SCOTUS divided over SSM

More specifically- not just 'gay sex'- many of them really want the government telling all of us what the acceptable ways to have consensual sex are- i.e. the government policing our bedrooms.
..again. Very lousy spin. You do not keep your homosexual activity in your bedroom any longer. You are out to destroy the foundation of a healthy society, namely the family
How does our legal gay marriage ruin your right to rape women?
You are probably an unattractive woman not having luck with males and have the fantasy of being raped. That's why you are obsessed with raping. Hardcore feminist>>> bitter and ill willed person.
There it is! :clap: :clap: :clap:

defcon now tells us that in his world, women he deems to be unattractive fantasize about being raped.

I simply cannot understand why women don't flock to the RW in droves when they hear comments like yours. :rofl:
Why don't you ever wonder why so many women fantasize about being raped?

I've wondered why women fantasize about being raped for years. Do you have an answer?

Women s Rape Fantasies How Common What Do They Mean Psychology Today
 
Looks like SCOTUS ruling in favor of SSM isn't the lock the homos led everyone to believe. Roberts nailed it. Kennedy is all over the map, he's obviously conflicted.

Gay Marriage Arguments Divide Supreme Court Justices

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. suggested that Ms. Bonauto was asking the court to do something radical.

“You’re not seeking to join the institution,” he said. “You’re seeking to change what the institution is.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage.html
I'd like to think you are correct but I think Kennedy was doing that just to appear "neutral" at the argument. I'd bet serious money the homos win this one.

I think the most informed opinion we have access to on this matter was Scalia in his discent of the Windsor decision in 2013. He concluded that the court's opinion on the matter was 'beyond mistaking' and that the application of the logic of the Windsor decision against state gay marriage bans was 'inevitable'.
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I was surprised not to see that raised during the oral arguments- if not by one of the two parties, by Sotomayor or Breyer.
 
Care to make a bet? How about one month off the boards to the loser.


Got a better idea....How about leaving the board forever? Want to play?
I don't want you gone forever. 30 days......yes or no?


Nope. Put your money where your mouth is. This board means nothing to me. If I'm gone tomorrow, so be it. All this bickering and whooping and hollering doesn't change a damned thing. So - do you want to play? or are you not really sure what those assholes in robes - who (way back when) appointed themselves the "final arbiter" of all things Constitutional (against the wishes of the "government") going to do? My money is that they are going to say that it is not "Constitutional" and therefore - should be left up to the individual states to decide (as it always should have been)

Look, play or don't - your choice. But understand where I come from here. America is in its' death throes as a nation. It has fallen morally and it has fallen spiritually. We are doomed - just as my Bible predicts. BAD things are coming our way and we have done it to ourselves. We "reap what we sow". So no matter how this works out - it will make no difference whatsoever. The dye has been cast. the future is set and there isn't a damned thing you and I can do about it.

So, interested in trying to get this old man off this board forever?
Again, I don't want to see you gone forever. 30 days...yes or no.


Pity - but I'll play (it's a slow day on the ranch). 30 days it is. Enjoy your vacation from the faux outrage that exists on this forum....:2up:
Good enough....I've marked it down.
 
More specifically- not just 'gay sex'- many of them really want the government telling all of us what the acceptable ways to have consensual sex are- i.e. the government policing our bedrooms.
..again. Very lousy spin. You do not keep your homosexual activity in your bedroom any longer. You are out to destroy the foundation of a healthy society, namely the family

Based on what? Gays want to be married to each other in order to destroy someone else's family? How, exactly, does that work?
No one is preventing gays from marrying each other Another fallacy popped.

Alabama chief justice tells judges Refuse gay marriage licenses Online Athens

Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore sent a letter Sunday evening to probate judges ordering them to refuse to issue same-sex marriage licenses when the courts opened Monday morning. Moore wrote that the judges weren't bound by a federal judge's ruling Jan. 23 that the marriage ban was unconstitutional.

"Effective immediately, no probate judge of the state of Alabama nor any agent or employee of any Alabama probate judge shall issue or recognize a marriage license that is inconsistent with (the Alabama Constitution)," Moore wrote.
 
non sequiturs are usually considered non-responsive in legal venues--you need to be more relevant. We have a Commerce Clause. That merchant in Commerce is operating on a for-profit basis--thus, our Commerce Clause applies.

It's actually the INTERSTATE COMMERCE CLAUSE. I'll let you puzzle out how that defeats your entire argument.

The Commerce Clause provides a fundamental basis for public accommodation laws.

Actually, I do not believe that is true.

The Commerce Clause is the rational for the 1964 Civil Rights Act(and similar Federal laws), but would not apply to all of the state and local PA laws.

Those would be governed by their own State constitutions.
Here is what I am referring to when I use the term, public accommodation laws:

Within U.S. law, public accommodations are generally defined as entities, both public and private, that are used by the public. Examples include retail stores, rental establishments and service establishments, as well as educational institutions, recreational facilities and service centers. Private clubs and religious institutions were exempt. However, in 1984, the United States Supreme Court declared the previously all-male Junior Chamber International, a chamber of Commerce organization for persons between the ages of eighteen and thirty-six, to be a public accommodation, which compelled the admission of women into the ranks.[1]--Source: Public accommodations - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Commerce must have some fundamental law in the US with our written Constitution and supreme law of the land.

It cannot be a religious freedom issue if a Merchant in Commerce is operating on a for-profit basis instead of a not-for-the-profit-of-lucre basis.
TGhat is inconsistent with the USSC holding in McCullogh vs Maryland.

How so? Which holding are you referring to specifically. I've got the ruling right here.

McCulloch v. Maryland US Law LII Legal Information Institute

Can you quote the holding in question?
 
..again. Very lousy spin. You do not keep your homosexual activity in your bedroom any longer. You are out to destroy the foundation of a healthy society, namely the family
How does our legal gay marriage ruin your right to rape women?
You are probably an unattractive woman not having luck with males and have the fantasy of being raped. That's why you are obsessed with raping. Hardcore feminist>>> bitter and ill willed person.
There it is! :clap: :clap: :clap:

defcon now tells us that in his world, women he deems to be unattractive fantasize about being raped.

I simply cannot understand why women don't flock to the RW in droves when they hear comments like yours. :rofl:
Why don't you ever wonder why so many women fantasize about being raped?

I've wondered why women fantasize about being raped for years. Do you have an answer?

Women s Rape Fantasies How Common What Do They Mean Psychology Today
Sounds like a symptom of low self-esteem.
 
More specifically- not just 'gay sex'- many of them really want the government telling all of us what the acceptable ways to have consensual sex are- i.e. the government policing our bedrooms.
..again. Very lousy spin. You do not keep your homosexual activity in your bedroom any longer. You are out to destroy the foundation of a healthy society, namely the family

Based on what? Gays want to be married to each other in order to destroy someone else's family? How, exactly, does that work?
No one is preventing gays from marrying each other Another fallacy popped.

Whole states have attempted to prevent just that.
Wrong. PLease show me the gay couples currently in custody for getting married.
You arent very good at this, are you?
 
I live in San Francisco-
I happen to be here myself at the moment in the SJ area. 'You wanna meet up for lunch?

LOL.....I am in San Jose at this moment- and I would not knowingly be in the same spot with you unless I was there to protect your potential victims from harm.

I can't think of any other reason to associate with someone who is unable to differentiate between consensual sex and rape.

You wouldn't happen to work for the NFL would you?
The difference between reasonable persons, who have all encompassing love toward fellow human beings and militant homosexuals is shown with above statement. I do have differences with others in political issues yet I have no hatred or animosity toward the persons. I sit down for lunch with my ideological opponents any time because it is civil and gives better knowledge of that person. Many times the acquaintance leads to toned down rhetoric.
 
Indeed. These clowns base their ideology on the principle of "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" - pun intended. They scream and shout and wring their little hands to the point that most Americans are beginning to believe that they are 40-45% of the population - when, in fact, they are less than 1%.

Scream loud and long enough and society comes around to your way of thinking. And we fall.

Folks that support gay marriage are closer to 55%. And you don't need to be gay to support gay marriage.


Link?

Sure.

Same-Sex Marriage Support Reaches New High at 55%

Same-Sex Marriage Support Reaches New High at 55


MOST AMERICANS DO NOT SUPPORT SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BY 5-1

Americans by a 5-1 margin are against same-sex marriage


See how easy that was? I can do that, too!
He provided a link.....you, not so much


No shit. Look, I'll give the perverts this - I admire them for their determination. Hollyweird is solidly behind them (pun intended) Hell, watch any television show on the air today - fags abound - almost like it is the "normal" in America. Could it be that Americans, sitting at home in front of their flat screens, are being "brainwashed"? Hmmmm....could be.

Our "religious leaders" (Now there is a joke) have caved to the pressure from the gays and began going against the Bible to be "inclusive" - again see my post above.

Marketers and advertisers (being the money changers that they are) are more than willing to embrace this "new money" and cater to the nonsense.

And politicians see the perverts as the "new" voting block - just as they do the wetbacks. Apparently, Mister and Missus White America are yesterday's news....

And, if it is true, (I'm more than dubious) is it any wonder why the sudden change? Bombard the masses long enough with the lie (thanks Joseph Goebbels) and eventually they believe it.

Again - this country is doomed. Oh, and as you are leaving the city - don't look back or you WILL be turned into a pillar of salt.......
 
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Actually marriage is a 'civil right"- the Supreme Court has overturned State marriage laws three times based upon that principle.

The question the Supreme Court is deciding is whether same gender couples are included in that civil right.


Ah, so it's NOT settled then, is it? Nor will it be when the decision comes down. The gays will NOT be happy.
Care to make a bet? How about one month off the boards to the loser.


Got a better idea....How about leaving the board forever? Want to play?
I don't want you gone forever. 30 days......yes or no?
. But understand where I come from here. America is in its' death throes as a nation. It has fallen morally and it has fallen spiritually. We are doomed - just as my Bible predicts. BAD things are coming our way and we have done it to ourselves. We "reap what we sow". So no matter how this works out - it will make no difference whatsoever. The dye has been cast. the future is set and there isn't a damned thing you and I can do about it.

So why oppose gay marriage if you are so certain that you are doomed?

FYI- people have been predicting the end of Civilization based upon the Bible for about 2,000 years- give or take a few hundred.
 
More specifically- not just 'gay sex'- many of them really want the government telling all of us what the acceptable ways to have consensual sex are- i.e. the government policing our bedrooms.
..again. Very lousy spin. You do not keep your homosexual activity in your bedroom any longer. You are out to destroy the foundation of a healthy society, namely the family

Based on what? Gays want to be married to each other in order to destroy someone else's family? How, exactly, does that work?
No one is preventing gays from marrying each other Another fallacy popped.

Alabama chief justice tells judges Refuse gay marriage licenses Online Athens

Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore sent a letter Sunday evening to probate judges ordering them to refuse to issue same-sex marriage licenses when the courts opened Monday morning. Moore wrote that the judges weren't bound by a federal judge's ruling Jan. 23 that the marriage ban was unconstitutional.

"Effective immediately, no probate judge of the state of Alabama nor any agent or employee of any Alabama probate judge shall issue or recognize a marriage license that is inconsistent with (the Alabama Constitution)," Moore wrote.

Yeah, Moore is likely going to be impeached again over that one.
 
I live in San Francisco-
I happen to be here myself at the moment in the SJ area. 'You wanna meet up for lunch?

LOL.....I am in San Jose at this moment- and I would not knowingly be in the same spot with you unless I was there to protect your potential victims from harm.

I can't think of any other reason to associate with someone who is unable to differentiate between consensual sex and rape.

You wouldn't happen to work for the NFL would you?
The difference between reasonable persons, who have all encompassing love toward fellow human beings and militant homosexuals is shown with above statement. I do have differences with others in political issues yet I have no hatred or animosity toward the persons. I sit down for lunch with my ideological opponents any time because it is civil and gives better knowledge of that person. Many times the acquaintance leads to toned down rhetoric.

Oh I sit down with people I don't agree with ideologically.

I just don't sit down with those who are unable to distinguish between rape and consensual sex.

That kind of 'all encompassing love toward fellow human beings' is not acceptable to me.
 
I live in San Francisco-
I happen to be here myself at the moment in the SJ area. 'You wanna meet up for lunch?

LOL.....I am in San Jose at this moment- and I would not knowingly be in the same spot with you unless I was there to protect your potential victims from harm.

I can't think of any other reason to associate with someone who is unable to differentiate between consensual sex and rape.

You wouldn't happen to work for the NFL would you?
The difference between reasonable persons, who have all encompassing love toward fellow human beings and militant homosexuals is shown with above statement. I do have differences with others in political issues yet I have no hatred or animosity toward the persons. I sit down for lunch with my ideological opponents any time because it is civil and gives better knowledge of that person. Many times the acquaintance leads to toned down rhetoric.
However, anyone who is a thinking person is going to be hesitant to meet up with someone who has just expressed an opinion that the right to have sex equals the right to rape. That CLEARLY shows an inability to understand the Golden Rule....and is a prime indicator of a sociopath. Not a good idea to meet such a person...
 
More specifically- not just 'gay sex'- many of them really want the government telling all of us what the acceptable ways to have consensual sex are- i.e. the government policing our bedrooms.
..again. Very lousy spin. You do not keep your homosexual activity in your bedroom any longer. You are out to destroy the foundation of a healthy society, namely the family

Based on what? Gays want to be married to each other in order to destroy someone else's family? How, exactly, does that work?
No one is preventing gays from marrying each other Another fallacy popped.

Whole states have attempted to prevent just that.
Wrong. PLease show me the gay couples currently in custody for getting married.
You arent very good at this, are you?

That wasn't your claim- you aren't very good at this are you?

No one is preventing gays from marrying each other Another fallacy popped.

I just showed you that people are preventing gays from marrying each other.

Another of your lies exposed.
 
More specifically- not just 'gay sex'- many of them really want the government telling all of us what the acceptable ways to have consensual sex are- i.e. the government policing our bedrooms.
..again. Very lousy spin. You do not keep your homosexual activity in your bedroom any longer. You are out to destroy the foundation of a healthy society, namely the family

Based on what? Gays want to be married to each other in order to destroy someone else's family? How, exactly, does that work?
No one is preventing gays from marrying each other Another fallacy popped.

Whole states have attempted to prevent just that.
Wrong. PLease show me the gay couples currently in custody for getting married.
You arent very good at this, are you?
Except in the states where gay marriage is legal, show us the other states that have issued marriage licenses to gay couples. Mississippi? Alabama? Texas?
 
Ah, so it's NOT settled then, is it? Nor will it be when the decision comes down. The gays will NOT be happy.
Care to make a bet? How about one month off the boards to the loser.


Got a better idea....How about leaving the board forever? Want to play?
I don't want you gone forever. 30 days......yes or no?
. But understand where I come from here. America is in its' death throes as a nation. It has fallen morally and it has fallen spiritually. We are doomed - just as my Bible predicts. BAD things are coming our way and we have done it to ourselves. We "reap what we sow". So no matter how this works out - it will make no difference whatsoever. The dye has been cast. the future is set and there isn't a damned thing you and I can do about it.

So why oppose gay marriage if you are so certain that you are doomed?

FYI- people have been predicting the end of Civilization based upon the Bible for about 2,000 years- give or take a few hundred.


I oppose "gay marriage" because it goes against my religion. I understand that that is something so foreign to you that it makes you incapable of understanding it. I am not predicting ANYTHING. I am not a prophet. However, if you have a couple of hours, avail yourself of the Book of Revelations. What was predicted 2,000 years ago is coming to fruition. Don't blame the messenger if you don't like the outcome.

America was once the light of the world - now? We are the joke of the world. And something evil this way comes. And you can take that to the bank.
 
Care to make a bet? How about one month off the boards to the loser.


Got a better idea....How about leaving the board forever? Want to play?
I don't want you gone forever. 30 days......yes or no?


Nope. Put your money where your mouth is. This board means nothing to me. If I'm gone tomorrow, so be it. All this bickering and whooping and hollering doesn't change a damned thing. So - do you want to play? or are you not really sure what those assholes in robes - who (way back when) appointed themselves the "final arbiter" of all things Constitutional (against the wishes of the "government") going to do? My money is that they are going to say that it is not "Constitutional" and therefore - should be left up to the individual states to decide (as it always should have been)

Look, play or don't - your choice. But understand where I come from here. America is in its' death throes as a nation. It has fallen morally and it has fallen spiritually. We are doomed - just as my Bible predicts. BAD things are coming our way and we have done it to ourselves. We "reap what we sow". So no matter how this works out - it will make no difference whatsoever. The dye has been cast. the future is set and there isn't a damned thing you and I can do about it.

So, interested in trying to get this old man off this board forever?
Again, I don't want to see you gone forever. 30 days...yes or no.

See how the far left wants to suppress and punish those that think differently from themselves..

Very telling post of the far left mentality..

More proof that they can not stand freedom of speech..
You might want to know what the heck the conversation is about AND what "freedom of speech" means before you post next time.
 
Defcon4 Having sex is not a right. If it were, then rape as such would not be crime.
I don't know if you are really unable to see the point in that or you are just being obnoxious. You have unalienable right to preserve your life. You have no unalienable right to sex. What is it you cannot understand? If you are unable for slightly abstract thinking what the heck are you getting involved in a conversation for?
 
Care to make a bet? How about one month off the boards to the loser.


Got a better idea....How about leaving the board forever? Want to play?
I don't want you gone forever. 30 days......yes or no?
. But understand where I come from here. America is in its' death throes as a nation. It has fallen morally and it has fallen spiritually. We are doomed - just as my Bible predicts. BAD things are coming our way and we have done it to ourselves. We "reap what we sow". So no matter how this works out - it will make no difference whatsoever. The dye has been cast. the future is set and there isn't a damned thing you and I can do about it.

So why oppose gay marriage if you are so certain that you are doomed?

FYI- people have been predicting the end of Civilization based upon the Bible for about 2,000 years- give or take a few hundred.


I oppose "gay marriage" because it goes against my religion. I understand that that is something so foreign to you that it makes you incapable of understanding it. I am not predicting ANYTHING. I am not a prophet. However, if you have a couple of hours, avail yourself of the Book of Revelations. What was predicted 2,000 years ago is coming to fruition. Don't blame the messenger if you don't like the outcome.

America was once the light of the world - now? We are the joke of the world. And something evil this way comes. And you can take that to the bank.
Our civil laws are not based, nor are they to be based, on your religion and your interpretation of your religion.
 
I live in San Francisco-
I happen to be here myself at the moment in the SJ area. 'You wanna meet up for lunch?

LOL.....I am in San Jose at this moment- and I would not knowingly be in the same spot with you unless I was there to protect your potential victims from harm.

I can't think of any other reason to associate with someone who is unable to differentiate between consensual sex and rape.

You wouldn't happen to work for the NFL would you?
The difference between reasonable persons, who have all encompassing love toward fellow human beings and militant homosexuals is shown with above statement. I do have differences with others in political issues yet I have no hatred or animosity toward the persons. I sit down for lunch with my ideological opponents any time because it is civil and gives better knowledge of that person. Many times the acquaintance leads to toned down rhetoric.
However, anyone who is a thinking person is going to be hesitant to meet up with someone who has just expressed an opinion that the right to have sex equals the right to rape. That CLEARLY shows an inability to understand the Golden Rule....and is a prime indicator of a sociopath. Not a good idea to meet such a person...

See the thing is- most people, once they looked again at what they said, once they realized the implications of their statement, would clarify or repudiate what they said- something like "Hey, I was trying to make a point, but I said that wrong- I do understand the difference- I should have not implied that sex is the same thing as rape'- heck we have all made mistakes, we have all mispoken.

But this guy doesn't appear interested in doing that.

Heck- Bud Light just got slammed for something like that- and they are smart enough to backpedal.
 

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