Rural Oregon counties vote to discuss seceding from state to join ‘Greater Idaho’

[AzogtheDefiler]

What's the difference? life goes on either way!

Rural Oregon counties vote to discuss seceding from state to join ‘Greater Idaho’

A group called Move Oregon’s Border is leading an initiative to have Oregon’s rural counties secede from the rest of the state and join Idaho.

video.foxnews.com

The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to move states not become a state. Learn to read, Leftist.

You'll need the consent of Idaho....and Oregon at the very least. Neither of which consent to this exchange.

Yes. But that was not what you initially stated. Don’t hurt yourself back pedaling. Why would Oregon want people who no longer want to be part of Oregon? Maybe Idaho doesn’t mind the extra tax revenue? Why not let it happen?

If its such a popular idea.....why isn't it happening? Why there is zero indication of this imaginary border shift?

There's something you're missing.

It’s just a hypothetical. Why are you always so on edge? Need a safe space?

A ridiculously unlikely hypothetical......but one that conservatives are fiercely defensive about.

Why? Rather that concoct one variant of the secession fantasy after another.....wouldn't it be easier to just come up with a better ideology that was vibrant and persuasive?

That way you could convince people to join you rather than try to create some safe space where your ideology was 'protected' from the market place of ideas.

I live in MA and I am an Independent. But I disagree with many of the political decisions of the left. None are crazy enough yet to convince me to leave the state. But maybe someday they would be. I have never lived in a mostly Republican state. No idea how that would be.

 

[Skylar]

On April 17, 1861, the Richmond convention voted on the Ordinance of Secession. Of the 49 delegates from the future state of West Virginia, 17 voted in favor, and 30 voted against, and two abstained. ... In a referendum on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in the state as a whole.
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Exactly. Nothing about that is similar to what you're describing for the territorial shift of counties in Oregon to Idaho.

As you're not talking about creating a new state. Nor are you talking about the change of territory to be ratified by rest of the States.

You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another.

So I ask again, for the third time....show where in the constitution that is authorized. Or admit that our constitutional republic has jack shit to do with your claims.

United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute

United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992

www.constituteproject.org

 

[Wyatt earp]

On April 17, 1861, the Richmond convention voted on the Ordinance of Secession. Of the 49 delegates from the future state of West Virginia, 17 voted in favor, and 30 voted against, and two abstained. ... In a referendum on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in the state as a whole.
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Exactly. Nothing about that is similar to what you're describing for the territorial shift of counties in Oregon to Idaho.

As you're not talking about creating a new state. Nor are you talking about the change of territory to be ratified by rest of the States.

You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another.

So I ask again, for the third time....show where in the constitution that is authorized. Or admit that our constitutional republic has jack shit to do with your claims.

United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute

United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992

www.constituteproject.org

Once again facts blow your mind away, the western counties of virginia succeeded..

Way after the constitution was ratified, of course counties can leave and join neighboring states, just need congress and the two states involved to approve.

 

[Wyatt earp]

 

[Skylar]

On April 17, 1861, the Richmond convention voted on the Ordinance of Secession. Of the 49 delegates from the future state of West Virginia, 17 voted in favor, and 30 voted against, and two abstained. ... In a referendum on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in the state as a whole.
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Exactly. Nothing about that is similar to what you're describing for the territorial shift of counties in Oregon to Idaho.

As you're not talking about creating a new state. Nor are you talking about the change of territory to be ratified by rest of the States.

You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another.

So I ask again, for the third time....show where in the constitution that is authorized. Or admit that our constitutional republic has jack shit to do with your claims.

United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute

United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992

www.constituteproject.org

Once again facts blow your mind away, the western counties of virginia succeeded..

Way after the constitution was ratified, of course counties can leave and join neighboring states, just need congress and the two states involved to approve.

They succeeded in creating a NEW state. That's not what you're proposing

They succeed in creating a NEW state with the ratification of the creation of that state by the several states. That's not what you're proposing either.

You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another.

And nothing about constitutional republic authorizes people of a county to carve out territory of one State without the States consent and give it to another State.

You've made that up.

 

[Wyatt earp]

On April 17, 1861, the Richmond convention voted on the Ordinance of Secession. Of the 49 delegates from the future state of West Virginia, 17 voted in favor, and 30 voted against, and two abstained. ... In a referendum on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in the state as a whole.
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Exactly. Nothing about that is similar to what you're describing for the territorial shift of counties in Oregon to Idaho.

As you're not talking about creating a new state. Nor are you talking about the change of territory to be ratified by rest of the States.

You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another.

So I ask again, for the third time....show where in the constitution that is authorized. Or admit that our constitutional republic has jack shit to do with your claims.

United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute

United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992

www.constituteproject.org

Once again facts blow your mind away, the western counties of virginia succeeded..

Way after the constitution was ratified, of course counties can leave and join neighboring states, just need congress and the two states involved to approve.

They succeeded in creating a NEW state. That's not what you're proposing

They succeed in creating a NEW state with the ratification of the creation of that state by the several states. That's not what you're proposing either.

You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another.

And nothing about constitutional republic authorizes people of a county to carve out territory of one State without the States consent and give it to another State.

You've made that up.

You act like we had all 50 states when the constitution was ratified, you sir are a narcissist, you only see the world existed the day you where born.

Counties succeeded many times, new state lines was drawn up out of territories.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Oregon and washington territory 1853

 

[Skylar]

What's the difference? life goes on either way!

Rural Oregon counties vote to discuss seceding from state to join ‘Greater Idaho’

A group called Move Oregon’s Border is leading an initiative to have Oregon’s rural counties secede from the rest of the state and join Idaho.

video.foxnews.com

The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state

At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.

Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?

Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.

4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...

It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No

What's the difference? life goes on either way!

Rural Oregon counties vote to discuss seceding from state to join ‘Greater Idaho’

A group called Move Oregon’s Border is leading an initiative to have Oregon’s rural counties secede from the rest of the state and join Idaho.

video.foxnews.com

The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state

At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.

Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?

Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.

4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...

It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.

Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.

And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy

What's the difference? life goes on either way!

Rural Oregon counties vote to discuss seceding from state to join ‘Greater Idaho’

A group called Move Oregon’s Border is leading an initiative to have Oregon’s rural counties secede from the rest of the state and join Idaho.

video.foxnews.com

The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state

At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.

Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?

Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.

4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...

It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

You do know eastern oregon is sick of that trash in Portland rightno No

What's the difference? life goes on either way!

Rural Oregon counties vote to discuss seceding from state to join ‘Greater Idaho’

A group called Move Oregon’s Border is leading an initiative to have Oregon’s rural counties secede from the rest of the state and join Idaho.

video.foxnews.com

The problem with that idea....is that they lack the authority to do it.

You need the consent of other States to become a State. You don't just 'declare it' an start electing your Senators.

They want to become part of Idaho, not a new state

At the very least, they'd need the consent of both States. And most likely, the consent of the several states.

I don't see any of that happening.

Worked for the colonies.

Not so much for South Carolina though.

South Carolina is still under British rule?

Its still part of the US, despite writing its own articles of secession.

That dispute was settled already.

4 years later.

I doubt that the oregon counties would have much better luck without the consent of the States.

Let’s wait and see...

It seems unlikely that Oregon is going to secede its own territory to Idaho. Or that Idaho would even want them.

This will almost certainly amount to nothing.

There is probably much more in common with the people in a potential merger of more rural areas then with the city areas.

Its not common at all. Show me any State in the last century that has given up territory to another state....because the citizens in that region told them to.

And don't hold your breath while you try, as you're gonna pass the heck out.

Its just another variant on the silly secession fantasy that many conservatives are fancying.......as the slowly grow more hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

No they are getting sick and tired of the left , they want no part of them.

And....it doesn't matter if they are 'sick and tired of them'. These secession fantasies still don't amount to much.

It's the outrage that counts, like a good lefty you can't handle the fact people hate the left

They don't want to

Defund cops

Abolish prisons

Make all drugs legal

They are sick of anarchy

Not really. Oregon is still super blue. And those Oregon counties are still part of Oregon.

Alas, feelings don't amount to much in the face of votes.

Why don't you want those counties to leave and join idaho, what's the reason other than it will hurt your feelings

Why would I want those counties to leave and join Idaho?

If they don't like Oregon....they can move.

That's what they want, move the counties to idaho, they can't stand portland and liberalism

And the majority of people of Oregon don't want it. Why would I ignore what the majority of people of Oregon want?

So mob rule, do what they tell us to do , how to act and behave?

Majority rule.

If you don't like Oregon....move somewhere else. If you want to change Oregon......convince the majority of people to do what you want.

Imagine if vote value was based on property ownership as originally proposed.
You obviously believe in mob rule.

No mob rule always described democracy,
And by 'mob rule', you mean actually counting the votes of the people?

'Mob rule' is just the new conservative buzzword you've been fed as the GOP grows increasingly hostile to our democratic institutions and democracy as a concept.

Its part of their slide into authoritarianism. I wouldn't recomment it.

No mob rule always described democracy, hence that's why we are not a democracy

Mob rule is what conservatives call the will of the people as they grow increasingly hostile to democracy and democratic institutions.

And of course, can you factually establish that EVERYONE in those counties, every single person, wants to become part of Idaho?

What would happen to them in your scenario. And feel free to use the word 'mob rule' if you'd like when describing what you want the majority of the people in those counties to do to the minority who wanted to remain in Oregon.

No mob rule is what democracy means, shit for brains

And conservatives oppose 'mob rule', is it?

Uhm yeah because we are a constitutional republic, once again if we had mob rule gay marriage would be illegal


The mob rule of california said no to gay marriage as an example

So conservatives oppose democracy. Well, at least that's out in the open now.

And where in our constitution does it grant people of a given county the authority to pull their territory out of a given state?

United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute

United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992

www.constituteproject.org

Just highlight the relevant passage.

God haven't you ever taken a history lesson?

Or are you so consume by the fact that 73 million people voted for Trump?

West virginia succeeded from Virginia for example way after the constitution was ratified.

West Virginia was a new state. And it was created with the consent of the several states

But that's not what we're talking about here, is it? Try again.

Show me in the constitution where in our constitution does it grant people of a given county the authority to pull their territory out of a given state?

United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute

United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992

www.constituteproject.org

LMFAO, the western counties succeeded from Virginia, you really are bad at history.

Again, they created a new state. That's not what you're proposing.

And WV created a new state with the authoritation of the several states. That's not wht you'

On April 17, 1861, the Richmond convention voted on the Ordinance of Secession. Of the 49 delegates from the future state of West Virginia, 17 voted in favor, and 30 voted against, and two abstained. ... In a referendum on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in the state as a whole.
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Exactly. Nothing about that is similar to what you're describing for the territorial shift of counties in Oregon to Idaho.

As you're not talking about creating a new state. Nor are you talking about the change of territory to be ratified by rest of the States.

You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another.

So I ask again, for the third time....show where in the constitution that is authorized. Or admit that our constitutional republic has jack shit to do with your claims.

United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute

United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992

www.constituteproject.org

Once again facts blow your mind away, the western counties of virginia succeeded..

Way after the constitution was ratified, of course counties can leave and join neighboring states, just need congress and the two states involved to approve.

They succeeded in creating a NEW state. That's not what you're proposing

They succeed in creating a NEW state with the ratification of the creation of that state by the several states. That's not what you're proposing either.

You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another.

And nothing about constitutional republic authorizes people of a county to carve out territory of one State without the States consent and give it to another State.

You've made that up.

You act like we had all 50 states when the constitution was ratified, you sir are a narcissist, you only see the world existed the day you where born.

Counties succeeded many times, new state lines was drawn up out of territories.

Nope.

You've failed to show me anywhere in the constitution where about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another.

Your claims have nothing to do with our constitutional republic.

 

[Skylar]

Oregon and washington territory 1853


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Wrong again.

That's not a county voting to join another state.

Try again.

 

[AZrailwhale]

On April 17, 1861, the Richmond convention voted on the Ordinance of Secession. Of the 49 delegates from the future state of West Virginia, 17 voted in favor, and 30 voted against, and two abstained. ... In a referendum on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in the state as a whole.
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Exactly. Nothing about that is similar to what you're describing for the territorial shift of counties in Oregon to Idaho.

As you're not talking about creating a new state. Nor are you talking about the change of territory to be ratified by rest of the States.

You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another.

So I ask again, for the third time....show where in the constitution that is authorized. Or admit that our constitutional republic has jack shit to do with your claims.

United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute

United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992

www.constituteproject.org

Where is it prevented?

 

[Skylar]

On April 17, 1861, the Richmond convention voted on the Ordinance of Secession. Of the 49 delegates from the future state of West Virginia, 17 voted in favor, and 30 voted against, and two abstained. ... In a referendum on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in the state as a whole.
View attachment 420294
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History of West Virginia - Wikipedia

Exactly. Nothing about that is similar to what you're describing for the territorial shift of counties in Oregon to Idaho.

As you're not talking about creating a new state. Nor are you talking about the change of territory to be ratified by rest of the States.

You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another.

So I ask again, for the third time....show where in the constitution that is authorized. Or admit that our constitutional republic has jack shit to do with your claims.

United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute

United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992

www.constituteproject.org

Where is it prevented?

The constitution is an exhaustive list of powers. The federal government lacks any such power as it never mentioned in the constitution. And the Oregon constitution has no provision for a county seizing Oregon territory and giving it to another state.

What Bear is proposing has nothing to do with our constitutional republic. Its merely a conservative secession fantasy.

 

[Wyatt earp]

On April 17, 1861, the Richmond convention voted on the Ordinance of Secession. Of the 49 delegates from the future state of West Virginia, 17 voted in favor, and 30 voted against, and two abstained. ... In a referendum on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in the state as a whole.
View attachment 420294
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History of West Virginia - Wikipedia

Exactly. Nothing about that is similar to what you're describing for the territorial shift of counties in Oregon to Idaho.

As you're not talking about creating a new state. Nor are you talking about the change of territory to be ratified by rest of the States.

You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another.

So I ask again, for the third time....show where in the constitution that is authorized. Or admit that our constitutional republic has jack shit to do with your claims.

United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute

United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992

www.constituteproject.org

Where is it prevented?

The constitution is an exhaustive list of powers. The federal government lacks any such power as it never mentioned in the constitution. And the Oregon constitution has no provision for a county seizing Oregon territory and giving it to another state.

What Bear is proposing has nothing to do with our constitutional republic. Its merely a conservative secession fantasy.

Of the 37 states admitted to the Union by Congress, three were set off from an already existing state:

• Kentucky – 1792, was a part of Virginia[5]
• Maine – 1820, was a part of Massachusetts[6]

 

[Skylar]

On April 17, 1861, the Richmond convention voted on the Ordinance of Secession. Of the 49 delegates from the future state of West Virginia, 17 voted in favor, and 30 voted against, and two abstained. ... In a referendum on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in the state as a whole.
View attachment 420294
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Exactly. Nothing about that is similar to what you're describing for the territorial shift of counties in Oregon to Idaho.

As you're not talking about creating a new state. Nor are you talking about the change of territory to be ratified by rest of the States.

You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another.

So I ask again, for the third time....show where in the constitution that is authorized. Or admit that our constitutional republic has jack shit to do with your claims.

United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute

United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992

www.constituteproject.org

Where is it prevented?

The constitution is an exhaustive list of powers. The federal government lacks any such power as it never mentioned in the constitution. And the Oregon constitution has no provision for a county seizing Oregon territory and giving it to another state.

What Bear is proposing has nothing to do with our constitutional republic. Its merely a conservative secession fantasy.

Of the 37 states admitted to the Union by Congress, three were set off from an already existing state:

• Kentucky – 1792, was a part of Virginia[5]
• Maine – 1820, was a part of Massachusetts[6]

Not one of those examples was a county voting to secede from a state against the will of the State it was seizing territory from.......and joining another state.

Try again.

 

[Wyatt earp]

On April 17, 1861, the Richmond convention voted on the Ordinance of Secession. Of the 49 delegates from the future state of West Virginia, 17 voted in favor, and 30 voted against, and two abstained. ... In a referendum on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in the state as a whole. View attachment 420294 Wikipedia › wiki › History_of_Wes... History of West Virginia - Wikipedia Exactly. Nothing about that is similar to what you're describing for the territorial shift of counties in Oregon to Idaho. As you're not talking about creating a new state. Nor are you talking about the change of territory to be ratified by rest of the States. You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another. So I ask again, for the third time....show where in the constitution that is authorized. Or admit that our constitutional republic has jack shit to do with your claims. United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992 www.constituteproject.org Where is it prevented? The constitution is an exhaustive list of powers. The federal government lacks any such power as it never mentioned in the constitution. And the Oregon constitution has no provision for a county seizing Oregon territory and giving it to another state. What Bear is proposing has nothing to do with our constitutional republic. Its merely a conservative secession fantasy. Of the 37 states admitted to the Union by Congress, three were set off from an already existing state: Kentucky – 1792, was a part of Virginia[5] Maine – 1820, was a part of Massachusetts[6] Not one of those examples was a county voting to secede from a state against the will of the State it was seizing territory from.......and joining another state. Try again. You liar the counties of the state of massachusetts took off and left

 

[Wyatt earp]

On April 17, 1861, the Richmond convention voted on the Ordinance of Secession. Of the 49 delegates from the future state of West Virginia, 17 voted in favor, and 30 voted against, and two abstained. ... In a referendum on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in the state as a whole.
View attachment 420294
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History of West Virginia - Wikipedia

Exactly. Nothing about that is similar to what you're describing for the territorial shift of counties in Oregon to Idaho.

As you're not talking about creating a new state. Nor are you talking about the change of territory to be ratified by rest of the States.

You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another.

So I ask again, for the third time....show where in the constitution that is authorized. Or admit that our constitutional republic has jack shit to do with your claims.

United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute

United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992

www.constituteproject.org

Where is it prevented?

The constitution is an exhaustive list of powers. The federal government lacks any such power as it never mentioned in the constitution. And the Oregon constitution has no provision for a county seizing Oregon territory and giving it to another state.

What Bear is proposing has nothing to do with our constitutional republic. Its merely a conservative secession fantasy.

Of the 37 states admitted to the Union by Congress, three were set off from an already existing state:

• Kentucky – 1792, was a part of Virginia[5]
• Maine – 1820, was a part of Massachusetts[6]

Not one of those examples was a county voting to secede from a state against the will of the State it was seizing territory from.......and joining another state.

Try again.

So virginia didn't have counties when the western part voted to leave?

 

[Skylar]

On April 17, 1861, the Richmond convention voted on the Ordinance of Secession. Of the 49 delegates from the future state of West Virginia, 17 voted in favor, and 30 voted against, and two abstained. ... In a referendum on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in the state as a whole. View attachment 420294 Wikipedia › wiki › History_of_Wes... History of West Virginia - Wikipedia Exactly. Nothing about that is similar to what you're describing for the territorial shift of counties in Oregon to Idaho. As you're not talking about creating a new state. Nor are you talking about the change of territory to be ratified by rest of the States. You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another. So I ask again, for the third time....show where in the constitution that is authorized. Or admit that our constitutional republic has jack shit to do with your claims. United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992 www.constituteproject.org Where is it prevented? The constitution is an exhaustive list of powers. The federal government lacks any such power as it never mentioned in the constitution. And the Oregon constitution has no provision for a county seizing Oregon territory and giving it to another state. What Bear is proposing has nothing to do with our constitutional republic. Its merely a conservative secession fantasy. Of the 37 states admitted to the Union by Congress, three were set off from an already existing state: Kentucky – 1792, was a part of Virginia[5] Maine – 1820, was a part of Massachusetts[6] Not one of those examples was a county voting to secede from a state against the will of the State it was seizing territory from.......and joining another state. Try again. You liar the counties of the state of massachusetts took off and left

Against the will of Massachusettes, without the vote of the Several States.......by their own vote, joining another state?

Prove it.

 

[Wyatt earp]

On April 17, 1861, the Richmond convention voted on the Ordinance of Secession. Of the 49 delegates from the future state of West Virginia, 17 voted in favor, and 30 voted against, and two abstained. ... In a referendum on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in the state as a whole. View attachment 420294 Wikipedia › wiki › History_of_Wes... History of West Virginia - Wikipedia Exactly. Nothing about that is similar to what you're describing for the territorial shift of counties in Oregon to Idaho. As you're not talking about creating a new state. Nor are you talking about the change of territory to be ratified by rest of the States. You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another. So I ask again, for the third time....show where in the constitution that is authorized. Or admit that our constitutional republic has jack shit to do with your claims. United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992 www.constituteproject.org Where is it prevented? The constitution is an exhaustive list of powers. The federal government lacks any such power as it never mentioned in the constitution. And the Oregon constitution has no provision for a county seizing Oregon territory and giving it to another state. What Bear is proposing has nothing to do with our constitutional republic. Its merely a conservative secession fantasy. Of the 37 states admitted to the Union by Congress, three were set off from an already existing state: Kentucky – 1792, was a part of Virginia[5] Maine – 1820, was a part of Massachusetts[6] Not one of those examples was a county voting to secede from a state against the will of the State it was seizing territory from.......and joining another state. Try again. You liar the counties of the state of massachusetts took off and left

Against the will of Massachusettes, without the vote of the Several States.......by their own vote, joining another state?

Prove it.

Oh so this is just mob rule to you, huh?

 

[Skylar]

On April 17, 1861, the Richmond convention voted on the Ordinance of Secession. Of the 49 delegates from the future state of West Virginia, 17 voted in favor, and 30 voted against, and two abstained. ... In a referendum on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in the state as a whole.
View attachment 420294
Wikipedia › wiki › History_of_Wes...
History of West Virginia - Wikipedia

Exactly. Nothing about that is similar to what you're describing for the territorial shift of counties in Oregon to Idaho.

As you're not talking about creating a new state. Nor are you talking about the change of territory to be ratified by rest of the States.

You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another.

So I ask again, for the third time....show where in the constitution that is authorized. Or admit that our constitutional republic has jack shit to do with your claims.

United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute

United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992

www.constituteproject.org

Where is it prevented?

The constitution is an exhaustive list of powers. The federal government lacks any such power as it never mentioned in the constitution. And the Oregon constitution has no provision for a county seizing Oregon territory and giving it to another state.

What Bear is proposing has nothing to do with our constitutional republic. Its merely a conservative secession fantasy.

Of the 37 states admitted to the Union by Congress, three were set off from an already existing state:

• Kentucky – 1792, was a part of Virginia[5]
• Maine – 1820, was a part of Massachusetts[6]

Not one of those examples was a county voting to secede from a state against the will of the State it was seizing territory from.......and joining another state.

Try again.

So virginia didn't have counties when the western part voted to leave?

Again, these counties didn't join another state. They created a new one.....and with the consent of the several states. Not by their own vote alone.

Try again.

 

[Skylar]

On April 17, 1861, the Richmond convention voted on the Ordinance of Secession. Of the 49 delegates from the future state of West Virginia, 17 voted in favor, and 30 voted against, and two abstained. ... In a referendum on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in the state as a whole. View attachment 420294 Wikipedia › wiki › History_of_Wes... History of West Virginia - Wikipedia Exactly. Nothing about that is similar to what you're describing for the territorial shift of counties in Oregon to Idaho. As you're not talking about creating a new state. Nor are you talking about the change of territory to be ratified by rest of the States. You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another. So I ask again, for the third time....show where in the constitution that is authorized. Or admit that our constitutional republic has jack shit to do with your claims. United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992 www.constituteproject.org Where is it prevented? The constitution is an exhaustive list of powers. The federal government lacks any such power as it never mentioned in the constitution. And the Oregon constitution has no provision for a county seizing Oregon territory and giving it to another state. What Bear is proposing has nothing to do with our constitutional republic. Its merely a conservative secession fantasy. Of the 37 states admitted to the Union by Congress, three were set off from an already existing state: Kentucky – 1792, was a part of Virginia[5] Maine – 1820, was a part of Massachusetts[6] Not one of those examples was a county voting to secede from a state against the will of the State it was seizing territory from.......and joining another state. Try again. You liar the counties of the state of massachusetts took off and left

Against the will of Massachusettes, without the vote of the Several States.......by their own vote, joining another state?

Prove it.

Oh so this is just mob rule to you, huh?

Prove that counties from the State of Massachusetts seized territory from Massachusetts and against its will joined another state.

 

[Wyatt earp]

On April 17, 1861, the Richmond convention voted on the Ordinance of Secession. Of the 49 delegates from the future state of West Virginia, 17 voted in favor, and 30 voted against, and two abstained. ... In a referendum on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in the state as a whole.
View attachment 420294
Wikipedia › wiki › History_of_Wes...
History of West Virginia - Wikipedia

Exactly. Nothing about that is similar to what you're describing for the territorial shift of counties in Oregon to Idaho.

As you're not talking about creating a new state. Nor are you talking about the change of territory to be ratified by rest of the States.

You're talking about a COUNTY, by its own will, simply leaving the a State without that States consent....and joining another.

So I ask again, for the third time....show where in the constitution that is authorized. Or admit that our constitutional republic has jack shit to do with your claims.

United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992) Constitution - Constitute

United States of America's Constitution of 1789 with Amendments through 1992

www.constituteproject.org

Where is it prevented?

The constitution is an exhaustive list of powers. The federal government lacks any such power as it never mentioned in the constitution. And the Oregon constitution has no provision for a county seizing Oregon territory and giving it to another state.

What Bear is proposing has nothing to do with our constitutional republic. Its merely a conservative secession fantasy.

Of the 37 states admitted to the Union by Congress, three were set off from an already existing state:

• Kentucky – 1792, was a part of Virginia[5]
• Maine – 1820, was a part of Massachusetts[6]

Not one of those examples was a county voting to secede from a state against the will of the State it was seizing territory from.......and joining another state.

Try again.

So virginia didn't have counties when the western part voted to leave?

Again, these counties didn't join another state. They created a new one.....and with the consent of the several states. Not by their own vote alone.

Try again.

They did it peacefully, the northern counties of massachusetts hated the liberals of massachusetts and said see ya fuck heads and formed maine