Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings?

[Silhouette]

Read Jude 1 when you get a minute

 

[toxicmedia]

I find it interesting how complicated arguments agains being gay, or gays getting married, can become. For me it's quite simple. What gays do...in terms of getting married, just living together, or kissing in public...doesn't have any physical or financial effect on the institution of man/woman only marriages, or those who oppose it.

Gay marriage, is a truly eroding vestigal social taboo that has roots in very primitaive behavior, and practiced by those who embrace their version of "tradition" over human compassion.

See my last post for how your smooth words are the opposite of true. Jude 1 even warned about talk exactly like yours to try to win the hearts of the faithful into promoting the forbidden: that which is malignantly deviant.

Jude 1, New Testament:

16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ

18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts

Gay marriage has a direct effect not only on the children in them who will be deprived of the complimentary gender as parent 100% of the time, but in so doing will be raising a generation of people who think that is "normal". Multiply that by time and you'll understand why such a warped institution is forbidden by God. The Bible isn't some "Chicken soup for the mythologically-inclined". It is a practical guide given to human civilizations that gives a basic framework within which to not repeat prevoius mistakes and catastrophes back into time forgotten. That's the reason it's devine; we simply cannot remember that far back. So the Bible does the remembering for us. It is a book of memories, good and bad. What worked and what didn't and how humans can live in societies with the least amount of progressive harm to themselves over time.

I don't give a rat's ass about what the bible says, doesn't say, or anyone's interpretation of what the bible says about gay marriage. We don't have our own verison of Christian Sharia law going on in this country.

Legislation has to stand on it's own merit, without assistance from religion

 

[Silhouette]

True and gay marriage cannot stand on its own merit because states have no business incentivizing marriages that are guaranteed to give children in them a lack of the complimentary gender (which may be the child's own) 100% of the time. That's essentially the same formatively, as the state granting single parents the right to marry themselves as monosexuals who prefer to be alone.

If you want to make the argument that the Supreme Court should "think of the children currently being deprived of the privelege of marriage", there are vastly larger numbers of those children caught up in monosexual homes than homosexual ones.

Don't even get me started on the thousands of kids caught up on polygamy marriages...

I find it interesting how complicated arguments agains being gay, or gays getting married, can become. For me it's quite simple. What gays do...in terms of getting married, just living together, or kissing in public...doesn't have any physical or financial effect on the institution of man/woman only marriages, or those who oppose it....

Toxic, see my last post for how your smooth words are the opposite of true. Jude 1 even warned about talk exactly like yours to try to win the hearts of the faithful into promoting the forbidden: that which is malignantly deviant.
Jude 1, New Testament:

16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts

Gay marriage has a direct effect not only on the children in them who will be deprived of the complimentary gender as parent 100% of the time, but in so doing will be raising a generation of people who think that is "normal". Multiply that by time and you'll understand why such a warped institution is forbidden by God.

The Bible isn't some "Chicken soup for the mythologically-inclined". It is a practical guide given to human civilizations that gives a basic framework within which to not repeat previous mistakes and catastrophes back into time forgotten. That's the reason it's devine; we simply cannot remember that far back. So the Bible does the remembering for us. It is a book of memories, good and bad. What worked and what didn't and how humans can live in societies with the least amount of progressive harm to themselves over time.

You may not care about the Bible but this is a thread that discusses your religion vs the christian one so it's fair game.. If you want to discuss how much LGBT resembles a cult who recruits and evangelizes, I'll be happy to "go there"...

 

[beagle9]

Muslim cabbies in Minnesota claimed accepting fares from people carrying booze, drunks, or dogs would violate their religious beliefs. The state ordered them to do so regardless because they were violation of the state's PA laws.

So you have without realizing it, just affirmed what I just said...that your cult is gearing up to sue churches to force them to perform gay weddings. You will no doubt also be gearing up to sue islamics to perform gay weddings in mosques? No?.

Homosexuals are not like your cult of homophobes.

Nobody is proposing to sue churches- and any idiot who does will be laughed out of court- whether he sues to make a church marry an African American, a Jew or a homosexual.

Not sue, but they are willing to ask that someone be fired in a heart beat, if they don't tow the line after they are asked about what they think of gay people or the gay lifestyle. The contestant for Mrs. America knows all about that one because she was attempted to be fired because of her opinion given when asked, and so does Phil of Duck Dynasty along with The former Chic-Filet CEO, and the baker, the photographer and so on and so forth. Now whats the difference in being sued as opposed to the attempt by the militants to oust one from their business or in the stopping of their ability to do business in America any longer and/or for ones business to be shut down in America all because of ? Is there a difference ? I don't see one... Oh and how did the cabbies become an issue in which you described about them ? Will the state or government enforcers finally be won over by such groups completely soon, and therefore the proceedings would then start immediately on attacking those who would try and separate themselves from the promoting of very bad sinful lifestyles in which goes directly against their faith or religious beliefs in this nation ? Look at what has happened in the last 30 years, and where the attacks on Christianity in the public square has gone. NO NATIVITY SCENES, NO TEN COMMANDMENTS POSTED, NO PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE RECITED, NO BOY SCOUTS OR RATHER THAT BOY SCOUTS NEED TO EXCEPT GAY SCOUT MASTERS, NO CROSS IN THE MILITARY CEMETERY, AND ON AND ON IT ALL KEEPS ON GOING. I think many of these issues have been dragged before the courts also, so don't tell us that something won't happen, when we know by proof of that things will happen sooner or later on such issues, and they will be dragged before the court when they happen.

No one is fooled by progressives here, and what they want for America to be like for them in the coming future, so I don't know why you all don't know this by now.

I find it interesting how complicated arguments agains being gay, or gays getting married, can become.

For me it's quite simple.

What gays do...in terms of getting married, just living together, or kissing in public...doesn't have any physical or financial effect on the institution of man/woman only marriages, or those who oppose it.

Gay marriage, is a truly eroding vestigal social taboo that has roots in very primitaive behavior, and practiced by those who embrace their version of "tradition" over human compassion.

Read Jude 1 when you get a minute

Will do..

 

[Syriusly]

True and gay marriage cannot stand on its own merit because states have no business incentivizing marriages...

Well thanks for that opinion piece from the homophobe cult.

Meanwhile in 35 states, people in love are getting married.

that means in 35 states, there are children who now have married parents.

 

[Syriusly]

Muslim cabbies in Minnesota claimed accepting fares from people carrying booze, drunks, or dogs would violate their religious beliefs. The state ordered them to do so regardless because they were violation of the state's PA laws.

So you have without realizing it, just affirmed what I just said...that your cult is gearing up to sue churches to force them to perform gay weddings. You will no doubt also be gearing up to sue islamics to perform gay weddings in mosques? No?.

Homosexuals are not like your cult of homophobes.

Nobody is proposing to sue churches- and any idiot who does will be laughed out of court- whether he sues to make a church marry an African American, a Jew or a homosexual.

Not sue, but they are willing to ask that someone be fired in a heart beat, if they don't tow the line after they are asked about what they think of gay people or the gay lifestyle. The contestant for Mrs. America knows all about that one because she was attempted to be fired because of her opinion given when asked, and so does Phil of Duck Dynasty along with The former Chic-Filet CEO, and the baker, the photographer and so on and so forth. Now whats the difference in being sued as opposed to the attempt by the militants to oust one from their business or in the stopping of their ability to do business in America any longer and/or for ones business to be shut down in America all because of ?

As are every other special interest group- from the NRA to the Christian Right.

The Christian Right has led several boycotts- including of Disney- because of perception that they were too gay friendly.
Want a list of other business's boycotted because they were perceived as treating gays with too much compassion?

The Million Mom's group tried to get Ellen Degeneres fired from her job as a spokesperson for JCPenney- because of course she is openly gay.

The Million Mom's group also took credit for getting a TV show canceled- that is several hundred people that lost their jobs because those fine Christians thought that show was too gay friendly.

Now do these represent all Christians? Of course not- nor do the persons who called for the firing of the Duck Dynasty folks represent all homosexuals. But every group has the right to speak out- and and speak their mind.

And while I think boycotts are counter productive in most cases- it is every persons right to call for a boycott.

What is the difference between being sued and appealing to public opinion?

One is asking for the legal protections afforded under the law.

The other is trying to use the power of public opinion to bring about change.

Both have their time and place.

 

[Silhouette]

True and gay marriage cannot stand on its own merit because states have no business incentivizing marriages...

Well thanks for that opinion piece from the homophobe cult.

Meanwhile in 35 states, people in love are getting married.

that means in 35 states, there are children who now have married parents.

Not legally in most of those 35 states. Gay Marriages in States Forced by Circuit Courts to Allow Them Are Not Legal US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

And no, those children still do not have a father and mother as parents so they are not children of a marriage.

 

[Syriusly]

Look at what has happened in the last 30 years, and where the attacks on Christianity in the public square has gone. NO NATIVITY SCENES, NO TEN COMMANDMENTS POSTED, NO PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE RECITED, NO BOY SCOUTS OR RATHER THAT BOY SCOUTS NEED TO EXCEPT GAY SCOUT MASTERS, NO CROSS IN THE MILITARY CEMETERY, AND ON AND ON IT ALL KEEPS ON GOING. I think many of these issues have been dragged before the courts also, so don't tell us that something won't happen, when we know by proof of that things will happen sooner or later on such issues, and they will be dragged before the court when they happen.

No one is fooled by progressives here, and what they want for America to be like for them in the coming future, so I don't know why you all don't know this by now.

Agreed. And perhaps it wouldn't even be so terrible if those requesting that suppression of freedom of expression of one's religion were merely atheist secularists. But they're not. They have a religion of their own: it is the religion of those against religion. They have a rigid dogma "oppose all expressions of the sublime faiths" .

Pure homophobic bat shit crazy.

 

[Syriusly]

True and gay marriage cannot stand on its own merit because states have no business incentivizing marriages...

Well thanks for that opinion piece from the homophobe cult.

Meanwhile in 35 states, people in love are getting married.

that means in 35 states, there are children who now have married parents.

Not legally in most of those 35 states. Gay Marriages in States Forced by Circuit Courts to Allow Them Are Not Legal US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

And no, those children still do not have a father and mother as parents so they are not children of a marriage.

Legally in every single one of those 35 states.

And those children with gay marriage have married parents. Without gay marriage have no married parents.

Why do you hate the children of gay parents?

 

[Syriusly]

Those who dedicate themselves to hating gays aren't people

You're close. Saintmichael isn't against gays. S/he is one playing the role of a "gay hater" using abusive language to spark sympathy for his crowd. It's a theater act.

LOL....unlike most people, when Silhouette hears hoof beats, she doesn't think horses- or even zebras.....she is convinced that it is a herd of evil unicorns.

 

[Syriusly]

Two women marrying means deviants. It doesn't have to involve sex.

What they do in their bedroom is none of your business. You're making their sex life your issue unnecessarily. There's no biblical requirement that you involve yourself in other people's sex life. Nor any commandment that you don't sell homosexuals cake.

You've imagined all of it. You just don't like gays. And you don't have to like them. You do have to treat them fairly and equally if you're doing business with the public.

Actually, what faggots do in their bedroom IS everyone else's business? Why? Because they've shoved their lifestyle down everyone's throats. It's in every sector of society, even in football. You people are not that important.

And by 'shoving it down everyone's throats', you mean merely *existing*? They've done nothing to you. You've suffered no losses because the rights of gays are recognized. Your marriage is in no way impacted.

And yet you're bending over backwards to portray yourself as some victim. You're not. Nothing has happened to you.

No, I mean shoving it down everyone's throats. When businesses are forced to bend over to give them special rights in the workplace,!

If you don't like the laws that say that business's cannot discriminate against African Americans, Jews, Women or homosexuals lobby to change the laws.

But otherwise- I have no more sympathy for you than I do for the bigot who doesn't want to serve African Americans at the lunch counter.

 

[Syriusly]

What children?

Once again- our wedding cake didn't say a word about children on it.

Nor has any baker who has objected to baking cakes for gay couples mentioned children as the reason.

Just you

You missed the point. Children being victimized by homo marriage is a separate issue. Homo marriage by itself is wrong.

You have every right to believe gay marriage is wrong. Despite your objections and hand-wringing gays will continue to marry.

Not necessarily. You may fantasize that the debate has been settled, but legally speaking, it hasn't.

You're not making legal arguments. You're making religious ones. Which are as irrelevant to legal proceedings as you can get

Actually I've made several legal arguments, lengthy ones, to parry your idiotic assertion that somewhere in the Constitution is a "right" to butt sex marriage.

What is butt sex marriage?

There is just marriage.

And in 35 states- that includes same gender couples.

 

[Syriusly]

What children?

Once again- our wedding cake didn't say a word about children on it.

Nor has any baker who has objected to baking cakes for gay couples mentioned children as the reason.

Just you.

Trying to make children a qualifier for objections to gay "marriage"?

It's wrong just by itself. Sucking innocent children into your crazy world only ensures eternal condemnation.

What children?

Once again- our wedding cake didn't say a word about children on it.

Nor has any baker who has objected to baking cakes for gay couples mentioned children as the reason.

Just you

You missed the point. Children being victimized by homo marriage is a separate issue. Homo marriage by itself is wrong.

But why would you consider 'homo marriage' to be wrong? See, this is where your argument always breaks. As you have no rational nor logical reason for your condemnation that means anything to one who doesn't already believe exactly as you do.

And of course, the courts don't care about your religious beliefs when deciding if gay marriage should be recognized.

The courts are legislating from the bench and that's the issue. There is nothing in the Constitution that allows them to give the federal government jurisdiction over marriage. None. And here's a fact about democracy that I know ires the godless Left. People can vote and pass laws for whatever reason they want, including religion.

Then your argument is with the Constitution and the Supreme Court

People can vote and pass laws- but if they are not Constitutional- the courts can strike them down.

And that pisses off all of you bigots.

 

[Syriusly]

Two women marrying means deviants. It doesn't have to involve sex.

What they do in their bedroom is none of your business. You're making their sex life your issue unnecessarily. There's no biblical requirement that you involve yourself in other people's sex life. Nor any commandment that you don't sell homosexuals cake.

You've imagined all of it. You just don't like gays. And you don't have to like them. You do have to treat them fairly and equally if you're doing business with the public.

Actually, what faggots do in their bedroom IS everyone else's business? Why? Because they've shoved their lifestyle down everyone's throats. It's in every sector of society, even in football. You people are not that important.

F*ggot, n*gger, c*nt, k*ke.

Same words used by bigots for the same purpose.

You fantasizing about how people have sex in their bedroom is not shoving anything down your throat.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Two women marrying means deviants. It doesn't have to involve sex.

What they do in their bedroom is none of your business. You're making their sex life your issue unnecessarily. There's no biblical requirement that you involve yourself in other people's sex life. Nor any commandment that you don't sell homosexuals cake.

You've imagined all of it. You just don't like gays. And you don't have to like them. You do have to treat them fairly and equally if you're doing business with the public.

Actually, what faggots do in their bedroom IS everyone else's business? Why? Because they've shoved their lifestyle down everyone's throats. It's in every sector of society, even in football. You people are not that important.

F*ggot, n*gger, c*nt, k*ke.

Same words used by bigots for the same purpose.

You fantasizing about how people have sex in their bedroom is not shoving anything down your throat.

Wrong. They make it everyone's business. This is the point. People wish they would keep that shit to themselves.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Two women marrying means deviants. It doesn't have to involve sex.

What they do in their bedroom is none of your business. You're making their sex life your issue unnecessarily. There's no biblical requirement that you involve yourself in other people's sex life. Nor any commandment that you don't sell homosexuals cake.

You've imagined all of it. You just don't like gays. And you don't have to like them. You do have to treat them fairly and equally if you're doing business with the public.

Actually, what faggots do in their bedroom IS everyone else's business? Why? Because they've shoved their lifestyle down everyone's throats. It's in every sector of society, even in football. You people are not that important.

F*ggot, n*gger, c*nt, k*ke.

Same words used by bigots for the same purpose.

You fantasizing about how people have sex in their bedroom is not shoving anything down your throat.

Wrong. They make it everyone's business. This is the point. People wish they would keep that shit to themselves.

Actually people wish you would keep your shit to yourself, and stop supporting a church that rapes small children. You lost Chief Sellout, give it a rest. It's Friday so you have fish to catch for dinner.

 

[Silhouette]

I would like the moderators to notice that Saintmichaeldefendthem (in antagonist role), Syriusly and Paint are all LGBT activists engaged in a make-believe flame war calculated to disappear this thread because of the importance of the poll results in it.

This wouldn't be the first time this trick has been used to try to "disappear" threads with subject matter, headings or poll results the cult doesn't like..

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I would like the moderators to notice that Saintmichaeldefendthem (in antagonist role), Syriusly and Paint are all LGBT activists engaged in a flame war calculated to disappear this thread because of the importance of the poll results in it.

Your note is as insane as you are. You lost. Shut up and deal with it, we ain't going back to when you could openly hate the faggots and most supported you.

 

[Silhouette]

Back to the topic. (Hey Saint, still have the rainbow in your signature I see ..)...

Gay activists (when they are not role-playing flame wars or drumming up sympathy) are here at this thread trying to assure the 82% who voted up above that they would not take their lawsuits against bakers, photographers or caterers into the churches (the hearts of the religious).

I say it will be within a nanosecond of any Supreme Court finding that changes gay-lifestyle-marraige (to the detriment of children) from a currently state-controlled privelege to a federally-guaranteed "right". Upon that very instant you will find gay people filing lawsuits against churches. You can drive a nail in the wall and hang your hat upon that...

 

[Syriusly]

Two women marrying means deviants. It doesn't have to involve sex.

What they do in their bedroom is none of your business. You're making their sex life your issue unnecessarily. There's no biblical requirement that you involve yourself in other people's sex life. Nor any commandment that you don't sell homosexuals cake.

You've imagined all of it. You just don't like gays. And you don't have to like them. You do have to treat them fairly and equally if you're doing business with the public.

Actually, what faggots do in their bedroom IS everyone else's business? Why? Because they've shoved their lifestyle down everyone's throats. It's in every sector of society, even in football. You people are not that important.

F*ggot, n*gger, c*nt, k*ke.

Same words used by bigots for the same purpose.

You fantasizing about how people have sex in their bedroom is not shoving anything down your throat.

Wrong. They make it everyone's business. This is the point. People wish they would keep that shit to themselves.

Yeah- like I said- bigots like yourself use

F*ggot, n*gger, c*nt, k*ke.

Same words used by bigots for the same purpose.

You fantasizing about how people have sex in their bedroom is not shoving anything down your throat.