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This nation is 19 trillion in debt because we dont pay enough in taxes... Got it...... Lol
True, Ronnie/Dubya ALSO greatly ramped up spending AS they gutted taxes too!
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This nation is 19 trillion in debt because we dont pay enough in taxes... Got it...... Lol
Only morons and liars conflate capital gain taxes with personal income taxes. Are you a moron or a liar.That's a lie. He pays more and a larger percentage.Did you know that Warren Buffet(who pays less taxes than his secretary)
He pays a smaller percentage not less...
I think he would know...
Buffett says he's still paying lower tax rate than his secretary
Warren Buffett says even though he and other top earners are paying higher taxes this year, he thinks he's still paying a lower rate than his secretary.
In 2013, capital gains for those earning more than $400,000 ($450,000 for couples) will be taxed at 20%, up from 15%. And high-income households also will pay an additional 3.8% in Medicare taxes on their investment income for the first time. The top marginal tax rate also rose for the wealthiest wage earners, but since Buffett's income is from investment gains, not wages, that's not a factor.
if you play poker you may realize that those with more money on the table, generally have an advantage in gaining even more money.......same with an economy......
so the rich should pay more in taxes
also because history has shown that the government, no matter how much certain pols claim they want to cut...doesnt get cut.........so at least tax the rich enough so that we can pay down our debt and not become like greece.
This is a rhetorical question, you do realize we who do pay taxes cut refunds to individuals who don't pay a dime?
If you want to balance the budget realize this is one of the problems, tell me what the percentage and amount is of non tax paying citizens and I'll bet you lunch we can balance the budget...
not sure where your going with this...the least wealthy often dont make enough to pay INCOME taxes...but taxing them more would be foolish since you cant squeeze blood from a turnip as they say.
Well the truth is were I am going and if you really want to know I am certain you can find it...
I have seen too many times when couples get refunds in excess of $10K and make less than $60K a year, a fact that goes under the radar...
The last time this happened the husband was here on a sponsorship visa and lied about his mileage, their refund was in excess of $12K before their tax preparers fee came out of it...
And if you think they are in the minority you're fooling no one but yourself...
There are a lot of facts out there that no one talks about...
if you play poker you may realize that those with more money on the table, generally have an advantage in gaining even more money.......same with an economy......
so the rich should pay more in taxes
also because history has shown that the government, no matter how much certain pols claim they want to cut...doesnt get cut.........so at least tax the rich enough so that we can pay down our debt and not become like greece.
This is a rhetorical question, you do realize we who do pay taxes cut refunds to individuals who don't pay a dime?
If you want to balance the budget realize this is one of the problems, tell me what the percentage and amount is of non tax paying citizens and I'll bet you lunch we can balance the budget...
I'LL TAKE THAT BET BUBS
BOTTOM 50% OF US MAKE A WHOPPING 11% OF ALL US REVENUES (ABOUT THE SAME AS THE TOP 1/10TH OF 1% OF US)
They average LESS than $15,000 PER FAMILY IF THEY HAD THE SAME SHARE OF INCOME THEY HAD PRE REAGANOMICS (1980) THEY WOULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ALMOST $5,000 PER FAMILY!
So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:
WHO WILL BALANCE THE BUDGET? THE BOTTOM HALF OF US MAKING LES THAN $15,000 PER FAMILY? LOL
The one tax graph you really need to know
Tax data here:
Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data
Do you even read the shit you post?
From your link...
Top 50 Percent of All Taxpayers Paid 97.2 Percent of All Federal Income Taxes; Top 1 Percent Paid 38.1 Percent; and Bottom 90 Percent Paid 29.7 Percent of All Federal Income Taxes
Oh right sorry, I forgot in right wing world, 25% of ALL Gov't taxation and 46% of federal revenues. INCOME taxes is ALL that matters
Top 50% of taxpayers TOOK almost 89% of ALL income dummy!
TOP 10% MADE NEARLY 60% OF INCOME, HOW MUCH SHOULD THE BOTTOM 90% PAY?? LOL
if you play poker you may realize that those with more money on the table, generally have an advantage in gaining even more money.......same with an economy......
so the rich should pay more in taxes
also because history has shown that the government, no matter how much certain pols claim they want to cut...doesnt get cut.........so at least tax the rich enough so that we can pay down our debt and not become like greece.
This is a rhetorical question, you do realize we who do pay taxes cut refunds to individuals who don't pay a dime?
If you want to balance the budget realize this is one of the problems, tell me what the percentage and amount is of non tax paying citizens and I'll bet you lunch we can balance the budget...
not sure where your going with this...the least wealthy often dont make enough to pay INCOME taxes...but taxing them more would be foolish since you cant squeeze blood from a turnip as they say.
Well the truth is were I am going and if you really want to know I am certain you can find it...
I have seen too many times when couples get refunds in excess of $10K and make less than $60K a year, a fact that goes under the radar...
The last time this happened the husband was here on a sponsorship visa and lied about his mileage, their refund was in excess of $12K before their tax preparers fee came out of it...
And if you think they are in the minority you're fooling no one but yourself...
There are a lot of facts out there that no one talks about...
LOL
More "welfare queen" BS from the right
if you play poker you may realize that those with more money on the table, generally have an advantage in gaining even more money.......same with an economy......
so the rich should pay more in taxes
also because history has shown that the government, no matter how much certain pols claim they want to cut...doesnt get cut.........so at least tax the rich enough so that we can pay down our debt and not become like greece.
This is a rhetorical question, you do realize we who do pay taxes cut refunds to individuals who don't pay a dime?
If you want to balance the budget realize this is one of the problems, tell me what the percentage and amount is of non tax paying citizens and I'll bet you lunch we can balance the budget...
not sure where your going with this...the least wealthy often dont make enough to pay INCOME taxes...but taxing them more would be foolish since you cant squeeze blood from a turnip as they say.
What he's trying to point out, is that those at the lowest end, have a negative income tax rate. Not only are they not contributing to the upkeep of this country in taxes, but they are actually getting money back.
Now this is one of those "Depending on your perspective" type arguments.
If you count Social Security as a tax, then no one avoids paying tax.
But then you would have to conclude that Social Security is one of the most horrific anti-poor taxes on the planet.
However, if you do not count Socialist Insecurity as a tax, then there are tons of people who get money BACK from the government.
They have a negative income tax rate. They actually get more money from the government in refunds, than they have withheld in taxes.
His point is that we could balance the budget much easier, if we simply had everyone paying the minimum tax.
Or at the very least, if we were not paying people back, more money than they have withheld.
Having a tax rate of ZERO, would be a step above, a negative rate.
Very true story, check it out...
Yes since the bottom HALF OF AMERICANS made 11% of ALL US income a drop from 18% plus pre Reagan!
TRUE STORY!
Only morons and liars conflate capital gain taxes with personal income taxes. Are you a moron or a liar.That's a lie. He pays more and a larger percentage.Did you know that Warren Buffet(who pays less taxes than his secretary)
He pays a smaller percentage not less...
I think he would know...
Buffett says he's still paying lower tax rate than his secretary
Warren Buffett says even though he and other top earners are paying higher taxes this year, he thinks he's still paying a lower rate than his secretary.
In 2013, capital gains for those earning more than $400,000 ($450,000 for couples) will be taxed at 20%, up from 15%. And high-income households also will pay an additional 3.8% in Medicare taxes on their investment income for the first time. The top marginal tax rate also rose for the wealthiest wage earners, but since Buffett's income is from investment gains, not wages, that's not a factor.
if you play poker you may realize that those with more money on the table, generally have an advantage in gaining even more money.......same with an economy......
so the rich should pay more in taxes
also because history has shown that the government, no matter how much certain pols claim they want to cut...doesnt get cut.........so at least tax the rich enough so that we can pay down our debt and not become like greece.
This is a rhetorical question, you do realize we who do pay taxes cut refunds to individuals who don't pay a dime?
If you want to balance the budget realize this is one of the problems, tell me what the percentage and amount is of non tax paying citizens and I'll bet you lunch we can balance the budget...
I'LL TAKE THAT BET BUBS
BOTTOM 50% OF US MAKE A WHOPPING 11% OF ALL US REVENUES (ABOUT THE SAME AS THE TOP 1/10TH OF 1% OF US)
They average LESS than $15,000 PER FAMILY IF THEY HAD THE SAME SHARE OF INCOME THEY HAD PRE REAGANOMICS (1980) THEY WOULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ALMOST $5,000 PER FAMILY!
So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:
WHO WILL BALANCE THE BUDGET? THE BOTTOM HALF OF US MAKING LES THAN $15,000 PER FAMILY? LOL
The one tax graph you really need to know
Tax data here:
Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data
Do you even read the shit you post?
From your link...
Top 50 Percent of All Taxpayers Paid 97.2 Percent of All Federal Income Taxes; Top 1 Percent Paid 38.1 Percent; and Bottom 90 Percent Paid 29.7 Percent of All Federal Income Taxes
Oh right sorry, I forgot in right wing world, 25% of ALL Gov't taxation and 46% of federal revenues. INCOME taxes is ALL that matters
Top 50% of taxpayers TOOK almost 89% of ALL income dummy!
TOP 10% MADE NEARLY 60% OF INCOME, HOW MUCH SHOULD THE BOTTOM 90% PAY?? LOL
You clearly want to live in a Socialist Society, you're in the wrong country, you're too stupid to understand the benefits in front of you...
Get up off your LAZY F'ING ASS and EARN IT!!!
And don't come back here with your bullshit f'ing excuses...
if you play poker you may realize that those with more money on the table, generally have an advantage in gaining even more money.......same with an economy......
so the rich should pay more in taxes
also because history has shown that the government, no matter how much certain pols claim they want to cut...doesnt get cut.........so at least tax the rich enough so that we can pay down our debt and not become like greece.
This is a rhetorical question, you do realize we who do pay taxes cut refunds to individuals who don't pay a dime?
If you want to balance the budget realize this is one of the problems, tell me what the percentage and amount is of non tax paying citizens and I'll bet you lunch we can balance the budget...
not sure where your going with this...the least wealthy often dont make enough to pay INCOME taxes...but taxing them more would be foolish since you cant squeeze blood from a turnip as they say.
Well the truth is were I am going and if you really want to know I am certain you can find it...
I have seen too many times when couples get refunds in excess of $10K and make less than $60K a year, a fact that goes under the radar...
The last time this happened the husband was here on a sponsorship visa and lied about his mileage, their refund was in excess of $12K before their tax preparers fee came out of it...
And if you think they are in the minority you're fooling no one but yourself...
There are a lot of facts out there that no one talks about...
LOL
More "welfare queen" BS from the right
You have no clue...
You produce all this BS but you don't even read it?
This is a rhetorical question, you do realize we who do pay taxes cut refunds to individuals who don't pay a dime?
If you want to balance the budget realize this is one of the problems, tell me what the percentage and amount is of non tax paying citizens and I'll bet you lunch we can balance the budget...
not sure where your going with this...the least wealthy often dont make enough to pay INCOME taxes...but taxing them more would be foolish since you cant squeeze blood from a turnip as they say.
What he's trying to point out, is that those at the lowest end, have a negative income tax rate. Not only are they not contributing to the upkeep of this country in taxes, but they are actually getting money back.
Now this is one of those "Depending on your perspective" type arguments.
If you count Social Security as a tax, then no one avoids paying tax.
But then you would have to conclude that Social Security is one of the most horrific anti-poor taxes on the planet.
However, if you do not count Socialist Insecurity as a tax, then there are tons of people who get money BACK from the government.
They have a negative income tax rate. They actually get more money from the government in refunds, than they have withheld in taxes.
His point is that we could balance the budget much easier, if we simply had everyone paying the minimum tax.
Or at the very least, if we were not paying people back, more money than they have withheld.
Having a tax rate of ZERO, would be a step above, a negative rate.
Very true story, check it out...
Yes since the bottom HALF OF AMERICANS made 11% of ALL US income a drop from 18% plus pre Reagan!
TRUE STORY!
Yes we created a welfare class due to the Liberal Left aren't you proud?
if you play poker you may realize that those with more money on the table, generally have an advantage in gaining even more money.......same with an economy......
so the rich should pay more in taxes
also because history has shown that the government, no matter how much certain pols claim they want to cut...doesnt get cut.........so at least tax the rich enough so that we can pay down our debt and not become like greece.
This is a rhetorical question, you do realize we who do pay taxes cut refunds to individuals who don't pay a dime?
If you want to balance the budget realize this is one of the problems, tell me what the percentage and amount is of non tax paying citizens and I'll bet you lunch we can balance the budget...
not sure where your going with this...the least wealthy often dont make enough to pay INCOME taxes...but taxing them more would be foolish since you cant squeeze blood from a turnip as they say.
Well the truth is were I am going and if you really want to know I am certain you can find it...
I have seen too many times when couples get refunds in excess of $10K and make less than $60K a year, a fact that goes under the radar...
The last time this happened the husband was here on a sponsorship visa and lied about his mileage, their refund was in excess of $12K before their tax preparers fee came out of it...
And if you think they are in the minority you're fooling no one but yourself...
There are a lot of facts out there that no one talks about...
THe IRS needs more enforcement personnel if that kind of thing isnt getting caught, but folks generally on the Republican side of the aisle usually vote to gut IRS funding...which makes cheating easier.
Only morons and liars conflate capital gain taxes with personal income taxes. Are you a moron or a liar.That's a lie. He pays more and a larger percentage.Did you know that Warren Buffet(who pays less taxes than his secretary)
He pays a smaller percentage not less...
I think he would know...
Buffett says he's still paying lower tax rate than his secretary
Warren Buffett says even though he and other top earners are paying higher taxes this year, he thinks he's still paying a lower rate than his secretary.
In 2013, capital gains for those earning more than $400,000 ($450,000 for couples) will be taxed at 20%, up from 15%. And high-income households also will pay an additional 3.8% in Medicare taxes on their investment income for the first time. The top marginal tax rate also rose for the wealthiest wage earners, but since Buffett's income is from investment gains, not wages, that's not a factor.
So which one are you moron or liar?
These are the facts and BTW it is the law...
Do you want to live in a country that double, triple, quadruple taxes you?
You need to figure out what our founders intentions where before you stick your foot in your mouth with me...
This is a rhetorical question, you do realize we who do pay taxes cut refunds to individuals who don't pay a dime?
If you want to balance the budget realize this is one of the problems, tell me what the percentage and amount is of non tax paying citizens and I'll bet you lunch we can balance the budget...
I'LL TAKE THAT BET BUBS
BOTTOM 50% OF US MAKE A WHOPPING 11% OF ALL US REVENUES (ABOUT THE SAME AS THE TOP 1/10TH OF 1% OF US)
They average LESS than $15,000 PER FAMILY IF THEY HAD THE SAME SHARE OF INCOME THEY HAD PRE REAGANOMICS (1980) THEY WOULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ALMOST $5,000 PER FAMILY!
So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:
WHO WILL BALANCE THE BUDGET? THE BOTTOM HALF OF US MAKING LES THAN $15,000 PER FAMILY? LOL
The one tax graph you really need to know
Tax data here:
Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data
Do you even read the shit you post?
From your link...
Top 50 Percent of All Taxpayers Paid 97.2 Percent of All Federal Income Taxes; Top 1 Percent Paid 38.1 Percent; and Bottom 90 Percent Paid 29.7 Percent of All Federal Income Taxes
Oh right sorry, I forgot in right wing world, 25% of ALL Gov't taxation and 46% of federal revenues. INCOME taxes is ALL that matters
Top 50% of taxpayers TOOK almost 89% of ALL income dummy!
TOP 10% MADE NEARLY 60% OF INCOME, HOW MUCH SHOULD THE BOTTOM 90% PAY?? LOL
You clearly want to live in a Socialist Society, you're in the wrong country, you're too stupid to understand the benefits in front of you...
Get up off your LAZY F'ING ASS and EARN IT!!!
And don't come back here with your bullshit f'ing excuses...
Got it in right wing world, Gov't policy doesn't matter, EXCEPT if "job creators" need a tax break to "create jobs" lol
Fukkn moron
if you play poker you may realize that those with more money on the table, generally have an advantage in gaining even more money.......same with an economy......
so the rich should pay more in taxes
also because history has shown that the government, no matter how much certain pols claim they want to cut...doesnt get cut.........so at least tax the rich enough so that we can pay down our debt and not become like greece.
This is a rhetorical question, you do realize we who do pay taxes cut refunds to individuals who don't pay a dime?
If you want to balance the budget realize this is one of the problems, tell me what the percentage and amount is of non tax paying citizens and I'll bet you lunch we can balance the budget...
not sure where your going with this...the least wealthy often dont make enough to pay INCOME taxes...but taxing them more would be foolish since you cant squeeze blood from a turnip as they say.
Well the truth is were I am going and if you really want to know I am certain you can find it...
I have seen too many times when couples get refunds in excess of $10K and make less than $60K a year, a fact that goes under the radar...
The last time this happened the husband was here on a sponsorship visa and lied about his mileage, their refund was in excess of $12K before their tax preparers fee came out of it...
And if you think they are in the minority you're fooling no one but yourself...
There are a lot of facts out there that no one talks about...
THe IRS needs more enforcement personnel if that kind of thing isnt getting caught, but folks generally on the Republican side of the aisle usually vote to gut IRS funding...which makes cheating easier.
Do you honestly believe they don't know?
They issue Tax ID numbers to million's of illegal immigrant's and then tell you we don't really have a immigration problem?
The Republicans are racist, that's the real problem...
I'LL TAKE THAT BET BUBS
BOTTOM 50% OF US MAKE A WHOPPING 11% OF ALL US REVENUES (ABOUT THE SAME AS THE TOP 1/10TH OF 1% OF US)
They average LESS than $15,000 PER FAMILY IF THEY HAD THE SAME SHARE OF INCOME THEY HAD PRE REAGANOMICS (1980) THEY WOULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ALMOST $5,000 PER FAMILY!
So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:
WHO WILL BALANCE THE BUDGET? THE BOTTOM HALF OF US MAKING LES THAN $15,000 PER FAMILY? LOL
The one tax graph you really need to know
Tax data here:
Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data
Do you even read the shit you post?
From your link...
Top 50 Percent of All Taxpayers Paid 97.2 Percent of All Federal Income Taxes; Top 1 Percent Paid 38.1 Percent; and Bottom 90 Percent Paid 29.7 Percent of All Federal Income Taxes
Oh right sorry, I forgot in right wing world, 25% of ALL Gov't taxation and 46% of federal revenues. INCOME taxes is ALL that matters
Top 50% of taxpayers TOOK almost 89% of ALL income dummy!
TOP 10% MADE NEARLY 60% OF INCOME, HOW MUCH SHOULD THE BOTTOM 90% PAY?? LOL
You clearly want to live in a Socialist Society, you're in the wrong country, you're too stupid to understand the benefits in front of you...
Get up off your LAZY F'ING ASS and EARN IT!!!
And don't come back here with your bullshit f'ing excuses...
Got it in right wing world, Gov't policy doesn't matter, EXCEPT if "job creators" need a tax break to "create jobs" lol
Fukkn moron
More excuses, thanks for confirming...
Get to work...
First off. I don't want any income taxes, as they are a form of indentured servitude and I'm against corporate taxes because they are double taxation. Second, no, capital gains taxes are not the same as personal income taxes on wages, so it's not the law, and again you're either a moron or a liar which is it? As for the founders intentions... I'm pretty sure they are dead and thus did not have any intentions with regard to your apparent opinion that because capital gains taxes are slightly lower than income taxes the rich are skating by.Only morons and liars conflate capital gain taxes with personal income taxes. Are you a moron or a liar.That's a lie. He pays more and a larger percentage.Did you know that Warren Buffet(who pays less taxes than his secretary)
He pays a smaller percentage not less...
I think he would know...
Buffett says he's still paying lower tax rate than his secretary
Warren Buffett says even though he and other top earners are paying higher taxes this year, he thinks he's still paying a lower rate than his secretary.
In 2013, capital gains for those earning more than $400,000 ($450,000 for couples) will be taxed at 20%, up from 15%. And high-income households also will pay an additional 3.8% in Medicare taxes on their investment income for the first time. The top marginal tax rate also rose for the wealthiest wage earners, but since Buffett's income is from investment gains, not wages, that's not a factor.
So which one are you moron or liar?
These are the facts and BTW it is the law...
Do you want to live in a country that double, triple, quadruple taxes you?
You need to figure out what our founders intentions where before you stick your foot in your mouth with me...
My liberal university ed
First off. I don't want any income taxes, as they are a form of indentured servitude and I'm against corporate taxes because they are double taxation. Second, no, capital gains taxes are not the same as personal income taxes on wages, so it's not the law, and again you're either a moron or a liar which is it? As for the founders intentions... I'm pretty sure they are dead and thus did not have any intentions with regard to your apparent opinion that because capital gains taxes are slightly lower than income taxes the rich are skating by.Only morons and liars conflate capital gain taxes with personal income taxes. Are you a moron or a liar.That's a lie. He pays more and a larger percentage.He pays a smaller percentage not less...
I think he would know...
Buffett says he's still paying lower tax rate than his secretary
Warren Buffett says even though he and other top earners are paying higher taxes this year, he thinks he's still paying a lower rate than his secretary.
In 2013, capital gains for those earning more than $400,000 ($450,000 for couples) will be taxed at 20%, up from 15%. And high-income households also will pay an additional 3.8% in Medicare taxes on their investment income for the first time. The top marginal tax rate also rose for the wealthiest wage earners, but since Buffett's income is from investment gains, not wages, that's not a factor.
So which one are you moron or liar?
These are the facts and BTW it is the law...
Do you want to live in a country that double, triple, quadruple taxes you?
You need to figure out what our founders intentions where before you stick your foot in your mouth with me...
FYI if you don't reply to a specific post or subject no one knows what the hell you are talking about or who you are replying to.My liberal university ed
In other words "I want someone else to pay because...."
To be continued...
Unfortunately....
No. Why would I want to be double taxed first on my income then on my investments from the taxed income? Why would I want to fund government waste? Are you drunk?First off. I don't want any income taxes, as they are a form of indentured servitude and I'm against corporate taxes because they are double taxation. Second, no, capital gains taxes are not the same as personal income taxes on wages, so it's not the law, and again you're either a moron or a liar which is it? As for the founders intentions... I'm pretty sure they are dead and thus did not have any intentions with regard to your apparent opinion that because capital gains taxes are slightly lower than income taxes the rich are skating by.Only morons and liars conflate capital gain taxes with personal income taxes. Are you a moron or a liar.That's a lie. He pays more and a larger percentage.
I think he would know...
Buffett says he's still paying lower tax rate than his secretary
Warren Buffett says even though he and other top earners are paying higher taxes this year, he thinks he's still paying a lower rate than his secretary.
In 2013, capital gains for those earning more than $400,000 ($450,000 for couples) will be taxed at 20%, up from 15%. And high-income households also will pay an additional 3.8% in Medicare taxes on their investment income for the first time. The top marginal tax rate also rose for the wealthiest wage earners, but since Buffett's income is from investment gains, not wages, that's not a factor.
So which one are you moron or liar?
These are the facts and BTW it is the law...
Do you want to live in a country that double, triple, quadruple taxes you?
You need to figure out what our founders intentions where before you stick your foot in your mouth with me...
So you want to invest your hard earned dollars that have already been taxed and have them taxed on a personal income tax level?
Not me, you keep funding the govt waste, I'm not interested...