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Shusha
What specifically would you do in the short term to encourage/increase trust and cooperation between the two sides in order to make heterogenous states a more realistic possibility?
You are so naive to think you can buy these people after a decades long brutal occupation.I am not sure building trust and cooperation is possible just yet. I think its time for Israel to be both decisive and generous.
As in: "This is our land. That is your land. Here's ten schools. Here's six hospitals. Here's a university and a water treatment plant. Here's a trade agreement. Here's some technology."
Shusha
What specifically would you do in the short term to encourage/increase trust and cooperation between the two sides in order to make heterogenous states a more realistic possibility?
I am not sure building trust and cooperation is possible just yet. I think its time for Israel to be both decisive and generous.
As in: "This is our land. That is your land. Here's ten schools. Here's six hospitals. Here's a university and a water treatment plant. Here's a trade agreement. Here's some technology."
You are so naive to think you can buy these people after a decades long brutal occupation.I am not sure building trust and cooperation is possible just yet. I think its time for Israel to be both decisive and generous.
As in: "This is our land. That is your land. Here's ten schools. Here's six hospitals. Here's a university and a water treatment plant. Here's a trade agreement. Here's some technology."
End the occupation and guarantee rights of return.
I guarantee you that one day a bleeding heart Liberal will be in the White House and take in all the Palestinians as refugees way before any Arab nation takes in even one.Shusha
What specifically would you do in the short term to encourage/increase trust and cooperation between the two sides in order to make heterogenous states a more realistic possibility?
I am not sure building trust and cooperation is possible just yet. I think its time for Israel to be both decisive and generous.
As in: "This is our land. That is your land. Here's ten schools. Here's six hospitals. Here's a university and a water treatment plant. Here's a trade agreement. Here's some technology."
But that gets us back to the core of the settlement issue and contiguous states. If you can't build trust how can you lay the groundwork for two workable states that accept hostile populations within their borders? By that I mean among the Arabs living in those disputed areas and the Jewish settlers living within those areas.
Does Israel just take all of Area C? That leaves very little for a 2nd state....
I guarantee you that one day a bleeding heart Liberal will be in the White House and take in all the Palestinians as refugees way before any Arab nation takes in even one.Shusha
What specifically would you do in the short term to encourage/increase trust and cooperation between the two sides in order to make heterogenous states a more realistic possibility?
I am not sure building trust and cooperation is possible just yet. I think its time for Israel to be both decisive and generous.
As in: "This is our land. That is your land. Here's ten schools. Here's six hospitals. Here's a university and a water treatment plant. Here's a trade agreement. Here's some technology."
But that gets us back to the core of the settlement issue and contiguous states. If you can't build trust how can you lay the groundwork for two workable states that accept hostile populations within their borders? By that I mean among the Arabs living in those disputed areas and the Jewish settlers living within those areas.
Does Israel just take all of Area C? That leaves very little for a 2nd state....
Well, there's over a billion people you better start having discussions with.I guarantee you that one day a bleeding heart Liberal will be in the White House and take in all the Palestinians as refugees way before any Arab nation takes in even one.Shusha
What specifically would you do in the short term to encourage/increase trust and cooperation between the two sides in order to make heterogenous states a more realistic possibility?
I am not sure building trust and cooperation is possible just yet. I think its time for Israel to be both decisive and generous.
As in: "This is our land. That is your land. Here's ten schools. Here's six hospitals. Here's a university and a water treatment plant. Here's a trade agreement. Here's some technology."
But that gets us back to the core of the settlement issue and contiguous states. If you can't build trust how can you lay the groundwork for two workable states that accept hostile populations within their borders? By that I mean among the Arabs living in those disputed areas and the Jewish settlers living within those areas.
Does Israel just take all of Area C? That leaves very little for a 2nd state....
I'm not absolving the Arab nations.
(COMMENT)Any land taken in war is a war crime with no statute of limitations. Start there.There is no way to establish where it is illegal to build because borders are subject to negotiation and do not yet exist. There is no defined border. Therefore any designation of "Palestinian territory" is a legal falsehood.
The last legal documents, agreed upon by Arab Palestine, give Israel the legal right to administer Area C. Therefore, there is nothing illegal about Israel administering Area C.
They are FLAGRANT VIOLATIONS OF INTERNATIONAL LAW. 14 to zip!
Adopting resolution 2334 (2016) by 14 votes, with the United States abstaining, the Council reiterated its demand that Israel immediately and completely cease all settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem.
Israel’s Settlements Have No Legal Validity, Constitute Flagrant Violation of International Law, Security Council Reaffirms | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases
Any land taken in war is a war crime with no statute of limitations. Start there.There is no way to establish where it is illegal to build because borders are subject to negotiation and do not yet exist. There is no defined border. Therefore any designation of "Palestinian territory" is a legal falsehood.
The last legal documents, agreed upon by Arab Palestine, give Israel the legal right to administer Area C. Therefore, there is nothing illegal about Israel administering Area C.
You are so naive to think you can buy these people after a decades long brutal occupation.I am not sure building trust and cooperation is possible just yet. I think its time for Israel to be both decisive and generous.
As in: "This is our land. That is your land. Here's ten schools. Here's six hospitals. Here's a university and a water treatment plant. Here's a trade agreement. Here's some technology."
End the occupation and guarantee rights of return.
(COMMENT)Why don't you move to Israel for a year and see what it does to your nerves knowing that an Arab can stab you at any moment.So let's even it out and demand the same thing for BOTH sides. If they can not trust one another, then they must be separated from one another. IF Arab Palestine MUST be Jew-free to function, then Israel MUST be Arab- free to function.We've had this discussion before, and it's the problem of realistic vs idealistic. YES it would be ideal if what you say could happen. I would be all for it. But there are several points to consider. One is TRUST. There is a helluva lack of it on both sides and justifiably.
Why?
You would expel 1,786,000 or so people, who have lived for generations in what is now Israel so all of Israel is Arab free?
Simple. You negotiate for a contiguous State and accept any Jews which are in that area. And then you guarantee their safety and their rights. Its easy. Israel has ALREADY done this with the Arabs. If it can be done on the one side then it can be done on the other. Palestine negotiates a contiguous state and Israel negotiates for guarantees of rights and safety for Jews.From the Palestinian side - what they see is an erosion of any possible future state with the settlements, and it is pretty far fetched to imagine (or trust) that Israel is going to let them become part of a future Palestinian state. How would you convince them that there WOULD be a contiguous state, irregardless of the settlements?
In principle I agree. But the settlements increase the tensions. Leave them as they are NOW until a final status is negotiated. And while your at it - mix the populations. Allow non Jews to live with Jews. And encourage the same in Palestinian areas.
Yes, its idealistic. But the alternative is to create two completely ethnically homogeneous states. Which would you prefer to aim for?
My preference would not be the alternative.
I suspect the Palestinians feel quite similar not knowing when someone will bust in and take one of their kids in for questioning or shoot a kid for throwing rocks. Works both ways.
He demolishes entire towns and builds racial colonies for Jews only. Sheer idiocy.Sure. But Netanyahu is being EXCEEDINGLY careful about where he builds.
Meanwhile you lied when you said countries could not keep land captured in war since WW2 there have been instances of JUST that.He demolishes entire towns and builds racial colonies for Jews only. Sheer idiocy.Sure. But Netanyahu is being EXCEEDINGLY careful about where he builds.
You are so naive to think you can buy these people after a decades long brutal occupation.I am not sure building trust and cooperation is possible just yet. I think its time for Israel to be both decisive and generous.
As in: "This is our land. That is your land. Here's ten schools. Here's six hospitals. Here's a university and a water treatment plant. Here's a trade agreement. Here's some technology."
End the occupation and guarantee rights of return.
Any land taken in war is a war crime with no statute of limitations. Start there.There is no way to establish where it is illegal to build because borders are subject to negotiation and do not yet exist. There is no defined border. Therefore any designation of "Palestinian territory" is a legal falsehood.
The last legal documents, agreed upon by Arab Palestine, give Israel the legal right to administer Area C. Therefore, there is nothing illegal about Israel administering Area C.
Great. And what you suggest to do if Israelis refuse to put their lives at risk and live under Arab sovereignty?Do you believe it?Only if you believe that Arab Palestine cannot possibly incorporate any Jewish people into their State.
It is my opinion that the Arab Palestinians are currently incapable of peacefully and equally incorporating Jews into their State. I believe that it places those Jews at risk. But, this is still the right thing to do and should be the goal.
7. When the UN says that it will not recognize any changes to the 4 June 1967 lines, including with regard to Jerusalem, other than those agreed by the parties through negotiations; do they include the Oslo Accords, signed by Mahmoud Abbas? Those accords created Area "C", placing Area "C" under which --- the Israeli settlements are encapsulated and, is administered by Israel. When the Arab Palestinians refuse to negotiate because of irreconcilable differences, does this mean the Israelis are a fault?
