Romney Considering Another Run

[JoeB131]

Not much of a welcoming party for Mitt Romney even suggesting another run. I doubt he'll run, but if he does, I could see him and Jeb and Christie splitting the same base of voters while someone like Rand Paul gets everyone else and squeaks out a win.

Seems that many Republicans are turned off by the Bush name, but just as many are turned off by Romney's. It feels like the Republican nominee is going to be someone other than those two.

I don't agree.

Christie is damaged goods. He also doesn't play as well in person as he does on paper. He's abrasive and fair or not, we have a bias against fat people in this country.

Romney is old news. Republicans never trusted his sincerity. This time he's going to run to the right of Bush? The guy who signed gun control laws and socailized medicine is going to run to the right of the guy who went to the mat to keep Terry Schiavo's Corpse alive?

Now, you are right, if Republicans had a brain in their collective heads, they'd run away from another Bush like a scalded cat. But by all rights, the Republican Party should have vanished after fucking up the country after 2008, but it didn't.

 

[JoeB131]

When Hillary Clinton was at the Rose Law Firm, she defended some of the worst, most disgusting thieves in the S&L Crisis.

Someone I know well was a bank examiner at the time, and led the closing of several S&Ls in the South. He's a Democrat through and through, and won't vote for Hillary Clinton.

Vince Foster wasn't murdered, but he did know things about what they did at the Rose Law Firm that led to him killing himself.

We'll see how much comes out.

Guy, Ken Starr spent 70 million dollars investigating Whitewater and Rose Law and Vince Foster and all he came up with was that Clinton lied about a blow job.

Besides, given that the GOP, and especially the Bush family, was knee deep in the S&L Crisis, I don't think they are going to want to bring that up.

 

[candycorn]

Not much of a welcoming party for Mitt Romney even suggesting another run. I doubt he'll run, but if he does, I could see him and Jeb and Christie splitting the same base of voters while someone like Rand Paul gets everyone else and squeaks out a win.

Seems that many Republicans are turned off by the Bush name, but just as many are turned off by Romney's. It feels like the Republican nominee is going to be someone other than those two.

I don't agree.

Christie is damaged goods. He also doesn't play as well in person as he does on paper. He's abrasive and fair or not, we have a bias against fat people in this country.

Romney is old news. Republicans never trusted his sincerity. This time he's going to run to the right of Bush? The guy who signed gun control laws and socailized medicine is going to run to the right of the guy who went to the mat to keep Terry Schiavo's Corpse alive?

Now, you are right, if Republicans had a brain in their collective heads, they'd run away from another Bush like a scalded cat. But by all rights, the Republican Party should have vanished after fucking up the country after 2008, but it didn't.

Good Analysis.

However, I'm of the belief (I have nothing to really go on--just my beliefs and experiences) that 2008 is going to make Hillary a better candidate in 2016. She won't allow her team to pull the same crap it did back then and she won't make the same gaffes she made. By the end of the 2008 campaign, she was really hitting her stride as a campaigner.

I think having Jeb in the field is going to make the entire GOP slate of candidates act differently than it would both in terms of positioning on issues and as well as on the stump. WWJD may mean "What Would Jeb Do" in 2016. Not because he's better at this than others but because he's perceived as a heavyweight; someone who has held office, left office, is coming back with a "mission" to embetter the nation (he's only perceived this way by his more ardent supporters granted). During one of the filibuster stunts last year or the year before--I think it was Cruz's dust-up--Rubio had the floor and he started quoting rappers and movie stars. Now this man could say anything he wanted and still would have held the floor. On the stump in 2016 if Rubio runs, there will be a little voice in the back of his head saying "Would Jeb had said that?" If you have gravitas like Romney does in whatever capacity he still holds it like Christie does with the long-dormant NE republican wing, you can hear the voice and ignore it since your base isn't going to abandon you for a few mis-statements or juvenile sounding observations. If you're Rubio without an established base...you can't be that cavalier.

I can't wait for 2016

 

[Kondor3]

Billary's peeps must be licking their chops over the prospect of Mittens running again... a sure-fire way for the Pubs to lose in 2016.

 

[JoeB131]

I can't wait for 2016

I can. Frankly, I'm not enthusiastic about anyone on either side.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Not much of a welcoming party for Mitt Romney even suggesting another run. I doubt he'll run, but if he does, I could see him and Jeb and Christie splitting the same base of voters while someone like Rand Paul gets everyone else and squeaks out a win.

Seems that many Republicans are turned off by the Bush name, but just as many are turned off by Romney's. It feels like the Republican nominee is going to be someone other than those two.

I don't agree.

Christie is damaged goods. He also doesn't play as well in person as he does on paper. He's abrasive and fair or not, we have a bias against fat people in this country.

Romney is old news. Republicans never trusted his sincerity. This time he's going to run to the right of Bush? The guy who signed gun control laws and socailized medicine is going to run to the right of the guy who went to the mat to keep Terry Schiavo's Corpse alive?

Now, you are right, if Republicans had a brain in their collective heads, they'd run away from another Bush like a scalded cat. But by all rights, the Republican Party should have vanished after fucking up the country after 2008, but it didn't.

Good Analysis.

However, I'm of the belief (I have nothing to really go on--just my beliefs and experiences) that 2008 is going to make Hillary a better candidate in 2016. She won't allow her team to pull the same crap it did back then and she won't make the same gaffes she made. By the end of the 2008 campaign, she was really hitting her stride as a campaigner.

I think having Jeb in the field is going to make the entire GOP slate of candidates act differently than it would both in terms of positioning on issues and as well as on the stump. WWJD may mean "What Would Jeb Do" in 2016. Not because he's better at this than others but because he's perceived as a heavyweight; someone who has held office, left office, is coming back with a "mission" to embetter the nation (he's only perceived this way by his more ardent supporters granted). During one of the filibuster stunts last year or the year before--I think it was Cruz's dust-up--Rubio had the floor and he started quoting rappers and movie stars. Now this man could say anything he wanted and still would have held the floor. On the stump in 2016 if Rubio runs, there will be a little voice in the back of his head saying "Would Jeb had said that?" If you have gravitas like Romney does in whatever capacity he still holds it like Christie does with the long-dormant NE republican wing, you can hear the voice and ignore it since your base isn't going to abandon you for a few mis-statements or juvenile sounding observations. If you're Rubio without an established base...you can't be that cavalier.

I can't wait for 2016

Yes, she will be a better candidate in 2016. Ronald Reagan himself said quite openly that his nomination loss in 1976 made him a better, more focused candidate in 1980.

I still contend that the extremely close 2008 primary race did Democrats a world of good: it generated MASSIVE interest for both candidates, it oiled the money machine quite well, and above all else, it caused record voter registration.

People on the Right who are poking fun at Hillary without realizing what kind of gravitas she brings to a candidacy do so at their own peril. There is a reason why Hillary is mopping up the floor with all GOP comers in over 250 polls, well over 800+ individual match-ups, the vast majority of which she has clearly won.

And what is going on in the GOP right now is totally normal for the party out of power before the next open presidential cycle. I expect that their field will be crowded for a good while and in the meantime, on the DEM side, talk of Warren will subside, one or two may take on Hillary as token candidates, and when she has won the first 4 primaries with over +50 margins, exactly as DEM nomination polling is saying, then they will likely drop out. The DEMS have already picked her. For all intents and purposes, they are drafting her.

 

[JoeB131]

Billary's peeps must be licking their chops over the prospect of Mittens running again... a sure-fire way for the Pubs to lose in 2016.

Yeah, some of them were saying that yesterday. That they'd have an easier time with Mitt than Jeb.

"Don't throw me into the Brier Patch, B'rer Fox!"

Actually, the best candidate from Hillary's point of view is Jeb. Hillary is going to have to defend Obama's record against any other Republican. It's really not fair, Obama inherited the worst disaster since the Great Depression and he fixed it a lot faster than FDR did. But there it is.

But Jeb makes this a "Bush vs. Clinton" argument, and the Republicans can't win that argument.

 

[occupied]

I can't wait for 2016

I can. Frankly, I'm not enthusiastic about anyone on either side.

Amen to that, If all we are ever going to get is two flavors of Neo-con then what's the point of voting? Now would be a good time for a real populist to come along, the voters are hungry for someone that actually gives a fuck.

 

[candycorn]

I can't wait for 2016

I can. Frankly, I'm not enthusiastic about anyone on either side.

Just to have an actual fight to judge instead of this off season nonsense.
Do you foresee anyone from outside of Politics getting into it in a serious way?

 

[Statistikhengst]

I can't wait for 2016

I can. Frankly, I'm not enthusiastic about anyone on either side.

Just to have an actual fight to judge instead of this off season nonsense.
Do you foresee anyone from outside of Politics getting into it in a serious way?

Or having the money, the machine and the backing to do it`?

 

[mudwhistle]

I don't think this is a good idea. He was a poor candidate the last time around, and a very weak field was a big reason why he won the nomination.

Romney Tells Donors He s Mulling a Presidential Bid - Bloomberg Politics

I keep hearing this constant refrain about every good GOP candidate. He or she was a poor candidate. Why aren't they saying the same of Hillary? Frankly, I think they're just trying to get rid of her competition.

Hillary was a shitty candidate, because she couldn't even beat a poser who had zero executive experience. Obama turned out to be a total fraud. Mitt has more leadership traits in his pinky finger than Hillary or Obama put together, yet he is supposed to be a poor candidate.

Romney's greatest sin was backing down from using Benghazi against Obama. That is why he's considered a poor candidate. Many felt betrayed when he refused to keep hammering Obama over an obvious weakness, Obamas failure to do his job when it was needed the most.

 

[JoeB131]

I can't wait for 2016

I can. Frankly, I'm not enthusiastic about anyone on either side.

Just to have an actual fight to judge instead of this off season nonsense.
Do you foresee anyone from outside of Politics getting into it in a serious way?

To be honest with you, not really. The GOP likes candidates who have been "Vetted". Someone who we aren't going to find out has a dead hooker buried in his basement.

Bush will probably get the nomination because his family has been "Vetted". Since Most Republicans can't admit to themselves that Dubya was a disaster, they'll probably go along with it.

And Bush would be a pretty good choice, based on his record. He actually has more of a record in Florida than Dubya had in Texas.

But he's a Bush.

For Hillary, I still think her biggest problem is that she isn't likable.

 

[JoeB131]

I keep hearing this constant refrain about every good GOP candidate. He or she was a poor candidate. Why aren't they saying the same of Hillary? Frankly, I think they're just trying to get rid of her competition.

Hillary was a shitty candidate, because she couldn't even beat a poser who had zero executive experience. Obama turned out to be a total fraud. Mitt has more leadership traits in his pinky finger than Hillary or Obama put together, yet he is supposed to be a poor candidate.

What "leadership traits". I'm still trying to figure out which Mitt Romney we are supposed to be looking at here. Is it liberal Massachusetts Mitt of 2002, or "Conservative Mitt" of 2008, or "Etch a Sketch Mitt" of 2012?

Romney's greatest sin was backing down from using Benghazi against Obama. That is why he's considered a poor candidate. Many felt betrayed when he refused to keep hammering Obama over an obvious weakness, Obamas failure to do his job when it was needed the most.

So let me get this straight. 4 dead in Benghazi is a bigger deal than 3000 dead on 9/11 or 4500 dead in Iraq? Seriously?

Okay, I know you are going to have a hard time getting this. The only people who care about "Beeeenghaaazeee" are people who never would have voted for a Democrat to start with. To everyone else, Mitt looked ghoulish trying to make political hay out of these deaths. And trust me making a Mormon look even more creepy takes an effort.

 

[occupied]

I can't wait for 2016

I can. Frankly, I'm not enthusiastic about anyone on either side.

Just to have an actual fight to judge instead of this off season nonsense.
Do you foresee anyone from outside of Politics getting into it in a serious way?

To be honest with you, not really. The GOP likes candidates who have been "Vetted". Someone who we aren't going to find out has a dead hooker buried in his basement.

Bush will probably get the nomination because his family has been "Vetted". Since Most Republicans can't admit to themselves that Dubya was a disaster, they'll probably go along with it.

And Bush would be a pretty good choice, based on his record. He actually has more of a record in Florida than Dubya had in Texas.

But he's a Bush.

For Hillary, I still think her biggest problem is that she isn't likable.

I damned sure don't like her because Wall Street and the MIC does.

 

[JoeB131]

I damned sure don't like her because Wall Street and the MIC does.

I agree you have a point. But just like Iranians don't get to vote for anyone the Ayatollahs don't approve of, Americans don't get to vote for anyone Wall Street doesn't approve of.

 

[Toro]

When Hillary Clinton was at the Rose Law Firm, she defended some of the worst, most disgusting thieves in the S&L Crisis.

Someone I know well was a bank examiner at the time, and led the closing of several S&Ls in the South. He's a Democrat through and through, and won't vote for Hillary Clinton.

Vince Foster wasn't murdered, but he did know things about what they did at the Rose Law Firm that led to him killing himself.

We'll see how much comes out.

Guy, Ken Starr spent 70 million dollars investigating Whitewater and Rose Law and Vince Foster and all he came up with was that Clinton lied about a blow job.

Besides, given that the GOP, and especially the Bush family, was knee deep in the S&L Crisis, I don't think they are going to want to bring that up.

I'm just telling you something from someone who investigated all that back in the day.

She didn't do anything illegal to my knowledge, just sleazy. But you don't give a shit about legality anyways.

All that's going to come up again.

We're going to get Clinton Fatigue 2.0.

 

[Nosmo King]

Mitt Romney. The Adelai Stephenson of the 21st century!

 

[Synthaholic]

Do you listen to yourself?

You could apply the same thing to Romney:

'Meh, not really. They gave her a fair hearing. he got about half hte votes cast.' I know you'll try to come up with BS caveats to the contrary; but your double standards are laughable as usual.

Well, no, the same thing doesn't apply to Romney. He had two shots, he spent shitloads of money.

He lost twice. What's he got to say the third time that he didn't say the first two times?

Now here's the thing about Hillary. SHe actually got MORE votes than Obama did in the 2008 primaries. Because of the rules, (Superdelegates, delegate allocation, disallowing Michigan and Florida) Obama ended up with more delegates. But there wasn't a huge disagreement between Obama and Hillary on any issue except the Iraq War.

Romney on the other hand, really doesn't represent the rank and file of the GOP. His support was never more than 25%. IN 2008 they clearly rejected him, and in 2012, he was willing to spend a shitload of his own money burying candidates who were obviously jokes. (And he still struggled!)

The fact that so many of the people who supported him in 2012 are telling him, "No, thanks" in 2015 should be a clue that his time has passed.

I wanted Biden, but would have been happy with Hillary if Obama didn't catch on.

All one has to do is look at what the other side nominated: the no-nothing and the know-nothing.

 

[Synthaholic]

The media keeps reporting that Mittens saw all the potential money going to Jeb, so that's why he is making noises.

But my question is: if Mittens had convinced himself and everyone who would listen that he wasn't interested in running again, why would he give a shit where all the potential money is going? Was Mittens planning on skimming some of that money?

 

[rdean]

Clinton and all her skeletons? She got thrown away like trash last round.

Meh, not really. They gave her a fair hearing. she got about half hte votes cast.

When Hillary Clinton was at the Rose Law Firm, she defended some of the worst, most disgusting thieves in the S&L Crisis.

Someone I know well was a bank examiner at the time, and led the closing of several S&Ls in the South. He's a Democrat through and through, and won't vote for Hillary Clinton.

Vince Foster wasn't murdered, but he did know things about what they did at the Rose Law Firm that led to him killing himself.

We'll see how much comes out.

You said: When Hillary Clinton was at the Rose Law Firm, she defended some of the worst, most disgusting thieves in the S&L Crisis.

In other words, she was following the law and the constitution and doing what she was being paid to do. And you wouldn't? OK, I got it.