Roe is just the latest example of all-or-nothing politics

[JoeB131]

Here's the underlying problem. This is an all or nothing issue because there really ISN'T a middle ground.

If you think a fetus is a person, then having an abortion at any stage is wrong. Taking a morning after pill is murder. throwing out unused frozen embryos is murder.

If you don't think it is, then intervening at any point in the pregnancy to block an abortion is a violation of the woman's rights.

 

[JoeB131]

In many states if you kill a pregnant woman and the baby dies, you are charged with 2 murders genius.

And those laws are beyond stupid. How can you murder someone who was never born and didn't have a birth certificate?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Reversing Roe is not an all or nothing proposition, Abortion is never going to be completely outlawed in the US.

Just in most of the US. How comforting.

 

[j-mac]

Except the laws being proposed have no rape of incest provisions... Or limited ones.




the court took this up 50 years ago, and sensibly ruled these decisions are best made by a woman and her doctor.

The problem is they will still make those decisions... they just won't tell you about it.

Well, you have two choices at that point, 1. Lobby your state officials to have those provisions, or 2. Pass an amendment, making abortion a right. Because right now it isn’t, and has never been a right.

 

[j-mac]

And those laws are beyond stupid. How can you murder someone who was never born and didn't have a birth certificate?

Because it’s a human life mr. science….

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well, you have two choices at that point, 1. Lobby your state officials to have those provisions, or 2. Pass an amendment, making abortion a right. Because right now it isn’t, and has never been a right.

Abortion up to 24 weeks is and continues to be a constitutionally protected right, unless and until roe v wade is overturned. That's how it works in our country. Pretty basic stuff, my man.

 

[j-mac]

Just in most of the US. How comforting.

Not even most…

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Not even most…

Hmm, yes, most states. They will definitely try.

 

[j-mac]

Abortion up to 24 weeks is and continues to be a constitutionally protected right, unless and until roe v wade is overturned. That's how it works in our country. Pretty basic stuff, my man.

Nope….the SCOTUS can’t create rights.

 

[j-mac]

Hmm, yes, most states. They will definitely try.

Well, you have the panic down.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Nope….the SCOTUS can’t create rights.

Oops, sorry, looks like you need to brush up on your civics. It is, indeed, a constitutionally protected, unenumerated right. Get as mad as you like. It is what it is.

 

[j-mac]

Oops, sorry, looks like you need to brush up on your civics. It is, indeed, a constitutionally protected, unenumerated right. Get as mad as you like. It is what it is.

No such thing….And I’m not mad, this is way too easy.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No such thing….And I’m not mad, this is way too easy.

Sorry, reality doesn't give a shit what you believe.

 

[j-mac]

Sorry, reality doesn't give a shit what you believe.

Nor you, shithead…

 

[JoeB131]

Well, you have two choices at that point, 1. Lobby your state officials to have those provisions, or 2. Pass an amendment, making abortion a right. Because right now it isn’t, and has never been a right.

Actually, it has been a right for the last 50 years... now it will a victimless crime no one will prosecute...

Because it’s a human life mr. science….

Then you should arrest women for not only abortions, but for miscarriages.

 

[kyzr]

Here's the underlying problem. This is an all or nothing issue because there really ISN'T a middle ground.
If you think a fetus is a person, then having an abortion at any stage is wrong. Taking a morning after pill is murder. throwing out unused frozen embryos is murder.
If you don't think it is, then intervening at any point in the pregnancy to block an abortion is a violation of the woman's rights.

Yep. Abortion is a binary choice, terminate or don't terminate. There isn't a lot of wiggle room in those choices.
Ireland seems to have proven that a ban on all abortion is not workable.
So if we say that abortions are legal up to 15-weeks (almost 4-months) then after that its illegal, that seems a workable compromise. After 16 weeks we get into the Gosnell "chamber of horrors" of aborting real, viable, babies.

don't even think about it...

 

[JoeB131]

Yep. Abortion is a binary choice, terminate or don't terminate. There isn't a lot of wiggle room in those choices.
Ireland seems to have proven that a ban on all abortion is not workable.
So if we say that abortions are legal up to 15-weeks (almost 4-months) then after that its illegal, that seems a workable compromise. After 16 weeks we get into the Gosnell "chamber of horrors" of aborting real, viable, babies.

don't even think about it...

Hey, if you are going to make an argument against abortion, don't use a picture of an ugly baby! (What happened to the nitwit who used to use that as an AVI?)

Gosnell was the result of TRYING to regulate the fringes. PA had one of the more restrictive abortion laws, and the women who went to Gosnell went to Planned Parenthood and legitimate providers first, and were told they couldn't get legal abortions under PA law.

The problem with Gosnell is not just that he performed illegal abortions, it was that he performed otherwise legal ones with dirty instruments and bad procedures. He was also dealing drugs out of his clinic. The problem was his patients were poor people, paying a pittance because they didn't have insurance or coverage, and they got exactly what they paid for.

And after all that... they had little to show for it. The original 100 fetuses he was charged with was whittled down to 7, then down to 4 before it went to a jury, and they only found him guilty of 3. Then they had to cut a sentencing deal with him before he appealed his case to someone who could actually read a law book.

 

[JWBooth]

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Just in most of the US. How comforting.

Still pulling things out of your ass with no foundation again I see.

At least you're consistent.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Gosnell was the result of TRYING to regulate the fringes. PA had one of the more restrictive abortion laws, and the women who went to Gosnell went to Planned Parenthood and legitimate providers first, and were told they couldn't get legal abortions under PA law.

Gosnell was even incarnate and a fucking serial killer.

PA's laws were not very restrictive at all but they did include a ban on late term abortion.