Sandy Hook families can sue gun manufacturers.

[2aguy]

The violent crime rate has been going down as more Americans own and carry guns...that is a fact.....and the states with the most people carrying guns have seen the greatest decrease in violent crime.

Total utter crap. Credible links please. Europe, Australia, Canada and NZ have never ever had the gun ownership rates that the US have had and their violent crime resulting in death stats are WAY below that of the US. Try again....

Here you go.....gun crime up 4% in Britain..the land of gun control....

3/9/16
Birmingham’s Gun Quarter could have name change to avoid crime link


Homicides in England and Wales up 14%

The police-recorded crime figures include a 9% rise in knife crime and a 4% rise in gun crime, which are thought to reflect a rise in gang violence largely in London and Manchester.

The rise in gun crime is the first recorded for eight years and includes a 10% rise in London.
The official statisticians say that a 36% rise in sexual offences, including the highest number of rapes since 2003 – at 33,341 – reflect a greater willingness of victims to come forward to report such crimes rather than a real surge in attacks.

Hold on a sec, put it in perspective. If there were 100 gun murders in Britain last year, and there were 105 this year the rate has gone up 5 percent. If there were 9000 murders in the US last year and there were 9450 murders this year that is also 5 percent. Percentages are not relative to the actual numbers. 5 murders vs 450? Capice

Pure dumb luck stopped this mass shooting in Britain....

Here is the update, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?

Newcastle teenager Liam Lyburd found guilty of planning college massacre

teenager has been convicted of planning a massacre at his former college after stockpiling pipe bombs, a semi-automatic pistol and 94 hollow-point expanding bullets.

Liam Lyburd, 19, from Newcastle upon Tyne, followed online instructions to build the bombs, and bought the 9mm Glock handgun and bullets from a marketplace on the darknet.

Police found the weapons when they raided his home in November. The prosecution claimed he had planned to carry out a massacre at Newcastle College, a large further education institution with more than 18,000 students.

Lyburd studied there for about a month in September 2012. Police began investigating after reports of comments he posted online in which he discussed plans to massacre students. He had praised US high school shooters and the Norwegian mass-murderer Anders Breivik.

Yep.....pure, dumb luck....had this kid not posted his plans before the attack...there would have been a mass shooting in Britain...that was not stopped by their gun confiscation or their extreme gun control laws..........
19 years old, and he still got a pistol through their gun control laws.......
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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.

Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.

As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.

According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.

Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.

The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.

In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”

He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.

 

[2aguy]

The violent crime rate has been going down as more Americans own and carry guns...that is a fact.....and the states with the most people carrying guns have seen the greatest decrease in violent crime.

Total utter crap. Credible links please. Europe, Australia, Canada and NZ have never ever had the gun ownership rates that the US have had and their violent crime resulting in death stats are WAY below that of the US. Try again....

Here you go.....gun crime up 4% in Britain..the land of gun control....

3/9/16
Birmingham’s Gun Quarter could have name change to avoid crime link


Homicides in England and Wales up 14%

The police-recorded crime figures include a 9% rise in knife crime and a 4% rise in gun crime, which are thought to reflect a rise in gang violence largely in London and Manchester.

The rise in gun crime is the first recorded for eight years and includes a 10% rise in London.
The official statisticians say that a 36% rise in sexual offences, including the highest number of rapes since 2003 – at 33,341 – reflect a greater willingness of victims to come forward to report such crimes rather than a real surge in attacks.

Hold on a sec, put it in perspective. If there were 100 gun murders in Britain last year, and there were 105 this year the rate has gone up 5 percent. If there were 9000 murders in the US last year and there were 9450 murders this year that is also 5 percent. Percentages are not relative to the actual numbers. 5 murders vs 450? Capice

Here you go....story after story about increasing gun crime in Britain.....where they confiscated guns and have extreme gun control...

Rise in sub-machine guns on London streets

Scotland Yard today said police are seizing more deadly automatic weapons from criminals in London as detectives revealed that an innocent bystander was gunned down with a suspected Skorpion sub-machine gun last month .
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New figures seen by the Standard show that police seized 18 sub-machine guns from criminals in the capital last year, compared to 13 similar weapons in 2014.

Police also revealed that sub-machine guns had been fired in London 11 times in the last 12 months, compared to seven times the year before.

In October last year three plain clothes officers escaped injury despite being shot at by a sub-machine gun - also thought to be a Skorpion - when they were carrying out inquiries in Willesden.

Today police said there had been a “worrying” increase in the use of automatic weapons but they were seizing more of the weapons from criminals.


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3/9/16

Birmingham’s Gun Quarter could have name change to avoid crime link
Birmingham shootings - police to 're-double' their efforts to tackle worrying increase

Birmingham is in the grip of a spate of gun crime according to the region’s top policeman who admitted today that shootings are happening in some areas with “concerning regularity.”

Deputy Chief Constable Dave Thompson told the West Midlands Police and Crime Board that he had not seen as many shootings in the five years that he had been with the force.

Describing how the problem of gun crime had “come back” he said he was growing increasingly concerned about the availability of weapons and ammunition on the streets.

But he also vowed to take on the gun gangsters saying he was confident that those responsible for the spate of recent shootings would be brought to justice with support from local communities.

Speaking about the rise in gun crime he said: “It’s fair to say that the problem has come back and we need to re-double our efforts.

“We have had some very serious incidents and there has been a concerning regularity of shootings that I have not seen in the five years that I have been here.



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Feb. 2, 2016....

Gang turf war behind 20 Birmingham shootings, police chief reveals

Police have revealed a gang turf war is to blame for at least 20 shootings in Birmingham in less than a year.
Assistant Chief Constable Carl Foulkes will tell the Police and Crime Board on Tuesday that the spiralling number of incidents is linked to just two city gangs - but they have not been named.

He will say six of 20 “known” shootings took place over one August Bank Holiday weekend and warned tensions mounted further after four people were wounded in a drive-by shooting outside a Costcutter shop in Hockley in October.

ACC Foulkes’s report comes after new Chief Constable Dave Thompson said last month that shootings were happening in Birmingham with “concerning regularity”. He said he had not seen as many gun incidents in his five years with the force.
As well as the gang-related incidents, ACC Foulkes will also tell the Board that there were seven unrelated shootings in East Birmingham over Christmas and New Year.

To combat the spiralling violence the force has already mounted 23 tactical firearm operations involving armed officers in January alone and has increased firearm patrols in “specific areas” across the West and Central area.
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Police to start armed patrols in London's gang crime hotspots

Scotland Yard is deploying armed patrols in gang crime neighbourhoods this week in a tough crackdown on youth violence.


Marksmen in armed response vehicles are being targeted to wards with high gang tensions and the highest number of gun discharges in the capital.


The move is part of a week long initiative to tackle a surge in gun discharges and gang crime offences in London.

Wow...even British teenage thugs like fully automatic weapons.....

The move comes amid concern about the number of teenage homicides in London this year and a resurgence in gang activity.

In another drive against firearms in the week after the Paris atrocity, police seized 17 guns - including a fully loaded Mac-10 machine gun found hidden in a house in north London, it was revealed today.

 

[Papageorgio]

I would imagine that the manufacturers are nervous about having their marketing operations laid bare in a court room. We know that tobacco and alcohol have been massive conspiracies against the public and the marketing of both has been reined in.

From a distance America looks like a very violent society and I understand why people would want to have guns for self protection.

But to wave away concerns when toddlers get mown down in school is shocking.When does gun ownership become a problem ?
The gun lobby appears to be saying that nothing needs to be done. That is a breathtakingly complacent standpoint that is racking up its own body count every year.

It is obvious that something has to change. What can be done to head off another atrocity ?

Yes, stay away from America. Do not come here it is very dangerous.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The violent crime rate has been going down as more Americans own and carry guns...that is a fact.....and the states with the most people carrying guns have seen the greatest decrease in violent crime.

Total utter crap. Credible links please. Europe, Australia, Canada and NZ have never ever had the gun ownership rates that the US have had and their violent crime resulting in death stats are WAY below that of the US. Try again....

Here you go.....gun crime up 4% in Britain..the land of gun control....

3/9/16
Birmingham’s Gun Quarter could have name change to avoid crime link


Homicides in England and Wales up 14%

The police-recorded crime figures include a 9% rise in knife crime and a 4% rise in gun crime, which are thought to reflect a rise in gang violence largely in London and Manchester.

The rise in gun crime is the first recorded for eight years and includes a 10% rise in London.
The official statisticians say that a 36% rise in sexual offences, including the highest number of rapes since 2003 – at 33,341 – reflect a greater willingness of victims to come forward to report such crimes rather than a real surge in attacks.

Hold on a sec, put it in perspective. If there were 100 gun murders in Britain last year, and there were 105 this year the rate has gone up 5 percent. If there were 9000 murders in the US last year and there were 9450 murders this year that is also 5 percent. Percentages are not relative to the actual numbers. 5 murders vs 450? Capice

Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people) | Data | Table
The stats are pretty straightforward.You are 4 times more likely to be murdered in the US than the UK.In fact all of Western Europe is a lot safer than the States.

 

[2aguy]

The violent crime rate has been going down as more Americans own and carry guns...that is a fact.....and the states with the most people carrying guns have seen the greatest decrease in violent crime.

Total utter crap. Credible links please. Europe, Australia, Canada and NZ have never ever had the gun ownership rates that the US have had and their violent crime resulting in death stats are WAY below that of the US. Try again....

Here you go.....gun crime up 4% in Britain..the land of gun control....

3/9/16
Birmingham’s Gun Quarter could have name change to avoid crime link


Homicides in England and Wales up 14%

The police-recorded crime figures include a 9% rise in knife crime and a 4% rise in gun crime, which are thought to reflect a rise in gang violence largely in London and Manchester.

The rise in gun crime is the first recorded for eight years and includes a 10% rise in London.
The official statisticians say that a 36% rise in sexual offences, including the highest number of rapes since 2003 – at 33,341 – reflect a greater willingness of victims to come forward to report such crimes rather than a real surge in attacks.

Hold on a sec, put it in perspective. If there were 100 gun murders in Britain last year, and there were 105 this year the rate has gone up 5 percent. If there were 9000 murders in the US last year and there were 9450 murders this year that is also 5 percent. Percentages are not relative to the actual numbers. 5 murders vs 450? Capice

Okay...tell me that these shooting incidents weren't stopped only through the dumb luck that the shooters just didn't decide to be mass shooters.......since they had guns, they had access to public places...and yet they just didn't shoot public places up.....how did Australian gun laws prevent these from being mass shootings....

And note the actual mass shootings at Monash.....

Okay....I have isolated shooting incidents in Australia that could just as easily have turned into mass shooting events......look below.....and the only thing that kept some of these shootings from being mass shootings is pure dumb luck...

So no, the gun confiscation in Austrulia did not stop mass shootings....dumb luck did.....since all of these shooters had no trouble getting guns.....right?


Tell me.....how is anything other than luck that kept these from being mass shootings...since the shooter obviously was able to get a gun and shoot people in gun free Australia...right?

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

25 January 1996 – Hillcrest murders – Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in the Brisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]

• 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.

• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.

• • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.

• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]

• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.

• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]

• 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]

• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
• 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]

• 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed

• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]

• 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.

• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.

• 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I would imagine that the manufacturers are nervous about having their marketing operations laid bare in a court room. We know that tobacco and alcohol have been massive conspiracies against the public and the marketing of both has been reined in.

From a distance America looks like a very violent society and I understand why people would want to have guns for self protection.

But to wave away concerns when toddlers get mown down in school is shocking.When does gun ownership become a problem ?
The gun lobby appears to be saying that nothing needs to be done. That is a breathtakingly complacent standpoint that is racking up its own body count every year.

It is obvious that something has to change. What can be done to head off another atrocity ?

How often do kids get mowed down in schools...? do you realize that the worst school shootings have happened in Europe? the land of gun control...

The gun lobby knowst he truth....

320,000,000 million guns in private hands.....

505 accidental gun deaths vs. 35,000 accidental car deaths.

1.500,000 million times guns are used for self defense vs. 8,124 gun murders which are majority criminal on criminal crimes...

And as more Americans own and carry guns....our violent crime rate has been going down, and our gun murder rate has been going down, and our gun suicide rate has gone down.....

So the facts, the truth and the reality are on the side of the gun rights activists....

So nothing needs to be done then ? There isnt one little thing that could help ?

Yes.....this is what would actually help......when someone commits a crime with a gun....especially a felon caught in illegal possession of a gun, put them in prison for a long time. The problem we actually have is that prosecutors and judges are not putting violent criminals, charged on illegal gun possession, and other crimes, in jail for long periods of time. The prosectuors are throwing out the gun charges as bargaining chips.....when they could get 10 years for just the possession by a felon....it is just nuts.

Normal people are not using guns to commit crimes.....but the legal system is not dealing with actual violent gun criminals.....I posted before that the criminals who shot up the Back of the Yards neighborhood park....had both had previous gun possession and violent crime convictions...they should have been in jail for at least 10 years.....the prosecutors and the judge redirected them to "Boot camps" and they were out in under 3 years...and months after their release they shot up a park in Chicago.....

The gang member, convicted felon, who shot the girl in Obama's chicago neighborhood....he had been arrested as a felon on a felony weapons possession charge...was out in 3 days pending trial, and used a gun to accidentally shoot the girl not a month later.......

We can do a lot to reduce the gun violence we have...we just have to focus on the actual problem...actual criminals.

Your solution would not have had any effect on the Sandy Hook child massacre. What can be done to prevent events like these ?

 

[2aguy]

The violent crime rate has been going down as more Americans own and carry guns...that is a fact.....and the states with the most people carrying guns have seen the greatest decrease in violent crime.

Total utter crap. Credible links please. Europe, Australia, Canada and NZ have never ever had the gun ownership rates that the US have had and their violent crime resulting in death stats are WAY below that of the US. Try again....

Here you go.....gun crime up 4% in Britain..the land of gun control....

3/9/16
Birmingham’s Gun Quarter could have name change to avoid crime link


Homicides in England and Wales up 14%

The police-recorded crime figures include a 9% rise in knife crime and a 4% rise in gun crime, which are thought to reflect a rise in gang violence largely in London and Manchester.

The rise in gun crime is the first recorded for eight years and includes a 10% rise in London.
The official statisticians say that a 36% rise in sexual offences, including the highest number of rapes since 2003 – at 33,341 – reflect a greater willingness of victims to come forward to report such crimes rather than a real surge in attacks.

Hold on a sec, put it in perspective. If there were 100 gun murders in Britain last year, and there were 105 this year the rate has gone up 5 percent. If there were 9000 murders in the US last year and there were 9450 murders this year that is also 5 percent. Percentages are not relative to the actual numbers. 5 murders vs 450? Capice

Intentional homicides (per 100,000 people) | Data | Table
The stats are pretty straightforward.You are 4 times more likely to be murdered in the US than the UK.In fact all of Western Europe is a lot safer than the States.

Yes...not because of guns...but because our criminals pull the trigger and commit murder more often. The only thing keeping your murder rates low is that your criminals don't commit murder as often.....but that is changing.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

Yes, when you don't have a coherent answer, go back to your dick obsession. When you do that, we know you lost the debate.

Actually, that's really the answer at the end of the day.

You want a gun because you feel inadequate. The gun gives you the illusion you can compensate for your inadequacies.

Lame!

 

[Dr Grump]

[

Wrong...there have been at least 3 and more than a few that would have been mass shootings if the shooter had simply decided to kill more people...last year you had two islamic terrorists with illegal guns......they could have gone to a mall, or a school...the one went to a starbucks, the other one, a 16 year old immigrant muslim shot a police office worker...had either one targeted a public place and just started shooting....they would have been mass shooters....

Not one gun law in Australia stopped the two of them last year....pure, dumb luck did......

Oh, god, my Alzhiemers has kicked in. I'd forgotten I'd dealt with you before. Pointless exercise. Totally misinformed and hasn't a clue..

<walks off banging hands against head at the stupidity of engaging with such a moron>

 

[Yousaidwhat]

And the gun makers lose milliions defending themselves against law suits that should have been stopped by a responsible judge...there is no merit in the case...but the left wing, anti gun judge sees this as an opportunity to destroy Bushmaster.....so he let the case go forward....they also hope to have a Supreme Court in place should the case make it all the way there...then they can destroy every gun maker in the country.

And this would be a bad thing, why?

This is an industry that thrives off of death and fear. They've flooded our streets with weapons to the point where most of us are afraid to go out at night. Now some of their victims are going to put them out of business.

You're afraid to go out at night?

That's on you ,Slick.

What does that have to do with my firearms?

 

[bripat9643]

Most killing are committed by gang members. They kill each other off, and these killings are a blessing to the community.

We have 16,000 homicides a year in this country, of which only 1800 a year a gang related. Most of the rest are domestic arguments that got out of hand.

I doubt that's the case. Have you got any links to back that claim?

 

[2aguy]

I would imagine that the manufacturers are nervous about having their marketing operations laid bare in a court room. We know that tobacco and alcohol have been massive conspiracies against the public and the marketing of both has been reined in.

From a distance America looks like a very violent society and I understand why people would want to have guns for self protection.

But to wave away concerns when toddlers get mown down in school is shocking.When does gun ownership become a problem ?
The gun lobby appears to be saying that nothing needs to be done. That is a breathtakingly complacent standpoint that is racking up its own body count every year.

It is obvious that something has to change. What can be done to head off another atrocity ?

How often do kids get mowed down in schools...? do you realize that the worst school shootings have happened in Europe? the land of gun control...

The gun lobby knowst he truth....

320,000,000 million guns in private hands.....

505 accidental gun deaths vs. 35,000 accidental car deaths.

1.500,000 million times guns are used for self defense vs. 8,124 gun murders which are majority criminal on criminal crimes...

And as more Americans own and carry guns....our violent crime rate has been going down, and our gun murder rate has been going down, and our gun suicide rate has gone down.....

So the facts, the truth and the reality are on the side of the gun rights activists....

So nothing needs to be done then ? There isnt one little thing that could help ?

Yes.....this is what would actually help......when someone commits a crime with a gun....especially a felon caught in illegal possession of a gun, put them in prison for a long time. The problem we actually have is that prosecutors and judges are not putting violent criminals, charged on illegal gun possession, and other crimes, in jail for long periods of time. The prosectuors are throwing out the gun charges as bargaining chips.....when they could get 10 years for just the possession by a felon....it is just nuts.

Normal people are not using guns to commit crimes.....but the legal system is not dealing with actual violent gun criminals.....I posted before that the criminals who shot up the Back of the Yards neighborhood park....had both had previous gun possession and violent crime convictions...they should have been in jail for at least 10 years.....the prosecutors and the judge redirected them to "Boot camps" and they were out in under 3 years...and months after their release they shot up a park in Chicago.....

The gang member, convicted felon, who shot the girl in Obama's chicago neighborhood....he had been arrested as a felon on a felony weapons possession charge...was out in 3 days pending trial, and used a gun to accidentally shoot the girl not a month later.......

We can do a lot to reduce the gun violence we have...we just have to focus on the actual problem...actual criminals.

Your solution would not have had any effect on the Sandy Hook child massacre. What can be done to prevent events like these ?

First....they need to end gun free zones......gun free zones are the targets of guys like this....every mass shooting we have had was in a gun free zone. The shooter at Sandy Hook also had attended the middle school and the high school...and had scouted all 3 locations....why did he choose Sandy hook....because the middle school and the high school had armed security....

The same goes for the Colorado theater shooter...picked a gun free zone theater over an airport because he had in his notes the airport had armed security...

The same goes or the Santa barbara shooter who wanted to shoot up an outdoor fair but knew there would be armed police there.....

the same for the Carolina church shooter...he wanted to shoot up a university but decided not to because of the armed security...so he chose the unarmed church...

And recently, an isis inspired jihadi was caught...he said he was going to shoot up a mega church, with 6,000 people...because he knew guns were not allowed there......

Gun free zones have to end.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

[

Wow, what a state of denial. Her guns were secured, yet your mind just won't accept that.

Obviously, they weren't secure if he got to them.

They weren't secure because he killed her. Prior to that?

 

[boedicca]

I voted "Other": If the crime victim is a gun owner whose gun proved to be defective and did not work properly in a self-defense situation, and said owner was subsequently harmed, then Yes, said victim & gun owner should be able to sue the gun manufacturer.

 

[bripat9643]

People use guns to protect themselves from crime 1 - 2 million times a year. Many of those people could have been raped or killed. You math doesn't include those figures.

Yes, my figures do not include Unicorn farts, either.

DGU's are a lie. They almost never happen.

That's why it's pointless to argue with a douche bag like you, Joe: you're totally out of touch with reality.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

No, a gun gives you protection from violent Democrats. Like I stated before, the only way we can get rid of guns is if we get rid of liberals first. If we can get rid of Democrats, our violent crime rate would drop by at least 80%.

But as long as we do have Democrats, we need guns to protect ourselves.

Why don't you just say the N'word like you really want to, guy. It would be more honest.

And there it is... The race card.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

All we have to do is advertise your views on guns to the public and it would sell a million more guns.........

Yes, because my opinion carries so much weight.

Guy, only 22% of the population owns guns. You are in the minority. And even a lot of gun owners think people like you who want to shoot government officials are kind of nuts.

Who's talking about shooting gov't officials?

 

[bripat9643]

Exactly. Last week in a nearby community, some violent thug kidnapped his girlfriend and set her mothers house on fire. They got out of the Cleveland area for obvious reasons, and went to PA. He tried to break into somebody's home I'm assuming for a place to hide from the police. His plan would have worked fine if not for the armed homeowner who put a bullet in the SOB. The police came by and took him into custody.

Who knows what would have happened to that young girl if the homeowner was not armed. He not only saved his life, but hers as well.

we have 33,000 gun deaths a year in this country. Of those, only 200 a year involve citizens killing bad guys in justifiable homicides. (I don't count police shootings, because they can practically gun down a child in the street and have it called "Justified" if the child is black)

Sorry, DGU's dont happen often enough to justify the carnage.

The number of people killed is a bogus leftwing douche bag way to measure DGUs. When guns are used in self defense, they are almost never fired. Simply pointing the weapon at the perpetrator is sufficient.

 

[2aguy]

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Wrong...there have been at least 3 and more than a few that would have been mass shootings if the shooter had simply decided to kill more people...last year you had two islamic terrorists with illegal guns......they could have gone to a mall, or a school...the one went to a starbucks, the other one, a 16 year old immigrant muslim shot a police office worker...had either one targeted a public place and just started shooting....they would have been mass shooters....

Not one gun law in Australia stopped the two of them last year....pure, dumb luck did......

Oh, god, my Alzhiemers has kicked in. I'd forgotten I'd dealt with you before. Pointless exercise. Totally misinformed and hasn't a clue..

<walks off banging hands against head at the stupidity of engaging with such a moron>

Yes....the truth, the facts and reality.......you can't deal with them...

Before you go....please explain how these gun crimes were stopped by Australian gun laws...and they are all after the confiscation....

And also explain how they were kept from being mass shootings by Australian gun laws.....since the shooter is the only one who made that decision not to shoot more people.......

Notice the actual mass shootings...after the confiscation...which you said did not happen...

I count about 5......and the rest.....were mass shootings stopped by dumb luck...


Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

25 January 1996 – Hillcrest murders – Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in theBrisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]

• 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.

• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.

• • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.

• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]

• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.

• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]

• 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]

• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
• 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]

• 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed

• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]

• 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.

• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.

• 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.

 

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Wrong ...... before they confiscated their guns their gun crime rates were incredibly low already because of cultural differences in their criminal sub cultures..........in fact, in Britain....after they confiscated guns their gun crime rate spiked, and then returned to the same level as before the confiscation...

And if fact...gun crime in Britain is up 4%...and they are now arming more police....

Australia...gun ownership levels are the same as they were before the confiscation...and they are seeing more gun crime...

they are catching up to us....

The only difference...our criminals pull the trigger more often to commit murder.......the criminals in Britain and Australia and Europe can get guns easily...they just don't commit murder.....

Again, total, utter crap. I am a NZer and have lived in Australia for 8 years. Also lived in Britain. Gun ownership rates have always been very low in these countries. Also, you have to go through much more stringent processes to own guns - police checks, sit a test for a license etc. BTW, I can still own a gun in all three countries if I wish, as long as I go through the process.

We are seeing fuck all gun crime down here compared to you. 90 percent of gun crime in Oz is gang and drug related.

Getting a gun in Britain and Oz is a lot harder than you think.

As for catching up, it will never happen in my lifetime

90% of all gun murder is gang and drug related here too....twit.