Right wingers have no personal responsibility?

[LordBrownTrout]

That has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Even in the context you framed it. If someone is irresponsible with their money, that doesn't automatically lead to an increase in taxes like you're suggesting. It requires a third party, the government, to arbitrarily decide what taxes should be and pass legislation for that. Your taxes may go up or down irregardless of what some financial moron does with their paycheck.

With health, someone goes to a doctor routinely due to issues brought on by their weight, the doctor and insurance companies raise prices to compensate for the extra costs. It's much more direct and preventable than taxes.

Your attempt at deflection is duly noted though.

If the federal govt is irresponsible and unaccountable with their spending....which they are, if affects people who are accountable. I could care less about what someone else is doing with their money or health.

Then people need to stop voting for the lesser of two evils. The feds are only unaccountable because dumb ass americans keep voting the same people back into power. That is completely our own fault.

That's the equivalent of blaming the insurance company for raising my premiums because I decided to start smoking.

I'll not argue that point with you.

 

[DiamondDave]

This is the main argument. As more people use health care services and their insurance to treat preventable problems brought on by obesity, the higher the cost of those services will be.

So even though I eat well and exercise regularly, some fat ass is causing me to pay more for healthcare.

Exactly right. You summed up 50% of America's economic problem right there. Healthcare costs are killing us. Obesity is driving up healthcare costs. "Freedom" to eat whatever we want and as much of it as we want, and a lack of personal responsibility to have that freedom and practice it wisely, have led us to be a nation of disgusting fat fucks.

And thus, we are where we are.

But, that freedom should be protected. We need to educate and inform people more as to the effects of an unhealthy lifestyle, both medically and financially. People need to learn that you can't live off of Doritos, McDonald's, and soda, and not expect your health to plummet and your healthcare costs to skyrocket.

Education before legislation. If anything we need to scale back some legislation due to health concerns. How many products have High Fructose Corn Syrup tossed in, as a sweetener or preservative, thanks to the government subsidizing corn as much as they do? Most americans ingest around 60 lbs of HFCS a year. And many times they don't even realize it's in the foods they're eating. Go try to buy a simple can of diced tomatoes, you would think the ingredient list would just be "Tomatoes". Nope, it has HFCS in it as a preservative.

But it is not the job of government to tell people that an all butter diet will give you a heart attack.. and not the job to 'educate' on what to change on a personal level about someone's personal upkeep

 

[Wacky Quacky]

Exactly right. You summed up 50% of America's economic problem right there. Healthcare costs are killing us. Obesity is driving up healthcare costs. "Freedom" to eat whatever we want and as much of it as we want, and a lack of personal responsibility to have that freedom and practice it wisely, have led us to be a nation of disgusting fat fucks.

And thus, we are where we are.

But, that freedom should be protected. We need to educate and inform people more as to the effects of an unhealthy lifestyle, both medically and financially. People need to learn that you can't live off of Doritos, McDonald's, and soda, and not expect your health to plummet and your healthcare costs to skyrocket.

Education before legislation. If anything we need to scale back some legislation due to health concerns. How many products have High Fructose Corn Syrup tossed in, as a sweetener or preservative, thanks to the government subsidizing corn as much as they do? Most americans ingest around 60 lbs of HFCS a year. And many times they don't even realize it's in the foods they're eating. Go try to buy a simple can of diced tomatoes, you would think the ingredient list would just be "Tomatoes". Nope, it has HFCS in it as a preservative.

But it is not the job of government to tell people that an all butter diet will give you a heart attack.. and not the job to 'educate' on what to change on a personal level about someone's personal upkeep

I have no problem with the government simply informing people, so long as that information is accurate. I know that's where the argument comes in, that the government may lace their information to suit an agenda, but it may at least get the ball rolling on people educating themselves.

But if it's your position that the government should do nothing at all in regards to health and lifestyle, then everyone should just shut up and be content in watching their premiums skyrocket.

 

[yidnar]

Issue Brief: Analysis of Obesity Rates by State - Trust for America's Health

One of the worst factors hurting our economy is the cost of healthcare. One of the biggest contributors to health problems is our obesity epedimic.

Red GOP strongholds have the worst obesity rates, while the bottom of the obesity rate list is mostly all blue: Colorado, Hawaii, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, New York, Connecticut, etc, etc.

Of course, the fattest, most disgustingly obese areas are red. Places like Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Northern Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma.



So, we always hear "personal accountability" from the right. Yet, they cant even seem to be personally accountable for keeping their own body fit enough to not need constant medical attention, and thus, pushing the demand for healthcare and making prices soar? So, right wingers, when you start hitting the treadmill a bit more, maybe your message of personal accountability will come across a bit more clear. So, sure, things like soda, sugar, french fries.....they should not be banned. But YOU should have enough self control and personal responsibility to SAY NO to them, be fit, and STOP pushing up the cost of healthcare by waddling through life with an obese body that requires constant care.

with the exception of Oklahoma all of the states listed have a large African American populace ,and it is a known fact that the majority of blacks are overweight and liberal. Weight Loss & African-americans | LIVESTRONG.COM

 

[chikenwing]

This is the main argument. As more people use health care services and their insurance to treat preventable problems brought on by obesity, the higher the cost of those services will be.

So even though I eat well and exercise regularly, some fat ass is causing me to pay more for healthcare.

It works the other way also. Because govt is one giant leech which has spent way too much, it now has decided that it has to take more of my money to pay for it's reckless appetite for worthless social engineering. Even though I am responsible and accountable with my budget and affairs many govt dumb asses are taking more out of my pocket.

That has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Even in the context you framed it. If someone is irresponsible with their money, that doesn't automatically lead to an increase in taxes like you're suggesting. It requires a third party, the government, to arbitrarily decide what taxes should be and pass legislation for that. Your taxes may go up or down irregardless of what some financial moron does with their paycheck.

With health, someone goes to a doctor routinely due to issues brought on by their weight, the doctor and insurance companies raise prices to compensate for the extra costs. It's much more direct and preventable than taxes.

Your attempt at deflection is duly noted though.

Yours is a real failure also,you assume the fat guy sn't paying his bills.

 

[chikenwing]

These progressive's hate everyone it seems,now its fat people in their squinty beady little cross hairs.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

These progressive's hate everyone it seems,now its fat people in their squinty beady little cross hairs.

Yeah, there's no fat statists....

 

[DiamondDave]

But, that freedom should be protected. We need to educate and inform people more as to the effects of an unhealthy lifestyle, both medically and financially. People need to learn that you can't live off of Doritos, McDonald's, and soda, and not expect your health to plummet and your healthcare costs to skyrocket.

Education before legislation. If anything we need to scale back some legislation due to health concerns. How many products have High Fructose Corn Syrup tossed in, as a sweetener or preservative, thanks to the government subsidizing corn as much as they do? Most americans ingest around 60 lbs of HFCS a year. And many times they don't even realize it's in the foods they're eating. Go try to buy a simple can of diced tomatoes, you would think the ingredient list would just be "Tomatoes". Nope, it has HFCS in it as a preservative.

But it is not the job of government to tell people that an all butter diet will give you a heart attack.. and not the job to 'educate' on what to change on a personal level about someone's personal upkeep

I have no problem with the government simply informing people, so long as that information is accurate. I know that's where the argument comes in, that the government may lace their information to suit an agenda, but it may at least get the ball rolling on people educating themselves.

But if it's your position that the government should do nothing at all in regards to health and lifestyle, then everyone should just shut up and be content in watching their premiums skyrocket.

Exactly.. everyone should shut up.. stop insisting they get health insurance or health care for free.. live with the consequences of their actions.. save or spend for their own care or insurance.. and be allowed to openly negotiate with all companies, and have whatever groups they are associated with (HOA, Moose Club, bowling league, or whatever) also be able to negotiate for the best price they can get

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Gotta love the left, give drug users free needles, free methadone, free abortions, etc.... but let's attack people who eat too much as the irresponsible ones.

What hypocrites.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Issue Brief: Analysis of Obesity Rates by State - Trust for America's Health

One of the worst factors hurting our economy is the cost of healthcare. One of the biggest contributors to health problems is our obesity epedimic.

Red GOP strongholds have the worst obesity rates, while the bottom of the obesity rate list is mostly all blue: Colorado, Hawaii, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, New York, Connecticut, etc, etc.

Of course, the fattest, most disgustingly obese areas are red. Places like Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Northern Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma.



So, we always hear "personal accountability" from the right. Yet, they cant even seem to be personally accountable for keeping their own body fit enough to not need constant medical attention, and thus, pushing the demand for healthcare and making prices soar? So, right wingers, when you start hitting the treadmill a bit more, maybe your message of personal accountability will come across a bit more clear. So, sure, things like soda, sugar, french fries.....they should not be banned. But YOU should have enough self control and personal responsibility to SAY NO to them, be fit, and STOP pushing up the cost of healthcare by waddling through life with an obese body that requires constant care.

Nice theory. The fat fucks account for those "Free shit" votes in Red states because most of these slovenly white trash schlubs existing off the public tit.

And I see you have no problem telling people how to live...As long as they adhere to your socialist agenda.

 

[thereisnospoon]

It is no mystery that obesity causes numerous health problems. However, you have no right to dictate what I eat. Furthermore, designating a specific party as obese is completely absurd.

You're exactly right. Which is why I said those foods should NOT be banned.

See, I dont want to dictate what you eat. I want YOU to dictate what YOU eat.

"Personal responsibility", remember? If red state right wingers would get their fat butts in shape, health problems would decrease, demand would decrease, and maybe prices would come down some.

But right wingers refuse to take on that personal accountability. One's body is the ultimate symbol of personal responsibility.

Yes, personal responsibility applies to ALL.
Before you post, think!

 

[Skull Pilot]

Issue Brief: Analysis of Obesity Rates by State - Trust for America's Health

One of the worst factors hurting our economy is the cost of healthcare. One of the biggest contributors to health problems is our obesity epedimic.

Red GOP strongholds have the worst obesity rates, while the bottom of the obesity rate list is mostly all blue: Colorado, Hawaii, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, New York, Connecticut, etc, etc.

Of course, the fattest, most disgustingly obese areas are red. Places like Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Northern Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma.



So, we always hear "personal accountability" from the right. Yet, they cant even seem to be personally accountable for keeping their own body fit enough to not need constant medical attention, and thus, pushing the demand for healthcare and making prices soar? So, right wingers, when you start hitting the treadmill a bit more, maybe your message of personal accountability will come across a bit more clear. So, sure, things like soda, sugar, french fries.....they should not be banned. But YOU should have enough self control and personal responsibility to SAY NO to them, be fit, and STOP pushing up the cost of healthcare by waddling through life with an obese body that requires constant care.

Do you care to give a breakdown of every fat person's political affiliation in these so called GOP strongholds or are you just assuming that 100% of the population in these states belong to the republican party?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Answering these bucs90 threads lately is the Internet equivalent of a Mercy Fuck

 

[blackhawk]

Issue Brief: Analysis of Obesity Rates by State - Trust for America's Health

One of the worst factors hurting our economy is the cost of healthcare. One of the biggest contributors to health problems is our obesity epedimic.

Red GOP strongholds have the worst obesity rates, while the bottom of the obesity rate list is mostly all blue: Colorado, Hawaii, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, New York, Connecticut, etc, etc.

Of course, the fattest, most disgustingly obese areas are red. Places like Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Northern Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma.



So, we always hear "personal accountability" from the right. Yet, they cant even seem to be personally accountable for keeping their own body fit enough to not need constant medical attention, and thus, pushing the demand for healthcare and making prices soar? So, right wingers, when you start hitting the treadmill a bit more, maybe your message of personal accountability will come across a bit more clear. So, sure, things like soda, sugar, french fries.....they should not be banned. But YOU should have enough self control and personal responsibility to SAY NO to them, be fit, and STOP pushing up the cost of healthcare by waddling through life with an obese body that requires constant care.

I'm 5 foot 9 weigh 180 and go to the gym three to four times a week as for your blue and red state bullshit of course the blue states are skinny they get taxed so much they barely have enough money left over to afford food.

 

[Wacky Quacky]

But it is not the job of government to tell people that an all butter diet will give you a heart attack.. and not the job to 'educate' on what to change on a personal level about someone's personal upkeep

I have no problem with the government simply informing people, so long as that information is accurate. I know that's where the argument comes in, that the government may lace their information to suit an agenda, but it may at least get the ball rolling on people educating themselves.

But if it's your position that the government should do nothing at all in regards to health and lifestyle, then everyone should just shut up and be content in watching their premiums skyrocket.

Exactly.. everyone should shut up.. stop insisting they get health insurance or health care for free.. live with the consequences of their actions.. save or spend for their own care or insurance.. and be allowed to openly negotiate with all companies, and have whatever groups they are associated with (HOA, Moose Club, bowling league, or whatever) also be able to negotiate for the best price they can get

Never once did I say "for free". You're putting words in my mouth.

It's supply and demand. With more or less use of a service the cost will rise or fall. Obese people use more health care services, due to all of the complications that come with being obese, and therefore cause the cost to go up. And not just for themselves, but for everyone.

 

[yidnar]

Issue Brief: Analysis of Obesity Rates by State - Trust for America's Health

One of the worst factors hurting our economy is the cost of healthcare. One of the biggest contributors to health problems is our obesity epedimic.

Red GOP strongholds have the worst obesity rates, while the bottom of the obesity rate list is mostly all blue: Colorado, Hawaii, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, New York, Connecticut, etc, etc.

Of course, the fattest, most disgustingly obese areas are red. Places like Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Northern Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma.



So, we always hear "personal accountability" from the right. Yet, they cant even seem to be personally accountable for keeping their own body fit enough to not need constant medical attention, and thus, pushing the demand for healthcare and making prices soar? So, right wingers, when you start hitting the treadmill a bit more, maybe your message of personal accountability will come across a bit more clear. So, sure, things like soda, sugar, french fries.....they should not be banned. But YOU should have enough self control and personal responsibility to SAY NO to them, be fit, and STOP pushing up the cost of healthcare by waddling through life with an obese body that requires constant care.

with the exception of Oklahoma all of the states listed have a large African American populace ,and it is a known fact that the majority of blacks are overweight and liberal. Weight Loss & African-americans | LIVESTRONG.COM

the ops thread has been proven false.