RWs, how do we fix our shitty healthcare system?

[TooTall]

Medicare is for Americans aged 65 and over. Part A is free; Part B requires a premium, and covers some medications, with a small co-pay. In order for all medications to be covered, the individual has to apply for Part D.

That's MedicARE.


You're talking about MedicAID.

You'd have a lot more credibility if you knew the difference.

I had a brain fart and I sure did mean to type Medicaid instead of Medicare. Change the word and then tell me I am wrong.

Fair enough, but emergency rooms are not free.

They are free to the poor people that go to them. I agree that they are not a cost effective way to deliver healthcare. Too many people go there for a hangnail or a summer cold.

Exactly. But if more people have access to health insurance (and if more clinics had the common sense to stay open on nights and weekends), there'd be more efficient ways for people to be treated for minor problems.

Urgent care centers in hospitals and clinics are popping up all over the country. The good ones have access to much of the diagnostic capabilities of emergency rooms but have far less overhead because they don't deal with the trauma and life and death emergencies.

One of the major reasons people go to emergency rooms is they can often accomplish more in 3 or 4 hours than your family doctor and associated specialist will accomplish in a month.

In so many clinic environments, a cancer diagnosis or a heart problem can take weeks to diagnosis as the patient waits for appointments with specialists, labs, diagnostic imaging etc and those weeks can be critical to good outcome.

If you are you saying that urgent care centers have cancer specialists and cardiologists on staff you would be wrong.

 

[Papageorgio]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

Thanks to Obamacare the working middle class can't afford it. You help the poor at the expense of the middle class, that is why the middle class is shrinking. The Dems and the Repubs work for the rich.

 

[healthmyths]

I've shown you where the biggest waste and fraud is. Why are you people so interested in protecting lawyers?
You trust your doctor to go to him/her. You take their expertise.
So why are you balking at a study where 90% of the doctors agree... insurance companies are wasteful paying claims for duplicate testing,etc. all because
they fear lawyers and their lawsuits. $850 Billion is a huge number and yet are you all sure that is OK with you? Again insurance companies pay the claims and raise the premiums as long as they spend 80% of premiums on claims. Doesn't this sound like something that is just asking for abuse?

 

[Papageorgio]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

you are correct, the time is coming that I wont be able to afford it. And that is because I am being forced to pay for someone elses insurance along with my own. Without the ACA f-ing up our premiums, we all could have kept affording it just as we have been since forever.
But the left wont be happy until those that have it now, buy it for those that dont have it.

There is nothing ACA has done to increase premiums. Nothing. That's just the nature of capitalism.

GARBAGE.....

Obamacare forced requirements on health care offerings and now Bronze plans are little more than VERY EXPENSIVE catastrophic plans.

You can't find a catastrophic plan for what you could before.

As CATO so apply put it....Obamacare made inexpensive insurance illegal.

Dick.

Yep, that is exactly what the bronze plane is. I was paying less than half for almost the same plan a couple years ago. Funny how the Dems can package a piece of crap and make it look good. Until you use it, then you find out it is a piece of crap.

 

[healthmyths]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

Thanks to Obamacare the working middle class can't afford it. You help the poor at the expense of the middle class, that is why the middle class is shrinking. The Dems and the Repubs work for the rich.

Do you realize what the ultimate result would be if "The Dems and The Repubs work for the rich"????
If as it appears YOU and millions of misinformed people that think that premise, wouldn't the "rich" numbers be declining until less then a handful of extremely rich
would be "consuming" all the efforts of the rest of us? In other words based on your premise, all the politicians are working for fewer and fewer richer and richer people so
at some point there are just a few very rich people in the world.
Sorry but the reality is there are NOW more billionaires and millionaires then anytime in history!
A study last fall (2015) from Credit Suisse that said the world's millionaire population was roughly 35 million, and was expected to reach 53 million by 2019.
How many millionaires? Depends who’s counting

Would any of you really believe that the number of "rich" people is declining????

 

[Papageorgio]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

Thanks to Obamacare the working middle class can't afford it. You help the poor at the expense of the middle class, that is why the middle class is shrinking. The Dems and the Repubs work for the rich.

Do you realize what the ultimate result would be if "The Dems and The Repubs work for the rich"????
If as it appears YOU and millions of misinformed people that think that premise, wouldn't the "rich" numbers be declining until less then a handful of extremely rich
would be "consuming" all the efforts of the rest of us? In other words based on your premise, all the politicians are working for fewer and fewer richer and richer people so
at some point there are just a few very rich people in the world.
Sorry but the reality is there are NOW more billionaires and millionaires then anytime in history!
A study last fall (2015) from Credit Suisse that said the world's millionaire population was roughly 35 million, and was expected to reach 53 million by 2019.
How many millionaires? Depends who’s counting

Would any of you really believe that the number of "rich" people is declining????

The 1% get elected to Congress, the 1% lobby Congress, do you honestly think they care what the middle class pays for a gallon of milk, or what the middle class pays for healthcare, or how the middle class is the ones burdened with big government? Obamacare hurt the middle class, not the poor, not the rich, the middle class.

Both Republicans and Democrats write laws that favor the rich, because they are the rich.

 

[healthmyths]

Ok so you hate ObamaCare. Whatever. How do we fix our healthcare woes? What, exactly, should be done to curb the increasing cost to the consumer of healthcare costs while wages have remained flat? Keep in mind that healthcare costs have been increasing long before ObamaCare so it's utterly retarded to blame ObamaCare for it. The prices of prescriptions and treatments would be the same without ACA. At least ACA has increased the number of insured Americans despite its shortcomings.

Just agree that legislation is what's needed to cap expenses such as prescriptions. In the end more socialization is what's needed to fix our system. Despite what the Neanderthals on Fox News will tell you, Canada's healthcare system works. 91% of Canadians favor their system over the US's system. Western Europe also has great, affordable healthcare systems.

Change of Subject: Never mind the anecdotes: Do Canadians like their health-care system?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

"The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."

Yes medical care here is sophisticated, but that hardly means jack shit if most Americans can't benefit from it.

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

Thanks to Obamacare the working middle class can't afford it. You help the poor at the expense of the middle class, that is why the middle class is shrinking. The Dems and the Repubs work for the rich.

Do you realize what the ultimate result would be if "The Dems and The Repubs work for the rich"????
If as it appears YOU and millions of misinformed people that think that premise, wouldn't the "rich" numbers be declining until less then a handful of extremely rich
would be "consuming" all the efforts of the rest of us? In other words based on your premise, all the politicians are working for fewer and fewer richer and richer people so
at some point there are just a few very rich people in the world.
Sorry but the reality is there are NOW more billionaires and millionaires then anytime in history!
A study last fall (2015) from Credit Suisse that said the world's millionaire population was roughly 35 million, and was expected to reach 53 million by 2019.
How many millionaires? Depends who’s counting

Would any of you really believe that the number of "rich" people is declining????

The 1% get elected to Congress, the 1% lobby Congress, do you honestly think they care what the middle class pays for a gallon of milk, or what the middle class pays for healthcare, or how the middle class is the ones burdened with big government? Obamacare hurt the middle class, not the poor, not the rich, the middle class.

Both Republicans and Democrats write laws that favor the rich, because they are the rich.

So how come at the end of 2011, there were 11 million millionaires versus 100 years ago when there were 207 people in the USA that had $1m income/ year.

Why are you so intent to take come from the rich when YOU could spend that time getting rich yourself?
Why are people like you so jealous of the rich when as the above statistics show there has been a 5,3014,010% INCREASE in millionaires!
Think about it. Are you that lazy or stupid that you can't get on your own make a success of your life?

Some 86% of millionaires say they made their own wealth, according to Fidelity’s 2012 Millionaire Outlook Survey. Of these self-made millionaires, 30% told Fidelity that they struggled financially when they were young. But fruitful careers in finance, accounting, or technical industries set them on a different financial path. The good news for you? Even a simple business idea can get you into their club.
10 Things You Didn't Know About Millionaires

 

[Papageorgio]

not sure what you are talking about , I and my family have been benefiting from it for as long as I can remember. The sytem worked well the way it was and the care was excellent.

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

Thanks to Obamacare the working middle class can't afford it. You help the poor at the expense of the middle class, that is why the middle class is shrinking. The Dems and the Repubs work for the rich.

Do you realize what the ultimate result would be if "The Dems and The Repubs work for the rich"????
If as it appears YOU and millions of misinformed people that think that premise, wouldn't the "rich" numbers be declining until less then a handful of extremely rich
would be "consuming" all the efforts of the rest of us? In other words based on your premise, all the politicians are working for fewer and fewer richer and richer people so
at some point there are just a few very rich people in the world.
Sorry but the reality is there are NOW more billionaires and millionaires then anytime in history!
A study last fall (2015) from Credit Suisse that said the world's millionaire population was roughly 35 million, and was expected to reach 53 million by 2019.
How many millionaires? Depends who’s counting

Would any of you really believe that the number of "rich" people is declining????

The 1% get elected to Congress, the 1% lobby Congress, do you honestly think they care what the middle class pays for a gallon of milk, or what the middle class pays for healthcare, or how the middle class is the ones burdened with big government? Obamacare hurt the middle class, not the poor, not the rich, the middle class.

Both Republicans and Democrats write laws that favor the rich, because they are the rich.

So how come at the end of 2011, there were 11 million millionaires versus 100 years ago when there were 207 people in the USA that had $1m income/ year.

Why are you so intent to take come from the rich when YOU could spend that time getting rich yourself?
Why are people like you so jealous of the rich when as the above statistics show there has been a 5,3014,010% INCREASE in millionaires!
Think about it. Are you that lazy or stupid that you can't get on your own make a success of your life?

Some 86% of millionaires say they made their own wealth, according to Fidelity’s 2012 Millionaire Outlook Survey. Of these self-made millionaires, 30% told Fidelity that they struggled financially when they were young. But fruitful careers in finance, accounting, or technical industries set them on a different financial path. The good news for you? Even a simple business idea can get you into their club.
10 Things You Didn't Know About Millionaires

I don't begrudge the rich, good for them. I work for a rich guy. I dislike that Congress caters to the rich and spit on the middle class. Congress is supposed to work for everyone, not the rich.

 

[healthmyths]

See that's the problem with you people. YOU have been benefitting from it so for some reason that means it's perfect. The reality is that every cost of living expense has gone up while wages have remained flat. The middle class is shrinking. Poor people can't afford even the most basic services. At this rate, a time will come when you can't afford it either.

Thanks to Obamacare the working middle class can't afford it. You help the poor at the expense of the middle class, that is why the middle class is shrinking. The Dems and the Repubs work for the rich.

Do you realize what the ultimate result would be if "The Dems and The Repubs work for the rich"????
If as it appears YOU and millions of misinformed people that think that premise, wouldn't the "rich" numbers be declining until less then a handful of extremely rich
would be "consuming" all the efforts of the rest of us? In other words based on your premise, all the politicians are working for fewer and fewer richer and richer people so
at some point there are just a few very rich people in the world.
Sorry but the reality is there are NOW more billionaires and millionaires then anytime in history!
A study last fall (2015) from Credit Suisse that said the world's millionaire population was roughly 35 million, and was expected to reach 53 million by 2019.
How many millionaires? Depends who’s counting

Would any of you really believe that the number of "rich" people is declining????

The 1% get elected to Congress, the 1% lobby Congress, do you honestly think they care what the middle class pays for a gallon of milk, or what the middle class pays for healthcare, or how the middle class is the ones burdened with big government? Obamacare hurt the middle class, not the poor, not the rich, the middle class.

Both Republicans and Democrats write laws that favor the rich, because they are the rich.

So how come at the end of 2011, there were 11 million millionaires versus 100 years ago when there were 207 people in the USA that had $1m income/ year.

Why are you so intent to take come from the rich when YOU could spend that time getting rich yourself?
Why are people like you so jealous of the rich when as the above statistics show there has been a 5,3014,010% INCREASE in millionaires!
Think about it. Are you that lazy or stupid that you can't get on your own make a success of your life?

Some 86% of millionaires say they made their own wealth, according to Fidelity’s 2012 Millionaire Outlook Survey. Of these self-made millionaires, 30% told Fidelity that they struggled financially when they were young. But fruitful careers in finance, accounting, or technical industries set them on a different financial path. The good news for you? Even a simple business idea can get you into their club.
10 Things You Didn't Know About Millionaires

I don't begrudge the rich, good for them. I work for a rich guy. I dislike that Congress caters to the rich and spit on the middle class. Congress is supposed to work for everyone, not the rich.

Can you give me ONE solid example of where "Congress caters to the rich and spit on the middle class"?
I'd like to know because it appears EVERYTHING that Obama has had Congress pass certainly by all appearances didn't help the rich.
MY goodness I'd certainly like to know what Obamacare was all about if it wasn't for the "middle class",etc.!

 

[Papageorgio]

Thanks to Obamacare the working middle class can't afford it. You help the poor at the expense of the middle class, that is why the middle class is shrinking. The Dems and the Repubs work for the rich.

Do you realize what the ultimate result would be if "The Dems and The Repubs work for the rich"????
If as it appears YOU and millions of misinformed people that think that premise, wouldn't the "rich" numbers be declining until less then a handful of extremely rich
would be "consuming" all the efforts of the rest of us? In other words based on your premise, all the politicians are working for fewer and fewer richer and richer people so
at some point there are just a few very rich people in the world.
Sorry but the reality is there are NOW more billionaires and millionaires then anytime in history!
A study last fall (2015) from Credit Suisse that said the world's millionaire population was roughly 35 million, and was expected to reach 53 million by 2019.
How many millionaires? Depends who’s counting

Would any of you really believe that the number of "rich" people is declining????

The 1% get elected to Congress, the 1% lobby Congress, do you honestly think they care what the middle class pays for a gallon of milk, or what the middle class pays for healthcare, or how the middle class is the ones burdened with big government? Obamacare hurt the middle class, not the poor, not the rich, the middle class.

Both Republicans and Democrats write laws that favor the rich, because they are the rich.

So how come at the end of 2011, there were 11 million millionaires versus 100 years ago when there were 207 people in the USA that had $1m income/ year.

Why are you so intent to take come from the rich when YOU could spend that time getting rich yourself?
Why are people like you so jealous of the rich when as the above statistics show there has been a 5,3014,010% INCREASE in millionaires!
Think about it. Are you that lazy or stupid that you can't get on your own make a success of your life?

Some 86% of millionaires say they made their own wealth, according to Fidelity’s 2012 Millionaire Outlook Survey. Of these self-made millionaires, 30% told Fidelity that they struggled financially when they were young. But fruitful careers in finance, accounting, or technical industries set them on a different financial path. The good news for you? Even a simple business idea can get you into their club.
10 Things You Didn't Know About Millionaires

I don't begrudge the rich, good for them. I work for a rich guy. I dislike that Congress caters to the rich and spit on the middle class. Congress is supposed to work for everyone, not the rich.

Can you give me ONE solid example of where "Congress caters to the rich and spit on the middle class"?
I'd like to know because it appears EVERYTHING that Obama has had Congress pass certainly by all appearances didn't help the rich.
MY goodness I'd certainly like to know what Obamacare was all about if it wasn't for the "middle class",etc.!

Obamacare helped the rich, it made it mandatory for people to carry health insurance. Big boon for the insurance companies, hurt the middle class.

 

[healthmyths]

Do you realize what the ultimate result would be if "The Dems and The Repubs work for the rich"????
If as it appears YOU and millions of misinformed people that think that premise, wouldn't the "rich" numbers be declining until less then a handful of extremely rich
would be "consuming" all the efforts of the rest of us? In other words based on your premise, all the politicians are working for fewer and fewer richer and richer people so
at some point there are just a few very rich people in the world.
Sorry but the reality is there are NOW more billionaires and millionaires then anytime in history!
A study last fall (2015) from Credit Suisse that said the world's millionaire population was roughly 35 million, and was expected to reach 53 million by 2019.
How many millionaires? Depends who’s counting

Would any of you really believe that the number of "rich" people is declining????

The 1% get elected to Congress, the 1% lobby Congress, do you honestly think they care what the middle class pays for a gallon of milk, or what the middle class pays for healthcare, or how the middle class is the ones burdened with big government? Obamacare hurt the middle class, not the poor, not the rich, the middle class.

Both Republicans and Democrats write laws that favor the rich, because they are the rich.

So how come at the end of 2011, there were 11 million millionaires versus 100 years ago when there were 207 people in the USA that had $1m income/ year.

Why are you so intent to take come from the rich when YOU could spend that time getting rich yourself?
Why are people like you so jealous of the rich when as the above statistics show there has been a 5,3014,010% INCREASE in millionaires!
Think about it. Are you that lazy or stupid that you can't get on your own make a success of your life?

Some 86% of millionaires say they made their own wealth, according to Fidelity’s 2012 Millionaire Outlook Survey. Of these self-made millionaires, 30% told Fidelity that they struggled financially when they were young. But fruitful careers in finance, accounting, or technical industries set them on a different financial path. The good news for you? Even a simple business idea can get you into their club.
10 Things You Didn't Know About Millionaires

I don't begrudge the rich, good for them. I work for a rich guy. I dislike that Congress caters to the rich and spit on the middle class. Congress is supposed to work for everyone, not the rich.

Can you give me ONE solid example of where "Congress caters to the rich and spit on the middle class"?
I'd like to know because it appears EVERYTHING that Obama has had Congress pass certainly by all appearances didn't help the rich.
MY goodness I'd certainly like to know what Obamacare was all about if it wasn't for the "middle class",etc.!

Obamacare helped the rich, it made it mandatory for people to carry health insurance. Big boon for the insurance companies, hurt the middle class.

Explain this then:
A New Threat to Obamacare Insurance companies are starting to pull out. Premiums are rising. Is the ACA doomed?
Insurance Companies Are Pulling Out. Premiums Are Rising. Is Obamacare Doomed?

UnitedHealth warns it may exit Obamacare plans
The nation's largest health insurer warned Thursday that it may pull out of the Obamacare exchanges after 2016 – forcing more than a half million people to find other coverage – after low enrollment and high usage cost the company millions of dollars.

The possible move by UnitedHealth Group raises new questions about the viability of President Obama's signature health law and follows the departure of more than half of the non-profit insurance cooperatives this year. If UnitedHealth drops out, consumers would lose one of the lowest-cost plans available in much of the country, and some wonder how smaller insurers could fill the void. .
UnitedHealth warns it may exit Obamacare plans

 

[Flopper]

If Obama had not lied and the liberals had not forced a minority-supported plan down the throats of the majority that opposed the ACA we would not have this shitty health care system now.

It passed 219 to 212 in the House and 60 to 39 in Senate. The Republican plan was an alternative plan which incorporated nothing .in the PPACA. Basically, this plan was tort reform and left all other issues regarding healthcare to the states. It would have had little impact on the number insured, not eliminated the pre-existing conditions as an insurance requirement, and allowed insurance companies to cancel policies of the very ill.

The parties were so far apart on healthcare, I doubt any compromise would have been possible.

 

[Edgetho]

I'm as Conservative as it gets and --

We need to fix the ACA.

Not eliminate it, fix it.

It isn't about 'free stuff' it's about making free-loaders pay their freight for a change.

Too many Conservatives are simply brain-dead on this matter.

We need to fix the ACA. The biggest thing wrong with it is -- dimocraps did it.

And no, I'm not being sardonic. I'm serious as dogs fornicating. dimocraps fuck up everything they touch.

They have some good ideas, but they're too stupid to put them into operation.

Every time. And Republicans need to stop acting all butthurt and pitch in. dims can't do it. They just don't have the skill

 

[healthmyths]

If Obama had not lied and the liberals had not forced a minority-supported plan down the throats of the majority that opposed the ACA we would not have this shitty health care system now.

It passed 219 to 212 in the House and 60 to 39 in Senate. The Republican plan was an alternative plan which incorporated nothing .in the PPACA. Basically, this plan was tort reform and left all other issues regarding healthcare to the states. It would have had little impact on the number insured, not eliminated the pre-existing conditions as an insurance requirement, and allowed insurance companies to cancel policies of the very ill.

The parties were so far apart on healthcare, I doubt any compromise would have been possible.

seven House and 11 Senate votes!
AND THERE WAS TOTAL TOTAL Bogus lie when Obama used this statement"
"I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. In the wealthiest nation on Earth, 46 million of our fellow citizens have no coverage.”
BUT this was a LIE!!!
Total LIE!!
1) 10 million Obama counted were not Americans... not citizens per the Census
Proof: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
Although the flow of undocumented immigration to the United States has slowed in recent years, as of March 2010 there were still an estimated 11.2 million undocumented immigrants in the country.. http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/30/10/1997.full
AND NOT ONE of these 11.2 million illegal immigrants are to have any health insurance especially under Obamacare!
So that knocks at least according to the 2009 census 10 million from the 46 million he lied as calling them "Americans"!

2) 14 million that were Eligible for MEDICAID BEFORE ACA!
Obama failed to get 14 million people eligible for Medicaid enrolled. That's all that is needed. That leaves 22 million.
there was NO NEED for Obamacare to cover these 14 million all they need do is REGISTER!!!
http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf
But either Obama didn't know this which is gross incompetency OR he did and ignored to get Obamacare passed! HYPED the numbers.

3) Finally why should 18 million people under age 34 that make over $50,000 that DIDN"T WANT their employers coverage be FORCED to buy
something they don't want OR NEED?
Just to pitch to the idiots of America as Gruber said it took the "Stupidity of the American Voter" to pass there were NEVER 46 million that
were legal, or wanted health insurance and all needed to be done for 14 million was get them registered! That's it!
The fact is subtract that 42 million from 46 million and you come up with less then 4 million!

There NEVER were 46 million uninsured but less then 4 million that truly want and need health insurance.

SO why would anyone think we needed health insurance for 4 million people enough to destroy our whole health care system!
Totally destructive of a system that WAS working fine.
It took LIES to pass ACA and as Obama's architect said "Stupidity of the American Voter"!!!

 

[healthmyths]

I'm as Conservative as it gets and --

We need to fix the ACA.

Not eliminate it, fix it.

It isn't about 'free stuff' it's about making free-loaders pay their freight for a change.

Too many Conservatives are simply brain-dead on this matter.

We need to fix the ACA. The biggest thing wrong with it is -- dimocraps did it.

And no, I'm not being sardonic. I'm serious as dogs fornicating. dimocraps fuck up everything they touch.

They have some good ideas, but they're too stupid to put them into operation.

Every time. And Republicans need to stop acting all butthurt and pitch in. dims can't do it. They just don't have the skill

The ONLY fix is to provide Tort Reform as THESE EXPERTS are telling you!!!

So that being said why don't we all agree that as the doctors have told us READ again... Doctors tell us they send to insurance companies claims for services that
are WASTED! WHY??? Because these claims are for duplicate testings, for 2nd opinions, on everything... removing a splinter for example the family physician might
because of fear of lawsuit send the patient to a specialist! Again all because they FEAR LAWSUITS.
PLEASE read the study that proves that doctors think they send between $600 Billion to $850 Billion a year in wasted claims to insurance companies.

READ THIS STUDY!! http://www.jacksonhealthcare.com/media/8968/defensivemedicine_ebook_final.pdf

90% of physicians surveyed say they order $850 billion a year in wasted duplicate tests, referrals all out of FEAR of being SUED!
--- Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
--- 79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
"Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the
1946 Federal Tort Claims Act. "
-- BUT........Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
Consider that fact that of the physicians interviewed 52% DID NOT practice defensive medicine!
Who were they? Doctors contracted by federal government!
WHY did these doctors NOT practice "defensive medicine"??? 1946 Tort reform!

TAX lawyers 10% of their $270 Billion and use that and pay the annual premium for the 4 million that truly need health insurance.
As a result if the $850 Billion defensive medicine claims goes down, the tax goes down! Simple as that!

 

[healthmyths]

I have YET had anyone respond much less refute the above! Come refute the fact defensive medicine is a total waste!!!

 

[Edgetho]

I spent over 20 years in the Insurance Industry. The last 15 of it, I owned my own Agency.

That's my bona fides.

We NEED the ACA. Unless you want Single Payer, we MUST have the ACA.

And trust me, you really, really, really don't want single payer.

I'm a Veteran. I get my Health Care through the gubmint. It's horrible. Worse than horrible -- It's criminal. Half those people would be indicted if they worked in the Private Sector.

You think you can control a government monster once you take the leash off? It's never worked in the history of Man.

We either fix the ACA or you need to get used to the idea of government Health Care.

And why should a 35 year-old making over $50k be forced to buy Health Insurance?

Because if that yuppie fuck wraps his 325i around a tree at 2:00AM and he needs VERY expensive life-saving surgery and months of follow-ups and rehab --

Guess who gets stuck with that bill?

YOU do. The Doctors and Hospitals 'cost-shift' it onto you. IOW, instead of paying $5k for a procedure, they have to charge you $10k to make up for the lost revenue from Senor Yuppie

And that is what makes laissez faire Health Insurance a really bad idea.

Trust me

 

[Edgetho]

Yes, Tort Reform should be at or near the top of the list of 'Things we need to fix in the ACA'. Lawyers are feeding on the American People like worms on a carcass. It's a major reason why Health Care is expensive and drugs are hard to get here, more expensive and why the rich can afford to go where drugs and procedures are more advanced. Ask Jimmy The Peanut Carter

In this Country, if a drug doesn't work out, the Company can face bankruptcy from the attacks of the parasitical lawyers.........

Better yet, just take them out and sh

 

[Papageorgio]

The 1% get elected to Congress, the 1% lobby Congress, do you honestly think they care what the middle class pays for a gallon of milk, or what the middle class pays for healthcare, or how the middle class is the ones burdened with big government? Obamacare hurt the middle class, not the poor, not the rich, the middle class.

Both Republicans and Democrats write laws that favor the rich, because they are the rich.

So how come at the end of 2011, there were 11 million millionaires versus 100 years ago when there were 207 people in the USA that had $1m income/ year.

Why are you so intent to take come from the rich when YOU could spend that time getting rich yourself?
Why are people like you so jealous of the rich when as the above statistics show there has been a 5,3014,010% INCREASE in millionaires!
Think about it. Are you that lazy or stupid that you can't get on your own make a success of your life?

Some 86% of millionaires say they made their own wealth, according to Fidelity’s 2012 Millionaire Outlook Survey. Of these self-made millionaires, 30% told Fidelity that they struggled financially when they were young. But fruitful careers in finance, accounting, or technical industries set them on a different financial path. The good news for you? Even a simple business idea can get you into their club.
10 Things You Didn't Know About Millionaires

I don't begrudge the rich, good for them. I work for a rich guy. I dislike that Congress caters to the rich and spit on the middle class. Congress is supposed to work for everyone, not the rich.

Can you give me ONE solid example of where "Congress caters to the rich and spit on the middle class"?
I'd like to know because it appears EVERYTHING that Obama has had Congress pass certainly by all appearances didn't help the rich.
MY goodness I'd certainly like to know what Obamacare was all about if it wasn't for the "middle class",etc.!

Obamacare helped the rich, it made it mandatory for people to carry health insurance. Big boon for the insurance companies, hurt the middle class.

Explain this then:
A New Threat to Obamacare Insurance companies are starting to pull out. Premiums are rising. Is the ACA doomed?
Insurance Companies Are Pulling Out. Premiums Are Rising. Is Obamacare Doomed?

UnitedHealth warns it may exit Obamacare plans
The nation's largest health insurer warned Thursday that it may pull out of the Obamacare exchanges after 2016 – forcing more than a half million people to find other coverage – after low enrollment and high usage cost the company millions of dollars.

The possible move by UnitedHealth Group raises new questions about the viability of President Obama's signature health law and follows the departure of more than half of the non-profit insurance cooperatives this year. If UnitedHealth drops out, consumers would lose one of the lowest-cost plans available in much of the country, and some wonder how smaller insurers could fill the void. .
UnitedHealth warns it may exit Obamacare plans

I hope it is doomed, it was poorly written and it is a terrible law. To require citizens to purchase anything as part of being legal citizens is wrong.

 

[Edgetho]

I hope it is doomed, it was poorly written and it is a terrible law. To require citizens to purchase anything as part of being legal citizens is wrong.

Wrong. It's called being Financially Responsible.

Most States have Financial Responsibility laws regarding Auto Insurance.

You can't just buy a clunker and run it on down the road. Most States require that you have Insurance so that you have the ability to pay for the damage you might do to Persons or their Property (Car)

Same with Health Insurance. I'm tired of Ricky Redneck refusing to buy Health Insurance because he'd rather get a set of Hooker Headers for his raggedy-assed Camaro, then he piles it into a Telephone Pole at 80 MPH and needs hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical care that he doesn't have the insurance to pay for.

Fuck him.

If you want to advocate that we let people bleed to death on the Hospital door steps, let's hear it.

Otherwise, we need to mandate Health Insurance.

Insurance is a psychologically difficult thing for the average person to process, to digest.

But that's okay. We just need to tell you that you have either get it or pay a BIG fucking fine. I'm thinking $10k every year you don't have it.