Sarah Brady has died

[Kondor3]

...So, you immediately concede that registration will lead to house to house searches of citizens...

The twists and turns of this example of paranoid and convoluted logic are far too tortuous for a sane man to want to bother trying to untangle.

Not to mention the juvenile attempt to put words into the mouth of a colleague, who neither articulated such a thing, nor established conditions implying such a thing, to a reasonable man.

Violators of Registration and Licensing laws will become known over time as those arms are detected on their persons when out-and-about in the world, and, of course, existing records of sales and transfers and - in some jurisdictions - existing registration and licensing databases - and reports to authorities - will serve to unmask a great many violators.

There is neither a need nor a mandate nor an empowerment to conduct house-to-house searches for firearms, and, under any circumstance wherein there is sufficient evidence of violation to merit a search warrant, that would be undertaken in a manner identical to any other legal home search already provided for in the Constitution and subsequent statute.

...You have now relegated yourself to person unworthy of reply (except maybe by accident, I don't use the IGNORE feature)...

Suit yourself. No skin off my nose.

...Have a Happy Deluded Easter.

You too.

 

[turtledude]

You can't have well regulated militias without gun registration

Are you saying the militias at the time the Constitution was written registered their guns. Doubt it.

They knew everyone who was in their militia and what weapons they had

What we call....well regulated

The People are the Ultimate Militia and, as such, should not begrudge the registration of firearms and the licensing of owners, and standards for vetting and usage-training and storage and transport and carry and sale and transfer and disposal.

None of that detracts from one's right to own them, so long as they meet society's standards for ownership.

It is clear to even the worst dullard that we need to find a way to reduce the number of guns in the hands of criminals and the incompetent or dangerous amongst us.

There is no way other than to set national standards and to employ centralized data management and to enforce them.

Done right, such changes are likely to greatly reduce the number of sources for illegal (un-registered or stolen) firearms and to greatly improve the gun-ownership climate for ordinary citizens, under circumstances where the public-at-large may rest easy that sales, transfers, training, registration, licensure, transport, etc., are all being done right.

Very little difference, in the long run, from registering your vehicle and obtaining a license for it and yourself, and undergoing initial and/or refresher training, and undertaking periodic competency testing, and having all that registered in a centralized database.

If we can do that with our road-vehicles (and airplanes and boats, for that matter), there is no reason why we cannot do the same with firearms, which pose a mortal danger when used improperly or when fallen into the wrong hands.

There are a variety of rights and privileges outlined or implicit or derived from the verbiage in the US Constitution, which are reasonably-well regulated, through registration and licensure and the like.

It's time to stop freaking-out and being paranoid about The Gubmint taking our guns, and acknowledging the sanity and higher degree of safety that such an approach brings.

The Second Amendment - in its current mode of interpretation - should be allowed to stand indefinitely.

The Gun-Grabbers cannot have the guns.

But the Gun-Rights folks need to budge, as well, in order to keep the peace, and to put this matter to rest, once and for all.

And, frankly, that 'budge' is going to consist of a better approach, at the national level, and integrating the work of the States, to register and license firearms and owners.

That's just the way it's going to be.

It's not a question of "IF".

It's merely a question of "WHEN".

Might as well bite-the-bullet and get this over with, rather than spend more years pointlessly burning-up energy, trying to sweep back the sea with a broom.

Registration is the step necessary for confiscation.

You want a really bloody civil war in this country, start trying confiscation.

I register my car every year

Hasn't been confiscated

how much does that cost you and what part of the constitution has owning a car in it

moron

 

[turtledude]

...So, you immediately concede that registration will lead to house to house searches of citizens...

The twists and turns of this example of paranoid and convoluted logic are far too tortuous for a sane man to want to bother trying to untangle.

Not to mention the juvenile attempt to put words into the mouth of a colleague, who neither articulated such a thing, nor established conditions implying such a thing, to a reasonable man.

Violators of Registration and Licensing laws will become known over time as those arms are detected on their persons when out-and-about in the world, and, of course, existing records of sales and transfers and - in some jurisdictions - existing registration and licensing databases - and reports to authorities - will serve to unmask a great many violators.

There is neither a need nor a mandate nor an empowerment to conduct house-to-house searches for firearms, and, under any circumstance wherein there is sufficient evidence of violation to merit a search warrant, that would be undertaken in a manner identical to any other legal home search already provided for in the Constitution and subsequent statute.

...You have now relegated yourself to person unworthy of reply (except maybe by accident, I don't use the IGNORE feature)...

Suit yourself. No skin off my nose.

...Have a Happy Deluded Easter.

You too.

sadly you appear to be a fascist

 

[turtledude]

so if you are going away for life for merely owning a gun...

Not for OWNING a gun... for owning an UNREGISTERED gun... or owning a gun without a personal LICENSE to do so... get it right, eh?

...law that violates the constitution...

Firearms registration and owner licensing laws at the State level have withstood the scrutiny of the courts time and again, in a Constitutional context.

I cannot imagine that a series of Federal laws and regulations pertaining to Standards and Centralized Databases for such purposes would violate it, either.

...Better yet, such a person should target the scum who passed such a unconstitutional law.

If you act in contravention to the Will of the People in committing such violence you will be crushed without mercy, no doubt.

what part of shall not be infringed don't you get? where does the federal government get the proper power to demand people register guns they already own?

I guess the part about well regulated militias

I guess the part about shall not be infringed . . .

Don't think I should own guns, be a man and attempt to take them from me. Bet you won't try.

You can't have well regulated militias without gun registration

that's stupid.

 

[turtledude]

...Why would you push registration when it will do absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting and using guns.....?

Unless the penalty for being caught with an un-registered gun, or being caught with any gun - registered or not - without a License - is so frigging draconian that it scares the shit out of the average second-story man who might want to carry one.

so if you are going away for life for merely owning a gun...

Not for OWNING a gun... for owning an UNREGISTERED gun... or owning a gun without a personal LICENSE to do so... get it right, eh?

...law that violates the constitution...

Firearms registration and owner licensing laws at the State level have withstood the scrutiny of the courts time and again, in a Constitutional context.

I cannot imagine that a series of Federal laws and regulations pertaining to Standards and Centralized Databases for such purposes would violate it, either.

...Better yet, such a person should target the scum who passed such a unconstitutional law.

If you act in contravention to the Will of the People in committing such violence you will be crushed without mercy, no doubt.

what part of shall not be infringed don't you get? where does the federal government get the proper power to demand people register guns they already own?

The next time you go to an NFL game, a school, amusement park, etc. where you`re required to go through a metal detector, give the police your cute little speech about infringement. Cops enjoy a good laugh every now and then. I know I do. That`s why I come here.

I guess you are too stupid to understand the difference between prohibited federal infringement and state police powers and I guess you are also too stupid to understand that the 2A applies to governments not private actors like the owners of a stadium or a football league

I know more about this legal area than you could ever hope to understand you stupid twit so it is I who is going to laugh at your teeming idiocy

 

[turtledude]

...Why would you push registration when it will do absolutely nothing to stop criminals from getting and using guns.....?

Unless the penalty for being caught with an un-registered gun, or being caught with any gun - registered or not - without a License - is so frigging draconian that it scares the shit out of the average second-story man who might want to carry one.

so if you are going away for life for merely owning a gun...

Not for OWNING a gun... for owning an UNREGISTERED gun... or owning a gun without a personal LICENSE to do so... get it right, eh?

...law that violates the constitution...

Firearms registration and owner licensing laws at the State level have withstood the scrutiny of the courts time and again, in a Constitutional context.

I cannot imagine that a series of Federal laws and regulations pertaining to Standards and Centralized Databases for such purposes would violate it, either.

...Better yet, such a person should target the scum who passed such a unconstitutional law.

If you act in contravention to the Will of the People in committing such violence you will be crushed without mercy, no doubt.

what part of shall not be infringed don't you get? where does the federal government get the proper power to demand people register guns they already own?

I guess the part about well regulated militias

so you believe that the Bill of Rights was intended to grant the federal government powers?

LOL-that demonstrates how clueless you are about the constitution. The bill of rights granted the federal government ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

 

[whitehall]

A "great American" takes up a political cause, however unpopular, from a moral standpoint. A person who takes up a political crusade because he/she has been injured is reacting out of anger and emotion and sometimes ignorance. Sara Brady couldn't face the fact that her husband was shot by a vicious assassin who was determined to murder the president so she blamed society. It should be noted that libs probably smiled a little bit when Hinckley was found not guilty by reason of insanity and sentenced to a hospital when he was probably as sane as Sara Brady.

 

[rightwinger]

Are you saying the militias at the time the Constitution was written registered their guns. Doubt it.

They knew everyone who was in their militia and what weapons they had

What we call....well regulated

The People are the Ultimate Militia and, as such, should not begrudge the registration of firearms and the licensing of owners, and standards for vetting and usage-training and storage and transport and carry and sale and transfer and disposal.

None of that detracts from one's right to own them, so long as they meet society's standards for ownership.

It is clear to even the worst dullard that we need to find a way to reduce the number of guns in the hands of criminals and the incompetent or dangerous amongst us.

There is no way other than to set national standards and to employ centralized data management and to enforce them.

Done right, such changes are likely to greatly reduce the number of sources for illegal (un-registered or stolen) firearms and to greatly improve the gun-ownership climate for ordinary citizens, under circumstances where the public-at-large may rest easy that sales, transfers, training, registration, licensure, transport, etc., are all being done right.

Very little difference, in the long run, from registering your vehicle and obtaining a license for it and yourself, and undergoing initial and/or refresher training, and undertaking periodic competency testing, and having all that registered in a centralized database.

If we can do that with our road-vehicles (and airplanes and boats, for that matter), there is no reason why we cannot do the same with firearms, which pose a mortal danger when used improperly or when fallen into the wrong hands.

There are a variety of rights and privileges outlined or implicit or derived from the verbiage in the US Constitution, which are reasonably-well regulated, through registration and licensure and the like.

It's time to stop freaking-out and being paranoid about The Gubmint taking our guns, and acknowledging the sanity and higher degree of safety that such an approach brings.

The Second Amendment - in its current mode of interpretation - should be allowed to stand indefinitely.

The Gun-Grabbers cannot have the guns.

But the Gun-Rights folks need to budge, as well, in order to keep the peace, and to put this matter to rest, once and for all.

And, frankly, that 'budge' is going to consist of a better approach, at the national level, and integrating the work of the States, to register and license firearms and owners.

That's just the way it's going to be.

It's not a question of "IF".

It's merely a question of "WHEN".

Might as well bite-the-bullet and get this over with, rather than spend more years pointlessly burning-up energy, trying to sweep back the sea with a broom.

Registration is the step necessary for confiscation.

You want a really bloody civil war in this country, start trying confiscation.

I register my car every year

Hasn't been confiscated

how much does that cost you and what part of the constitution has owning a car in it

moron

Maybe the part that requires a well regulated militia

How do we regulate a militia without knowing who has guns and what type of gun they have

The second amendment encourages gun registration and licensing

 

[rightwinger]

Unless the penalty for being caught with an un-registered gun, or being caught with any gun - registered or not - without a License - is so frigging draconian that it scares the shit out of the average second-story man who might want to carry one.

so if you are going away for life for merely owning a gun...

Not for OWNING a gun... for owning an UNREGISTERED gun... or owning a gun without a personal LICENSE to do so... get it right, eh?

...law that violates the constitution...

Firearms registration and owner licensing laws at the State level have withstood the scrutiny of the courts time and again, in a Constitutional context.

I cannot imagine that a series of Federal laws and regulations pertaining to Standards and Centralized Databases for such purposes would violate it, either.

...Better yet, such a person should target the scum who passed such a unconstitutional law.

If you act in contravention to the Will of the People in committing such violence you will be crushed without mercy, no doubt.

what part of shall not be infringed don't you get? where does the federal government get the proper power to demand people register guns they already own?

I guess the part about well regulated militias

so you believe that the Bill of Rights was intended to grant the federal government powers?

LOL-that demonstrates how clueless you are about the constitution. The bill of rights granted the federal government ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

Militias were run by the State and well regulated by the state

 

[turtledude]

They knew everyone who was in their militia and what weapons they had

What we call....well regulated

The People are the Ultimate Militia and, as such, should not begrudge the registration of firearms and the licensing of owners, and standards for vetting and usage-training and storage and transport and carry and sale and transfer and disposal.

None of that detracts from one's right to own them, so long as they meet society's standards for ownership.

It is clear to even the worst dullard that we need to find a way to reduce the number of guns in the hands of criminals and the incompetent or dangerous amongst us.

There is no way other than to set national standards and to employ centralized data management and to enforce them.

Done right, such changes are likely to greatly reduce the number of sources for illegal (un-registered or stolen) firearms and to greatly improve the gun-ownership climate for ordinary citizens, under circumstances where the public-at-large may rest easy that sales, transfers, training, registration, licensure, transport, etc., are all being done right.

Very little difference, in the long run, from registering your vehicle and obtaining a license for it and yourself, and undergoing initial and/or refresher training, and undertaking periodic competency testing, and having all that registered in a centralized database.

If we can do that with our road-vehicles (and airplanes and boats, for that matter), there is no reason why we cannot do the same with firearms, which pose a mortal danger when used improperly or when fallen into the wrong hands.

There are a variety of rights and privileges outlined or implicit or derived from the verbiage in the US Constitution, which are reasonably-well regulated, through registration and licensure and the like.

It's time to stop freaking-out and being paranoid about The Gubmint taking our guns, and acknowledging the sanity and higher degree of safety that such an approach brings.

The Second Amendment - in its current mode of interpretation - should be allowed to stand indefinitely.

The Gun-Grabbers cannot have the guns.

But the Gun-Rights folks need to budge, as well, in order to keep the peace, and to put this matter to rest, once and for all.

And, frankly, that 'budge' is going to consist of a better approach, at the national level, and integrating the work of the States, to register and license firearms and owners.

That's just the way it's going to be.

It's not a question of "IF".

It's merely a question of "WHEN".

Might as well bite-the-bullet and get this over with, rather than spend more years pointlessly burning-up energy, trying to sweep back the sea with a broom.

Registration is the step necessary for confiscation.

You want a really bloody civil war in this country, start trying confiscation.

I register my car every year

Hasn't been confiscated

how much does that cost you and what part of the constitution has owning a car in it

moron

Maybe the part that requires a well regulated militia

How do we regulate a militia without knowing who has guns and what type of gun they have

The second amendment encourages gun registration and licensing

you really are a moron. the 2A is not a grant of power to the federal government and "well regulated" has nothing to do with federal powers. Your argument is as idiotic as saying because the federal government can tell federal soldiers what uniform they must wear, that also gives the federal government the power to tell every citizen in the USA what sort of clothes they can own and to provide the federal government with a list of their garments

 

[turtledude]

so if you are going away for life for merely owning a gun...

Not for OWNING a gun... for owning an UNREGISTERED gun... or owning a gun without a personal LICENSE to do so... get it right, eh?

...law that violates the constitution...

Firearms registration and owner licensing laws at the State level have withstood the scrutiny of the courts time and again, in a Constitutional context.

I cannot imagine that a series of Federal laws and regulations pertaining to Standards and Centralized Databases for such purposes would violate it, either.

...Better yet, such a person should target the scum who passed such a unconstitutional law.

If you act in contravention to the Will of the People in committing such violence you will be crushed without mercy, no doubt.

what part of shall not be infringed don't you get? where does the federal government get the proper power to demand people register guns they already own?

I guess the part about well regulated militias

so you believe that the Bill of Rights was intended to grant the federal government powers?

LOL-that demonstrates how clueless you are about the constitution. The bill of rights granted the federal government ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

Militias were run by the State and well regulated by the state

and that has absolutely nothing to do with federal gun control

 

[2aguy]

I guess the part about shall not be infringed . . .

Don't think I should own guns, be a man and attempt to take them from me. Bet you won't try.

You can't have well regulated militias without gun registration

Are you saying the militias at the time the Constitution was written registered their guns. Doubt it.

They knew everyone who was in their militia and what weapons they had

What we call....well regulated

I'm still trying to grasp what's the leftist fascination with guns? Seems they're obsessed by such a minor issue in the grand scheme of things

-Geaux

It has something to do with assasinations, massacres and the highest murder rate in the industrialized world

And of course you forget that guns are used to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives 1.6 million times a year on average..........while gun murders in the U.S. are only 8-9,000 generally in isolated, small, multi block areas in inner cities, committed by criminal gangs..........

And if the left would stop killing politicians, and if left wing nuts would stop doing mass public shootings we would have an even lower gun murder rate.....

 

[2aguy]

I guess the part about well regulated militias

I guess the part about shall not be infringed . . .

Don't think I should own guns, be a man and attempt to take them from me. Bet you won't try.

You can't have well regulated militias without gun registration

Are you saying the militias at the time the Constitution was written registered their guns. Doubt it.

They knew everyone who was in their militia and what weapons they had

What we call....well regulated

The People are the Ultimate Militia and, as such, should not begrudge the registration of firearms and the licensing of owners, and standards for vetting and usage-training and storage and transport and carry and sale and transfer and disposal.

None of that detracts from one's right to own them, so long as they meet society's standards for ownership.

It is clear to even the worst dullard that we need to find a way to reduce the number of guns in the hands of criminals and the incompetent or dangerous amongst us.

There is no way other than to set national standards and to employ centralized data management and to enforce them.

Done right, such changes are likely to greatly reduce the number of sources for illegal (un-registered or stolen) firearms and to greatly improve the gun-ownership climate for ordinary citizens, under circumstances where the public-at-large may rest easy that sales, transfers, training, registration, licensure, transport, etc., are all being done right.

Very little difference, in the long run, from registering your vehicle and obtaining a license for it and yourself, and undergoing initial and/or refresher training, and undertaking periodic competency testing, and having all that registered in a centralized database.

If we can do that with our road-vehicles (and airplanes and boats, for that matter), there is no reason why we cannot do the same with firearms, which pose a mortal danger when used improperly or when fallen into the wrong hands.

There are a variety of rights and privileges outlined or implicit or derived from the verbiage in the US Constitution, which are reasonably-well regulated, through registration and licensure and the like.

It's time to stop freaking-out and being paranoid about The Gubmint taking our guns, and acknowledging the sanity and higher degree of safety that such an approach brings.

The Second Amendment - in its current mode of interpretation - should be allowed to stand indefinitely.

The Gun-Grabbers cannot have the guns.

But the Gun-Rights folks need to budge, as well, in order to keep the peace, and to put this matter to rest, once and for all.

And, frankly, that 'budge' is going to consist of a better approach, at the national level, and integrating the work of the States, to register and license firearms and owners.

That's just the way it's going to be.

It's not a question of "IF".

It's merely a question of "WHEN".

Might as well bite-the-bullet and get this over with, rather than spend more years pointlessly burning-up energy, trying to sweep back the sea with a broom.

You are so wrong......there is no way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, they can't do it in Europe or even Japan when their criminals decide they want guns....

And as to gun registration....there is absolutely no need for it.....criminals are not legally required to do it according to the Supreme Court,and if they don't have to then law abiding citizens don't have to either......

And we are the owners of this country....we pay for the police and military, not the other way around....if we give our employees guns, then we get to own those same guns....

And registration will lead to confiscation and banning once the anti gunners get the political power and the right number of people murdered that they can drag in front of cameras.....and then like Britain and Australia...they will collect the guns....

No fucking way.......

 

[2aguy]

"Licensure, Registration and Vetting Standards already exist on the State level in many jurisdictions and have successfully withstood court challenges"

There have been a whole host of gun laws at all levels that were proven unconstitutional when the US Supreme Court ruled that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right. And a license that can be denied for reasons other than those already listed on the federal form most certainly are an infringement.

Yes, and there have been a whole host of them that have withstood such court tests as well, aren't there? Society can proceed from that point of departure.

And Separate but Equal passed Constitutional muster as well....until it didn't........

 

[2aguy]

Hmmm...Condor...are you brain357 in disguise.....this is the kind of argument he would make ad nauseum.......

 

[Kondor3]

...So, you immediately concede that registration will lead to house to house searches of citizens...

The twists and turns of this example of paranoid and convoluted logic are far too tortuous for a sane man to want to bother trying to untangle.

Not to mention the juvenile attempt to put words into the mouth of a colleague, who neither articulated such a thing, nor established conditions implying such a thing, to a reasonable man.

Violators of Registration and Licensing laws will become known over time as those arms are detected on their persons when out-and-about in the world, and, of course, existing records of sales and transfers and - in some jurisdictions - existing registration and licensing databases - and reports to authorities - will serve to unmask a great many violators.

There is neither a need nor a mandate nor an empowerment to conduct house-to-house searches for firearms, and, under any circumstance wherein there is sufficient evidence of violation to merit a search warrant, that would be undertaken in a manner identical to any other legal home search already provided for in the Constitution and subsequent statute.

...You have now relegated yourself to person unworthy of reply (except maybe by accident, I don't use the IGNORE feature)...

Suit yourself. No skin off my nose.

...Have a Happy Deluded Easter.

You too.

sadly you appear to be a fascist

How so?

What aspect of advocacy for Gun Registration and Gun Owner Licensure and the establishment of National Standards or any related enforcment in accordance with the Constitution and through the Rule of Law strikes you as Fascist in nature?

I really wanna know.

 

[2aguy]

You can't have well regulated militias without gun registration

Are you saying the militias at the time the Constitution was written registered their guns. Doubt it.

They knew everyone who was in their militia and what weapons they had

What we call....well regulated

The People are the Ultimate Militia and, as such, should not begrudge the registration of firearms and the licensing of owners, and standards for vetting and usage-training and storage and transport and carry and sale and transfer and disposal.

None of that detracts from one's right to own them, so long as they meet society's standards for ownership.

It is clear to even the worst dullard that we need to find a way to reduce the number of guns in the hands of criminals and the incompetent or dangerous amongst us.

There is no way other than to set national standards and to employ centralized data management and to enforce them.

Done right, such changes are likely to greatly reduce the number of sources for illegal (un-registered or stolen) firearms and to greatly improve the gun-ownership climate for ordinary citizens, under circumstances where the public-at-large may rest easy that sales, transfers, training, registration, licensure, transport, etc., are all being done right.

Very little difference, in the long run, from registering your vehicle and obtaining a license for it and yourself, and undergoing initial and/or refresher training, and undertaking periodic competency testing, and having all that registered in a centralized database.

If we can do that with our road-vehicles (and airplanes and boats, for that matter), there is no reason why we cannot do the same with firearms, which pose a mortal danger when used improperly or when fallen into the wrong hands.

There are a variety of rights and privileges outlined or implicit or derived from the verbiage in the US Constitution, which are reasonably-well regulated, through registration and licensure and the like.

It's time to stop freaking-out and being paranoid about The Gubmint taking our guns, and acknowledging the sanity and higher degree of safety that such an approach brings.

The Second Amendment - in its current mode of interpretation - should be allowed to stand indefinitely.

The Gun-Grabbers cannot have the guns.

But the Gun-Rights folks need to budge, as well, in order to keep the peace, and to put this matter to rest, once and for all.

And, frankly, that 'budge' is going to consist of a better approach, at the national level, and integrating the work of the States, to register and license firearms and owners.

That's just the way it's going to be.

It's not a question of "IF".

It's merely a question of "WHEN".

Might as well bite-the-bullet and get this over with, rather than spend more years pointlessly burning-up energy, trying to sweep back the sea with a broom.

Registration is the step necessary for confiscation.

You want a really bloody civil war in this country, start trying confiscation.

Who the hell is talking about Confiscation?

We're talking about National Standards, Centralized Databases, Licensure, Registration, Education/Training, and Sales, Transfer, Possession, Transport and Carry.

With or without such an approach, if the Gubmint ever moved to confiscate en masse, I'll pick up a rifle myself, and stand alongside you on the barricades.

But that's not going to happen.

The Gubmint doesn't confiscate your Cars or Boats or Airplanes when you register and license them (and yourself).

It's not going to confiscate our Guns, either.

Not without Revolution - of the sort that most of our very own Armed Forces would join, in order to preserve the Republic and The People and their Rights.

But that's an Alternative Universe, or something long ago, in a galaxy far, far away.

Hell, the gun-phobic Euros regulate guns much more vigorously than any such approach being proposed in this country, and their governments have never made a move to seize guns en masse from their citizenry, so, given that precedent in a far more heavily regulated environment, and given our own tradition of a Right to Bear Arms, there is no rational basis for believing that it would happen here.

That so-called 'barrier' comes off looking weaker and weaker, and more and more lame, with each passing year and decade, as the Nation continues to suffer greatly from the misuse of firearms in the wrong hands, with nothing getting done about it.

Gun-Grabbers aren't going to get the guns.

But Gun Owners would be well-advised to contemplate the very real possibility that The People at-large have grown weary and disheartened over rampant gun crime and gun-centric acts of terror and that The People are fast approaching the point where they want something done about it.

Why not be 'smart' about it and get out in front of the problem and be seen to be proactive, and better control the message and control the outcomes, rather than sitting back and spouting the same tired old protestations year-after-year, in what is fast beginning to look like a losing battle?

Done right, from a Gun Owner's perspective the cup would be 9/10 full, not 1/10 empty, and it would put the matter to rest for decades, or generations, or forever.

Hell, the gun-phobic Euros regulate guns much more vigorously than any such approach being proposed in this country, and their governments have never made a move to seize guns en masse from their citizenry, so, given that precedent in a far more heavily regulated environment, and given our own tradition of a Right to Bear Arms, there is no rational basis for believing that it would happen here.

Yes.....they did.....in the 1920s.....20 years later they learned why you never give up your guns......and 12 million people never had a chance to learn from their mistake........

We tried it your way....and the death camps were full of people who obeyed the law about guns......now we would like to try it our way and see if that changes the outcome......

 

[2aguy]

...So, you immediately concede that registration will lead to house to house searches of citizens...

The twists and turns of this example of paranoid and convoluted logic are far too tortuous for a sane man to want to bother trying to untangle.

Not to mention the juvenile attempt to put words into the mouth of a colleague, who neither articulated such a thing, nor established conditions implying such a thing, to a reasonable man.

Violators of Registration and Licensing laws will become known over time as those arms are detected on their persons when out-and-about in the world, and, of course, existing records of sales and transfers and - in some jurisdictions - existing registration and licensing databases - and reports to authorities - will serve to unmask a great many violators.

There is neither a need nor a mandate nor an empowerment to conduct house-to-house searches for firearms, and, under any circumstance wherein there is sufficient evidence of violation to merit a search warrant, that would be undertaken in a manner identical to any other legal home search already provided for in the Constitution and subsequent statute.

...You have now relegated yourself to person unworthy of reply (except maybe by accident, I don't use the IGNORE feature)...

Suit yourself. No skin off my nose.

...Have a Happy Deluded Easter.

You too.

sadly you appear to be a fascist

How so?

What aspect of advocacy for Gun Registration and Gun Owner Licensure and the establishment of National Standards or any related enforcment in accordance with the Constitution and through the Rule of Law strikes you as Fascist in nature?

I really wanna know.

There is no need for gun registration......if someone commits a crime with a gun you arrest them....if you catch a felon in possession of a gun, you arrest them....no registration needed......

What don't you understand about that simple process....

Why are you so obsessed with registration? It is not needed and doesn't stop crime or mass shootiings....so why do it at all.....?

 

[rightwinger]

You can't have well regulated militias without gun registration

Are you saying the militias at the time the Constitution was written registered their guns. Doubt it.

They knew everyone who was in their militia and what weapons they had

What we call....well regulated

I'm still trying to grasp what's the leftist fascination with guns? Seems they're obsessed by such a minor issue in the grand scheme of things

-Geaux

It has something to do with assasinations, massacres and the highest murder rate in the industrialized world

And of course you forget that guns are used to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives 1.6 million times a year on average..........while gun murders in the U.S. are only 8-9,000 generally in isolated, small, multi block areas in inner cities, committed by criminal gangs..........

And if the left would stop killing politicians, and if left wing nuts would stop doing mass public shootings we would have an even lower gun murder rate.....

Tell a lie often enough and others will begin to believe it

 

[2aguy]

...I am not registering jack shit.

You will if it becomes law.

I absolutely will NOT do that.

Yes you will, if it becomes law, all protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.

And, if by some odd chance, you actually keep your promise and fail to comply, you will bring down upon your head a world of trouble, pointlessly, and needlessly.

Time to take a chill-pill.

You realize you just answered the question.....and do you realize that convicted felons do not have to register their illegal guns....by Supreme Court decision....the Haynes decision stated that requiring a felon to register an illegal guns would go against their right to self incrimination....

How nuts is that...criminals would be protected from registration of their illegal guns....the ones you say you want to disarm...but law abiding citizens would be arrested if they did not register their legal guns........that is what you are supporting....