Scotland loses indyref2

[frigidweirdo]

Leftists always work against what they claim they are for.....It's how they roll.

Do they? Labour gave Scotland their own parliament. Is that working against what they claim they're working for? Nope

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Leftists always work against what they claim they are for.....It's how they roll.

The right’s war on democracy continues.

 

[alexa]

There have been some developments Brown's idea of a shake up of Government which was basically what he said would happen in 2014 has had little reaction. Once bitten and all that. What is going up is the percentage of people who believe that we should have another vote at the time Nicola has posted. Prior to this ruling it was near enough 50-50 as to whether people wanted the vote but now those numbers are gradually growing. What is also interesting is that those groups who before were not so interested, now want a vote.

Nicola has said a majority vote for the SNP in the next General Election would be taken as a vote for another Independence vote. Well according to a recent IPOS poll if an election was held today the SNP would get 58 seats at Westminster. One vote would go to Scottish Labour and no votes to anyone else letting Westminster have no doubt that the people of Scotland want another Independence vote.

Even in the polls just for Independence the SNP is making great strides. Yes has gone up from 51% to 56% with No 44% - seemingly no don't no's! If we look at younger people we find even bigger differences. The latest Mori poll shows that 70% of the 16-34 year olds would vote Yes to Independence and if we go just for the 16-24 year olds we find that 73% would say yes. That one is important because it is known that they voted narrowly No in 2014. Even the over 65's are moving towards yes, well maybe not very quickly but moving that way with 45% saying they would vote yes.

I got these numbers in a link I will leave. It includes a good article on how the UK has drifted its citizens into poverty.

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[Ringo]

It was Scotland that wanted to join England way back when. Just in case you forgot that.

It was the population of Ukraine that begged Russia to accept them into russian citizenship. Literally.
And Russia had to go to war for 13 years with Poland, when she agreed to the plea of ukrainians.
Nevertheless, the "free community" helps ukrainians with weapons today.

 

[alexa]

It was the population of Ukraine that begged Russia to accept them into russian citizenship. Literally.
And Russia had to go to war for 13 years with Poland, when she agreed to the plea of ukrainians.
Nevertheless, the "free community" helps ukrainians with weapons today.

It isn't really true that Scotland wanted to be part of a Union with England at that time. What happened was that England made it impossible for Scotland to make money abroad like everyone else in Europe was doing. They couldn't go anywhere without using the English . For example 75% of the people had to be English! Scotland found a loophole and borrowed money from every sector of Scottish Society and went off to make a Colony in the Isthmus of Panama. Again due to the actions of the English as well as the Spanish finishing them off they failed and returned home losing a great number of people. Having invested pretty much all of Scotland's money the future looked bleak. It was then that England suggested the Union and if my memory serves me well they had suggested this before, but the Scot's had said No. It was up to the Scottish Parliament not the people to decide. The English added an extra bribe of personal money for those who voted yes. The Parliament voted for Union believing that this was the only thing which would financial save Scotland as well of course as the bribe. This was not the will of the Scottish people and there were riots for a long time. England told Scotland that she would have an equal voice. Though England said the same in 2014 this has never been the case.

How The Darien Scheme Changed the History of Scotland's Independence

William Paterson dreamt to establish a Scottish colony and international trade post at Darien, Panama. Did the Darien scheme cause Scotland's lost freedom?

www.historicmysteries.com

 

[Captain Caveman]

It was the population of Ukraine that begged Russia to accept them into russian citizenship. Literally.
And Russia had to go to war for 13 years with Poland, when she agreed to the plea of ukrainians.
Nevertheless, the "free community" helps ukrainians with weapons today.

Does anyone know why Scotland wanted to join England? And what makes Scotland think they can manage their money again since they continually post the largest deficit of any EU country for over 13 years in a row.

But there again, if Scotland truly wanted independence, they would want the English to vote, because they'll be fucking kicked out in an instant. The twinning ginger drunk inbred Scotch.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Does anyone know why Scotland wanted to join England? And what makes Scotland think they can manage their money again since they continually post the largest deficit of any EU country for over 13 years in a row.

But there again, if Scotland truly wanted independence, they would want the English to vote, because they'll be fucking kicked out in an instant. The twinning ginger drunk inbred Scotch.

England joined Scotland. The king of Scotland became the king of England, and as such he merged the two together.

Actually England is the biggest Tory voting part of the union, and the Tories feel they have a right to lord it over everyone else.
They said we needed to get out of the EU, but "better of together" for Scotland's referendum. Go figure.
Same in Spain, all the Francoists, the right wing, they're the ones who don't want Spain to be split up.

 

[Captain Caveman]

England joined Scotland. The king of Scotland became the king of England, and as such he merged the two together.

Actually England is the biggest Tory voting part of the union, and the Tories feel they have a right to lord it over everyone else.
They said we needed to get out of the EU, but "better of together" for Scotland's referendum. Go figure.
Same in Spain, all the Francoists, the right wing, they're the ones who don't want Spain to be split up.

Scotland had this bizarre idea that it could set up a trading empire in Panama with half of it's wealth going into the idea. I did read some time ago that anyone who had £5 or more put it into the idea. Well, it went tits up and they couldn't resist English wealth, so they joined up.

Unfortunately, Scotland is sparse, there are more people living in London than in the whole of Scotland. So the logistics of services makes those expensive. I think on average, £1,500 per head is spent per Scottish head than in tax collected off them, hence why they have free tuition, prescriptions etc.. The dozy idiots that wants Scotland to go independent think that their lifestyle/standard of living will remain the same.

I live Southern Scotland and property in North England. If they get to vote, I would vote leave, and if they win, I will drive 40 miles South and watch Scotland decline. Southern Scotland tend to be anti SNP.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Scotland had this bizarre idea that it could set up a trading empire in Panama with half of it's wealth going into the idea. I did read some time ago that anyone who had £5 or more put it into the idea. Well, it went tits up and they couldn't resist English wealth, so they joined up.

Unfortunately, Scotland is sparse, there are more people living in London than in the whole of Scotland. So the logistics of services makes those expensive. I think on average, £1,500 per head is spent per Scottish head than in tax collected off them, hence why they have free tuition, prescriptions etc.. The dozy idiots that wants Scotland to go independent think that their lifestyle/standard of living will remain the same.

I live Southern Scotland and property in North England. If they get to vote, I would vote leave, and if they win, I will drive 40 miles South and watch Scotland decline. Southern Scotland tend to be anti SNP.

Maybe, maybe not. It's a difficult thing to know what would happen. Perhaps Scotland would find a place in the EU where it could function better than it does not.
Definitely the whole process is emotional. The SNP are using emotion to get at people.

There are pretty good reasons to leave the UK. 1) The Tories. 2) The Tories. 3) The Tories. 4) The Tories......
A political party that gets in, strips everything, gets kicked out, sees the country get rebuilt while complaining about the higher taxes, gets back in once certain things are fixed, then strips it again....

 

[Captain Caveman]

Maybe, maybe not. It's a difficult thing to know what would happen. Perhaps Scotland would find a place in the EU where it could function better than it does not.
Definitely the whole process is emotional. The SNP are using emotion to get at people.

There are pretty good reasons to leave the UK. 1) The Tories. 2) The Tories. 3) The Tories. 4) The Tories......
A political party that gets in, strips everything, gets kicked out, sees the country get rebuilt while complaining about the higher taxes, gets back in once certain things are fixed, then strips it again....

It couldn't because it couldn't pass the test to join the EU. Then it would have to have a border with England and Northern Ireland. Scotland and mainly Ireland have religious troubles.

You're welcome to point out the benefits of a Labour government, don't forget Blair's legacy, and if you want spanked on manufacturing decline, privatisation of the NHS etc.. then by all means come back to me. Also, Labourtites are also clueless on the history of the mining industry. That's another spanking issue there too.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It couldn't because it couldn't pass the test to join the EU. Then it would have to have a border with England and Northern Ireland. Scotland and mainly Ireland have religious troubles.

You're welcome to point out the benefits of a Labour government, don't forget Blair's legacy, and if you want spanked on manufacturing decline, privatisation of the NHS etc.. then by all means come back to me. Also, Labourtites are also clueless on the history of the mining industry. That's another spanking issue there too.

I think they'd push it through quite easily. Firstly because they'd want to show parts of countries that they could come back. Secondly because it was already in the EU.

The border would probably be something of pride for Scotland.

Yes, Blair messed up in certain areas too. It's why I support Proportional Representation, it stops there being uncomfortable alliances within political parties. Lead to proper politics.

What Blair did harmed Labour so much that they've literally given the Tories a free reign to mess everything up.

 

[Ringo]

England told Scotland that she would have an equal voice. Though England said the same in 2014 this has never been the case.

Never trust an еnglish politician.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I think they'd push it through quite easily. Firstly because they'd want to show parts of countries that they could come back. Secondly because it was already in the EU.

The border would probably be something of pride for Scotland.

Yes, Blair messed up in certain areas too. It's why I support Proportional Representation, it stops there being uncomfortable alliances within political parties. Lead to proper politics.

What Blair did harmed Labour so much that they've literally given the Tories a free reign to mess everything up.

Look at the Ireland/UK border farce the moment. So if Scotland wade into that!!

Proportional representation is a great idea on paper, like Socialism, but doesn't work in reality. Hardly anything gets through government with that system, the Austrians are a good example.

You say the Tories mess things up. Like what?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Look at the Ireland/UK border farce the moment. So if Scotland wade into that!!

Proportional representation is a great idea on paper, like Socialism, but doesn't work in reality. Hardly anything gets through government with that system, the Austrians are a good example.

You say the Tories mess things up. Like what?

Well, it'd be easier if Scotland left, they'd just put up a border. The issue with NI is that Ireland and Northern Ireland have the Good Friday agreement and it requires an open border so that the Catholics feel they're part of a united Ireland and the Protestants don't.

Proportional Representation actually does work in reality.

Singapore, Switzerland, Sweden: These Are the Least Corrupt Countries in the World

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Least corrupt countries

If there’s one thing the COVID-19 pandemic has done, it’s exposed corruption levels in countries around the world and the reputations of national governments. The latest Corruption Perceptions Index analyzed the perceived corruption of the public sector in 180 countries and territories in the world, ranking countries on an index scale with one being the most corrupt and 100 being the least corrupt, to find the best and worst governments when it came to transparency.

The Philippines scored 34 out of 100 on the corruption index, far from the top-ranking countries with the least amount of corruption. Despite the perceived corruption, it’s still a long way from the three most corrupt countries in the world: Syria, South Sudan, and Somalia, which all scored below 15 out of 100.

The level of corruption in a country affects every facet of the economy and government, from public services to passport privileges, so it’s no surprise that the least corrupt countries in the world are also the first choice among migrants and OFWs.

Here are the least corrupt countries in the world and their respective scores:

1| New Zealand - 88
1| Denmark - 88
3| Switzerland - 85
3| Finland - 85
3| Singapore - 85
3| Sweden - 85
7| Norway - 84
8| Netherlands - 82
9| Luxembourg - 80
9| Germany - 80

Singapore doesn't have Proportional Representation. I think it might be the only one, though last time I checked properly there were two countries which didn't have it, though looking at this list, I think it's one.

Mapped: happiest countries in the world 2024

Finland is the happiest country in the world for the seventh consecutive year. We take a look at the latest World Happiness Report

www.atlasandboots.com

Happiest countries

1. Finland
2. Denmark
3. Iceland
4. Switzerland
5. Netherlands
6. Luxembourg
7. Sweden
8. Norway
9. Israel
10. New Zealand

Again, probably 8-10 on this list have PR.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Well, it'd be easier if Scotland left, they'd just put up a border. The issue with NI is that Ireland and Northern Ireland have the Good Friday agreement and it requires an open border so that the Catholics feel they're part of a united Ireland and the Protestants don't.

Proportional Representation actually does work in reality.

Singapore, Switzerland, Sweden: These Are the Least Corrupt Countries in the World

Planning to migrate?

www.esquiremag.ph

Least corrupt countries

If there’s one thing the COVID-19 pandemic has done, it’s exposed corruption levels in countries around the world and the reputations of national governments. The latest Corruption Perceptions Index analyzed the perceived corruption of the public sector in 180 countries and territories in the world, ranking countries on an index scale with one being the most corrupt and 100 being the least corrupt, to find the best and worst governments when it came to transparency.

The Philippines scored 34 out of 100 on the corruption index, far from the top-ranking countries with the least amount of corruption. Despite the perceived corruption, it’s still a long way from the three most corrupt countries in the world: Syria, South Sudan, and Somalia, which all scored below 15 out of 100.

The level of corruption in a country affects every facet of the economy and government, from public services to passport privileges, so it’s no surprise that the least corrupt countries in the world are also the first choice among migrants and OFWs.

Here are the least corrupt countries in the world and their respective scores:

1| New Zealand - 88
1| Denmark - 88
3| Switzerland - 85
3| Finland - 85
3| Singapore - 85
3| Sweden - 85
7| Norway - 84
8| Netherlands - 82
9| Luxembourg - 80
9| Germany - 80

Singapore doesn't have Proportional Representation. I think it might be the only one, though last time I checked properly there were two countries which didn't have it, though looking at this list, I think it's one.

Mapped: happiest countries in the world 2024

Finland is the happiest country in the world for the seventh consecutive year. We take a look at the latest World Happiness Report

www.atlasandboots.com

Happiest countries

1. Finland
2. Denmark
3. Iceland
4. Switzerland
5. Netherlands
6. Luxembourg
7. Sweden
8. Norway
9. Israel
10. New Zealand

Again, probably 8-10 on this list have PR.

You can't push through reform with PR, or, little gets through.

Where's your list of Tory disasters?

 

[frigidweirdo]

You can't push through reform with PR, or, little gets through.

Where's your list of Tory disasters?

Well, I'd disagree. The difference with PR is that reform is based on dialogue, rather than "we're in power, we can do whatever we like".
Germany has reform, Denmark has reform, they have reform, they get rid of corruption, their politicians are BETTER because they know they can easily lose power.
Look at 2015, UKIP got 12.6% of the vote and one seat. Guess who got the seats? The Tories.
Look at 2017, the AfD in Germany got 12.6% of the vote and 90 seats. Guess who they took seats from, the CDU/CSU who had to change their policies to combat them, but in a sensible way.
List of Tory disasters. MRSA. If you went into a hospital early 2000s, there was a chance you'd come out without a leg. The NHS is always under threat from the Tories who want a US style system (and the US federal govt spends more per capita on healthcare than the UK govt does.... guess who gets that money).
The strikes, the roads, policing.... do we really need a list of all the crap the Tories have done in the last 12 years? Same as the problems in the 1990s when they got kicked out of power for being a big pile of shitwank.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Well, I'd disagree. The difference with PR is that reform is based on dialogue, rather than "we're in power, we can do whatever we like".
Germany has reform, Denmark has reform, they have reform, they get rid of corruption, their politicians are BETTER because they know they can easily lose power.
Look at 2015, UKIP got 12.6% of the vote and one seat. Guess who got the seats? The Tories.
Look at 2017, the AfD in Germany got 12.6% of the vote and 90 seats. Guess who they took seats from, the CDU/CSU who had to change their policies to combat them, but in a sensible way.
List of Tory disasters. MRSA. If you went into a hospital early 2000s, there was a chance you'd come out without a leg. The NHS is always under threat from the Tories who want a US style system (and the US federal govt spends more per capita on healthcare than the UK govt does.... guess who gets that money).
The strikes, the roads, policing.... do we really need a list of all the crap the Tories have done in the last 12 years? Same as the problems in the 1990s when they got kicked out of power for being a big pile of shitwank.

Yes, I voted UKIP, then I switched back to conservative when Farage's spine gave out. But the Tories won.

MRSA, here's the history of it, please stop reading newspapers, MRSA has been in hospitals and the community under every government. Why didn't Labour remove it from hospitals, they had a good 13+ years to do so. (Australia had MRSA in hospitals, shit, the Tories must have flown over to spread it).

A History of MRSA | Putting the Pieces Together

Of course the NHS is under threat from the Tories, so is that why Blair implemented PFI into hospitals? My local hospital was built under PFI which Blair opened, meaning the NHS rents the building to the tune of millions. I complained about the standard of food in the hospital to my local MP, so a meeting was arranged between me and the top guy of the hospital. The food comes from Manchester, made in the same place as airlines. Labour signed off a 25 year contract for it to be supplied. The top guy said that the contract is written in such a way, they can't get out of it, even knowing the food is shit. And do you know what he said because of Blair, "The NHS has been mortgaged to the cost of future generations". Then Blair/Brown were in for over 13 years, so where's the thousands of doctors and nurses that they trained up? And you honestly believe the NHS is under threat from the Tories? You need to get out there and find out, stop reading newspapers.

Do you honestly believe strikes, roads, policing is down to the Tories. Fucking hell. The strikers are Labourites. I think you need to gen up on 1979 Winter of Discontent for a start because that gave Thatcher a landslide victory.

You're definitely a Labourite because you honestly believe everything is brilliant under Labour, then all the services and infrastructure is shit under the Tories, then suddenly back to brilliant under Labour.

Blimey, under Blair, UK manufacturing declined by a greater extent and in a much shorter timeframe than under Thatcher, and stop right there - don't tell me - UK manufacturing is Thatchers fault.

 

[Ringo]

I've always admired the PR people of Britain. Most people think of a handsome queen, tea at five o'clock, pudding, royal guards in high hats, and not that Britain invaded almost all countries of the world, killed and raped tens of millions and invented concentration camps.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes, I voted UKIP, then I switched back to conservative when Farage's spine gave out. But the Tories won.

MRSA, here's the history of it, please stop reading newspapers, MRSA has been in hospitals and the community under every government. Why didn't Labour remove it from hospitals, they had a good 13+ years to do so. (Australia had MRSA in hospitals, shit, the Tories must have flown over to spread it).

A History of MRSA | Putting the Pieces Together

Of course the NHS is under threat from the Tories, so is that why Blair implemented PFI into hospitals? My local hospital was built under PFI which Blair opened, meaning the NHS rents the building to the tune of millions. I complained about the standard of food in the hospital to my local MP, so a meeting was arranged between me and the top guy of the hospital. The food comes from Manchester, made in the same place as airlines. Labour signed off a 25 year contract for it to be supplied. The top guy said that the contract is written in such a way, they can't get out of it, even knowing the food is shit. And do you know what he said because of Blair, "The NHS has been mortgaged to the cost of future generations". Then Blair/Brown were in for over 13 years, so where's the thousands of doctors and nurses that they trained up? And you honestly believe the NHS is under threat from the Tories? You need to get out there and find out, stop reading newspapers.

Do you honestly believe strikes, roads, policing is down to the Tories. Fucking hell. The strikers are Labourites. I think you need to gen up on 1979 Winter of Discontent for a start because that gave Thatcher a landslide victory.

You're definitely a Labourite because you honestly believe everything is brilliant under Labour, then all the services and infrastructure is shit under the Tories, then suddenly back to brilliant under Labour.

Blimey, under Blair, UK manufacturing declined by a greater extent and in a much shorter timeframe than under Thatcher, and stop right there - don't tell me - UK manufacturing is Thatchers fault.

MRSA is a thing that exists. However due to the lack of funding for the NHS it picked up in the early 2000s. This isn't a "reading too much of the papers" (your way of trying to dismiss what someone says). The facts prove this.
Labour did do something about it. That's why MRSA dropped by five times in the space of five years. But it takes TIME. You can't just walk into a healthcare system which hasn't had enough funding for two decades, you can't throw loads of money at it because you don't have that money.

Deaths involving MRSA - Office for National Statistics

Deaths where Meticillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) was mentioned on the death certificate by sex, age group and whether the death occured in hospital or elsewhere.

www.ons.gov.uk

51 deaths in 1993 from MRSA, building up to 1,652 in 2007 and then dropping down to 292 in 2012.
Yeah, "the media".... not.

70 years of NHS spending

After last week’s Spring Statement made no immediate tax and spend promises, John Appleby looks at the history of NHS spending and the recent trend of it falling as a share of GDP, while suggesting we might be seeing the first signs of a welcome change of direction.

www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk

Spending on the NHS. From 1990 to 1997 it went up from 4% to 4.6% of GDP (this isn't really an increase) from 1997 to 2010 it went up from 4.6% to 7.59% of GDP (this is an increase).
But you have to increase taxes, and people don't like it being done in one big go, it has to be done over time.
Yep, Blair messed up with privatising parts of the NHS. Blair was hated by most of Labour and any good he seemed to do was always offset by the Tory in him.

Yes, I think it's down to the Tories. Sure, Labour and the Unions are linked, but why then didn't they strike when Corbyn was in charge? He was the closest to the Unions, or Milliband? It's happening now with a LAWYER in charge of Labour.

No, not a Labourite, you don't know what I think about thing when it comes to Labour, you simply have no had enough of a conversation with me about it to even get close to forming an opinion. I don't support any political party, I support getting Proportional Representation in place to changing politics in the US, in the UK, in other places that don't have PR.
I'm not going to defend Blair, like I said, he did some good things, and he did some awful things, privatising parts of the NHS, the Iraq War, mass immigration to name a few. However the Tories want to destroy the NHS, they want to reduce funding for education, every time they get in power things go wrong.
And one of the reasons I want PR is because I see that people have only two viable choices in the UK (ridiculous) and they're both tainted. With PR you'd get much better parties that stand for something and live and die by what they stand for. Labour and the Tories, like Reps and Dems in the US, are fighting a negative battle "look, they're worse than our shit".

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Yes, I voted UKIP, then I switched back to conservative when Farage's spine gave out. But the Tories won.

MRSA, here's the history of it, please stop reading newspapers, MRSA has been in hospitals and the community under every government. Why didn't Labour remove it from hospitals, they had a good 13+ years to do so. (Australia had MRSA in hospitals, shit, the Tories must have flown over to spread it).

A History of MRSA | Putting the Pieces Together

Of course the NHS is under threat from the Tories, so is that why Blair implemented PFI into hospitals? My local hospital was built under PFI which Blair opened, meaning the NHS rents the building to the tune of millions. I complained about the standard of food in the hospital to my local MP, so a meeting was arranged between me and the top guy of the hospital. The food comes from Manchester, made in the same place as airlines. Labour signed off a 25 year contract for it to be supplied. The top guy said that the contract is written in such a way, they can't get out of it, even knowing the food is shit. And do you know what he said because of Blair, "The NHS has been mortgaged to the cost of future generations". Then Blair/Brown were in for over 13 years, so where's the thousands of doctors and nurses that they trained up? And you honestly believe the NHS is under threat from the Tories? You need to get out there and find out, stop reading newspapers.

Do you honestly believe strikes, roads, policing is down to the Tories. Fucking hell. The strikers are Labourites. I think you need to gen up on 1979 Winter of Discontent for a start because that gave Thatcher a landslide victory.

You're definitely a Labourite because you honestly believe everything is brilliant under Labour, then all the services and infrastructure is shit under the Tories, then suddenly back to brilliant under Labour.

Blimey, under Blair, UK manufacturing declined by a greater extent and in a much shorter timeframe than under Thatcher, and stop right there - don't tell me - UK manufacturing is Thatchers fault.

12 years of conservatism and nothing fucking works while we pay higher taxes for it.
Labours fault though.