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...and yet your post
is number 21.
Now, my maths isn't great but......
you've been here since 2010...so you're not new to forums and should know how to read the quote function, how is it you can't see who luddly quoted?
http://www.usmessageboard.com/9117272-post22.html
did luddly quote me or truthseeker?
Does it matter?
Did he start the comparisons?
Or was it *dum dum duuuummm* Yurt!!!?
you've been here since 2010...so you're not new to forums and should know how to read the quote function, how is it you can't see who luddly quoted?
http://www.usmessageboard.com/9117272-post22.html
did luddly quote me or truthseeker?
Does it matter?
Did he start the comparisons?
Or was it *dum dum duuuummm* Yurt!!!?
Meanwhile you are playing exceedingly stupid about other comparisons, Especially the claim by a certain poster that ANY unneeded deaths were wrong and so I ask again if as she claims that firearms are unneeded and any accidental deaths due to them are wrong, are swimming pools needed. And where is her outrage at the more numerous deaths by drowning?
Does it matter?
Did he start the comparisons?
Or was it *dum dum duuuummm* Yurt!!!?
Meanwhile you are playing exceedingly stupid about other comparisons, Especially the claim by a certain poster that ANY unneeded deaths were wrong and so I ask again if as she claims that firearms are unneeded and any accidental deaths due to them are wrong, are swimming pools needed. And where is her outrage at the more numerous deaths by drowning?
What does it matter what her feelings about swimming pools are?
The claim by Yurt was that your personal response to guns is a political issue in contradiction to Esmeralda's explicit statement that it isn't.
No swimming pools were mentioned.
No mention of gun control which surely IS a political issue.
How you act on your attitude to guns may be political but your feelings about them are personal.
When do the Thought Police arrive?
As an aside, what other comparisons have I been playing with?
Bottom line is pretty simple -
Protect children.
Guns safes, trigger guards, pool fences, safety belts, drive sober ...
Just the normal things that responsible adults do.
Bottom line is pretty simple -
Protect children.
Guns safes, trigger guards, pool fences, safety belts, drive sober ...
Just the normal things that responsible adults do.
bottom line, you can't debate the actual issues revolving around guns.
and you can do is keep harping about safety and posting anti gun nutter threads. you never actually debate the issues. you just run away, lie about what people say and make all sorts of other false claims.
Bottom line is pretty simple -
Protect children.
Guns safes, trigger guards, pool fences, safety belts, drive sober ...
Just the normal things that responsible adults do.
bottom line, you can't debate the actual issues revolving around guns.
and you can do is keep harping about safety and posting anti gun nutter threads. you never actually debate the issues. you just run away, lie about what people say and make all sorts of other false claims.
I believe safety is an important gun issue and that IS the subject of the thread. Not cars, pools, knives or any of the rest of the crap some of you regurgitate.
The posts are there, proving that I quoted and responded to the regurg about cars.
Keep chasing your tail but those are the facts of it.
Yet another horrendous tragedy that could have easily been avoided if the ADULT had secured the gun. The grand parents often baby sat but the grand mother didn't even know where the gun was when the child was there.
I cannot imagine living with myself if my own stupidity had killed my grand child.
idb is either a liar or very dumb person. let me clarify again:
whether you like guns or not is not a political issue. when you want to change laws concerning guns, then it of course becomes political. esmeralda wants laws changed. thus, the issue is political.
if she simply didn't like guns and didn't care whether any laws were changed, her views would not be political.
You repliedNot liking guns is not a political agenda, btw. It is what one believes in. Has nothing to do with poltics. So, saying that being concerned with gun deaths is only about politics is very much another logical fallacy.
No talk of gun control.of course it is political, the constitution is involved. you don't know what a logical fallacy is.
idb is either a liar or very dumb person. let me clarify again:
whether you like guns or not is not a political issue. when you want to change laws concerning guns, then it of course becomes political. esmeralda wants laws changed. thus, the issue is political.
if she simply didn't like guns and didn't care whether any laws were changed, her views would not be political.
Well, now you're hurting my feelings.
My honesty has been impugned.
Esmeralda said
You repliedNot liking guns is not a political agenda, btw. It is what one believes in. Has nothing to do with poltics. So, saying that being concerned with gun deaths is only about politics is very much another logical fallacy.
No talk of gun control.of course it is political, the constitution is involved. you don't know what a logical fallacy is.
She might advocate gun control - I don't know - but you replied to her specific statement.
According to you, she's not allowed to have private feelings about guns without them being political.
I can see job opportunities opening up for the ex-Political Officers from the old Soviet Union in your world.
bottom line, you can't debate the actual issues revolving around guns.
and you can do is keep harping about safety and posting anti gun nutter threads. you never actually debate the issues. you just run away, lie about what people say and make all sorts of other false claims.
I believe safety is an important gun issue and that IS the subject of the thread. Not cars, pools, knives or any of the rest of the crap some of you regurgitate.
The posts are there, proving that I quoted and responded to the regurg about cars.
Keep chasing your tail but those are the facts of it.
And I repeat that less then 1000 deaths a year due to accidental firearms discharges out of over 300 million firearms means that the VAST immense number of firearm owners are in FACT safety conscious and do IN FACT properly store their firearms.
Bottom line is pretty simple -
Protect children.
Guns safes, trigger guards, pool fences, safety belts, drive sober ...
Just the normal things that responsible adults do.
bottom line, you can't debate the actual issues revolving around guns.
and you can do is keep harping about safety and posting anti gun nutter threads. you never actually debate the issues. you just run away, lie about what people say and make all sorts of other false claims.
I believe safety is an important gun issue and that IS the subject of the thread. Not cars, pools, knives or any of the rest of the crap some of you regurgitate.
The posts are there, proving that I quoted and responded to the regurg about cars.
Keep chasing your tail but those are the facts of it.
bottom line, you can't debate the actual issues revolving around guns.
and you can do is keep harping about safety and posting anti gun nutter threads. you never actually debate the issues. you just run away, lie about what people say and make all sorts of other false claims.
I believe safety is an important gun issue and that IS the subject of the thread. Not cars, pools, knives or any of the rest of the crap some of you regurgitate.
The posts are there, proving that I quoted and responded to the regurg about cars.
Keep chasing your tail but those are the facts of it.
And I repeat that less then 1000 deaths a year due to accidental firearms discharges out of over 300 million firearms means that the VAST immense number of firearm owners are in FACT safety conscious and do IN FACT properly store their firearms.
Wow, do you need an ACE bandage for the pulled muscle?Police release report, 911 calls in 4-year-old's shooting - WCIV-TV | ABC News 4 - Charleston News, Sports, Weather
Yet another horrendous tragedy that could have easily been avoided if the ADULT had secured the gun. The grand parents often baby sat but the grand mother didn't even know where the gun was when the child was there.A 4-year-old boy was taken to Medical University Hospital Monday evening after he shot himself in the head. Two days later, police released 911 calls and a police report on the shooting.
A police report shows the boy was found unresponsive on the ground outside his grandparents' home. He'd been shot with a Taurus .25-caliber handgun, the report states.
Police said the gun was on the dining room table and the boy was lying on the floor in the dining room when they arrived.
Summerville police say it appears the boy found the weapon and shot himself.
The boy lives in North Charleston and was visiting his grandparents at the time of the shooting, said Capt. Jon Rogers with Summerville Police.
The police report says the boy's grandmother had been putting away groceries when she heard a loud bang.
"I don't know where he got a gun from," she told dispatchers. "This boy is four. His eyes are shut. I don't know if he's alive or what."
I cannot imagine living with myself if my own stupidity had killed my grand child.
We hear this mantra over and over again: responsible gun owner. But it does seem like most gun owners in America cannot be described as such. Every time something like this happens, rather than admitting gun owners are not responsible, they just seem to take the position that these deaths are 'collateral' type damage, with the attitude, so what, no big deal. These 'accidents,' mass shootings, etc., all fall within that category for pro-gun people. They turn a blind eye the constant repetition of tragedy that occurs because of private gun ownership in the US.
idb is either a liar or very dumb person. let me clarify again:
whether you like guns or not is not a political issue. when you want to change laws concerning guns, then it of course becomes political. esmeralda wants laws changed. thus, the issue is political.
if she simply didn't like guns and didn't care whether any laws were changed, her views would not be political.
Well, now you're hurting my feelings.
My honesty has been impugned.
Esmeralda said
You repliedNot liking guns is not a political agenda, btw. It is what one believes in. Has nothing to do with poltics. So, saying that being concerned with gun deaths is only about politics is very much another logical fallacy.
No talk of gun control.of course it is political, the constitution is involved. you don't know what a logical fallacy is.
She might advocate gun control - I don't know - but you replied to her specific statement.
According to you, she's not allowed to have private feelings about guns without them being political.
I can see job opportunities opening up for the ex-Political Officers from the old Soviet Union in your world.
Percentage of firearms used to accidentally kill someone. assuming 300 million firearms.
.00000333 percent of all firearms are used to cause accidental deaths. And since the actual number of deaths is closer to 800 then 1000 the number is actually smaller then that.
Now remind us how that percentage is a problem when compared to the number never used to cause accidental deaths?
Police release report, 911 calls in 4-year-old's shooting - WCIV-TV | ABC News 4 - Charleston News, Sports, Weather
A 4-year-old boy was taken to Medical University Hospital Monday evening after he shot himself in the head. Two days later, police released 911 calls and a police report on the shooting.
A police report shows the boy was found unresponsive on the ground outside his grandparents' home. He'd been shot with a Taurus .25-caliber handgun, the report states.
Police said the gun was on the dining room table and the boy was lying on the floor in the dining room when they arrived.
Summerville police say it appears the boy found the weapon and shot himself.
The boy lives in North Charleston and was visiting his grandparents at the time of the shooting, said Capt. Jon Rogers with Summerville Police.
The police report says the boy's grandmother had been putting away groceries when she heard a loud bang.
"I don't know where he got a gun from," she told dispatchers. "This boy is four. His eyes are shut. I don't know if he's alive or what."
Yet another horrendous tragedy that could have easily been avoided if the ADULT had secured the gun. The grand parents often baby sat but the grand mother didn't even know where the gun was when the child was there.
I cannot imagine living with myself if my own stupidity had killed my grand child.
We hear this mantra over and over again: responsible gun owner. But it does seem like most gun owners in America cannot be described as such. Every time something like this happens, rather than admitting gun owners are not responsible, they just seem to take the position that these deaths are 'collateral' type damage, with the attitude, so what, no big deal. These 'accidents,' mass shootings, etc., all fall within that category for pro-gun people. They turn a blind eye the constant repetition of tragedy that occurs because of private gun ownership in the US.
