

.

Talk about IRONY your intentionally dishonest post has pegged the IRONY meter off scale. Lets consider the context which you left out then the full quote which you also left out.

The article begins by discussing how government intentionally avoids compiling illegal crime statistics for political reasons and they come back to this point several times in the article with supporting facts. Now lets look at the full quote,

"the government agencies that crunch crime numbers are utterly unable -- or unwilling -- to pinpoint for the public how many illegal immigrants are arrested within U.S. borders each year...In the absence of comprehensive data, FoxNews.com examined a patchwork of local, state and federal statistics that revealed a wildly disproportionate number of murderers, rapists and drug dealers are crossing into the U.S. amid the wave of hard-working families seeking a better life."

So Fox on discovering that government is trying to intentionally avoid reporting on illegal crime because it exposes the gross government incompetence, I would say government is complicit in this illegal crime wave, Fox gathered their own data from multiple sources.

Here's yet another quote and source from the article you chose to ignore,

"There are a lot of reasons states don’t make this information readily available, and there is no clearinghouse of data at high levels," said former Department of Justice attorney J. Christian Adams, who has conducted exhaustive research on the subject. "These numbers would expose how serious the problem is and make the government look bad.”

Care to dispute this former Department of Justice attorney? No I didn't think so, crawl back under your rock lib.

Former Department of Justice Attorney J. Christian Adams was hired during Monica Goodling's/Gonzo's attempt at imbedding political appointees into the DOJ. I don't know whether or not Adams was one of Goodlings political appointments but-----but the racist (amazing that he was assigned to the Civil Rights Division - but that was the Bush/Gonzo/Goodling DOJ for you) Adams, fit very well into the Gonzo/Goodling culture that existed in the DOJ at the time.

Unlike your dishonest C&P from Fox-----Fox, of all places -pewsh!- I provided a link to your entire manipulated article, so when you choose to accuse someone of ignoring parts of an article... look in a mirror. And-----and making it even worse, the part you cut out changed the context (CMP much?).

But let's explore how Adams was able squeeze his racist views into information released by US Sentencing Commission, et al.

Alan Gomez, USA TODAY July 16, 2015: Voices: How violent are undocumented immigrants?

<snip>

Trump, the billionaire Republican presidential hopeful, has used that killing as proof that he has been right all along about undocumented immigrants, that they bring with them a level of criminality far higher than native-born Americans. Immigration advocates have fought back, arguing that this was an isolated instance far from representative of the entire population of 11 million undocumented immigrants.

So who's right? Let's look at their numbers.

Supporters of the Trump theory have been pointing to data from the U.S. Sentencing Commission that found undocumented immigrants account for disturbingly high levels of violent crime. While they represent just 3.5% of the U.S. population, undocumented immigrants represented 7% of federal prison sentences following convictions on charges of sexual abuse, 9% of murders, 12% of assaults and 30% of kidnappings in 2013.


Case closed, right? Far from it.


Only a tiny percentage of the nation’s violent crimes are handled by the federal court system. Yes, undocumented immigrants accounted for 9.2% of federal murder convictions in 2013, but that represents a grand total of eight murder cases. When you consider that the FBI estimates there were 14,196 murders in the U.S. in 2013, those few cases handled by the federal court system don’t quite register as a reliable sample set.

The same goes for the other violent crimes cited in those statistics. Add the fact that undocumented immigrants are far more likely to be caught up in the federal court system because of non-violent immigration violations, and the numbers shouldn't mean much.

<snip>

Speaking of crawling...
...note to Republicans: “If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading.” ~ Lao Tzu

.

I'm sorry I don't have time to read your manifestos maybe you should mail it to Fox News.

 

[Star]

Appeal to emotion logical fallacy

That bullshit doesn't work on me.

Same bullshit, different century.

Here's some butt hurt for you fool...

Statistics show illegal immigrants are three times as likely to be convicted of murder as members of the general population and account for far more crimes than their 3.5-percent share of the U.S. population

Justice attorney J. Christian Adams called illegal crime a, "wave of staggering proportions."

Statistics show illegals commit 13.6 percent of all crimes in the U.S., 12 percent of murder convictions, 20 percent of kidnappings, 16 percent of drug trafficking.

Illegals commit thousands of sexual assaults, domestic violence assaults, and DUI's each year.

Between 2008 and 2014 in Texas immigrants (legal and illegal) committed 611,234 crimes including nearly 3,000 homicides.

.

Hmm, I have to ask why, when you C&Ped your information from a Fox article did you edit out the words "In the absence of comprehensive data"? Find the full article Blues Legend C&Ped from - here.

What Blues Legend's Fox article spews just doesn't square with analysis from many various other sources.

Other sources are saying:
Immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or to be incarcerated than native-born Americans. A 2007 study by the Immigration Policy Center found that the incarceration rate for immigrant men ages 18 to 39 in 2000 was 0.7 percent, while the incarceration rate for native-born men of the same age group was 3.5 percent. While the foreign-born share of the U.S. population grew from 8 percent to 13 percent between 1990 and 2010, FBI data indicate that violent crime rates across the country fell by about 45 percent, while property crime rates fell by 42 percent. Find here

The most serious conviction for many deported immigrants is an immigration or traffic violation. Forty-seven percent of those deported in FY 2012 for committing a crime were convicted of only immigration or traffic offenses. Find here





Trump immigration claim has no data to back it up

The Pinocchio Test
It’s difficult to connect any crime with illegal immigration, by its nature. Drug smuggling and violent crimes do exist, but the cases are not indicative of larger trends in the immigrant population. What we do know about crime rates among non-citizens and inmates with unknown or unauthorized immigrant statuses show Trump’s assertions about a crime wave are not accurate.

Trump’s repeated statements about immigrants and crime underscore a common public perception that crime is correlated with immigration, especially illegal immigration. But that is a misperception; no solid data support it, and the data that do exist negate it. Trump can defend himself all he wants, but the facts just are not there.

Four Pinocchios

.

Talk about IRONY your intentionally dishonest post has pegged the IRONY meter off scale. Lets consider the context which you left out then the full quote which you also left out.

The article begins by discussing how government intentionally avoids compiling illegal crime statistics for political reasons and they come back to this point several times in the article with supporting facts. Now lets look at the full quote,

"the government agencies that crunch crime numbers are utterly unable -- or unwilling -- to pinpoint for the public how many illegal immigrants are arrested within U.S. borders each year...In the absence of comprehensive data, FoxNews.com examined a patchwork of local, state and federal statistics that revealed a wildly disproportionate number of murderers, rapists and drug dealers are crossing into the U.S. amid the wave of hard-working families seeking a better life."

So Fox on discovering that government is trying to intentionally avoid reporting on illegal crime because it exposes the gross government incompetence, I would say government is complicit in this illegal crime wave, Fox gathered their own data from multiple sources.

Here's yet another quote and source from the article you chose to ignore,

"There are a lot of reasons states don’t make this information readily available, and there is no clearinghouse of data at high levels," said former Department of Justice attorney J. Christian Adams, who has conducted exhaustive research on the subject. "These numbers would expose how serious the problem is and make the government look bad.”

Care to dispute this former Department of Justice attorney? No I didn't think so, crawl back under your rock lib.

Former Department of Justice Attorney J. Christian Adams was hired during Monica Goodling's/Gonzo's attempt at imbedding political appointees into the DOJ. I don't know whether or not Adams was one of Goodlings political appointments but-----but the racist (amazing that he was assigned to the Civil Rights Division - but that was the Bush/Gonzo/Goodling DOJ for you) Adams, fit very well into the Gonzo/Goodling culture that existed in the DOJ at the time.

Unlike your dishonest C&P from Fox-----Fox, of all places -pewsh!- I provided a link to your entire manipulated article, so when you choose to accuse someone of ignoring parts of an article... look in a mirror. And-----and making it even worse, the part you cut out changed the context (CMP much?).

But let's explore how Adams was able squeeze his racist views into information released by US Sentencing Commission, et al.

Alan Gomez, USA TODAY July 16, 2015: Voices: How violent are undocumented immigrants?

<snip>

Trump, the billionaire Republican presidential hopeful, has used that killing as proof that he has been right all along about undocumented immigrants, that they bring with them a level of criminality far higher than native-born Americans. Immigration advocates have fought back, arguing that this was an isolated instance far from representative of the entire population of 11 million undocumented immigrants.

So who's right? Let's look at their numbers.

Supporters of the Trump theory have been pointing to data from the U.S. Sentencing Commission that found undocumented immigrants account for disturbingly high levels of violent crime. While they represent just 3.5% of the U.S. population, undocumented immigrants represented 7% of federal prison sentences following convictions on charges of sexual abuse, 9% of murders, 12% of assaults and 30% of kidnappings in 2013.


Case closed, right? Far from it.


Only a tiny percentage of the nation’s violent crimes are handled by the federal court system. Yes, undocumented immigrants accounted for 9.2% of federal murder convictions in 2013, but that represents a grand total of eight murder cases. When you consider that the FBI estimates there were 14,196 murders in the U.S. in 2013, those few cases handled by the federal court system don’t quite register as a reliable sample set.

The same goes for the other violent crimes cited in those statistics. Add the fact that undocumented immigrants are far more likely to be caught up in the federal court system because of non-violent immigration violations, and the numbers shouldn't mean much.

<snip>

Speaking of crawling...
...note to Republicans: “If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading.” ~ Lao Tzu

.

I'm sorry I don't have time to read your manifestos maybe you should mail it to Fox News.

.

Good on BluesLegend for recognizing s/he's been defeated - surrender accepted.
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