Ryan Says Presidents Don't Write Laws

[Oldstyle]

Who said the President "wrote" anything? Show me the written document. He can do certain things as Chief Executive that YOU, Mr. Ryan, have no control or say-so over. Other Presidents, including the last three Republican Presidents, have used this "tool" far more than President Obama.

Executive orders are just that EXECUTIVE, not legislative. Ryan needs to be reminded which group he is in. He needs to tend to the business of his own office, before opening his mouth with inappropriate statements. Just like he has done before in the military arena, he opens his mouth when he has zero military experience.

We have a system of government in the US that was set up by the Founding Fathers to prevent abuses of power by our leaders. What President Obama is threatening is an "end run" around that system of government. What Ryan rightly pointed out (and you've ignored) is that it isn't the number of times that President Obama has used Executive Orders...it's the significance of the orders. Paul Ryan is a part of Congress. We the people elected Congress to pass our laws for us. That doesn't cease to be simply because a sitting President doesn't like to compromise.

Thereis no end run around the laws of this nation. Executive orders are based in the executive powers of the Presidency. Congress writes laws that the President can sign or veto if it gets through both legislative houses. But once the administration of those laws comes into the equation, the Presidenthas authority to direct how an agency/bureau is administered.

The President does NOT have the power to unilaterally change the laws that Congress enacts by use of Executive Orders! I'm sorry, Shanty but that IS an end run around the laws of this nation. If what you were saying was true than what purpose would Congress have? They pass laws and the President ignores them and does what he likes? That's NOT the way our political system was designed and what Barack Obama is trying to do is extremely dangerous for the precedent that it sets.

 

[Bombur]

Staff and lobbyists write laws!

 

[kwc57]

or simply because a bunch of government saboteurs got elected as a vandalism stunt. Congress has the same responsibility to the country that you just assigned the president.
Your leaders told you that government does not work and by golly they made damned sure they were right, quit complaining that the government is broken, your guys broke it on purpose.

We have a system of government that is designed to make it difficult to pass controversial laws. That doesn't mean the system is "broken"...it means that it is doing EXACTLY what the Founding Fathers wanted.

Barack Obama needs to learn how to do his JOB. He needs to learn how to build political alliances to move legislation forward. Accusing the opposition of being "saboteurs" like you just did is what this President has done since day one of his Administration which is why the opposition hates his guts.

Making every single thing "controversial" and then obstructing it is a cheap cop-out. You know most of what they block is routine government business that really needs no major discussion. It's a ploy, a spiteful destructive scam job with few real winners and 300 million losers.

I love liberals crying obstruction when Harry Reid is sitting on a pile of legislation from the people's representatives that he refuses to entertain. Harry's picture is next to the word obstructionist in the dictionary.

 

[Oldstyle]

or simply because a bunch of government saboteurs got elected as a vandalism stunt. Congress has the same responsibility to the country that you just assigned the president.
Your leaders told you that government does not work and by golly they made damned sure they were right, quit complaining that the government is broken, your guys broke it on purpose.

We have a system of government that is designed to make it difficult to pass controversial laws. That doesn't mean the system is "broken"...it means that it is doing EXACTLY what the Founding Fathers wanted.

Barack Obama needs to learn how to do his JOB. He needs to learn how to build political alliances to move legislation forward. Accusing the opposition of being "saboteurs" like you just did is what this President has done since day one of his Administration which is why the opposition hates his guts.

"build political alliances" after "our job is to make Obama a 1-term President" Spare us your crocodile tears sport

The naivete of that statement is staggering, Dottie! It has ALWAYS been the "job" of the opposition elect their people at the next election. That didn't change when Barack Obama came into office. That was the case when George W. Bush was in office...that was the case when Ronald Reagan was in office...that was the case when EVERY President has been in office!

It is the job of a sitting President to build political majorities to move the country forward. That hasn't changed since Washington and will never change...a concept that Barack Obama failed to grasp because he came into office with majorities in the House and Senate and didn't NEED to build majorities! Instead...he gave his "Elections have consequences...I won!" speech to the Republicans at the very start of his Administration and then told them to go sit in the hall while the Democrats ran the show.

 

[natstew]

I am still waiting for someone, anyone, to show me in the U.S. Constitution where the President is authorized to issue Executive Orders other than in his duty to execute the Laws of the U.S. faithfully.

The Legislative Branch makes Laws, the Executive Branch executed those laws, and only those Laws made by the Legislative Branch. That's the way it's in the Constitution.
Don't agree? Don't understand the Constitution. It doesn't matter how long it's been done, precedence doesn't trump the Constitution. Every President who has issued E.O.'s outside the confines of the Constitution has violated the Constitution and his Oath Of Office!! PERIOD!!!

 

[natstew]

or simply because a bunch of government saboteurs got elected as a vandalism stunt. Congress has the same responsibility to the country that you just assigned the president.
Your leaders told you that government does not work and by golly they made damned sure they were right, quit complaining that the government is broken, your guys broke it on purpose.

We have a system of government that is designed to make it difficult to pass controversial laws. That doesn't mean the system is "broken"...it means that it is doing EXACTLY what the Founding Fathers wanted.

Barack Obama needs to learn how to do his JOB. He needs to learn how to build political alliances to move legislation forward. Accusing the opposition of being "saboteurs" like you just did is what this President has done since day one of his Administration which is why the opposition hates his guts.

"build political alliances" after "our job is to make Obama a 1-term President" Spare us your crocodile tears sport

Hey genius, Democrats did the same thing.

 

[Oldstyle]

For Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to have done their "our way or the highway" routine for the first two years of this Administration and then to whine about Republicans not helping them once they lost their majorities in the 2010 Mid Terms borders on farce.

When you poison the well you shouldn't be shocked that few are willing to join you later to drink from it.

 

[natstew]

I am still waiting for someone, anyone, to show me in the U.S. Constitution where the President is authorized to issue Executive Orders other than in his duty to execute the Laws of the U.S. faithfully.

The Legislative Branch makes Laws, the Executive Branch executed those laws, and only those Laws made by the Legislative Branch. That's the way it's in the Constitution.
Don't agree? Don't understand the Constitution. It doesn't matter how long it's been done, precedence doesn't trump the Constitution. Every President who has issued E.O.'s outside the confines of the Constitution has violated the Constitution and his Oath Of Office!! PERIOD!!!

What? No takers? I've got my Constitution right here in front of my eyes just waiting for Article and paragraph!! Come on you Liberal geniuses, show me!!

 

[Synthaholic]

We have a system of government in the US that was set up by the Founding Fathers to prevent abuses of power by our leaders. What President Obama is threatening is an "end run" around that system of government. What Ryan rightly pointed out (and you've ignored) is that it isn't the number of times that President Obama has used Executive Orders...it's the significance of the orders. Paul Ryan is a part of Congress. We the people elected Congress to pass our laws for us. That doesn't cease to be simply because a sitting President doesn't like to compromise.

Thereis no end run around the laws of this nation. Executive orders are based in the executive powers of the Presidency. Congress writes laws that the President can sign or veto if it gets through both legislative houses. But once the administration of those laws comes into the equation, the Presidenthas authority to direct how an agency/bureau is administered.

The President does NOT have the power to unilaterally change the laws that Congress enacts by use of Executive Orders! I'm sorry, Shanty but that IS an end run around the laws of this nation. If what you were saying was true than what purpose would Congress have? They pass laws and the President ignores them and does what he likes? That's NOT the way our political system was designed and what Barack Obama is trying to do is extremely dangerous for the precedent that it sets.

Then where is the court challenge?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Obama has utter contempt for the United States Constitution. This isn't really news. Yes, he flouts the fact that he does not obey our laws. BUT it is the job of the House to impeach him for this, so Ryan has no standing to complain.

The BIG question is "why should any citizen obey laws?"

There are two basic paradigms to law. A society of law is one where the majority accept the social contract and agree to subject themselves to the law. This has traditionally defined the model in the USA, with the notion that ALL are subject to the same laws. Nixon stepped down on this basic premise.

Clinton changed this, making it clear that laws were meant for the little people, and that powerful democrats were not subject to the laws which govern the peasantry.

The contempt Obama shows for the laws of this nation are merely a continuation of the precedent set by Clinton. When Obama pisses in the fact of the American people, and openly shits on the Constitution, he is simply furthering the agenda of the democratic party.

 

[Uncensored2008]

"build political alliances" after "our job is to make Obama a 1-term President" Spare us your crocodile tears sport

That was their job, the single most important job in the nation.

And they failed.

 

[Dot Com]

We have a system of government that is designed to make it difficult to pass controversial laws. That doesn't mean the system is "broken"...it means that it is doing EXACTLY what the Founding Fathers wanted.

Barack Obama needs to learn how to do his JOB. He needs to learn how to build political alliances to move legislation forward. Accusing the opposition of being "saboteurs" like you just did is what this President has done since day one of his Administration which is why the opposition hates his guts.

"build political alliances" after "our job is to make Obama a 1-term President" Spare us your crocodile tears sport

The naivete of that statement is staggering, Dottie! It has ALWAYS been the "job" of the opposition elect their people at the next election. That didn't change when Barack Obama came into office. That was the case when George W. Bush was in office...that was the case when Ronald Reagan was in office...that was the case when EVERY President has been in office!

It is the job of a sitting President to build political majorities to move the country forward. That hasn't changed since Washington and will never change...a concept that Barack Obama failed to grasp because he came into office with majorities in the House and Senate and didn't NEED to build majorities! Instead...he gave his "Elections have consequences...I won!" speech to the Republicans at the very start of his Administration and then told them to go sit in the hall while the Democrats ran the show.

What planet do you live on? The President wasted 4+ years trying to negotiate or, in your words- "build political alliances", w/ you people only to be delayed & obstructed for political purposes. Save it sport The "Party of No" can't negotiate w/ the President because of their purposely demonizing the President to appease their Base (you). THEY have painted themselves into a corner NOT the President. THEY (Repubs & people who vote for them) forced the President to seek other avenues to TCB.

I should really charge you people for "bringing you up to speed on political dynamics. You're either playing dumb or you are dumb. Which is it? [MENTION=31215]Oldstyle[/MENTION]

And the name is Dot Com not dottie sport

 

[OKTexas]

Thereis no end run around the laws of this nation. Executive orders are based in the executive powers of the Presidency. Congress writes laws that the President can sign or veto if it gets through both legislative houses. But once the administration of those laws comes into the equation, the Presidenthas authority to direct how an agency/bureau is administered.

The President does NOT have the power to unilaterally change the laws that Congress enacts by use of Executive Orders! I'm sorry, Shanty but that IS an end run around the laws of this nation. If what you were saying was true than what purpose would Congress have? They pass laws and the President ignores them and does what he likes? That's NOT the way our political system was designed and what Barack Obama is trying to do is extremely dangerous for the precedent that it sets.

Then where is the court challenge?

What individual person could demonstrate enough harm that they would have standing? The courts repression of our first amendment rights are counted on by the criminals in government.

 

[grunt11b]

What this REALLY illustrates is how inexperienced this President is with the legislative process. He doesn't work well with Congress because he doesn't understand the legislative process and has always been a failure at crafting legislation. I know...I know...that statement goes counter to the carefully constructed narrative that Barack Obama is the smartest person in the room but I stand by it. There is a reason why Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi did all of the heavy lifting on the legislation that bears Barack Obama's name and that reason is that Barack Obama doesn't have the skill set needed to perform that task. He was an epic failure as an Illinois State Senator before Emile Jones started feeding him other Democrat's legislation to affix his name to and then he continued to ride other Democrat's legislative coat tails once he got to the US Senate. Obama deferred to Reid and Pelosi because he didn't have the faintest idea how to craft legislation with the kind of scope that ObamaCare involved. It would be akin to asking someone who's dad built his soapbox derby car to build you a car for the Indianapolis 500.

I think he understands how it works just fine, he is just pushing the limit and precedent because he knows as long as he has a majority in the senate he will not be impeached. By establishing precedent he all but guarantees this will be abused by future presidents in order to undermine the system of government that was supposed to protect the people from government.

 

[The T]

Who said the President "wrote" anything? Show me the written document. He can do certain things as Chief Executive that YOU, Mr. Ryan, have no control or say-so over. Other Presidents, including the last three Republican Presidents, have used this "tool" far more than President Obama.

Executive orders are just that EXECUTIVE, not legislative. Ryan needs to be reminded which group he is in. He needs to tend to the business of his own office, before opening his mouth with inappropriate statements. Just like he has done before in the military arena, he opens his mouth when he has zero military experience.

We have a system of government in the US that was set up by the Founding Fathers to prevent abuses of power by our leaders. What President Obama is threatening is an "end run" around that system of government. What Ryan rightly pointed out (and you've ignored) is that it isn't the number of times that President Obama has used Executive Orders...it's the significance of the orders. Paul Ryan is a part of Congress. We the people elected Congress to pass our laws for us. That doesn't cease to be simply because a sitting President doesn't like to compromise.

And the lasting damage in their wake.

 

[The T]

We have a system of government that is designed to make it difficult to pass controversial laws. That doesn't mean the system is "broken"...it means that it is doing EXACTLY what the Founding Fathers wanted.

Barack Obama needs to learn how to do his JOB. He needs to learn how to build political alliances to move legislation forward. Accusing the opposition of being "saboteurs" like you just did is what this President has done since day one of his Administration which is why the opposition hates his guts.

Making every single thing "controversial" and then obstructing it is a cheap cop-out. You know most of what they block is routine government business that really needs no major discussion. It's a ploy, a spiteful destructive scam job with few real winners and 300 million losers.

I love liberals crying obstruction when Harry Reid is sitting on a pile of legislation from the people's representatives that he refuses to entertain. Harry's picture is next to the word obstructionist in the dictionary.

290+. Reid is a fucking power mongering TYRANT.

 

[whitehall]

Who said the President "wrote" anything? Show me the written document. He can do certain things as Chief Executive that YOU, Mr. Ryan, have no control or say-so over. Other Presidents, including the last three Republican Presidents, have used this "tool" far more than President Obama.

Executive orders are just that EXECUTIVE, not legislative. Ryan needs to be reminded which group he is in. He needs to tend to the business of his own office, before opening his mouth with inappropriate statements. Just like he has done before in the military arena, he opens his mouth when he has zero military experience.

Ryan needs to be reminded of what? Which group he is in? Like being a white guy? Obama needs to be reminded about which Country he is in. Republicans have issued some executive orders but democrats are guilty of some whoppers and get away with it because they are protected by the mainstream media. The problem for the lock step drooling liberals is that Americans are smarter than they were when FDR issued an executive order to lock up innocent American citizens behind barbed wire and Harry Truman issued an executive order that got 50,000 American Troops killed in Korea. It still isn't clear how LBJ got us into Vietnam. Maybe democrat presidents don't even have to issue executive orders, lies are good enough for the low information left.

 

[The T]

Who said the President "wrote" anything? Show me the written document. He can do certain things as Chief Executive that YOU, Mr. Ryan, have no control or say-so over. Other Presidents, including the last three Republican Presidents, have used this "tool" far more than President Obama.

Executive orders are just that EXECUTIVE, not legislative. Ryan needs to be reminded which group he is in. He needs to tend to the business of his own office, before opening his mouth with inappropriate statements. Just like he has done before in the military arena, he opens his mouth when he has zero military experience.

Ryan needs to be reminded of what? Which group he is in? Like being a white guy? Obama needs to be reminded about which Country he is in. Republicans have issued some executive orders but democrats are guilty of some whoppers and get away with it because they are protected by the mainstream media. The problem for the lock step drooling liberals is that Americans are smarter than they were when FDR issued an executive order to lock up innocent American citizens behind barbed wire and Harry Truman issued an executive order that got 50,000 American Troops killed in Korea. It still isn't clear how LBJ got us into Vietnam. Maybe democrat presidents don't even have to issue executive orders, lies are good enough for the low information left.

Kennedy got us into 'Nam...Johnson escalated it.

 

[whitehall]

Who said the President "wrote" anything? Show me the written document. He can do certain things as Chief Executive that YOU, Mr. Ryan, have no control or say-so over. Other Presidents, including the last three Republican Presidents, have used this "tool" far more than President Obama.

Executive orders are just that EXECUTIVE, not legislative. Ryan needs to be reminded which group he is in. He needs to tend to the business of his own office, before opening his mouth with inappropriate statements. Just like he has done before in the military arena, he opens his mouth when he has zero military experience.

Ryan needs to be reminded of what? Which group he is in? Like being a white guy? Obama needs to be reminded about which Country he is in. Republicans have issued some executive orders but democrats are guilty of some whoppers and get away with it because they are protected by the mainstream media. The problem for the lock step drooling liberals is that Americans are smarter than they were when FDR issued an executive order to lock up innocent American citizens behind barbed wire and Harry Truman issued an executive order that got 50,000 American Troops killed in Korea. It still isn't clear how LBJ got us into Vietnam. Maybe democrat presidents don't even have to issue executive orders, lies are good enough for the low information left.

Kennedy got us into 'Nam...Johnson escalated it.

I'm no defender of the phony "Camelot" administration created by the media but LBJ's "Tonkin Gulf" hoax is what got us into a shooting war in Vietnam.

 

[The T]

Ryan needs to be reminded of what? Which group he is in? Like being a white guy? Obama needs to be reminded about which Country he is in. Republicans have issued some executive orders but democrats are guilty of some whoppers and get away with it because they are protected by the mainstream media. The problem for the lock step drooling liberals is that Americans are smarter than they were when FDR issued an executive order to lock up innocent American citizens behind barbed wire and Harry Truman issued an executive order that got 50,000 American Troops killed in Korea. It still isn't clear how LBJ got us into Vietnam. Maybe democrat presidents don't even have to issue executive orders, lies are good enough for the low information left.

Kennedy got us into 'Nam...Johnson escalated it.

I'm no defender of the phony "Camelot" administration created by the media but LBJ's "Tonkin Gulf" hoax is what got us into a shooting war in Vietnam.

True.