Rightwingers really need to stop comparing the summer riots to the Jan 6th insurrection and here is why

[NotfooledbyW]

SassyIrishLass wrote: What insurrection 22JAN06-POST#006

NFBW wrote: The Traditional White American Seditious Insurrection on Jan6 led by the traditional American Oath Keeper’s white founder named Elmer.

“This election was stolen and this is a communist/Deep State coup, every bit as corrupt and illegitimate as what is done in third world banana republics. We must refuse to EVER recognize this as a legitimate election, and refuse to recognize Biden as a legitimate winner, and refuse to ever recognize him as the President of the United States. This election was stolen by corrupt, law-breaking Democrat partisans on the ground, and by the manipulation of the CIA created HAMMR (“Hammer”) and Scorecard programs.” – ELMER Stewart Rhodes, “Call to Action! March on DC, Stop the Steal, Defend the President, & Defeat the Deep State,” https://archive.is/ZRvMC#selection-1213.0-1213.515, Nov. 10, 2020​

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On Jan. 13, federal prosecutors unveiled their most ambitious charge to date in the ongoing investigations into the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection: seditious conspiracy. The subjects of this charge are Stewart Rhodes and 10 alleged members of his far-right anti-government organization the Oath Keepers. Captured on video marching up the U.S. Capitol steps in “stack” formation, Rhodes’ organization behttps://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/oath-keepers-leader-indictment-just-tip-scary-iceberg-ncna1287555came arguably the most visible face of the violent siege.​

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Now its members are accused by the U.S. government of conspiring to “oppose the lawful transfer of presidential power by force.”​

NFBW wrote: That insurrection SassyIrishLass . Any more questions????? 22JAN18-POST#861

Can we call it Elmer’s insurrection?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

SassyIrishLass wrote: What insurrection 22JAN06-POST#006

NFBW wrote: The Traditional White American Seditious Insurrection on Jan6 led by the traditional American Oath Keeper’s white founder named Elmer.

“This election was stolen and this is a communist/Deep State coup, every bit as corrupt and illegitimate as what is done in third world banana republics. We must refuse to EVER recognize this as a legitimate election, and refuse to recognize Biden as a legitimate winner, and refuse to ever recognize him as the President of the United States. This election was stolen by corrupt, law-breaking Democrat partisans on the ground, and by the manipulation of the CIA created HAMMR (“Hammer”) and Scorecard programs.” – ELMER Stewart Rhodes, “Call to Action! March on DC, Stop the Steal, Defend the President, & Defeat the Deep State,” https://archive.is/ZRvMC#selection-1213.0-1213.515, Nov. 10, 2020​

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On Jan. 13, federal prosecutors unveiled their most ambitious charge to date in the ongoing investigations into the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection: seditious conspiracy. The subjects of this charge are Stewart Rhodes and 10 alleged members of his far-right anti-government organization the Oath Keepers. Captured on video marching up the U.S. Capitol steps in “stack” formation, Rhodes’ organization behttps://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/oath-keepers-leader-indictment-just-tip-scary-iceberg-ncna1287555came arguably the most visible face of the violent siege.​

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Now its members are accused by the U.S. government of conspiring to “oppose the lawful transfer of presidential power by force.”​

NFBW wrote: That insurrection SassyIrishLass . Any more questions????? 22JAN18-POST#861

Stop paging me, Foo. I'm not interested in your nonsense

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Stop paging me, Foo. I'm not interested in your nonsense

You asked a question - I answered it. I’m not paging you - I’m Quoting you. Don’t respond - That’s great -You have never had anything honest or intelligent to say anyway.

 

[Correll]

NFBW wrote: YOUR Whataboutism defense of traditional Americans gone insane for DJT has been dead in the water before you made it Correll 22JAN17-POST#847

(1) 21OCT01-boogaloo “”” Ivan Harrison Hunter, 24, a member of an extremist group that seeks to spark a civil war, pleaded guilty to a single count of rioting this Thursday, Minnesota Public Radio reports.

Prosecutors contend that Hunter travelled from Texas to Minneapolis to sow chaos after George Floyd was killed by police.

'Boogaloo Boi' who impersonated Black Lives Matter supporter and shot up police station pleads guilty

"Prosecutors say Hunter came to Minneapolis in the days following Floyd's murder after corresponding on Facebook with Michael Solomon of New Brighton, Minn., and Benjamin Teeter of Hampstead, N.C. The men had been part of the 'Boogaloo Bois,' a group that exploits tensions to further violence," MPR reports. "According to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the group presents itself as libertarian and race-blind and calls for armed insurrection against what they see as government tyranny. But the [Southern Poverty Law Center] says the Boogaloo Bois' origins are violently racist. The group emerged online early in the last decade, and 'boogaloo' was associated with a call for a race war. The term is often used by white nationalists and those seeking to generate chaos."

Hunter admitted that he fired 13 rounds from an assault rifle into the 3rd precinct police station on May 28, 2020, as other rioters looted and set fire to the building after police evacuated. No one was hurt by the gunfire.

As the Daily Beast notes, Hunter posed as a supporter of the Black Lives Matter movement and was caught on security footage yelling, "Justice for Floyd!" after opening fire on the building.

If convicted, Hunter faces a maximum prison term of five years. 21OCT01-boogaloo



(2) The lawsuit claims posts cited in the filing led 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse, who is named as a defendant in the suit, to show up armed in Kenosha.

Lawsuit claims Boogaloo Facebook page promoted misinformation that may have led to Kenosha protest deaths

The filing says Rittenhouse, "under the tactical supervision" of defendant Ryan Balch, an "avowed member of the Boogaloo Bois," then "shot and killed two protestors with his assault rifle." 21OCT05-BBOIS-RBalch Kenosha Rittenhouse agents provocateurs


(3) a member of the Hells Angels linked to the Aryan Cowboys, a white supremacist prison and street gang — was seen smashing store windows (Forbes, 30 May 2020; KSTP, 28 July 2020). It was one of the first reports of destructive activity that day, and it “created an atmosphere of hostility and tension” that helped spark an outbreak of looting following initially peaceful protests, according to police investigators, who believe the man “wanted to sow discord and racial unrest” (New York Times, 28 July 2020). In another example on 29 May in Detroit, a number of non-residents reportedly traveled to the city to engage in violent behavior during a demonstration, leading to multiple arrests (MLive, 2 June 2020). 22JAN17-POST#847

You seem to be implying that the violence of the lefty leaning riots, that I have pointed to, are primarily if not exclusively the result of right leaning infilitrators.


Is that your point with the above post, and if not, please make your point, immediately without spamming retarded propaganda.

 

[Correll]

Correll wrote: You up for going back to the old rules, for the next presidential election? Since the Pandemic will be over by then? 22JAN17-POST#844

NFBW wrote: Are you up for a ban on gerrymandering. I AM.

90% of trump and biden voters agree: gerrymandering is a major problem

More than 90 percent of voters surveyed want fair voting maps that do not benefit their political party. The poll comes less than two weeks before the U.S. .

You sure are talking a lot to avoid answering the question. And the point.

 

[Correll]

Correll wrote: EVERYTIME you talk shit about how bad Stewart was/is, you are just rehashing the shit we said, when we agreed that 1/6 was a riot. 22JAN17-POST#843

NFBW wrote: Stewart Rhodes Is not a rioter. He was not in DC on JAN6. He allegedly stayed with the QRF’s and stockpile of weapons in a hotel in Va. but chickened out after Trump told the violent mob he loved them but they needed to go home.

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I like how the autistic lefty who has shown a complete inability to understand that other people have different points of view, is now claiming to know what another person was thinking.


Dude. You lose.

 

[Correll]

NFBW wrote: Do you believe Correll the Oath Keepers, under the leadership of Stewart Rhodes and his buddies, after DJT was defeated in November, were conducting themselves in what the 2nd Amendment defines as a well regulated militia? 22JAN17-POST#851

Considering the lack of arms, for one, no.

 

[22lcidw]

So if you had a choice of having your family tied up in the Pearl Harbor like catastrophe in the Capitol Building or your family tied up in one of the city lovefest buildings looted and lit on fire you would take the city deal.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

ThisIsMe wrote: Yeah, but you'll never find any truth, the dems aren't looking for truth. They're looking for whatever Republicans they can nail to the wall. 21SJUL26-POST#595​

“This election was stolen and this is a communist/Deep State coup, every bit as corrupt and illegitimate as what is done in third world banana republics. We must refuse to EVER recognize this as a legitimate election, and refuse to recognize Biden as a legitimate winner, and refuse to ever recognize him as the President of the United States. This election was stolen by corrupt, law-breaking Democrat partisans on the ground, and by the manipulation of the CIA created HAMMR (“Hammer”) and Scorecard programs.” – ELMER Stewart Rhodes, “Call to Action! March on DC, Stop the Steal, Defend the President, & Defeat the Deep State,” https://archive.is/ZRvMC#selection-1213.0-1213.515, Nov. 10, 2020​

NFBW wrote: Just checking to see if you have learned anything about the Jan6 insurrection since July. Save this post or keep in mind that the founder of the Oath Keeper Militia (Elmer) launched his conspiracy to attack the Capitol on Jan6 based on a crazed conspiracy theory that the CIA created HAMMR (“Hammer”) and Scorecard programs.” to change early voter ballots where needed to decide and fix the outcome of the election for Biden, Do you want to learn the truth about Jan6??? 22JAN18-POST#

 

[Billy000]

You either can't accept the explanation or are unable to grasp it because you cannot believe that a corrupt government would lie to you in a heartbeat.

And yet you won’t even try. Just try. Explain to me how I am wrong.

 

[Correll]

NFBW wrote: Correll is an expert witness on traditional Americanism, and traditional Americans like S.Rhodes are a big part of current news in the continuing saga of DJT’s BIG LIE, and because I assume whitehall is a traditional American who has written two opposing scenarios regarding Jan6 within the same post, I am hoping Correll can tell if anything whitehall wrote last Sunday might be true.

Is A.Babbitt. . . . .

(1) a traditional American leader of unarmed mom and pop traditional criminal trespassers who was shot dead by federal cops per whitehall 22JAN16?

. . . or

(2) a follower of left wing dirty tricksters (false flaggers - agents provocateurs) who led the group of unarmed mom and pop traditional American protesters ti become criminal trespassers when she was shot dead by federal cops per whitehall 22JAN16?

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“In the final months of her life, Babbitt’s posts took on a biblical fervor, casting Trump’s supporters as warriors in an epic battle of good versus evil.​

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5928249/ashli-babbitt-capitol-extremism/?amp=true​

Her last tweet, sent after she arrived in Washington on Jan. 5, read: “Nothing will stop us….they can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours….dark to light!” The reference to the “storm” is a key tenet of the QAnon conspiracy, the day adherents believe a violent reckoning will expose the deep state and bring Trump’s enemies to justice. “Jan6-TIME-BabbitMartyr 21DEC15-POST#0786​

Correll wrote: Their intent was to stop the certification of a fraudulent vote. 21JUL27-POST#51

NFBW wrote: In response to that Correll I assume you agree A.Babbitt was in on the same mission with the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers whether she was in on their plot to overthrow the incoming government or not. Her intent was to stop the steal.

Sunday at 12:37 PM#3 whitehall wrote: We saw a bunch of unarmed mom and pop demonstrators and an unarmed woman shot dead by federal cops and a year later the left tells us how the demonstration was "supposed" to go down? It was supposed to go down peacefully until left wing dirty tricksters led the group into criminal trespass. 22JAN16-POST#003



NFBW wrote: Why are traditional Americans like A.Babbitt S.Rhodes and@whitehall so susceptible to DJT’s BIG LIE and in @whitehall’s make up opposing stories about Jan6 and neither one is true? How can we have an intelligent conversation with traditional Americans when they tell lies as easy as they breathe? 22JAN18-POST#853

Do you believe that Trump said that w.s. were very fine people?

 

[Correll]

Correll wrote: Really? Even though the last time, according to you, it resulted in a crisis that was... so close to ending our democracy, you still don't want to return to the same rules as elected Bill Clinton and Obama? 22JAN18-POST#855

NFBW wrote: You are a liar. It was not “according to me” that Trump was defeated only because the election was fixed, or rigged or marred due to widespread and massive propaganda by the media, widespread civil unrest supported by the dems, and widespread and massive relaxations of election procedures. DJT was defeated because all fifty states applied pre-election rules and procedures in accordance with the law to both candidates. People voted and all fifty states counted every single legitimate ballot and then certified the results. Nothing was fixed. Biden got more votes than Trump in Arizona Michigan Pennsylvania Wisconsin Georgia and Nevada based on counting every legal ballot. Those are the states that DJT claims without proof it was fixed against him. - Your stuff Correll the propaganda , the civil unrest, relaxations of election procedures did not “fix” the elections in 44 other states. How can your conspiracy theory be? My opinion is that civil unrest and fallout from the Chauvin riots helped Trump win Florida and Texas. But by no means would I make a loony toons claim that Biden had no chance to win those states because civil unrest made it absolutely impossible that he could win them. 22JAN18-POST#856

None of that addressed anything in my post. I take that as you admitting that you cannot defend your blind support of holding to the new rules.

 

[Correll]

Correll wrote: I know that only one person died on 1/6. But how many do you believe died from it? How many are you wiling to see die for, "better turnout" 22JAN18-POST#855

NFBW wrote: Are you saying....

I asked you a simple question. Your pretense of not understanding is dismissed.


You pretend that 1/6 was a deadly insurrection or some such shit. Yet you are unwilling to take the simple step of returning to the previous, normal, non-covid rules of election, to restore confidence in the voting.


WHy is that?

 

[Correll]

Correll wrote: Imo, yes, the election was tainted enough, by the factors I mentioned, that it does reach the level of "fixed". 22JAN18-POST#854.

NFBW wrote: For the election to be “fixed” it has to be either fixed or it isn’t. There are no “levels” of fixed. That defeats the meaning of the word. And it has to involve the actual counting or not counting of certain ballots one way favoring one candidate to overcome the actual ballots if the fixed outcome is not trending in the “fixed” direction. ....

No, it does not.

 

[mudwhistle]

And yet you won’t even try. Just try. Explain to me how I am wrong.

The problem is people who refuse to be skeptical about a series of frauds that have been perpetrated on us. These frauds are being used to divide us against each other and tear this country apart.
The only brutality that mattered on Jan 6th was the brutality perpetrated on the innocent.
People who were tricked into entering the Capital and then were worked into an angry exchange with a bunch of the strangest and most unqualified cops I've ever seen in any police force. One of them testified during a Jan 6th hearing. A cop with neck tattoos and piercings and a beard. What kind of police force would hire someone like this? The only reason I noticed the neck tattoos was because my TV is 4DK. I got the idea early on when CNN was talking about insurrection....and they got the idea from a story online. But all we saw at CNN was peaceful Americans filing thru a roped off area inside the Capital...before all Hell broke loose.
This isn't something that can be explained away. It's not a simple situation. It is a typical psychological operation that we were taught when I was at 5th SF Group. They used the same tested methods on Jan 6th to bring down other governments in several countries in a similar manner.
The only reason you believe the MSM's propaganda is because you want to believe it. But if they lied about how many people died inside the Capital (there were only two fatalities, not five....and they were both protesters) then the rest of what they claimed is suspect as well. I just can't let this major league fib go. They're lying to us for some reason.

Is the CIA Preparing a False Flag Operation from Colombia?

July 2, 2021 Colombia’s role in the already permanent regime change operation against Venezuela is broad and eloquent. Some recent events in that country may be worthy of attention and analys…

www.resumen-english.org

I can understand a riot.....idiots that acted foolish....but then when they started claiming it was an attempt to overthrow the government.....I began to wonder if it wasn't a total setup.
Then we kept seeing videos of the cops not only doing nothing at first.....but literally ushering people into the Capital.....for what purpose?
Answer: To start a fight.

Manufacturing Consent for War: 70 Years of CIA Coups, Assassinations, False Flag Operations and Mass Murder - CovertAction Magazine

A Review of Vijay Prashad’s book, Washington Bullets: A History of the CIA, Coups, and Assassinations, with foreword by Evo Morales (New York: Monthly Review Press, 2020). During his confirmation hearing in February, the CIA’s latest director William J. Burns continued a long Agency tradition of...

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[jc456]

Yeah, like holding two blocks in Seattle was a threat to the Republic. Thanks for the belly laugh.

Like unarmed people trying to take selfies in the capital

 

[Billy000]

The problem is people who refuse to be skeptical about a series of frauds that have been perpetrated on us. These frauds are being used to divide us against each other and tear this country apart.
The only brutality that mattered on Jan 6th was the brutality perpetrated on the innocent.
People who were tricked into entering the Capital and then were worked into an angry exchange with a bunch of the strangest and most unqualified cops I've ever seen in any police force. One of them testified during a Jan 6th hearing. A cop with neck tattoos and piercings and a beard. What kind of police force would hire someone like this? The only reason I noticed the neck tattoos was because my TV is 4DK. I got the idea early on when CNN was talking about insurrection....and they got the idea from a story online. But all we saw at CNN was peaceful Americans filing thru a roped off area inside the Capital...before all Hell broke loose.
This isn't something that can be explained away. It's not a simple situation. It is a typical psychological operation that we were taught when I was at 5th SF Group. They used the same tested methods on Jan 6th to bring down other governments in several countries in a similar manner.
The only reason you believe the MSM's propaganda is because you want to believe it. But if they lied about how many people died inside the Capital (there were only two fatalities, not five....and they were both protesters) then the rest of what they claimed is suspect as well. I just can't let this major league fib go. They're lying to us for some reason.

Is the CIA Preparing a False Flag Operation from Colombia?

July 2, 2021 Colombia’s role in the already permanent regime change operation against Venezuela is broad and eloquent. Some recent events in that country may be worthy of attention and analys…

www.resumen-english.org

I can understand a riot.....idiots that acted foolish....but then when they started claiming it was an attempt to overthrow the government.....I began to wonder if it wasn't a total setup.
Then we kept seeing videos of the cops not only doing nothing at first.....but literally ushering people into the Capital.....for what purpose?
Answer: To start a fight.

Manufacturing Consent for War: 70 Years of CIA Coups, Assassinations, False Flag Operations and Mass Murder - CovertAction Magazine

A Review of Vijay Prashad’s book, Washington Bullets: A History of the CIA, Coups, and Assassinations, with foreword by Evo Morales (New York: Monthly Review Press, 2020). During his confirmation hearing in February, the CIA’s latest director William J. Burns continued a long Agency tradition of...

covertactionmagazine.com

Lol none of this address the actual premise of my thread which is that the summer riots were done by people upset a single issue. Most of those that died were the black people themselves. January 6th was very much about Trump and was committed by republicans seeking to keep him in power.

I’m not going to read your non sense conspiracy theory sources. It’s absolutely ridiculous you would doubt the actual death toll and who specifically had died. Also, they were tricked into going into the building? It’s so nauseating when you republicans talk about “personal responsibility”. You clearly aren’t talking about yourselves.

 

[jc456]

Lol none of this address the actual premise of my thread which is that the summer riots were done by people upset a single issue. Most of those that died were the black people themselves. January 6th was very much about Trump and was committed by republicans seeking to keep him in power.

I’m not going to read your non sense conspiracy theory sources. It’s absolutely ridiculous you would doubt the actual death toll and who specifically had died. Also, they were tricked into going into the building? It’s so nauseating when you republicans talk about “personal responsibility”. You clearly aren’t talking about yourselves.

Again no different, one issue

 

[Billy000]

Again no different, one issue

All of that was culmination of Republican and Trump politics. All of them were Trump supporters as well. You definitely can’t say those involved in the summer riots were all democrats.

 

[jc456]

All of that was culmination of Republican and Trump politics. All of them were Trump supporters as well. You definitely can’t say those involved in the summer riots were all democrats.

Or not