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I can understand that it gets annoying if you're a girl and you get hit on by men all the time, but at the same time, there's not a woman in the world that doesn't enjoy being hit on sometimes. In our society men are expected to be the initiators. There are pluses and minuses for both genders to that. Both men and women should just shut the fuck up and accepr the good with the bad.
There was no gauntlet. She walked for ten hours and was able to cobble together four whole minutes where she got some kind of words in her direction. She walked for 9 hours and 56 minutes where no one said anything to her.
She received 100 comments in 10 hours - that's one every six minutes.
That most of the posters on this board cannot understand that women don't walk around in their everyday lives wanting strangers to comment on their appearance or to generally be treated like a piece of meat shows how little women are respected in today's culture. And you all think it's no big deal.
There was no gauntlet. She walked for ten hours and was able to cobble together four whole minutes where she got some kind of words in her direction. She walked for 9 hours and 56 minutes where no one said anything to her.
She received 100 comments in 10 hours - that's one every six minutes.
That most of the posters on this board cannot understand that women don't walk around in their everyday lives wanting strangers to comment on their appearance or to generally be treated like a piece of meat shows how little women are respected in today's culture. And you all think it's no big deal.
I'm a woman, and it's stupid. People like her and you make us real women who can handle such comments with grace and class look like wimps, and then when there are ACTUAL cases of assault, we aren't taken seriously. STOP whining! It's not a big deal.
There was no gauntlet. She walked for ten hours and was able to cobble together four whole minutes where she got some kind of words in her direction. She walked for 9 hours and 56 minutes where no one said anything to her.
She received 100 comments in 10 hours - that's one every six minutes.
That most of the posters on this board cannot understand that women don't walk around in their everyday lives wanting strangers to comment on their appearance or to generally be treated like a piece of meat shows how little women are respected in today's culture. And you all think it's no big deal.
I'm a woman, and it's stupid. People like her and you make us real women who can handle such comments with grace and class look like wimps, and then when there are ACTUAL cases of assault, we aren't taken seriously. STOP whining! It's not a big deal.
Damn straight. The women who lived before toxic feminism infected their souls had far more grounded lives and better heads on their shoulders:
The iconic 1951 image “American Girl in Italy” turns 60 on Monday. As its anniversary approaches, the stunning woman in the photo — Ninalee Craig, now 83 — is speaking up about it. She wants to explain what the photo represents, and what it doesn’t.
“Some people want to use it as a symbol of harassment of women, but that’s what we’ve been fighting all these years,” Craig said in a telephone interview from her home in Toronto. “It’s not a symbol of harassment. It’s a symbol of a woman having an absolutely wonderful time!”
Back in 1951, Craig was a carefree 23-year-old who had chucked her job in New York and secured third-class accommodations on a ship bound for Europe. She spent more than six months making her way through France, Spain and Italy all by herself — something very few women did in the years following World War II. . . . .
Of course, a good documentary photograph welcomes viewers into a scene and invites their interpretations. That’s understandable, say Craig and Engel — but both of them stress the same point about “American Girl in Italy”: The photo is primarily a celebration of strong, independent women who aren’t afraid to live life.
“Men who see the picture always ask me: Was I frightened? Did I need to be protected? Was I upset?” Craig said. “They always have a manly concern for me. Women, on the other hand, look at that picture, and the ones who have become my friends will laugh and say, ‘Isn’t it wonderful? Aren’t the Italians wonderful? ... They make you feel appreciated!’”
Craig said she certainly did feel appreciated in Italy and elsewhere in Europe. She turned plenty of heads wherever she went because she was 6 feet tall and traveling alone. She knows the men in the photo appear to be leering and lascivious, but she insists they were harmless.
“Very few of those men had jobs,” Craig said. “Italy was recovering from the war and had really been devastated by it … I can tell you that it wasn’t the intent of any man there to harass me.”
There was no gauntlet. She walked for ten hours and was able to cobble together four whole minutes where she got some kind of words in her direction. She walked for 9 hours and 56 minutes where no one said anything to her.
She received 100 comments in 10 hours - that's one every six minutes.
That most of the posters on this board cannot understand that women don't walk around in their everyday lives wanting strangers to comment on their appearance or to generally be treated like a piece of meat shows how little women are respected in today's culture. And you all think it's no big deal.
I'm a woman, and it's stupid. People like her and you make us real women who can handle such comments with grace and class look like wimps, and then when there are ACTUAL cases of assault, we aren't taken seriously. STOP whining! It's not a big deal.
Damn straight. The women who lived before toxic feminism infected their souls had far more grounded lives and better heads on their shoulders:
The iconic 1951 image “American Girl in Italy” turns 60 on Monday. As its anniversary approaches, the stunning woman in the photo — Ninalee Craig, now 83 — is speaking up about it. She wants to explain what the photo represents, and what it doesn’t.
“Some people want to use it as a symbol of harassment of women, but that’s what we’ve been fighting all these years,” Craig said in a telephone interview from her home in Toronto. “It’s not a symbol of harassment. It’s a symbol of a woman having an absolutely wonderful time!”
Back in 1951, Craig was a carefree 23-year-old who had chucked her job in New York and secured third-class accommodations on a ship bound for Europe. She spent more than six months making her way through France, Spain and Italy all by herself — something very few women did in the years following World War II. . . . .
Of course, a good documentary photograph welcomes viewers into a scene and invites their interpretations. That’s understandable, say Craig and Engel — but both of them stress the same point about “American Girl in Italy”: The photo is primarily a celebration of strong, independent women who aren’t afraid to live life.
“Men who see the picture always ask me: Was I frightened? Did I need to be protected? Was I upset?” Craig said. “They always have a manly concern for me. Women, on the other hand, look at that picture, and the ones who have become my friends will laugh and say, ‘Isn’t it wonderful? Aren’t the Italians wonderful? ... They make you feel appreciated!’”
Craig said she certainly did feel appreciated in Italy and elsewhere in Europe. She turned plenty of heads wherever she went because she was 6 feet tall and traveling alone. She knows the men in the photo appear to be leering and lascivious, but she insists they were harmless.
“Very few of those men had jobs,” Craig said. “Italy was recovering from the war and had really been devastated by it … I can tell you that it wasn’t the intent of any man there to harass me.”
Interesting. I can understand where it makes some women feel "uncomfortable," but it certainly isn't any kind of assault.
WHAT are you talking about? What should not be done? Speaking to people you see on the street that you find attractive? That's crazy. What kind of society are we where we take offense at being called good-looking?Personally, I like it when people compliment me on my appearance. I work hard at looking my best and when someone notices that, I consider it a compliment.
Do you really think that people saying, "hey beautiful" means they have rape on their minds? Goodness. This is just out of control liberal PC crapola. That woman in the video obviously has issues and should be grateful for any compliments she gets because she really doesn't look very good anyhow.
I was pretty clear but here it is again -
If its inappropriate to do to a man, then its not any more appropriate to do to a woman.
I talk to people. I strike up conversations with strangers. But, I don't do it to make people uncomfortable which is exactly what these kinds of comments are designed to do.
I don't consider conversaiont to be "out of control PC crapola". I consider it to be respectful and friendly.
YMMV
What would you find inappropriate to say to a man? If I was to say to you, "my luddly, you are a very handsome man!" Would that offend you? Would you think I was sexually harassing you?
Difference lies in familiarity. If you know the person it can be playful banter. If it's coming on the street from a stranger it's totally inappropriate.
I don't believe that. Being open and friendly is the best way to meet people.
I figure it's a judgment call. Leave her alone if she's in a hurry. If she's obviously fishing for compliments, give her one.
Is a time and a place for everything. Busy city street isn't the place to open and friendly. After hours joint sure.
This is why guys like you stay losing. Your antediluvian view of the world is amusing. When are you going to learn that it doesnt matter what people have a right to feel. What matters is how its going to effect everyday life for you. If a woman doesn't appreciate being catcalled shut up. If you choose to continue then dont whine about the resulting atmosphere where they look elsewhere for respect and love..There was no gauntlet. She walked for ten hours and was able to cobble together four whole minutes where she got some kind of words in her direction. She walked for 9 hours and 56 minutes where no one said anything to her.
She received 100 comments in 10 hours - that's one every six minutes.
That most of the posters on this board cannot understand that women don't walk around in their everyday lives wanting strangers to comment on their appearance or to generally be treated like a piece of meat shows how little women are respected in today's culture. And you all think it's no big deal.
I'm a woman, and it's stupid. People like her and you make us real women who can handle such comments with grace and class look like wimps, and then when there are ACTUAL cases of assault, we aren't taken seriously. STOP whining! It's not a big deal.
Damn straight. The women who lived before toxic feminism infected their souls had far more grounded lives and better heads on their shoulders:
The iconic 1951 image “American Girl in Italy” turns 60 on Monday. As its anniversary approaches, the stunning woman in the photo — Ninalee Craig, now 83 — is speaking up about it. She wants to explain what the photo represents, and what it doesn’t.
“Some people want to use it as a symbol of harassment of women, but that’s what we’ve been fighting all these years,” Craig said in a telephone interview from her home in Toronto. “It’s not a symbol of harassment. It’s a symbol of a woman having an absolutely wonderful time!”
Back in 1951, Craig was a carefree 23-year-old who had chucked her job in New York and secured third-class accommodations on a ship bound for Europe. She spent more than six months making her way through France, Spain and Italy all by herself — something very few women did in the years following World War II. . . . .
Of course, a good documentary photograph welcomes viewers into a scene and invites their interpretations. That’s understandable, say Craig and Engel — but both of them stress the same point about “American Girl in Italy”: The photo is primarily a celebration of strong, independent women who aren’t afraid to live life.
“Men who see the picture always ask me: Was I frightened? Did I need to be protected? Was I upset?” Craig said. “They always have a manly concern for me. Women, on the other hand, look at that picture, and the ones who have become my friends will laugh and say, ‘Isn’t it wonderful? Aren’t the Italians wonderful? ... They make you feel appreciated!’”
Craig said she certainly did feel appreciated in Italy and elsewhere in Europe. She turned plenty of heads wherever she went because she was 6 feet tall and traveling alone. She knows the men in the photo appear to be leering and lascivious, but she insists they were harmless.
“Very few of those men had jobs,” Craig said. “Italy was recovering from the war and had really been devastated by it … I can tell you that it wasn’t the intent of any man there to harass me.”
Interesting. I can understand where it makes some women feel "uncomfortable," but it certainly isn't any kind of assault.
There are plenty of things in life which make me uncomfortable. This liberal notion that one has a right to not have their feelings hurt or to be made to feel uncomfortable by having to listen to people speak to you or about topics that you don't want to hear is a really bizarre and infantile view on life.
Many complain about helicopter parenting, this is the feminist equivalent - pass laws in order for women to feel safe in a bubble floating along on top of a sea of oppression. The tyranny of nice.
Even if this law passed we'd still have women complaining, but the complaints would be about how men are such cowards for not talking to women, men being too timid, too withdrawn in their shells.
There was no gauntlet. She walked for ten hours and was able to cobble together four whole minutes where she got some kind of words in her direction. She walked for 9 hours and 56 minutes where no one said anything to her.
She received 100 comments in 10 hours - that's one every six minutes.
That most of the posters on this board cannot understand that women don't walk around in their everyday lives wanting strangers to comment on their appearance or to generally be treated like a piece of meat shows how little women are respected in today's culture. And you all think it's no big deal.
I'm a woman, and it's stupid. People like her and you make us real women who can handle such comments with grace and class look like wimps, and then when there are ACTUAL cases of assault, we aren't taken seriously. STOP whining! It's not a big deal.
Damn straight. The women who lived before toxic feminism infected their souls had far more grounded lives and better heads on their shoulders:
The iconic 1951 image “American Girl in Italy” turns 60 on Monday. As its anniversary approaches, the stunning woman in the photo — Ninalee Craig, now 83 — is speaking up about it. She wants to explain what the photo represents, and what it doesn’t.
“Some people want to use it as a symbol of harassment of women, but that’s what we’ve been fighting all these years,” Craig said in a telephone interview from her home in Toronto. “It’s not a symbol of harassment. It’s a symbol of a woman having an absolutely wonderful time!”
Back in 1951, Craig was a carefree 23-year-old who had chucked her job in New York and secured third-class accommodations on a ship bound for Europe. She spent more than six months making her way through France, Spain and Italy all by herself — something very few women did in the years following World War II. . . . .
Of course, a good documentary photograph welcomes viewers into a scene and invites their interpretations. That’s understandable, say Craig and Engel — but both of them stress the same point about “American Girl in Italy”: The photo is primarily a celebration of strong, independent women who aren’t afraid to live life.
“Men who see the picture always ask me: Was I frightened? Did I need to be protected? Was I upset?” Craig said. “They always have a manly concern for me. Women, on the other hand, look at that picture, and the ones who have become my friends will laugh and say, ‘Isn’t it wonderful? Aren’t the Italians wonderful? ... They make you feel appreciated!’”
Craig said she certainly did feel appreciated in Italy and elsewhere in Europe. She turned plenty of heads wherever she went because she was 6 feet tall and traveling alone. She knows the men in the photo appear to be leering and lascivious, but she insists they were harmless.
“Very few of those men had jobs,” Craig said. “Italy was recovering from the war and had really been devastated by it … I can tell you that it wasn’t the intent of any man there to harass me.”
Interesting. I can understand where it makes some women feel "uncomfortable," but it certainly isn't any kind of assault.
There are plenty of things in life which make me uncomfortable. This liberal notion that one has a right to not have their feelings hurt or to be made to feel uncomfortable by having to listen to people speak to you or about topics that you don't want to hear is a really bizarre and infantile view on life.
Many complain about helicopter parenting, this is the feminist equivalent - pass laws in order for women to feel safe in a bubble floating along on top of a sea of oppression. The tyranny of nice.
Even if this law passed we'd still have women complaining, but the complaints would be about how men are such cowards for not talking to women, men being too timid, too withdrawn in their shells.
Guys like Rhiz have no clue about body language.She received 100 comments in 10 hours - that's one every six minutes.
That most of the posters on this board cannot understand that women don't walk around in their everyday lives wanting strangers to comment on their appearance or to generally be treated like a piece of meat shows how little women are respected in today's culture. And you all think it's no big deal.
I'm a woman, and it's stupid. People like her and you make us real women who can handle such comments with grace and class look like wimps, and then when there are ACTUAL cases of assault, we aren't taken seriously. STOP whining! It's not a big deal.
Damn straight. The women who lived before toxic feminism infected their souls had far more grounded lives and better heads on their shoulders:
The iconic 1951 image “American Girl in Italy” turns 60 on Monday. As its anniversary approaches, the stunning woman in the photo — Ninalee Craig, now 83 — is speaking up about it. She wants to explain what the photo represents, and what it doesn’t.
“Some people want to use it as a symbol of harassment of women, but that’s what we’ve been fighting all these years,” Craig said in a telephone interview from her home in Toronto. “It’s not a symbol of harassment. It’s a symbol of a woman having an absolutely wonderful time!”
Back in 1951, Craig was a carefree 23-year-old who had chucked her job in New York and secured third-class accommodations on a ship bound for Europe. She spent more than six months making her way through France, Spain and Italy all by herself — something very few women did in the years following World War II. . . . .
Of course, a good documentary photograph welcomes viewers into a scene and invites their interpretations. That’s understandable, say Craig and Engel — but both of them stress the same point about “American Girl in Italy”: The photo is primarily a celebration of strong, independent women who aren’t afraid to live life.
“Men who see the picture always ask me: Was I frightened? Did I need to be protected? Was I upset?” Craig said. “They always have a manly concern for me. Women, on the other hand, look at that picture, and the ones who have become my friends will laugh and say, ‘Isn’t it wonderful? Aren’t the Italians wonderful? ... They make you feel appreciated!’”
Craig said she certainly did feel appreciated in Italy and elsewhere in Europe. She turned plenty of heads wherever she went because she was 6 feet tall and traveling alone. She knows the men in the photo appear to be leering and lascivious, but she insists they were harmless.
“Very few of those men had jobs,” Craig said. “Italy was recovering from the war and had really been devastated by it … I can tell you that it wasn’t the intent of any man there to harass me.”
Interesting. I can understand where it makes some women feel "uncomfortable," but it certainly isn't any kind of assault.
There are plenty of things in life which make me uncomfortable. This liberal notion that one has a right to not have their feelings hurt or to be made to feel uncomfortable by having to listen to people speak to you or about topics that you don't want to hear is a really bizarre and infantile view on life.
Many complain about helicopter parenting, this is the feminist equivalent - pass laws in order for women to feel safe in a bubble floating along on top of a sea of oppression. The tyranny of nice.
Even if this law passed we'd still have women complaining, but the complaints would be about how men are such cowards for not talking to women, men being too timid, too withdrawn in their shells.
Well, I agree, but that doesn't mean that the men who do this are not lacking in class anyways. You guys really need to get a grip! Lol!
I just don't consider this an assault or a harassment in any way, shape or form, that doesn't mean that it's "enjoyable" though. It is embarrassing and, yes, it makes you feel very uncomfortable when men are leering at you. I actually do feel for the woman in the picture above. Although she doesn't hold it against the men, you can see by her facial expression and her body language that she appears uncomfortable with all of the attention.
It's annoying, embarrassing, and a bit humiliating to be honest.
She received 100 comments in 10 hours - that's one every six minutes.
That most of the posters on this board cannot understand that women don't walk around in their everyday lives wanting strangers to comment on their appearance or to generally be treated like a piece of meat shows how little women are respected in today's culture. And you all think it's no big deal.
I'm a woman, and it's stupid. People like her and you make us real women who can handle such comments with grace and class look like wimps, and then when there are ACTUAL cases of assault, we aren't taken seriously. STOP whining! It's not a big deal.
Damn straight. The women who lived before toxic feminism infected their souls had far more grounded lives and better heads on their shoulders:
The iconic 1951 image “American Girl in Italy” turns 60 on Monday. As its anniversary approaches, the stunning woman in the photo — Ninalee Craig, now 83 — is speaking up about it. She wants to explain what the photo represents, and what it doesn’t.
“Some people want to use it as a symbol of harassment of women, but that’s what we’ve been fighting all these years,” Craig said in a telephone interview from her home in Toronto. “It’s not a symbol of harassment. It’s a symbol of a woman having an absolutely wonderful time!”
Back in 1951, Craig was a carefree 23-year-old who had chucked her job in New York and secured third-class accommodations on a ship bound for Europe. She spent more than six months making her way through France, Spain and Italy all by herself — something very few women did in the years following World War II. . . . .
Of course, a good documentary photograph welcomes viewers into a scene and invites their interpretations. That’s understandable, say Craig and Engel — but both of them stress the same point about “American Girl in Italy”: The photo is primarily a celebration of strong, independent women who aren’t afraid to live life.
“Men who see the picture always ask me: Was I frightened? Did I need to be protected? Was I upset?” Craig said. “They always have a manly concern for me. Women, on the other hand, look at that picture, and the ones who have become my friends will laugh and say, ‘Isn’t it wonderful? Aren’t the Italians wonderful? ... They make you feel appreciated!’”
Craig said she certainly did feel appreciated in Italy and elsewhere in Europe. She turned plenty of heads wherever she went because she was 6 feet tall and traveling alone. She knows the men in the photo appear to be leering and lascivious, but she insists they were harmless.
“Very few of those men had jobs,” Craig said. “Italy was recovering from the war and had really been devastated by it … I can tell you that it wasn’t the intent of any man there to harass me.”
Interesting. I can understand where it makes some women feel "uncomfortable," but it certainly isn't any kind of assault.
There are plenty of things in life which make me uncomfortable. This liberal notion that one has a right to not have their feelings hurt or to be made to feel uncomfortable by having to listen to people speak to you or about topics that you don't want to hear is a really bizarre and infantile view on life.
Many complain about helicopter parenting, this is the feminist equivalent - pass laws in order for women to feel safe in a bubble floating along on top of a sea of oppression. The tyranny of nice.
Even if this law passed we'd still have women complaining, but the complaints would be about how men are such cowards for not talking to women, men being too timid, too withdrawn in their shells.
Well, I agree, but that doesn't mean that the men who do this are not lacking in class anyways. You guys really need to get a grip! Lol!
I just don't consider this an assault or a harassment in any way, shape or form, that doesn't mean that it's "enjoyable" though. It is embarrassing and, yes, it makes you feel very uncomfortable when men are leering at you. I actually do feel for the woman in the picture above. Although she doesn't hold it against the men, you can see by her facial expression and her body language that she appears uncomfortable with all of the attention.
I have found the art of walking the fine line between appreciating a woman and ogling her is a long lost art with most guys. A woman knows if you are checking her out but if you smile and mention she makes her outfit look great she seems to forget about that and smile back.You know what makes women feel uncomfortable too? When you are talking to a man, and he blatantly stares at your "body parts." I mean, a passing glance or maybe even a prolonged "gaze" is acceptable and can even be sexual sometimes, as long as the eyes move away from those areas and to your face when you are speaking. I've had guys that I've talked to just stare at "parts" and that makes me just want to smack them upside their stupid heads.
If a woman doesn't appreciate being catcalled shut up.
I have found the art of walking the fine line between appreciating a woman and ogling her is a long lost art with most guys. A woman knows if you are checking her out but if you smile and mention she makes her outfit look great she seems to forget about that and smile back.You know what makes women feel uncomfortable too? When you are talking to a man, and he blatantly stares at your "body parts." I mean, a passing glance or maybe even a prolonged "gaze" is acceptable and can even be sexual sometimes, as long as the eyes move away from those areas and to your face when you are speaking. I've had guys that I've talked to just stare at "parts" and that makes me just want to smack them upside their stupid heads.
Body language doesnt lie. The woman in the picture is clearly uncomfortable. I dont care what she says.I'm a woman, and it's stupid. People like her and you make us real women who can handle such comments with grace and class look like wimps, and then when there are ACTUAL cases of assault, we aren't taken seriously. STOP whining! It's not a big deal.
Damn straight. The women who lived before toxic feminism infected their souls had far more grounded lives and better heads on their shoulders:
The iconic 1951 image “American Girl in Italy” turns 60 on Monday. As its anniversary approaches, the stunning woman in the photo — Ninalee Craig, now 83 — is speaking up about it. She wants to explain what the photo represents, and what it doesn’t.
“Some people want to use it as a symbol of harassment of women, but that’s what we’ve been fighting all these years,” Craig said in a telephone interview from her home in Toronto. “It’s not a symbol of harassment. It’s a symbol of a woman having an absolutely wonderful time!”
Back in 1951, Craig was a carefree 23-year-old who had chucked her job in New York and secured third-class accommodations on a ship bound for Europe. She spent more than six months making her way through France, Spain and Italy all by herself — something very few women did in the years following World War II. . . . .
Of course, a good documentary photograph welcomes viewers into a scene and invites their interpretations. That’s understandable, say Craig and Engel — but both of them stress the same point about “American Girl in Italy”: The photo is primarily a celebration of strong, independent women who aren’t afraid to live life.
“Men who see the picture always ask me: Was I frightened? Did I need to be protected? Was I upset?” Craig said. “They always have a manly concern for me. Women, on the other hand, look at that picture, and the ones who have become my friends will laugh and say, ‘Isn’t it wonderful? Aren’t the Italians wonderful? ... They make you feel appreciated!’”
Craig said she certainly did feel appreciated in Italy and elsewhere in Europe. She turned plenty of heads wherever she went because she was 6 feet tall and traveling alone. She knows the men in the photo appear to be leering and lascivious, but she insists they were harmless.
“Very few of those men had jobs,” Craig said. “Italy was recovering from the war and had really been devastated by it … I can tell you that it wasn’t the intent of any man there to harass me.”
Interesting. I can understand where it makes some women feel "uncomfortable," but it certainly isn't any kind of assault.
There are plenty of things in life which make me uncomfortable. This liberal notion that one has a right to not have their feelings hurt or to be made to feel uncomfortable by having to listen to people speak to you or about topics that you don't want to hear is a really bizarre and infantile view on life.
Many complain about helicopter parenting, this is the feminist equivalent - pass laws in order for women to feel safe in a bubble floating along on top of a sea of oppression. The tyranny of nice.
Even if this law passed we'd still have women complaining, but the complaints would be about how men are such cowards for not talking to women, men being too timid, too withdrawn in their shells.
Well, I agree, but that doesn't mean that the men who do this are not lacking in class anyways. You guys really need to get a grip! Lol!
I just don't consider this an assault or a harassment in any way, shape or form, that doesn't mean that it's "enjoyable" though. It is embarrassing and, yes, it makes you feel very uncomfortable when men are leering at you. I actually do feel for the woman in the picture above. Although she doesn't hold it against the men, you can see by her facial expression and her body language that she appears uncomfortable with all of the attention.
She says differently and so do her old biddy friends. I think they're talking about a sense of power, the desired women has power over those men who desire her.
As for enjoyable, I've never once heard a woman complain about male attention and male desire when it's the right men who are focused on her and expressing themselves. That seems to be quite enjoyable. The problem, which you allude to, is that these guys are low class, the wrong kind of guys. How dare they speak to a woman who is better than them.
Thats a text dummy. She cant see you or observe you in a text.I have found the art of walking the fine line between appreciating a woman and ogling her is a long lost art with most guys. A woman knows if you are checking her out but if you smile and mention she makes her outfit look great she seems to forget about that and smile back.You know what makes women feel uncomfortable too? When you are talking to a man, and he blatantly stares at your "body parts." I mean, a passing glance or maybe even a prolonged "gaze" is acceptable and can even be sexual sometimes, as long as the eyes move away from those areas and to your face when you are speaking. I've had guys that I've talked to just stare at "parts" and that makes me just want to smack them upside their stupid heads.
Counterpoint:
I'm a woman, and it's stupid. People like her and you make us real women who can handle such comments with grace and class look like wimps, and then when there are ACTUAL cases of assault, we aren't taken seriously. STOP whining! It's not a big deal.
Damn straight. The women who lived before toxic feminism infected their souls had far more grounded lives and better heads on their shoulders:
The iconic 1951 image “American Girl in Italy” turns 60 on Monday. As its anniversary approaches, the stunning woman in the photo — Ninalee Craig, now 83 — is speaking up about it. She wants to explain what the photo represents, and what it doesn’t.
“Some people want to use it as a symbol of harassment of women, but that’s what we’ve been fighting all these years,” Craig said in a telephone interview from her home in Toronto. “It’s not a symbol of harassment. It’s a symbol of a woman having an absolutely wonderful time!”
Back in 1951, Craig was a carefree 23-year-old who had chucked her job in New York and secured third-class accommodations on a ship bound for Europe. She spent more than six months making her way through France, Spain and Italy all by herself — something very few women did in the years following World War II. . . . .
Of course, a good documentary photograph welcomes viewers into a scene and invites their interpretations. That’s understandable, say Craig and Engel — but both of them stress the same point about “American Girl in Italy”: The photo is primarily a celebration of strong, independent women who aren’t afraid to live life.
“Men who see the picture always ask me: Was I frightened? Did I need to be protected? Was I upset?” Craig said. “They always have a manly concern for me. Women, on the other hand, look at that picture, and the ones who have become my friends will laugh and say, ‘Isn’t it wonderful? Aren’t the Italians wonderful? ... They make you feel appreciated!’”
Craig said she certainly did feel appreciated in Italy and elsewhere in Europe. She turned plenty of heads wherever she went because she was 6 feet tall and traveling alone. She knows the men in the photo appear to be leering and lascivious, but she insists they were harmless.
“Very few of those men had jobs,” Craig said. “Italy was recovering from the war and had really been devastated by it … I can tell you that it wasn’t the intent of any man there to harass me.”
Interesting. I can understand where it makes some women feel "uncomfortable," but it certainly isn't any kind of assault.
There are plenty of things in life which make me uncomfortable. This liberal notion that one has a right to not have their feelings hurt or to be made to feel uncomfortable by having to listen to people speak to you or about topics that you don't want to hear is a really bizarre and infantile view on life.
Many complain about helicopter parenting, this is the feminist equivalent - pass laws in order for women to feel safe in a bubble floating along on top of a sea of oppression. The tyranny of nice.
Even if this law passed we'd still have women complaining, but the complaints would be about how men are such cowards for not talking to women, men being too timid, too withdrawn in their shells.
Well, I agree, but that doesn't mean that the men who do this are not lacking in class anyways. You guys really need to get a grip! Lol!
I just don't consider this an assault or a harassment in any way, shape or form, that doesn't mean that it's "enjoyable" though. It is embarrassing and, yes, it makes you feel very uncomfortable when men are leering at you. I actually do feel for the woman in the picture above. Although she doesn't hold it against the men, you can see by her facial expression and her body language that she appears uncomfortable with all of the attention.
She says differently and so do her old biddy friends. I think they're talking about a sense of power, the desired women has power over those men who desire her.
As for enjoyable, I've never once heard a woman complain about male attention and male desire when it's the right men who are focused on her and expressing themselves. That seems to be quite enjoyable. The problem, which you allude to, is that these guys are low class, the wrong kind of guys. How dare they speak to a woman who is better than them.
Of course attention from the "right guy" is desirable. Thats because she has given him permission.
I know. Youre white. Thats why you guys are losing. You have no clue how to approach women.If a woman doesn't appreciate being catcalled shut up.
Hey, I'm not a black dude, so you needn't fear that I need a lesson in manners and etiquette. Take your concern down to the hood and teach your bros how to conduct themselves with more class.
So you really think a woman doesnt give you permission? What a moron.Of course attention from the "right guy" is desirable. Thats because she has given him permission.
No she hasn't.
Dude: "May I commence flirting with you?"
Chick: "Yes, you may commence with your flirtation."
