Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings?

[Conservative65]

Obvious nonsense. A person is no more a church than a hub cap is a car. Holding a business to PA laws does not mean that churches are held to PA laws. As churches aren't businesses.

Try as you might, PA laws simply don't apply to churches. Churches and religious corporations are explicitly exempted.

hmmm... *Thumbs through Constitution*.... still cannot find "Freedom of Church" in here... all it says is freedom of the exercise of religion. Hey, aren't individuals the ones that are religious? I've never seen a church building genuflect before.

You don't get to ignore any law you don't like on religious grounds. We don't have theocratic anarchy. We're a constitutional republic. And the laws being applied to you are the same ones being applied to everyone else.

As for churches, they aren't being forced to accommodate weddings. PA laws don't apply to churches. And try as you might to claim otherwise, a person is not a church.

What is a church?

By and large, a religious corporation.

Shows how little you know moron. Bet you think the church includes the buildings.

 

[Seawytch]

Obvious nonsense. A person is no more a church than a hub cap is a car. Holding a business to PA laws does not mean that churches are held to PA laws. As churches aren't businesses.

Try as you might, PA laws simply don't apply to churches. Churches and religious corporations are explicitly exempted.

hmmm... *Thumbs through Constitution*.... still cannot find "Freedom of Church" in here... all it says is freedom of the exercise of religion. Hey, aren't individuals the ones that are religious? I've never seen a church building genuflect before.

You don't get to ignore any law you don't like on religious grounds. We don't have theocratic anarchy. We're a constitutional republic. And the laws being applied to you are the same ones being applied to everyone else.

As for churches, they aren't being forced to accommodate weddings. PA laws don't apply to churches. And try as you might to claim otherwise, a person is not a church.

What is a church?

By and large, a religious corporation.

Shows how little you know moron. Bet you think the church includes the buildings.

The law defines a church. A person is not a church.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

 

[Conservative65]

hmmm... *Thumbs through Constitution*.... still cannot find "Freedom of Church" in here... all it says is freedom of the exercise of religion. Hey, aren't individuals the ones that are religious? I've never seen a church building genuflect before.

You don't get to ignore any law you don't like on religious grounds. We don't have theocratic anarchy. We're a constitutional republic. And the laws being applied to you are the same ones being applied to everyone else.

As for churches, they aren't being forced to accommodate weddings. PA laws don't apply to churches. And try as you might to claim otherwise, a person is not a church.

What is a church?

By and large, a religious corporation.

Shows how little you know moron. Bet you think the church includes the buildings.

The law defines a church. A person is not a church.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

God defines a church. The people are the church not the buildings or anything else.

 

[Seawytch]

You don't get to ignore any law you don't like on religious grounds. We don't have theocratic anarchy. We're a constitutional republic. And the laws being applied to you are the same ones being applied to everyone else.

As for churches, they aren't being forced to accommodate weddings. PA laws don't apply to churches. And try as you might to claim otherwise, a person is not a church.

What is a church?

By and large, a religious corporation.

Shows how little you know moron. Bet you think the church includes the buildings.

The law defines a church. A person is not a church.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

God defines a church. The people are the church not the buildings or anything else.

You're free to believe that, but in America a church is clearly defined by law.
What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

 

[Conservative65]

What is a church?

By and large, a religious corporation.

Shows how little you know moron. Bet you think the church includes the buildings.

The law defines a church. A person is not a church.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

God defines a church. The people are the church not the buildings or anything else.

You're free to believe that, but in America a church is clearly defined by law.
What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

Don't confuse requirements of what a body of people wanting to be considered a church must meet with what a church is. The regulations can be there all day long and mean nothing until that body of people, what is truly the church under God's law, decided to apply them.

 

[Seawytch]

By and large, a religious corporation.

Shows how little you know moron. Bet you think the church includes the buildings.

The law defines a church. A person is not a church.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

God defines a church. The people are the church not the buildings or anything else.

You're free to believe that, but in America a church is clearly defined by law.
What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

Don't confuse requirements of what a body of people wanting to be considered a church must meet with what a church is. The regulations can be there all day long and mean nothing until that body of people, what is truly the church under God's law, decided to apply them.

You can believe whatever you want....but you must follow the secular laws. A person is not a church until the legal requirements are met.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

 

[Conservative65]

Shows how little you know moron. Bet you think the church includes the buildings.

The law defines a church. A person is not a church.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

God defines a church. The people are the church not the buildings or anything else.

You're free to believe that, but in America a church is clearly defined by law.
What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

Don't confuse requirements of what a body of people wanting to be considered a church must meet with what a church is. The regulations can be there all day long and mean nothing until that body of people, what is truly the church under God's law, decided to apply them.

You can believe whatever you want....but you must follow the secular laws. A person is not a church until the legal requirements are met.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

Again, don't confuse the process with the result.

While you may enjoy the secular laws now with you sexual deviance, God's laws will be the only thing that matters eventually. The secular ones mean nothing to Him. Good luck munching that carpet when it's hot.

 

[Skylar]

You don't get to ignore any law you don't like on religious grounds. We don't have theocratic anarchy. We're a constitutional republic. And the laws being applied to you are the same ones being applied to everyone else.

As for churches, they aren't being forced to accommodate weddings. PA laws don't apply to churches. And try as you might to claim otherwise, a person is not a church.

What is a church?

By and large, a religious corporation.

Shows how little you know moron. Bet you think the church includes the buildings.

The law defines a church. A person is not a church.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

God defines a church. The people are the church not the buildings or anything else.

We're speaking of PA laws requiring churches to accommodate homosexual weddings. You know, the name of the thread. And a church is very specific legally.

What you believe God defines is up to you. What you believe the law defines isn't.

 

[Conservative65]

What is a church?

By and large, a religious corporation.

Shows how little you know moron. Bet you think the church includes the buildings.

The law defines a church. A person is not a church.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

God defines a church. The people are the church not the buildings or anything else.

We're speaking of PA laws requiring churches to accommodate homosexual weddings. You know, the name of the thread. And a church is very specific legally.

What you believe God defines is up to you. What you believe the law defines isn't.

That you can't distinguish process from result like SeaBytch must have something to do with your sexually deviant lifestyle choice.

 

[Skylar]

The law defines a church. A person is not a church.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

God defines a church. The people are the church not the buildings or anything else.

You're free to believe that, but in America a church is clearly defined by law.
What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

Don't confuse requirements of what a body of people wanting to be considered a church must meet with what a church is. The regulations can be there all day long and mean nothing until that body of people, what is truly the church under God's law, decided to apply them.

You can believe whatever you want....but you must follow the secular laws. A person is not a church until the legal requirements are met.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

Again, don't confuse the process with the result.

While you may enjoy the secular laws now with you sexual deviance, God's laws will be the only thing that matters eventually. The secular ones mean nothing to Him. Good luck munching that carpet when it's hot.

When speaking of the law, the legal definitions matter.

 

[Seawytch]

The law defines a church. A person is not a church.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

God defines a church. The people are the church not the buildings or anything else.

You're free to believe that, but in America a church is clearly defined by law.
What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

Don't confuse requirements of what a body of people wanting to be considered a church must meet with what a church is. The regulations can be there all day long and mean nothing until that body of people, what is truly the church under God's law, decided to apply them.

You can believe whatever you want....but you must follow the secular laws. A person is not a church until the legal requirements are met.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

Again, don't confuse the process with the result.

While you may enjoy the secular laws now with you sexual deviance, God's laws will be the only thing that matters eventually. The secular ones mean nothing to Him. Good luck munching that carpet when it's hot.

God doesn't care what consenting adult I'm civilly married to.

 

[Skylar]

By and large, a religious corporation.

Shows how little you know moron. Bet you think the church includes the buildings.

The law defines a church. A person is not a church.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

God defines a church. The people are the church not the buildings or anything else.

We're speaking of PA laws requiring churches to accommodate homosexual weddings. You know, the name of the thread. And a church is very specific legally.

What you believe God defines is up to you. What you believe the law defines isn't.

That you can't distinguish process from result like SeaBytch must have something to do with your sexually deviant lifestyle choice.

We're speaking of the law. Churches are immune from PA laws. And thus, aren't required to accommodate any homosexual wedding.

Any religious 'process and result' definitions you want to invent are your business.

 

[Conservative65]

God defines a church. The people are the church not the buildings or anything else.

You're free to believe that, but in America a church is clearly defined by law.
What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

Don't confuse requirements of what a body of people wanting to be considered a church must meet with what a church is. The regulations can be there all day long and mean nothing until that body of people, what is truly the church under God's law, decided to apply them.

You can believe whatever you want....but you must follow the secular laws. A person is not a church until the legal requirements are met.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

Again, don't confuse the process with the result.

While you may enjoy the secular laws now with you sexual deviance, God's laws will be the only thing that matters eventually. The secular ones mean nothing to Him. Good luck munching that carpet when it's hot.

When speaking of the law, the legal definitions matter.

You're speaking of procedural requirements. A church isn't something simply because of what it is but what it DOES. People like you won't ever understand that because you look at it from a secular viewpoint and religion isn't secular.

 

[Conservative65]

God defines a church. The people are the church not the buildings or anything else.

You're free to believe that, but in America a church is clearly defined by law.
What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

Don't confuse requirements of what a body of people wanting to be considered a church must meet with what a church is. The regulations can be there all day long and mean nothing until that body of people, what is truly the church under God's law, decided to apply them.

You can believe whatever you want....but you must follow the secular laws. A person is not a church until the legal requirements are met.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

Again, don't confuse the process with the result.

While you may enjoy the secular laws now with you sexual deviance, God's laws will be the only thing that matters eventually. The secular ones mean nothing to Him. Good luck munching that carpet when it's hot.

God doesn't care what consenting adult I'm civilly married to.

Sure He does. Even Jesus said so.

 

[Conservative65]

Shows how little you know moron. Bet you think the church includes the buildings.

The law defines a church. A person is not a church.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

God defines a church. The people are the church not the buildings or anything else.

We're speaking of PA laws requiring churches to accommodate homosexual weddings. You know, the name of the thread. And a church is very specific legally.

What you believe God defines is up to you. What you believe the law defines isn't.

That you can't distinguish process from result like SeaBytch must have something to do with your sexually deviant lifestyle choice.

We're speaking of the law. Churches are immune from PA laws. And thus, aren't required to accommodate any homosexual wedding.

Any religious 'process and result' definitions you want to invent are your business.

Each of those have definitions and they don't mean the same thing.

 

[Ubiquitor]

to do so would require a violation of the separation of church and state. Religious ceremonies are not subject to gov't intervention unless, of course, they are harming someone, eg human sacrifice.

 

[Skylar]

You're free to believe that, but in America a church is clearly defined by law.
What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

Don't confuse requirements of what a body of people wanting to be considered a church must meet with what a church is. The regulations can be there all day long and mean nothing until that body of people, what is truly the church under God's law, decided to apply them.

You can believe whatever you want....but you must follow the secular laws. A person is not a church until the legal requirements are met.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

Again, don't confuse the process with the result.

While you may enjoy the secular laws now with you sexual deviance, God's laws will be the only thing that matters eventually. The secular ones mean nothing to Him. Good luck munching that carpet when it's hot.

When speaking of the law, the legal definitions matter.

You're speaking of procedural requirements. A church isn't something simply because of what it is but what it DOES. People like you won't ever understand that because you look at it from a secular viewpoint and religion isn't secular.

I'm speaking of the legal definition of a church in a discussion of churches being forced to accommodate homosexual weddings by Public Accommodation laws.

You can imagine a church to be anything you want it to be. But the only definition relevant to the law is the law's definition.

 

[Conservative65]

Don't confuse requirements of what a body of people wanting to be considered a church must meet with what a church is. The regulations can be there all day long and mean nothing until that body of people, what is truly the church under God's law, decided to apply them.

You can believe whatever you want....but you must follow the secular laws. A person is not a church until the legal requirements are met.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

Again, don't confuse the process with the result.

While you may enjoy the secular laws now with you sexual deviance, God's laws will be the only thing that matters eventually. The secular ones mean nothing to Him. Good luck munching that carpet when it's hot.

When speaking of the law, the legal definitions matter.

You're speaking of procedural requirements. A church isn't something simply because of what it is but what it DOES. People like you won't ever understand that because you look at it from a secular viewpoint and religion isn't secular.

I'm speaking of the legal definition of a church in a discussion of churches being forced to accommodate homosexual weddings by Public Accommodation laws.

You can imagine a church to be anything you want it to be. But the only definition relevant to the law is the law's definition.

You continue to confuse the list of things a body of people wantingn to become a church must meet. When they meet those things, that body of people is the church not the list.

 

[Skylar]

The law defines a church. A person is not a church.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

God defines a church. The people are the church not the buildings or anything else.

We're speaking of PA laws requiring churches to accommodate homosexual weddings. You know, the name of the thread. And a church is very specific legally.

What you believe God defines is up to you. What you believe the law defines isn't.

That you can't distinguish process from result like SeaBytch must have something to do with your sexually deviant lifestyle choice.

We're speaking of the law. Churches are immune from PA laws. And thus, aren't required to accommodate any homosexual wedding.

Any religious 'process and result' definitions you want to invent are your business.

Each of those have definitions and they don't mean the same thing.

In a discussion of PA laws and their application to churches, only the legal definition is relevant. You can make up whatever personal definition you wish. Its quite simply irrelevant to any discussion of the application of law.

 

[Skylar]

You can believe whatever you want....but you must follow the secular laws. A person is not a church until the legal requirements are met.

What Constitutes a Church Under Federal Laws legalzoom.com

Again, don't confuse the process with the result.

While you may enjoy the secular laws now with you sexual deviance, God's laws will be the only thing that matters eventually. The secular ones mean nothing to Him. Good luck munching that carpet when it's hot.

When speaking of the law, the legal definitions matter.

You're speaking of procedural requirements. A church isn't something simply because of what it is but what it DOES. People like you won't ever understand that because you look at it from a secular viewpoint and religion isn't secular.

I'm speaking of the legal definition of a church in a discussion of churches being forced to accommodate homosexual weddings by Public Accommodation laws.

You can imagine a church to be anything you want it to be. But the only definition relevant to the law is the law's definition.

You continue to confuse the list of things a body of people wantingn to become a church must meet. When they meet those things, that body of people is the church not the list.

No, I continue to recognize that in a discussion of the law, legal definitions are relevant. Whatever you want to make up isn't.

And a church has a legal definition. You are more than welcome to imagine whatever additional definitions you like. But they have no relevance to a discussion of the law.