Say Again...Who Won The Popular Vote??

[Faun]

As we always knew, California and American elections are filled with fraud and corruption. Thanks to a new poll, we now know that approximately 13% of illegal aliens vote. Since they are already criminals, stealing ID’s or using phony ID’s. lie to get welfare, steal jobs—why not vote as they to lose. Since they can not be deported or jailed, they have nothing to lose. Obama is protecting these law breakers.
Could this be why real citizens don’t vote—the illegal aliens outvote them? Worse, in close elections illegal aliens can make the difference. Corruption? Look at the ballot box. In fact, they could have elected a President and Senator!
“Since 80 percent of noncitizens vote Democratic, according to the study, noncitizen participation could have “been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes [in North Carolina in 2008], and Congressional elections” such as the 2008 race in Minnesota in which Al Franken was elected to the U.S. Senate, giving “Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote” to pass Obamacare. The Old Dominion/George Mason study was sharply attacked by progressive critics, but the mounting evidence makes clear this is a real problem.”
ICE-Immigration-Agents
Poll Shows Noncitizens Can Shape Elections
Hans von Spakovsky, Daily signal—Heritage Foundation, 6/2/15
Hans von Spakovsky is an authority on a wide range of issues—including civil rights, civil justice, the First Amendment, immigration, the rule of law and government reform—as a senior legal fellow in The Heritage Foundation’s Edwin Meese III Center for Legal and Judicial Studies and manager of the think tank’s Election Law Reform Initiative. Read his research.
A poll by John McLaughlin confirms again we may have a significant problem with noncitizens participating illegally in our elections. Based on a sample survey of 800 Hispanics in 2013, McLaughlin found that of foreign-born respondents who were registered voters, 13 percent admitted they were not United States citizens.
In our 2012 book on voter fraud, John Fund and I noted numerous cases of noncitizen registration and voting all over the country. Only a month ago, the Board of Immigration Appeals of the Executive Office for Immigration Review at the Justice Department held that a Peruvian citizen who illegally registered and voted in the 2006 congressional election could be deported for violating federal law. The only reason she was caught is because she applied for naturalization in 2007 and admitted in the INS interview that she had voted in an American election.
In 2014, a study released by three professors at Old Dominion University and George Mason University, based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, estimated 6.4 percent of noncitizens voted illegally in the 2008 presidential election and 2.2 percent voted in the 2010 midterm congressional elections.
Since 80 percent of noncitizens vote Democratic, according to the study, noncitizen participation could have “been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes [in North Carolina in 2008], and Congressional elections” such as the 2008 race in Minnesota in which Al Franken was elected to the U.S. Senate, giving “Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote” to pass Obamacare. The Old Dominion/George Mason study was sharply attacked by progressive critics, but the mounting evidence makes clear this is a real problem.
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In 2013, McLaughlin, a Republican pollster, conducted an extensive “National Hispanic Survey” to determine the attitudes of Hispanic Americans on immigration issues. McLaughlin went to a great deal of trouble to try to make this survey as accurate as possible, including conducting 60 percent of the interviews in Spanish. In results that run counter to what the mainstream media seems to think about the attitudes of Hispanics, the results showed strong support for everything from increased border security and tougher enforcement of immigration laws to “stopping undocumented immigrants who are already here from getting food stamps, welfare, Medicaid and Obamacare benefits.”
But buried in the back of the survey on page 68 is a “Voter Profile” that reveals that 13 percent of noncitizen respondents admitted they were registered to vote (a violation of state and federal law), which matches closely the Old Dominion/George Mason study finding that 14.8 percent of noncitizens admitted they were registered to vote in 2008 and 15.6 percent of noncitizens admitted they were registered in 2010.
When these numbers were adjusted to take into account various factors, such as noncitizens “who said they were not [registered but] were actually registered,” the Old Dominion/George Mason study’s authors concluded that the true percentage was probably closer to 25 percent.
There is no doubt the registration rate of noncitizens varies depending on the jurisdiction, and the percentage of those voting is likely smaller. But whether the registration rate is 13 percent as McLaughlin found or 25 percent as the Old Dominion/George Mason study estimated, there seems little doubt that there are enough noncitizens registering and voting to potentially make the difference in close elections.


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More rightardedness. <smh>

When they say their findings are "based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study," what they don't say is that survey was an unscientific non-probability online poll...

Methodological challenges affect study of non-citizens’ voting

A number of academics and commentators have already expressed skepticism about the paper’s assumptions and conclusions, though. In a series of tweets, New York Times columnist Nate Cohn focused his criticism on Richman et al’s use of Cooperative Congressional Election Study data to make inferences about the non-citizen voting population. That critique has some merit, too. The 2008 and 2010 CCES surveyed large opt-in Internet samples constructed by the polling firm YouGov to be nationally representative of the adult citizen population.​

Furthermore, it was determined that respondents were wrong at best, or lied at worst, when claiming their immigration status...

It turns out that such response error was common for self-reported non-citizens in the 2010-2012 CCES Panel Study — a survey that re-interviewed 19,533 respondents in 2012 who had currently participated in the 2010 CCES. The first table below, for instance, shows that nearly one-fifth of CCES panelists who said that they were not American citizens in 2012 actually reported being American citizens when they were originally surveyed for the 2010 CCES. Since it’s illogical for non-citizens in 2012 to have been American citizens back in 2010, it appears that a substantial number of self-reported non-citizens inaccurately reported their (non)citizenship status in the CCES surveys.​

 

[Faun]

This is Alex Padilla. He is the Secretary of State for California. He certifies the votes in California.

This photo was taken a few months ago, long before HRC became the alleged presumptive nominee.

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So what? Secretaries of State are typically the co-chair for the candidate from the same party as their governor. If California's governor was a Republican, the Secretary of state would have been co-chair for Trump's campaign in California.

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What exactly did you want me to look at on that page? There are many stories on there. And what does this have to do with Padilla being Hillary Clinton's co-chair for California. Again, that's typical for secretaries of state.

Padilla's the lead guy in California and there was a ton of irregularities during the Primary that helped HRC and hurt Sanders. You may not care but I think it stinks when the guy is campaigning for HRC.


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Now you're straying from the plantation. We're talking about motor voter allowing illegal aliens to vote. Now you're venturing into conspiracy claims because Padilla, like most secretaries of states across the nation, was the co-chair for his governor's party.

 

[davecmarino]

As we always knew, California and American elections are filled with fraud and corruption. Thanks to a new poll, we now know that approximately 13% of illegal aliens vote. Since they are already criminals, stealing ID’s or using phony ID’s. lie to get welfare, steal jobs—why not vote as they to lose. Since they can not be deported or jailed, they have nothing to lose. Obama is protecting these law breakers.
Could this be why real citizens don’t vote—the illegal aliens outvote them? Worse, in close elections illegal aliens can make the difference. Corruption? Look at the ballot box. In fact, they could have elected a President and Senator!
“Since 80 percent of noncitizens vote Democratic, according to the study, noncitizen participation could have “been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes [in North Carolina in 2008], and Congressional elections” such as the 2008 race in Minnesota in which Al Franken was elected to the U.S. Senate, giving “Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote” to pass Obamacare. The Old Dominion/George Mason study was sharply attacked by progressive critics, but the mounting evidence makes clear this is a real problem.”
ICE-Immigration-Agents
Poll Shows Noncitizens Can Shape Elections
Hans von Spakovsky, Daily signal—Heritage Foundation, 6/2/15
Hans von Spakovsky is an authority on a wide range of issues—including civil rights, civil justice, the First Amendment, immigration, the rule of law and government reform—as a senior legal fellow in The Heritage Foundation’s Edwin Meese III Center for Legal and Judicial Studies and manager of the think tank’s Election Law Reform Initiative. Read his research.
A poll by John McLaughlin confirms again we may have a significant problem with noncitizens participating illegally in our elections. Based on a sample survey of 800 Hispanics in 2013, McLaughlin found that of foreign-born respondents who were registered voters, 13 percent admitted they were not United States citizens.
In our 2012 book on voter fraud, John Fund and I noted numerous cases of noncitizen registration and voting all over the country. Only a month ago, the Board of Immigration Appeals of the Executive Office for Immigration Review at the Justice Department held that a Peruvian citizen who illegally registered and voted in the 2006 congressional election could be deported for violating federal law. The only reason she was caught is because she applied for naturalization in 2007 and admitted in the INS interview that she had voted in an American election.
In 2014, a study released by three professors at Old Dominion University and George Mason University, based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, estimated 6.4 percent of noncitizens voted illegally in the 2008 presidential election and 2.2 percent voted in the 2010 midterm congressional elections.
Since 80 percent of noncitizens vote Democratic, according to the study, noncitizen participation could have “been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes [in North Carolina in 2008], and Congressional elections” such as the 2008 race in Minnesota in which Al Franken was elected to the U.S. Senate, giving “Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote” to pass Obamacare. The Old Dominion/George Mason study was sharply attacked by progressive critics, but the mounting evidence makes clear this is a real problem.
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In 2013, McLaughlin, a Republican pollster, conducted an extensive “National Hispanic Survey” to determine the attitudes of Hispanic Americans on immigration issues. McLaughlin went to a great deal of trouble to try to make this survey as accurate as possible, including conducting 60 percent of the interviews in Spanish. In results that run counter to what the mainstream media seems to think about the attitudes of Hispanics, the results showed strong support for everything from increased border security and tougher enforcement of immigration laws to “stopping undocumented immigrants who are already here from getting food stamps, welfare, Medicaid and Obamacare benefits.”
But buried in the back of the survey on page 68 is a “Voter Profile” that reveals that 13 percent of noncitizen respondents admitted they were registered to vote (a violation of state and federal law), which matches closely the Old Dominion/George Mason study finding that 14.8 percent of noncitizens admitted they were registered to vote in 2008 and 15.6 percent of noncitizens admitted they were registered in 2010.
When these numbers were adjusted to take into account various factors, such as noncitizens “who said they were not [registered but] were actually registered,” the Old Dominion/George Mason study’s authors concluded that the true percentage was probably closer to 25 percent.
There is no doubt the registration rate of noncitizens varies depending on the jurisdiction, and the percentage of those voting is likely smaller. But whether the registration rate is 13 percent as McLaughlin found or 25 percent as the Old Dominion/George Mason study estimated, there seems little doubt that there are enough noncitizens registering and voting to potentially make the difference in close elections.


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More rightardedness. <smh>

When they say their findings are "based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study," what they don't say is that survey was an unscientific non-probability online poll...

Methodological challenges affect study of non-citizens’ voting

A number of academics and commentators have already expressed skepticism about the paper’s assumptions and conclusions, though. In a series of tweets, New York Times columnist Nate Cohn focused his criticism on Richman et al’s use of Cooperative Congressional Election Study data to make inferences about the non-citizen voting population. That critique has some merit, too. The 2008 and 2010 CCES surveyed large opt-in Internet samples constructed by the polling firm YouGov to be nationally representative of the adult citizen population.​

Furthermore, it was determined that respondents were wrong at best, or lied at worst, when claiming their immigration status...

It turns out that such response error was common for self-reported non-citizens in the 2010-2012 CCES Panel Study — a survey that re-interviewed 19,533 respondents in 2012 who had currently participated in the 2010 CCES. The first table below, for instance, shows that nearly one-fifth of CCES panelists who said that they were not American citizens in 2012 actually reported being American citizens when they were originally surveyed for the 2010 CCES. Since it’s illogical for non-citizens in 2012 to have been American citizens back in 2010, it appears that a substantial number of self-reported non-citizens inaccurately reported their (non)citizenship status in the CCES surveys.​

Maybe in 2010 they didn't admit to being non-citizens because they were afraid they were being tricked and ICE might come get them but by 2012 they were no longer afraid of deportation under Obama.

Sounds more like the 2010 non-citizenship was understated.



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[Faun]

As we always knew, California and American elections are filled with fraud and corruption. Thanks to a new poll, we now know that approximately 13% of illegal aliens vote. Since they are already criminals, stealing ID’s or using phony ID’s. lie to get welfare, steal jobs—why not vote as they to lose. Since they can not be deported or jailed, they have nothing to lose. Obama is protecting these law breakers.
Could this be why real citizens don’t vote—the illegal aliens outvote them? Worse, in close elections illegal aliens can make the difference. Corruption? Look at the ballot box. In fact, they could have elected a President and Senator!
“Since 80 percent of noncitizens vote Democratic, according to the study, noncitizen participation could have “been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes [in North Carolina in 2008], and Congressional elections” such as the 2008 race in Minnesota in which Al Franken was elected to the U.S. Senate, giving “Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote” to pass Obamacare. The Old Dominion/George Mason study was sharply attacked by progressive critics, but the mounting evidence makes clear this is a real problem.”
ICE-Immigration-Agents
Poll Shows Noncitizens Can Shape Elections
Hans von Spakovsky, Daily signal—Heritage Foundation, 6/2/15
Hans von Spakovsky is an authority on a wide range of issues—including civil rights, civil justice, the First Amendment, immigration, the rule of law and government reform—as a senior legal fellow in The Heritage Foundation’s Edwin Meese III Center for Legal and Judicial Studies and manager of the think tank’s Election Law Reform Initiative. Read his research.
A poll by John McLaughlin confirms again we may have a significant problem with noncitizens participating illegally in our elections. Based on a sample survey of 800 Hispanics in 2013, McLaughlin found that of foreign-born respondents who were registered voters, 13 percent admitted they were not United States citizens.
In our 2012 book on voter fraud, John Fund and I noted numerous cases of noncitizen registration and voting all over the country. Only a month ago, the Board of Immigration Appeals of the Executive Office for Immigration Review at the Justice Department held that a Peruvian citizen who illegally registered and voted in the 2006 congressional election could be deported for violating federal law. The only reason she was caught is because she applied for naturalization in 2007 and admitted in the INS interview that she had voted in an American election.
In 2014, a study released by three professors at Old Dominion University and George Mason University, based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, estimated 6.4 percent of noncitizens voted illegally in the 2008 presidential election and 2.2 percent voted in the 2010 midterm congressional elections.
Since 80 percent of noncitizens vote Democratic, according to the study, noncitizen participation could have “been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes [in North Carolina in 2008], and Congressional elections” such as the 2008 race in Minnesota in which Al Franken was elected to the U.S. Senate, giving “Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote” to pass Obamacare. The Old Dominion/George Mason study was sharply attacked by progressive critics, but the mounting evidence makes clear this is a real problem.
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In 2013, McLaughlin, a Republican pollster, conducted an extensive “National Hispanic Survey” to determine the attitudes of Hispanic Americans on immigration issues. McLaughlin went to a great deal of trouble to try to make this survey as accurate as possible, including conducting 60 percent of the interviews in Spanish. In results that run counter to what the mainstream media seems to think about the attitudes of Hispanics, the results showed strong support for everything from increased border security and tougher enforcement of immigration laws to “stopping undocumented immigrants who are already here from getting food stamps, welfare, Medicaid and Obamacare benefits.”
But buried in the back of the survey on page 68 is a “Voter Profile” that reveals that 13 percent of noncitizen respondents admitted they were registered to vote (a violation of state and federal law), which matches closely the Old Dominion/George Mason study finding that 14.8 percent of noncitizens admitted they were registered to vote in 2008 and 15.6 percent of noncitizens admitted they were registered in 2010.
When these numbers were adjusted to take into account various factors, such as noncitizens “who said they were not [registered but] were actually registered,” the Old Dominion/George Mason study’s authors concluded that the true percentage was probably closer to 25 percent.
There is no doubt the registration rate of noncitizens varies depending on the jurisdiction, and the percentage of those voting is likely smaller. But whether the registration rate is 13 percent as McLaughlin found or 25 percent as the Old Dominion/George Mason study estimated, there seems little doubt that there are enough noncitizens registering and voting to potentially make the difference in close elections.


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More rightardedness. <smh>

When they say their findings are "based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study," what they don't say is that survey was an unscientific non-probability online poll...

Methodological challenges affect study of non-citizens’ voting

A number of academics and commentators have already expressed skepticism about the paper’s assumptions and conclusions, though. In a series of tweets, New York Times columnist Nate Cohn focused his criticism on Richman et al’s use of Cooperative Congressional Election Study data to make inferences about the non-citizen voting population. That critique has some merit, too. The 2008 and 2010 CCES surveyed large opt-in Internet samples constructed by the polling firm YouGov to be nationally representative of the adult citizen population.​

Furthermore, it was determined that respondents were wrong at best, or lied at worst, when claiming their immigration status...

It turns out that such response error was common for self-reported non-citizens in the 2010-2012 CCES Panel Study — a survey that re-interviewed 19,533 respondents in 2012 who had currently participated in the 2010 CCES. The first table below, for instance, shows that nearly one-fifth of CCES panelists who said that they were not American citizens in 2012 actually reported being American citizens when they were originally surveyed for the 2010 CCES. Since it’s illogical for non-citizens in 2012 to have been American citizens back in 2010, it appears that a substantial number of self-reported non-citizens inaccurately reported their (non)citizenship status in the CCES surveys.​

Maybe in 2010 they didn't admit to being non-citizens because they were afraid they were being tricked and ICE might come get them but by 2012 they were no longer afraid of deportation under Obama.

Sounds more like the 2010 non-citizenship was understated.



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You're certainly welcome to make up any stories you think help your case, but you can't shake the inescapable reality that it's nothing more than an unscientific online poll, rendering the data utterly useless.

 

[davecmarino]

This is Alex Padilla. He is the Secretary of State for California. He certifies the votes in California.

This photo was taken a few months ago, long before HRC became the alleged presumptive nominee.

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So what? Secretaries of State are typically the co-chair for the candidate from the same party as their governor. If California's governor was a Republican, the Secretary of state would have been co-chair for Trump's campaign in California.

UNCOUNTED: The True Story of the California Primary | naked capitalism



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What exactly did you want me to look at on that page? There are many stories on there. And what does this have to do with Padilla being Hillary Clinton's co-chair for California. Again, that's typical for secretaries of state.

Padilla's the lead guy in California and there was a ton of irregularities during the Primary that helped HRC and hurt Sanders. You may not care but I think it stinks when the guy is campaigning for HRC.


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Now you're straying from the plantation. We're talking about motor voter allowing illegal aliens to vote. Now you're venturing into conspiracy claims because Padilla, like most secretaries of states across the nation, was the co-chair for his governor's party.

You just don't want to admit that the state with the highest degree of control by democrats and the most relaxed laws for illegals doesn't have a problem with voter fraud.

I worked for a Hispanic owned company and know that there is a big problem with voter fraud. I saw it first hand. Southern California is ripe with it. So is Las Vegas, Phoenix, and Albuquerque. I've seen the illegals voting. I've seen them work under a stolen ID and collecting benefits under their real name. I've seen them get indigent care for the birth of their child by only showing a Mexican drivers license.

I will never return to Southern California. It is the most bullshit place I have ever done business. It is one of the most backward places I've ever been. The dumbest people in the country and that's saying something because the people in southern Louisiana are pretty stupid too but Los Angeles beats them for being just as dumb and the rudest damn people ever.




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[davecmarino]

As we always knew, California and American elections are filled with fraud and corruption. Thanks to a new poll, we now know that approximately 13% of illegal aliens vote. Since they are already criminals, stealing ID’s or using phony ID’s. lie to get welfare, steal jobs—why not vote as they to lose. Since they can not be deported or jailed, they have nothing to lose. Obama is protecting these law breakers.
Could this be why real citizens don’t vote—the illegal aliens outvote them? Worse, in close elections illegal aliens can make the difference. Corruption? Look at the ballot box. In fact, they could have elected a President and Senator!
“Since 80 percent of noncitizens vote Democratic, according to the study, noncitizen participation could have “been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes [in North Carolina in 2008], and Congressional elections” such as the 2008 race in Minnesota in which Al Franken was elected to the U.S. Senate, giving “Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote” to pass Obamacare. The Old Dominion/George Mason study was sharply attacked by progressive critics, but the mounting evidence makes clear this is a real problem.”
ICE-Immigration-Agents
Poll Shows Noncitizens Can Shape Elections
Hans von Spakovsky, Daily signal—Heritage Foundation, 6/2/15
Hans von Spakovsky is an authority on a wide range of issues—including civil rights, civil justice, the First Amendment, immigration, the rule of law and government reform—as a senior legal fellow in The Heritage Foundation’s Edwin Meese III Center for Legal and Judicial Studies and manager of the think tank’s Election Law Reform Initiative. Read his research.
A poll by John McLaughlin confirms again we may have a significant problem with noncitizens participating illegally in our elections. Based on a sample survey of 800 Hispanics in 2013, McLaughlin found that of foreign-born respondents who were registered voters, 13 percent admitted they were not United States citizens.
In our 2012 book on voter fraud, John Fund and I noted numerous cases of noncitizen registration and voting all over the country. Only a month ago, the Board of Immigration Appeals of the Executive Office for Immigration Review at the Justice Department held that a Peruvian citizen who illegally registered and voted in the 2006 congressional election could be deported for violating federal law. The only reason she was caught is because she applied for naturalization in 2007 and admitted in the INS interview that she had voted in an American election.
In 2014, a study released by three professors at Old Dominion University and George Mason University, based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, estimated 6.4 percent of noncitizens voted illegally in the 2008 presidential election and 2.2 percent voted in the 2010 midterm congressional elections.
Since 80 percent of noncitizens vote Democratic, according to the study, noncitizen participation could have “been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes [in North Carolina in 2008], and Congressional elections” such as the 2008 race in Minnesota in which Al Franken was elected to the U.S. Senate, giving “Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote” to pass Obamacare. The Old Dominion/George Mason study was sharply attacked by progressive critics, but the mounting evidence makes clear this is a real problem.
It’s our 1st birthday! Join the celebration by signing up for the Morning Bell – our flagship weekday newsletter.
In 2013, McLaughlin, a Republican pollster, conducted an extensive “National Hispanic Survey” to determine the attitudes of Hispanic Americans on immigration issues. McLaughlin went to a great deal of trouble to try to make this survey as accurate as possible, including conducting 60 percent of the interviews in Spanish. In results that run counter to what the mainstream media seems to think about the attitudes of Hispanics, the results showed strong support for everything from increased border security and tougher enforcement of immigration laws to “stopping undocumented immigrants who are already here from getting food stamps, welfare, Medicaid and Obamacare benefits.”
But buried in the back of the survey on page 68 is a “Voter Profile” that reveals that 13 percent of noncitizen respondents admitted they were registered to vote (a violation of state and federal law), which matches closely the Old Dominion/George Mason study finding that 14.8 percent of noncitizens admitted they were registered to vote in 2008 and 15.6 percent of noncitizens admitted they were registered in 2010.
When these numbers were adjusted to take into account various factors, such as noncitizens “who said they were not [registered but] were actually registered,” the Old Dominion/George Mason study’s authors concluded that the true percentage was probably closer to 25 percent.
There is no doubt the registration rate of noncitizens varies depending on the jurisdiction, and the percentage of those voting is likely smaller. But whether the registration rate is 13 percent as McLaughlin found or 25 percent as the Old Dominion/George Mason study estimated, there seems little doubt that there are enough noncitizens registering and voting to potentially make the difference in close elections.


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More rightardedness. <smh>

When they say their findings are "based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study," what they don't say is that survey was an unscientific non-probability online poll...

Methodological challenges affect study of non-citizens’ voting

A number of academics and commentators have already expressed skepticism about the paper’s assumptions and conclusions, though. In a series of tweets, New York Times columnist Nate Cohn focused his criticism on Richman et al’s use of Cooperative Congressional Election Study data to make inferences about the non-citizen voting population. That critique has some merit, too. The 2008 and 2010 CCES surveyed large opt-in Internet samples constructed by the polling firm YouGov to be nationally representative of the adult citizen population.​

Furthermore, it was determined that respondents were wrong at best, or lied at worst, when claiming their immigration status...

It turns out that such response error was common for self-reported non-citizens in the 2010-2012 CCES Panel Study — a survey that re-interviewed 19,533 respondents in 2012 who had currently participated in the 2010 CCES. The first table below, for instance, shows that nearly one-fifth of CCES panelists who said that they were not American citizens in 2012 actually reported being American citizens when they were originally surveyed for the 2010 CCES. Since it’s illogical for non-citizens in 2012 to have been American citizens back in 2010, it appears that a substantial number of self-reported non-citizens inaccurately reported their (non)citizenship status in the CCES surveys.​

Maybe in 2010 they didn't admit to being non-citizens because they were afraid they were being tricked and ICE might come get them but by 2012 they were no longer afraid of deportation under Obama.

Sounds more like the 2010 non-citizenship was understated.



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You're certainly welcome to make up any stories you think help your case, but you can't shake the inescapable reality that it's nothing more than an unscientific online poll, rendering the data utterly useless.

Nope, it sheds light onto a problem that is very difficult to get good numbers on because people try to hide their illegal action and the governments that participate do their best to limit their exposure.

The 3 million illegals as an estimate is probably a very fair figure.


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[Faun]

So what? Secretaries of State are typically the co-chair for the candidate from the same party as their governor. If California's governor was a Republican, the Secretary of state would have been co-chair for Trump's campaign in California.

UNCOUNTED: The True Story of the California Primary | naked capitalism



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What exactly did you want me to look at on that page? There are many stories on there. And what does this have to do with Padilla being Hillary Clinton's co-chair for California. Again, that's typical for secretaries of state.

Padilla's the lead guy in California and there was a ton of irregularities during the Primary that helped HRC and hurt Sanders. You may not care but I think it stinks when the guy is campaigning for HRC.


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Now you're straying from the plantation. We're talking about motor voter allowing illegal aliens to vote. Now you're venturing into conspiracy claims because Padilla, like most secretaries of states across the nation, was the co-chair for his governor's party.

You just don't want to admit that the state with the highest degree of control by democrats and the most relaxed laws for illegals doesn't have a problem with voter fraud.

I worked for a Hispanic owned company and know that there is a big problem with voter fraud. I saw it first hand. Southern California is ripe with it. So is Las Vegas, Phoenix, and Albuquerque. I've seen the illegals voting. I've seen them work under a stolen ID and collecting benefits under their real name. I've seen them get indigent care for the birth of their child by only showing a Mexican drivers license.

I will never return to Southern California. It is the most bullshit place I have ever done business. It is one of the most backward places I've ever been. The dumbest people in the country and that's saying something because the people in southern Louisiana are pretty stupid too but Los Angeles beats them for being just as dumb and the rudest damn people ever.




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It's not that I don't want to admit it -- it's that you have not only failed miserably to prove it, you have shown a complete disregard for facts you find inconvenient; some of which even came from links you posted.

All indications are illegals cannot get the same driver's license as folks here legally. All indications are that illegals special driver's licenses cannot be used to obtain voter's registration. All indications are illegals who register online for voter's registrations are denied.

All this was shown to you. You have nothing but conjecture and suggestions to counter this with. You failed to show illegals can vote in California and you certainly failed to prove any did.

 

[Faun]

As we always knew, California and American elections are filled with fraud and corruption. Thanks to a new poll, we now know that approximately 13% of illegal aliens vote. Since they are already criminals, stealing ID’s or using phony ID’s. lie to get welfare, steal jobs—why not vote as they to lose. Since they can not be deported or jailed, they have nothing to lose. Obama is protecting these law breakers.
Could this be why real citizens don’t vote—the illegal aliens outvote them? Worse, in close elections illegal aliens can make the difference. Corruption? Look at the ballot box. In fact, they could have elected a President and Senator!
“Since 80 percent of noncitizens vote Democratic, according to the study, noncitizen participation could have “been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes [in North Carolina in 2008], and Congressional elections” such as the 2008 race in Minnesota in which Al Franken was elected to the U.S. Senate, giving “Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote” to pass Obamacare. The Old Dominion/George Mason study was sharply attacked by progressive critics, but the mounting evidence makes clear this is a real problem.”
ICE-Immigration-Agents
Poll Shows Noncitizens Can Shape Elections
Hans von Spakovsky, Daily signal—Heritage Foundation, 6/2/15
Hans von Spakovsky is an authority on a wide range of issues—including civil rights, civil justice, the First Amendment, immigration, the rule of law and government reform—as a senior legal fellow in The Heritage Foundation’s Edwin Meese III Center for Legal and Judicial Studies and manager of the think tank’s Election Law Reform Initiative. Read his research.
A poll by John McLaughlin confirms again we may have a significant problem with noncitizens participating illegally in our elections. Based on a sample survey of 800 Hispanics in 2013, McLaughlin found that of foreign-born respondents who were registered voters, 13 percent admitted they were not United States citizens.
In our 2012 book on voter fraud, John Fund and I noted numerous cases of noncitizen registration and voting all over the country. Only a month ago, the Board of Immigration Appeals of the Executive Office for Immigration Review at the Justice Department held that a Peruvian citizen who illegally registered and voted in the 2006 congressional election could be deported for violating federal law. The only reason she was caught is because she applied for naturalization in 2007 and admitted in the INS interview that she had voted in an American election.
In 2014, a study released by three professors at Old Dominion University and George Mason University, based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, estimated 6.4 percent of noncitizens voted illegally in the 2008 presidential election and 2.2 percent voted in the 2010 midterm congressional elections.
Since 80 percent of noncitizens vote Democratic, according to the study, noncitizen participation could have “been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes [in North Carolina in 2008], and Congressional elections” such as the 2008 race in Minnesota in which Al Franken was elected to the U.S. Senate, giving “Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote” to pass Obamacare. The Old Dominion/George Mason study was sharply attacked by progressive critics, but the mounting evidence makes clear this is a real problem.
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In 2013, McLaughlin, a Republican pollster, conducted an extensive “National Hispanic Survey” to determine the attitudes of Hispanic Americans on immigration issues. McLaughlin went to a great deal of trouble to try to make this survey as accurate as possible, including conducting 60 percent of the interviews in Spanish. In results that run counter to what the mainstream media seems to think about the attitudes of Hispanics, the results showed strong support for everything from increased border security and tougher enforcement of immigration laws to “stopping undocumented immigrants who are already here from getting food stamps, welfare, Medicaid and Obamacare benefits.”
But buried in the back of the survey on page 68 is a “Voter Profile” that reveals that 13 percent of noncitizen respondents admitted they were registered to vote (a violation of state and federal law), which matches closely the Old Dominion/George Mason study finding that 14.8 percent of noncitizens admitted they were registered to vote in 2008 and 15.6 percent of noncitizens admitted they were registered in 2010.
When these numbers were adjusted to take into account various factors, such as noncitizens “who said they were not [registered but] were actually registered,” the Old Dominion/George Mason study’s authors concluded that the true percentage was probably closer to 25 percent.
There is no doubt the registration rate of noncitizens varies depending on the jurisdiction, and the percentage of those voting is likely smaller. But whether the registration rate is 13 percent as McLaughlin found or 25 percent as the Old Dominion/George Mason study estimated, there seems little doubt that there are enough noncitizens registering and voting to potentially make the difference in close elections.


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More rightardedness. <smh>

When they say their findings are "based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study," what they don't say is that survey was an unscientific non-probability online poll...

Methodological challenges affect study of non-citizens’ voting

A number of academics and commentators have already expressed skepticism about the paper’s assumptions and conclusions, though. In a series of tweets, New York Times columnist Nate Cohn focused his criticism on Richman et al’s use of Cooperative Congressional Election Study data to make inferences about the non-citizen voting population. That critique has some merit, too. The 2008 and 2010 CCES surveyed large opt-in Internet samples constructed by the polling firm YouGov to be nationally representative of the adult citizen population.​

Furthermore, it was determined that respondents were wrong at best, or lied at worst, when claiming their immigration status...

It turns out that such response error was common for self-reported non-citizens in the 2010-2012 CCES Panel Study — a survey that re-interviewed 19,533 respondents in 2012 who had currently participated in the 2010 CCES. The first table below, for instance, shows that nearly one-fifth of CCES panelists who said that they were not American citizens in 2012 actually reported being American citizens when they were originally surveyed for the 2010 CCES. Since it’s illogical for non-citizens in 2012 to have been American citizens back in 2010, it appears that a substantial number of self-reported non-citizens inaccurately reported their (non)citizenship status in the CCES surveys.​

Maybe in 2010 they didn't admit to being non-citizens because they were afraid they were being tricked and ICE might come get them but by 2012 they were no longer afraid of deportation under Obama.

Sounds more like the 2010 non-citizenship was understated.



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You're certainly welcome to make up any stories you think help your case, but you can't shake the inescapable reality that it's nothing more than an unscientific online poll, rendering the data utterly useless.

Nope, it sheds light onto a problem that is very difficult to get good numbers on because people try to hide their illegal action and the governments that participate do their best to limit their exposure.

LOLOL

You have presented zero evidence that California is passing laws which allow for illegals to vote. For you to casually toss in, "and the governments that participate do their best to limit their exposure," when in fact, you can't even show where California has done so, is laughable.

The 3 million illegals as an estimate is probably a very fair figure.

LOL

You're fucking deranged.

Need I remind you, the only evidence you have presented to demonstrate this nonsense is a tweet from a guy which who was not actually affiliated with the organization your article claimed; and an unscientific non-probability online poll which even you admitted respondents lied on.

Based on that and other delusions floating around in your head, you reach the unfounded conclusion that 3 million illegals voted in the election.

This, coming after every claim you made about California laws allow illegals to vote shot down by the actual California laws.

 

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What exactly did you want me to look at on that page? There are many stories on there. And what does this have to do with Padilla being Hillary Clinton's co-chair for California. Again, that's typical for secretaries of state.

Padilla's the lead guy in California and there was a ton of irregularities during the Primary that helped HRC and hurt Sanders. You may not care but I think it stinks when the guy is campaigning for HRC.


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Now you're straying from the plantation. We're talking about motor voter allowing illegal aliens to vote. Now you're venturing into conspiracy claims because Padilla, like most secretaries of states across the nation, was the co-chair for his governor's party.

You just don't want to admit that the state with the highest degree of control by democrats and the most relaxed laws for illegals doesn't have a problem with voter fraud.

I worked for a Hispanic owned company and know that there is a big problem with voter fraud. I saw it first hand. Southern California is ripe with it. So is Las Vegas, Phoenix, and Albuquerque. I've seen the illegals voting. I've seen them work under a stolen ID and collecting benefits under their real name. I've seen them get indigent care for the birth of their child by only showing a Mexican drivers license.

I will never return to Southern California. It is the most bullshit place I have ever done business. It is one of the most backward places I've ever been. The dumbest people in the country and that's saying something because the people in southern Louisiana are pretty stupid too but Los Angeles beats them for being just as dumb and the rudest damn people ever.




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It's not that I don't want to admit it -- it's that you have not only failed miserably to prove it, you have shown a complete disregard for facts you find inconvenient; some of which even came from links you posted.

All indications are illegals cannot get the same driver's license as folks here legally. All indications are that illegals special driver's licenses cannot be used to obtain voter's registration. All indications are illegals who register online for voter's registrations are denied.

All this was shown to you. You have nothing but conjecture and suggestions to counter this with. You failed to show illegals can vote in California and you certainly failed to prove any did.

Illegals are voting in California all the time are you kidding. The vote all over the USA. ICE agents have gone on the record that 10% of the illegals they arrest are registered to vote.
You libs like to play this game because these cases are rarely prosecuted due the our government considering this a victimless crime so there are no concrete criminal statistics on it.

You can judge the figures by the fraud found in the voting roles that we know of such as people long dead still on the roles or people caught on camera after the election telling the news cameras how they voted numerous times.

There is lots of fraud and the illegals are right there in it also.


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[davecmarino]

As we always knew, California and American elections are filled with fraud and corruption. Thanks to a new poll, we now know that approximately 13% of illegal aliens vote. Since they are already criminals, stealing ID’s or using phony ID’s. lie to get welfare, steal jobs—why not vote as they to lose. Since they can not be deported or jailed, they have nothing to lose. Obama is protecting these law breakers.
Could this be why real citizens don’t vote—the illegal aliens outvote them? Worse, in close elections illegal aliens can make the difference. Corruption? Look at the ballot box. In fact, they could have elected a President and Senator!
“Since 80 percent of noncitizens vote Democratic, according to the study, noncitizen participation could have “been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes [in North Carolina in 2008], and Congressional elections” such as the 2008 race in Minnesota in which Al Franken was elected to the U.S. Senate, giving “Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote” to pass Obamacare. The Old Dominion/George Mason study was sharply attacked by progressive critics, but the mounting evidence makes clear this is a real problem.”
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Poll Shows Noncitizens Can Shape Elections
Hans von Spakovsky, Daily signal—Heritage Foundation, 6/2/15
Hans von Spakovsky is an authority on a wide range of issues—including civil rights, civil justice, the First Amendment, immigration, the rule of law and government reform—as a senior legal fellow in The Heritage Foundation’s Edwin Meese III Center for Legal and Judicial Studies and manager of the think tank’s Election Law Reform Initiative. Read his research.
A poll by John McLaughlin confirms again we may have a significant problem with noncitizens participating illegally in our elections. Based on a sample survey of 800 Hispanics in 2013, McLaughlin found that of foreign-born respondents who were registered voters, 13 percent admitted they were not United States citizens.
In our 2012 book on voter fraud, John Fund and I noted numerous cases of noncitizen registration and voting all over the country. Only a month ago, the Board of Immigration Appeals of the Executive Office for Immigration Review at the Justice Department held that a Peruvian citizen who illegally registered and voted in the 2006 congressional election could be deported for violating federal law. The only reason she was caught is because she applied for naturalization in 2007 and admitted in the INS interview that she had voted in an American election.
In 2014, a study released by three professors at Old Dominion University and George Mason University, based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, estimated 6.4 percent of noncitizens voted illegally in the 2008 presidential election and 2.2 percent voted in the 2010 midterm congressional elections.
Since 80 percent of noncitizens vote Democratic, according to the study, noncitizen participation could have “been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes [in North Carolina in 2008], and Congressional elections” such as the 2008 race in Minnesota in which Al Franken was elected to the U.S. Senate, giving “Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote” to pass Obamacare. The Old Dominion/George Mason study was sharply attacked by progressive critics, but the mounting evidence makes clear this is a real problem.
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In 2013, McLaughlin, a Republican pollster, conducted an extensive “National Hispanic Survey” to determine the attitudes of Hispanic Americans on immigration issues. McLaughlin went to a great deal of trouble to try to make this survey as accurate as possible, including conducting 60 percent of the interviews in Spanish. In results that run counter to what the mainstream media seems to think about the attitudes of Hispanics, the results showed strong support for everything from increased border security and tougher enforcement of immigration laws to “stopping undocumented immigrants who are already here from getting food stamps, welfare, Medicaid and Obamacare benefits.”
But buried in the back of the survey on page 68 is a “Voter Profile” that reveals that 13 percent of noncitizen respondents admitted they were registered to vote (a violation of state and federal law), which matches closely the Old Dominion/George Mason study finding that 14.8 percent of noncitizens admitted they were registered to vote in 2008 and 15.6 percent of noncitizens admitted they were registered in 2010.
When these numbers were adjusted to take into account various factors, such as noncitizens “who said they were not [registered but] were actually registered,” the Old Dominion/George Mason study’s authors concluded that the true percentage was probably closer to 25 percent.
There is no doubt the registration rate of noncitizens varies depending on the jurisdiction, and the percentage of those voting is likely smaller. But whether the registration rate is 13 percent as McLaughlin found or 25 percent as the Old Dominion/George Mason study estimated, there seems little doubt that there are enough noncitizens registering and voting to potentially make the difference in close elections.


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More rightardedness. <smh>

When they say their findings are "based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study," what they don't say is that survey was an unscientific non-probability online poll...

Methodological challenges affect study of non-citizens’ voting

A number of academics and commentators have already expressed skepticism about the paper’s assumptions and conclusions, though. In a series of tweets, New York Times columnist Nate Cohn focused his criticism on Richman et al’s use of Cooperative Congressional Election Study data to make inferences about the non-citizen voting population. That critique has some merit, too. The 2008 and 2010 CCES surveyed large opt-in Internet samples constructed by the polling firm YouGov to be nationally representative of the adult citizen population.​

Furthermore, it was determined that respondents were wrong at best, or lied at worst, when claiming their immigration status...

It turns out that such response error was common for self-reported non-citizens in the 2010-2012 CCES Panel Study — a survey that re-interviewed 19,533 respondents in 2012 who had currently participated in the 2010 CCES. The first table below, for instance, shows that nearly one-fifth of CCES panelists who said that they were not American citizens in 2012 actually reported being American citizens when they were originally surveyed for the 2010 CCES. Since it’s illogical for non-citizens in 2012 to have been American citizens back in 2010, it appears that a substantial number of self-reported non-citizens inaccurately reported their (non)citizenship status in the CCES surveys.​

Maybe in 2010 they didn't admit to being non-citizens because they were afraid they were being tricked and ICE might come get them but by 2012 they were no longer afraid of deportation under Obama.

Sounds more like the 2010 non-citizenship was understated.



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You're certainly welcome to make up any stories you think help your case, but you can't shake the inescapable reality that it's nothing more than an unscientific online poll, rendering the data utterly useless.

Nope, it sheds light onto a problem that is very difficult to get good numbers on because people try to hide their illegal action and the governments that participate do their best to limit their exposure.

LOLOL

You have presented zero evidence that California is passing laws which allow for illegals to vote. For you to casually toss in, "and the governments that participate do their best to limit their exposure," when in fact, you can't even show where California has done so, is laughable.

The 3 million illegals as an estimate is probably a very fair figure.

LOL

You're fucking deranged.

Need I remind you, the only evidence you have presented to demonstrate this nonsense is a tweet from a guy which who was not actually affiliated with the organization your article claimed; and an unscientific non-probability online poll which even you admitted respondents lied on.

Based on that and other delusions floating around in your head, you reach the unfounded conclusion that 3 million illegals voted in the election.

This, coming after every claim you made about California laws allow illegals to vote shot down by the actual California laws.

You mean like the California law that waived criminal liability for those illegal who are inadvertently registered to vote and then actually vote under the motor voter law. Those laws.

It is written right into the law and you don't want to see it. No wonder libs are so dumb.


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What exactly did you want me to look at on that page? There are many stories on there. And what does this have to do with Padilla being Hillary Clinton's co-chair for California. Again, that's typical for secretaries of state.

Padilla's the lead guy in California and there was a ton of irregularities during the Primary that helped HRC and hurt Sanders. You may not care but I think it stinks when the guy is campaigning for HRC.


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Now you're straying from the plantation. We're talking about motor voter allowing illegal aliens to vote. Now you're venturing into conspiracy claims because Padilla, like most secretaries of states across the nation, was the co-chair for his governor's party.

You just don't want to admit that the state with the highest degree of control by democrats and the most relaxed laws for illegals doesn't have a problem with voter fraud.

I worked for a Hispanic owned company and know that there is a big problem with voter fraud. I saw it first hand. Southern California is ripe with it. So is Las Vegas, Phoenix, and Albuquerque. I've seen the illegals voting. I've seen them work under a stolen ID and collecting benefits under their real name. I've seen them get indigent care for the birth of their child by only showing a Mexican drivers license.

I will never return to Southern California. It is the most bullshit place I have ever done business. It is one of the most backward places I've ever been. The dumbest people in the country and that's saying something because the people in southern Louisiana are pretty stupid too but Los Angeles beats them for being just as dumb and the rudest damn people ever.




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It's not that I don't want to admit it -- it's that you have not only failed miserably to prove it, you have shown a complete disregard for facts you find inconvenient; some of which even came from links you posted.

All indications are illegals cannot get the same driver's license as folks here legally. All indications are that illegals special driver's licenses cannot be used to obtain voter's registration. All indications are illegals who register online for voter's registrations are denied.

All this was shown to you. You have nothing but conjecture and suggestions to counter this with. You failed to show illegals can vote in California and you certainly failed to prove any did.

Illegals are voting in California all the time are you kidding. The vote all over the USA. ICE agents have gone on the record that 10% of the illegals they arrest are registered to vote.
You libs like to play this game because these cases are rarely prosecuted due the our government considering this a victimless crime so there are no concrete criminal statistics on it.

You can judge the figures by the fraud found in the voting roles that we know of such as people long dead still on the roles or people caught on camera after the election telling the news cameras how they voted numerous times.

There is lots of fraud and the illegals are right there in it also.


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If illegals voting in California was as rampant as you make it appear, don't you find it odd you can't find one who voted for Hillary?

As far as dead people still on the roles, those are at least people who were at some point in time, allowed to be on the roles. That could be nefarious in that they weren't scrubbed as they should be. But at least there's a tangible explanation. Whereas with illegals, you can't even show how they have a path to legally get registered to vote. AB-60 doesn't allow it. Neither does the Motor Voter Act.

 

[davecmarino]

Autumn 2004: Voter Fraud in California

Among the many abuses it has spawned, the Motor Voter law seems to have enabled illegal aliens to vote—for Democrats, evidence suggests. A 1996 INS investigation into alleged Motor Voter fraud in California's 46th Congressional district discovered that "4,023 illegal voters possibly cast ballots in the disputed election between Republican Robert Dornan and Democrat Loretta Sanchez." Dornan lost by fewer than 1,000 votes. (Source)

Voter Fraud in the US: Documented (Part 1) - Discover the Networks

It's been a problem in California for a long time. You want to put your head in the sand or pretend that it isn't a problem today especially in the kind of races we just had. Please keep showing us how ridiculously gullible you are. You will believe everything a liberal tells you and nothing that a conservative tells you even if it goes against statistical probability and historically documented experience in similar situations.


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[davecmarino]

Padilla's the lead guy in California and there was a ton of irregularities during the Primary that helped HRC and hurt Sanders. You may not care but I think it stinks when the guy is campaigning for HRC.


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Now you're straying from the plantation. We're talking about motor voter allowing illegal aliens to vote. Now you're venturing into conspiracy claims because Padilla, like most secretaries of states across the nation, was the co-chair for his governor's party.

You just don't want to admit that the state with the highest degree of control by democrats and the most relaxed laws for illegals doesn't have a problem with voter fraud.

I worked for a Hispanic owned company and know that there is a big problem with voter fraud. I saw it first hand. Southern California is ripe with it. So is Las Vegas, Phoenix, and Albuquerque. I've seen the illegals voting. I've seen them work under a stolen ID and collecting benefits under their real name. I've seen them get indigent care for the birth of their child by only showing a Mexican drivers license.

I will never return to Southern California. It is the most bullshit place I have ever done business. It is one of the most backward places I've ever been. The dumbest people in the country and that's saying something because the people in southern Louisiana are pretty stupid too but Los Angeles beats them for being just as dumb and the rudest damn people ever.




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It's not that I don't want to admit it -- it's that you have not only failed miserably to prove it, you have shown a complete disregard for facts you find inconvenient; some of which even came from links you posted.

All indications are illegals cannot get the same driver's license as folks here legally. All indications are that illegals special driver's licenses cannot be used to obtain voter's registration. All indications are illegals who register online for voter's registrations are denied.

All this was shown to you. You have nothing but conjecture and suggestions to counter this with. You failed to show illegals can vote in California and you certainly failed to prove any did.

Illegals are voting in California all the time are you kidding. The vote all over the USA. ICE agents have gone on the record that 10% of the illegals they arrest are registered to vote.
You libs like to play this game because these cases are rarely prosecuted due the our government considering this a victimless crime so there are no concrete criminal statistics on it.

You can judge the figures by the fraud found in the voting roles that we know of such as people long dead still on the roles or people caught on camera after the election telling the news cameras how they voted numerous times.

There is lots of fraud and the illegals are right there in it also.


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If illegals voting in California was as rampant as you make it appear, don't you find it odd you can't find one who voted for Hillary?

As far as dead people still on the roles, those are at least people who were at some point in time, allowed to be on the roles. That could be nefarious in that they weren't scrubbed as they should be. But at least there's a tangible explanation. Whereas with illegals, you can't even show how they have a path to legally get registered to vote. AB-60 doesn't allow it. Neither does the Motor Voter Act.

Already have and you just don't want to hear it. Two paths include both registered at DMV at kiosk or via internet after procurement of the DL and SS card. Both of which are relatively easy to obtain because of loosened SS requirements under the any legal need justification and the DL AB 60 procedures.

You just don't want to see it for what it is. The fact that sanctuary cities aren't prosecuting voter fraud by illegals is not evidence that it isn't occurring. The PDs in California even went on record to tell illegals that they will not share the database of names and addresses of the newly registered illegals now with drivers licenses with ICE for deportation processing.

Let that sink in. You are law enforcement and know where an illegal is living and you refuse to share that with ICE to deport a person who either crossed the border illegally or overstayed a visa.

California is disgusting. Criminal operation for the advancement of a political agenda.

 

[Faun]

More rightardedness. <smh>

When they say their findings are "based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study," what they don't say is that survey was an unscientific non-probability online poll...

Methodological challenges affect study of non-citizens’ voting

A number of academics and commentators have already expressed skepticism about the paper’s assumptions and conclusions, though. In a series of tweets, New York Times columnist Nate Cohn focused his criticism on Richman et al’s use of Cooperative Congressional Election Study data to make inferences about the non-citizen voting population. That critique has some merit, too. The 2008 and 2010 CCES surveyed large opt-in Internet samples constructed by the polling firm YouGov to be nationally representative of the adult citizen population.​

Furthermore, it was determined that respondents were wrong at best, or lied at worst, when claiming their immigration status...

It turns out that such response error was common for self-reported non-citizens in the 2010-2012 CCES Panel Study — a survey that re-interviewed 19,533 respondents in 2012 who had currently participated in the 2010 CCES. The first table below, for instance, shows that nearly one-fifth of CCES panelists who said that they were not American citizens in 2012 actually reported being American citizens when they were originally surveyed for the 2010 CCES. Since it’s illogical for non-citizens in 2012 to have been American citizens back in 2010, it appears that a substantial number of self-reported non-citizens inaccurately reported their (non)citizenship status in the CCES surveys.​

Maybe in 2010 they didn't admit to being non-citizens because they were afraid they were being tricked and ICE might come get them but by 2012 they were no longer afraid of deportation under Obama.

Sounds more like the 2010 non-citizenship was understated.



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You're certainly welcome to make up any stories you think help your case, but you can't shake the inescapable reality that it's nothing more than an unscientific online poll, rendering the data utterly useless.

Nope, it sheds light onto a problem that is very difficult to get good numbers on because people try to hide their illegal action and the governments that participate do their best to limit their exposure.

LOLOL

You have presented zero evidence that California is passing laws which allow for illegals to vote. For you to casually toss in, "and the governments that participate do their best to limit their exposure," when in fact, you can't even show where California has done so, is laughable.

The 3 million illegals as an estimate is probably a very fair figure.

LOL

You're fucking deranged.

Need I remind you, the only evidence you have presented to demonstrate this nonsense is a tweet from a guy which who was not actually affiliated with the organization your article claimed; and an unscientific non-probability online poll which even you admitted respondents lied on.

Based on that and other delusions floating around in your head, you reach the unfounded conclusion that 3 million illegals voted in the election.

This, coming after every claim you made about California laws allow illegals to vote shot down by the actual California laws.

You mean like the California law that waived criminal liability for those illegal who are inadvertently registered to vote and then actually vote under the motor voter law. Those laws.

It is written right into the law and you don't want to see it. No wonder libs are so dumb.


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Stop lying about what I see, don't see, or don't want to see. I'm well aware of that provision.

The bill specifically states it's intended for citizens, who the bill recognizes have a fundamental right to vote.

It is the intent of the Legislature to enact the California New Motor Voter Program to provide California citizens additional opportunities to participate in democracy through exercise of their fundamental right to vote.

It also states California must meet all eligibility requirements to vote in order to be registered under that bill. This alone excluded illegal aliens.

A person who is at least 16 years of age and otherwise meets all eligibility requirements to vote may submit his or her affidavit of registration as prescribed by this section.

And lastly, the bill indicates such people who are automatically registered to vote, must meet all voter eligibility requirements.

The person’s motor vehicle records would then constitute a completed affidavit of registration and the person would be registered to vote, unless the person affirmatively declined to be registered to vote during a transaction with the department, the department did not represent to the Secretary of State that the person attested that he or she meets all voter eligibility requirements, as specified, or the Secretary of State determines that the person is ineligible to vote.

As far as the provisions protecting illegals who are inadvertently registered...

2268. If a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote pursuant to this chapter in the absence of a violation by that person of Section 18100, that person’s registration shall be presumed to have been effected with official authorization and not the fault of that person.

2269. If a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote pursuant to this chapter and votes or attempts to vote in an election held after the effective date of the person’s registration, that person shall be presumed to have acted with official authorization and shall not be guilty of fraudulently voting or attempting to vote pursuant to Section 18560, unless that person willfully votes or attempts to vote knowing that he or she is not entitled to vote.

... that is to protect ineligible voters who would have wrongly become registered at no fault of their own since it is an automated system. The bill also provides a mechanism for such people to have their registration revoked.

2270 (a). A process for canceling the registration of a person who is ineligible to vote, but became registered under the California New Motor Voter Program in the absence of any violation by that person of Section 18100.

Exactly how many times are you willing to lose this argument?

 

[Faun]

Autumn 2004: Voter Fraud in California

Among the many abuses it has spawned, the Motor Voter law seems to have enabled illegal aliens to vote—for Democrats, evidence suggests. A 1996 INS investigation into alleged Motor Voter fraud in California's 46th Congressional district discovered that "4,023 illegal voters possibly cast ballots in the disputed election between Republican Robert Dornan and Democrat Loretta Sanchez." Dornan lost by fewer than 1,000 votes. (Source)

Voter Fraud in the US: Documented (Part 1) - Discover the Networks

It's been a problem in California for a long time. You want to put your head in the sand or pretend that it isn't a problem today especially in the kind of races we just had. Please keep showing us how ridiculously gullible you are. You will believe everything a liberal tells you and nothing that a conservative tells you even if it goes against statistical probability and historically documented experience in similar situations.


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What the fuck does voter fraud in 2004 have to do with the two laws (AB-60, 2013 & AB-1461, 2015) you claim allow illegals to vote in 2016?

 

[Faun]

Now you're straying from the plantation. We're talking about motor voter allowing illegal aliens to vote. Now you're venturing into conspiracy claims because Padilla, like most secretaries of states across the nation, was the co-chair for his governor's party.

You just don't want to admit that the state with the highest degree of control by democrats and the most relaxed laws for illegals doesn't have a problem with voter fraud.

I worked for a Hispanic owned company and know that there is a big problem with voter fraud. I saw it first hand. Southern California is ripe with it. So is Las Vegas, Phoenix, and Albuquerque. I've seen the illegals voting. I've seen them work under a stolen ID and collecting benefits under their real name. I've seen them get indigent care for the birth of their child by only showing a Mexican drivers license.

I will never return to Southern California. It is the most bullshit place I have ever done business. It is one of the most backward places I've ever been. The dumbest people in the country and that's saying something because the people in southern Louisiana are pretty stupid too but Los Angeles beats them for being just as dumb and the rudest damn people ever.




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It's not that I don't want to admit it -- it's that you have not only failed miserably to prove it, you have shown a complete disregard for facts you find inconvenient; some of which even came from links you posted.

All indications are illegals cannot get the same driver's license as folks here legally. All indications are that illegals special driver's licenses cannot be used to obtain voter's registration. All indications are illegals who register online for voter's registrations are denied.

All this was shown to you. You have nothing but conjecture and suggestions to counter this with. You failed to show illegals can vote in California and you certainly failed to prove any did.

Illegals are voting in California all the time are you kidding. The vote all over the USA. ICE agents have gone on the record that 10% of the illegals they arrest are registered to vote.
You libs like to play this game because these cases are rarely prosecuted due the our government considering this a victimless crime so there are no concrete criminal statistics on it.

You can judge the figures by the fraud found in the voting roles that we know of such as people long dead still on the roles or people caught on camera after the election telling the news cameras how they voted numerous times.

There is lots of fraud and the illegals are right there in it also.


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If illegals voting in California was as rampant as you make it appear, don't you find it odd you can't find one who voted for Hillary?

As far as dead people still on the roles, those are at least people who were at some point in time, allowed to be on the roles. That could be nefarious in that they weren't scrubbed as they should be. But at least there's a tangible explanation. Whereas with illegals, you can't even show how they have a path to legally get registered to vote. AB-60 doesn't allow it. Neither does the Motor Voter Act.

Already have and you just don't want to hear it. Two paths include both registered at DMV at kiosk or via internet after procurement of the DL and SS card. Both of which are relatively easy to obtain because of loosened SS requirements under the any legal need justification and the DL AB 60 procedures.

You have not proven any of that. You have not proven illegals can legally obtain a social security card. You have not proven an illegal can use an AB60 driver's license to successfully register to vote. You have not proven an illegal can be automatically registered to vote thanks to AB-1461.

Sure, you've made claims that illegals have a path to vote -- but regrettably for you, you haven't proved it.

Meanwhile, AB-60 clearly excludes illegals from eligibility to register to vote; and AB-1461 clearly excludes illegals from being registered to vote.

your own link, which you posted earlier also clearly states this.

What about people in the country illegally who are able to obtain driver's licenses in California under a law passed in 2013?

Padilla noted that there is already a separate process for residents in the country illegally to apply for special licenses. Although citizens are currently offered the opportunity to register to vote at the DMV under an earlier federal law, noncitizens are not. That will continue under the new registration process. People applying for the special licenses will not be asked about their eligibility to vote and will not be asked if they’d like to opt out of registration.

“We’ve built the protocols and the firewalls to not register people that aren’t eligible,” Padilla said. “We’re going to keep those firewalls in place."
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You're at the point where you're ignoring your own links because they stand in stark contrast to your rightwinged hallucinations.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Facts are all posted. You can see how they have systematically rigged the election

Not one single fact about one illegal vote cast in the 2016 election has been posted. You admittedly have no facts now but you believe the tooth fairy will bring you some facts now that the fake news President
Is going to be sworn in. Fake News loses it's shiny object status when coming from the White House. So dream on.

Your party you claim will spend money forcing big government restrictions on states all based on data that does not exist.

Some whacko Tweets he has a database that nobody can see the Reds in DC want big government to fix s non-existent problem.

That is where your factless posts have taken you.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

PoliticalChic, post: 16157251

I just reported 3 million of 'em in this thread.

Where's the nanes and addresses and the precinct where they illegally voted.

Just another lie in the day of PoliticalChic.

 

[owebo]

PoliticalChic, post: 16157251

I just reported 3 million of 'em in this thread.

Where's the nanes and addresses and the precinct where they illegally voted.

Just another lie in the day of PoliticalChic.

Detroit....

 

[PoliticalChic]

PoliticalChic, post: 16157251

I just reported 3 million of 'em in this thread.

Where's the nanes and addresses and the precinct where they illegally voted.

Just another lie in the day of PoliticalChic.

Why are you so interested in the names and addresses of illegal aliens?

Is there some.....personal desire.....behind the request????


Plus....with over 3 million of 'em having followed Snake Obama's instructions, and voted....you might not have the time....for whatever you have in mind.



Enough chit chat.....when will you be shortening your avi to FOOL????


I have the confetti ready!