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But you want the determination of relevance for Judeo-Christian displays to be made by Christians, and then they also get to make the determinations concerning other faiths.
For those who think human sacrifice is part of the church of satan, you might want to do a little reading about it.
OK, one through four are pretty specifc, but they apply to at least the three monothestic religions equally, and some of the others as well. Other religions have similar concepts.
Commendment 5 would be at home in most Eastern Religions, filial piety and respect for elders and all.
The rest are basic rules any society has to follow, be it godless or god-fearing. I know some hedonists have an issue with the whole "adultery" thing, but the rest are very common, and indeed are needed to have a stable society and culture.
Other religions may have similar concepts, but using something from one (or 3 with the same basis) religious text and then claiming it fits others too is simply a lie.
There are 10 commandments. There are 5 that demand allegiance to Judeo-Christian faiths and only 2 that are the basis for any of our laws. To claim a nation built on freedom of religion has a legal system based on it is nonsense. Yes, it had a place in the development of our legal system, but so did many, many things.
How is honoring your mother and father demanding allegiance to a Judeo-Chrisitan faith?
down to 4 specific to "God"
Prohibitions against bearing false witness, stealing, and murdering are part of any legal system.
Up to 3 with a solid basis in any legal system.
Prohibitions against adultery may be moral, but are based on honoring a contract, again part of most belief structures.
Finally not coveting IS advice and non legal, but most religions besides ones that condone theft adhere to this one, and most legal structures prohibit you from acting on your covetous nature.
I'd even wonder about keeping the sabbath holy as specific to "God" as most religions have holy days.
First off, the 10 Commandments are Hebrew law, not Christian. Just because the Atheists are at war to crush Christianity, reality does not realign to support their goal.
May be true Im not doubting their historical significance in the formation of laws. However, my point is that when the state legislature installed the Ten Commandments in 2009 it was a much more of a gesture more towards Judeo-Christian values vs. a gesture towards the general history of law. This is the bible belt, uncensored, and we can disagree on whether or not this belongs in front of the courthouse but to say this wasnt done as an endorsement of Judeo-Christian beliefs is INCREDIBLY dishonest. Dont waste my time, please.Further, our laws owe a great deal to the commandments - from the Magna Carta to Common Law, the Judeo-Christian tenets of law are irrefutable. Again, the war against Christians by small minded bigots, does not alter history or reality.
Another irrelevant, nitpicky comment. Youre debating me on terminology vs. the core argument at hand; point is that the ten commandments represent a specific religious institution Judaism and Christianity (which are very, very closely linked).An amazing thing, seeing how they were written 700 years before Christ...
I read on a trail head in Yosemite; "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." - should this be outlawed and destroyed? After all, some mindless and bigoted ninny might take offense..
But you want the determination of relevance for Judeo-Christian displays to be made by Christians, and then they also get to make the determinations concerning other faiths.
But how will you KNOW if a Christian is on a committee or board? There must be a way to identify them, maybe a yellow arm band?
For those who think human sacrifice is part of the church of satan, you might want to do a little reading about it.
The Church of Satan was a farce, started by a Jew, Anton Levey. They existed to mock Christianity.
The 10 Commandments being installed in front of a public building (especially when put in just a few years ago) is clearly more of a nod towards Christianity than a nod towards the "history of law". I think this is a fair point; let's not play games here and call things like they are.
First off, the 10 Commandments are Hebrew law, not Christian. Just because the Atheists are at war to crush Christianity, reality does not realign to support their goal.
Further, our laws owe a great deal to the commandments - from the Magna Carta to Common Law, the Judeo-Christian tenets of law are irrefutable. Again, the war against Christians by small minded bigots, does not alter history or reality.
The great majority of the laws in the 10 Commandments (I'd say a solid 7 out of 10) apply directly to the Christian religion only (ie keep holy the Sabbath, don't use the Lord's name in vain, only one God, etc).
An amazing thing, seeing how they were written 700 years before Christ...
I read on a trail head in Yosemite; "A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." - should this be outlawed and destroyed? After all, some mindless and bigoted ninny might take offense..
So...you get to judge the validity of other religions? How christian of you.
First of all, most atheists are not out to crush anything.
Second of all, how is it amazing? Most religions had rules to follow that supposedly came from their God(s) or Goddess(es). The Code of Hammarabi is a much more comprehensive set of laws. And they predate the 10 Commandments by around 1,000 years.
The Church of Satan has 9 tenets of their church.
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his divine spiritual and intellectual development, has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!
They basically deny the existence of "gods".
The Church of Satan has 9 tenets of their church.
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his divine spiritual and intellectual development, has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!
They basically deny the existence of "gods".
Again, the entire structure designed to mock Christianity.
It is, was, and always will be, a farce.
You are welcome to your opinion. However, the US Government recognizes it as a religion.
I have heard Wicca called a farce as well, should we remove it from having the benefits of being a recognized religion?
Buddhism doesn't even have a God. Should we call it a farce as well? Or does its age and number of followers make it an acceptable religion?
The Satanic Temple, based in Brooklyn, are the people doing this.
They are not connected in any way to LaVey's Church of Satan.
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The Satanic Temple, based in Brooklyn, are the people doing this.
They are not connected in any way to LaVey's Church of Satan.
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Are they dolts who didn't get the joke, and took LaVey seriously?
This is really appropriate. Let one religion put their stuff up on government property.......open that door to all.
Okla. Satanists seek monument by Statehouse steps
No, they take themselves even less seriously than LaVey's crew.
They've been in the news a few time recently, for performing a ritual that supposedly turned Fred Phelp's dead mother into a lesbian in the afterlife, and for adopting a stretch of highway in NY.
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Again, the entire structure designed to mock Christianity.
It is, was, and always will be, a farce.
You are welcome to your opinion. However, the US Government recognizes it as a religion.
And LaVey made a fortune off of it.
I have no problem with that.
I have heard Wicca called a farce as well, should we remove it from having the benefits of being a recognized religion?
Anton LaVey was a Jew who turned Atheist and created the Church of Satan to mock Christians. He deliberately used Catholic rites and themes, inverting them, to mock his foe.
Wicca is a vastly different situation. Wicca is a real religion, based on a long standing, pagan tradition. The COS was never intended to be anything more than a farce, but Wicca is an actual faith.
Buddhism doesn't even have a God. Should we call it a farce as well? Or does its age and number of followers make it an acceptable religion?
You do a lot of really ignorant whining.
