So it looks like the armchair warriors are back.

[Correll]

It's been weird, watching the same people who made excuses for the wars Bush got us into, turn into anti-neocon doves when Trump came down the escalator.

How could these people have turned on a dime like that?

But now, Trump blows up a bad guy and they're back at full force. Welcome back, we missed ya! But could you at least make up your mind, one way or the other?
.

I don't want another war. But the guy was in a war zone, in a country he was directing hostile military operations against, and directing operations AGAINST US, killing our people.


He was a completely valid target.


If Iran chooses to pretend that their people engaging in warfare against us, are somehow supposed to be safe while doing so, that is their choice, to be insane.

He was a completely valid target.

Sure. He's been a valid target for years.
That in no way makes hitting him a smart thing to do.

Thank you for admitting he was a valid target.


Smart? If Iran is waging war on US, and their response to US fighting back is to be shocked and angry that we fight back, they are the ones being stupid.

 

[Kosh]

Well, you had a high level Iranian Military leader inside of Iraq, so, there is that to consider.


But yes, I guess I am just accepting the information that he was a director. YOu got any evidence that he was just an innocent tourist?

He most certainly had as much right to be there as we do.

We are there as allies of the nation of Iraq. He was there as an enemy of Iraq.


So, that is not true.

And Iraq wants us to leave because.....?

Iraq wanted the US to leave under Obama, until they didn't.

Yeah, I don't think Iraq wants to be the playing field for our skirmishes with Iran and Iran probably has more influence in Iraq than we do.

Yes the far left often thinks incorrectly!

Iran proxies had been attacking the US in Iraq for years, before this!

 

[Correll]

He was a completely valid target.

So are many others

but that's not really the point

why 'take the shot' would be closer....

~S~

Then I am not getting the point. We are supposed to let the Iranians wage war against our people and not fight back?

Then I am not getting the point. We are supposed to let the Iranians wage war against our people and not fight back

It's curious that the Iranians weren't "waging war against our people" until Trump backed out of the deal and reinstated sanctions. No?

Trump alone owns this cluster fuck that is now the ME.

Can you support your claim that the Iranians were not waging war on US, prior to that point in time?

 

[HappyJoy]

He most certainly had as much right to be there as we do.

We are there as allies of the nation of Iraq. He was there as an enemy of Iraq.


So, that is not true.

And Iraq wants us to leave because.....?

Iraq wanted the US to leave under Obama, until they didn't.

Yeah, I don't think Iraq wants to be the playing field for our skirmishes with Iran and Iran probably has more influence in Iraq than we do.

You should have stopped at "I dont think".

Whoa, deep cut. You obviously stopped at the 5th grade.

 

[B. Kidd]

Geez, I wonder how many 'cultural sites' Iran uses to launch missiles from AND also uses to mask nearby nuclear facilities?
Will we ever know or do we already know?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

You cannot, however, deny the element of tribalism that is evident in support for these actions. I know that Obama's continuation of any of Bush's policies made me think differently about Bush's decisions because I trusted Obama where I did not trust Bush. Obama's actions made me trust Bush's more.

Trump is in a different category.

Why would I deny tribalism? It's probably the most prominent feature here, aside from a ghastly lack of manners.

Now, there may be situations in which taking out a terrorist to prevent an attack is a justifiable matter self-defense. However, since we are not privy to the information leading up to the drone strike, agreeing or not with it comes down to trust. Or rather, mendacity, as we see right now when they were obviously lying about the murder of Soleimani and the "imminent attack" they were not actually preventing.

That said, I understand the political perils of an allegedly underutilized tool, like drones, in the form of "he let that bad guy go" in case that bad guy launches an attack thereafter. That, I am convinced, had President Obama running scared, and overutilize drones. Hence my general rejection of his policies in this respect, and that's while he was in an entirely different universe as concerns trustworthiness.

They won't even inform the senate as to the reasons why.

Another far left lie!

White House informs Congress of Soleimani strike, Trump warns U.S. will hit Iran if attacked

Another far left lie!

Another ill informed poster.

Iran Intelligence Briefing Divides Senate Republicans | National Review

"A classified briefing on the intelligence behind Qasem Soleimani’s killing left Senate Republicans divided Wednesday, with Mike Lee and Ron Paul excoriating the assessment while Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio praised the intel.

Lee called the meeting “probably the worst briefing I’ve seen, at least on a military issues, in the nine years I’ve served in the United States Senate,” and while he commended Trump for showing “a lot of restraint” in the Soleimani affair, he added that he wanted to speak to the president directly about the lack of clarity in the assessment.
“I went in there hoping to get more specifics as far as the factual, legal, moral justification for what they did,” Lee said. “I’m still undecided on that issue, in part because we never got to the details.”

“It is not acceptable for officials within the executive branch of government — I don’t care whether they’re with the CIA, with the Department of Defense, or otherwise — to come in and tell us that we can’t debate and discuss the appropriateness of military intervention against Iran. It’s un-American. It’s unconstitutional. And it’s wrong. And I hope and expect that they will show more deference to their limited power in the future.”

Yes I know it is strange that people in their own party would have different opinions.

It is not like the far left, the GOP will question their own, the far left will not!

Thanks for pointing that out!

The only thing I pointed out was your lie.
The admin did not give the requested details.

 

[Kosh]

We are there as allies of the nation of Iraq. He was there as an enemy of Iraq.


So, that is not true.

And Iraq wants us to leave because.....?

Iraq wanted the US to leave under Obama, until they didn't.

Yeah, I don't think Iraq wants to be the playing field for our skirmishes with Iran and Iran probably has more influence in Iraq than we do.

You should have stopped at "I dont think".

Whoa, deep cut. You obviously stopped at the 5th grade.

Still 5 grades above anyone on the far left!

 

[Kosh]

Why would I deny tribalism? It's probably the most prominent feature here, aside from a ghastly lack of manners.

Now, there may be situations in which taking out a terrorist to prevent an attack is a justifiable matter self-defense. However, since we are not privy to the information leading up to the drone strike, agreeing or not with it comes down to trust. Or rather, mendacity, as we see right now when they were obviously lying about the murder of Soleimani and the "imminent attack" they were not actually preventing.

That said, I understand the political perils of an allegedly underutilized tool, like drones, in the form of "he let that bad guy go" in case that bad guy launches an attack thereafter. That, I am convinced, had President Obama running scared, and overutilize drones. Hence my general rejection of his policies in this respect, and that's while he was in an entirely different universe as concerns trustworthiness.

They won't even inform the senate as to the reasons why.

Another far left lie!

White House informs Congress of Soleimani strike, Trump warns U.S. will hit Iran if attacked

Another far left lie!

Another ill informed poster.

Iran Intelligence Briefing Divides Senate Republicans | National Review

"A classified briefing on the intelligence behind Qasem Soleimani’s killing left Senate Republicans divided Wednesday, with Mike Lee and Ron Paul excoriating the assessment while Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio praised the intel.

Lee called the meeting “probably the worst briefing I’ve seen, at least on a military issues, in the nine years I’ve served in the United States Senate,” and while he commended Trump for showing “a lot of restraint” in the Soleimani affair, he added that he wanted to speak to the president directly about the lack of clarity in the assessment.
“I went in there hoping to get more specifics as far as the factual, legal, moral justification for what they did,” Lee said. “I’m still undecided on that issue, in part because we never got to the details.”

“It is not acceptable for officials within the executive branch of government — I don’t care whether they’re with the CIA, with the Department of Defense, or otherwise — to come in and tell us that we can’t debate and discuss the appropriateness of military intervention against Iran. It’s un-American. It’s unconstitutional. And it’s wrong. And I hope and expect that they will show more deference to their limited power in the future.”

Yes I know it is strange that people in their own party would have different opinions.

It is not like the far left, the GOP will question their own, the far left will not!

Thanks for pointing that out!

The only thing I pointed out was your lie.

Nope! I led you to showing the GOP will question their own, unlike the far left which will never do that!

The only lie here is that any strikes are unconstitutional after the Obama years!

 

[Correll]

Well, one of the problems, but yes.


But leaving them out there to be killed and then whining when they fight back?

NO.

When you do stupid things, bad things will happen. It's sad that the bad things are happening to those who are simply doing as they are told and not to those directing the stupid things be done but we have a thread on that already.

Well, this guy was apparently one of the ones that directed people to do stupid things, so, there is that.


Should make you feel better.

As long as we accept that as the standard. If it happens to one of our idiots and we all are happy, then fine.

Define the standard.

Someone that directs people to do stupid things. We have a long list of people that meet that description.

He was not a valid target because of being stupid, or doing stupid things, but because of being an enemy in a war zone.

And yes, I am prepared to accept that standard of waging war, ie combatants in a war zone are valid targets.


The world would be a fantastic place if our enemies would start to conform to such a standard.



They won't of course. YOu know that, right?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It's been weird, watching the same people who made excuses for the wars Bush got us into, turn into anti-neocon doves when Trump came down the escalator.

How could these people have turned on a dime like that?

But now, Trump blows up a bad guy and they're back at full force. Welcome back, we missed ya! But could you at least make up your mind, one way or the other?
.

it's funny how it works obama used drones 2200 times killing civilians and not a peep even from congress. Trump takes out a leader of all terrorist and all hell breaks loose from the left and congress.

 

[HappyJoy]

And Iraq wants us to leave because.....?

Iraq wanted the US to leave under Obama, until they didn't.

Yeah, I don't think Iraq wants to be the playing field for our skirmishes with Iran and Iran probably has more influence in Iraq than we do.

You should have stopped at "I dont think".

Whoa, deep cut. You obviously stopped at the 5th grade.

Still 5 grades above anyone on the far left!

OMG, is it completely beyond your ability to be original?

 

[pknopp]

When you do stupid things, bad things will happen. It's sad that the bad things are happening to those who are simply doing as they are told and not to those directing the stupid things be done but we have a thread on that already.

Well, this guy was apparently one of the ones that directed people to do stupid things, so, there is that.


Should make you feel better.

As long as we accept that as the standard. If it happens to one of our idiots and we all are happy, then fine.

Define the standard.

Someone that directs people to do stupid things. We have a long list of people that meet that description.

He was not a valid target because of being stupid, or doing stupid things, but because of being an enemy in a war zone.

And yes, I am prepared to accept that standard of waging war, ie combatants in a war zone are valid targets.


The world would be a fantastic place if our enemies would start to conform to such a standard.



They won't of course. YOu know that, right?

They can't. The people making the stupid decisions are too cowardly to go to the war zones themselves. Many of them even came up with all kinds of excuses to avoid service themselves.

 

[Correll]

If we have a nation that thinks that they can kill our soldiers and fully expect to be allowed to do so, in safety and comfort and they fully plan to do so,


then we are already at war. The only question is, do we fight back or just die like sheep.

Oddly you exclude the correct option. Bring them home.

No, you did. I've been for that for quite some time.


But if they are going to be there, then let them fight back against those killing them.

No..........stop the fighting.

Let them stay there, be killed but let those directing the killing be safe, fat and happy, while they gloat over the deaths of our men?

Fuck no.

A lot of men in a 5 sided building in D.C. are doing just that.

You show me someone in the Pentagon that is gloating over the deaths of our men, and we can talk about appropriate actions to take.

 

[DOTR]

It's been weird, watching the same people who made excuses for the wars Bush got us into, turn into anti-neocon doves when Trump came down the escalator.

How could these people have turned on a dime like that?

But now, Trump blows up a bad guy and they're back at full force. Welcome back, we missed ya! But could you at least make up your mind, one way or the other?
.

I never missed them. I saw enough of them when they were demanding American troops to defend the terrorist Kurds.

 

[B. Kidd]

My armchair is very, very comfortable and enables me to see clearly!

"I can see clearly now, the rain is gone....".

 

[Kosh]

Iraq wanted the US to leave under Obama, until they didn't.

Yeah, I don't think Iraq wants to be the playing field for our skirmishes with Iran and Iran probably has more influence in Iraq than we do.

You should have stopped at "I dont think".

Whoa, deep cut. You obviously stopped at the 5th grade.

Still 5 grades above anyone on the far left!

OMG, is it completely beyond your ability to be original?

Oh my the far left once again shows they are irony impaired!

Thanks for proving my comments!

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It's been weird, watching the same people who made excuses for the wars Bush got us into, turn into anti-neocon doves when Trump came down the escalator.

How could these people have turned on a dime like that?

But now, Trump blows up a bad guy and they're back at full force. Welcome back, we missed ya! But could you at least make up your mind, one way or the other?
.

I don't want another war. But the guy was in a war zone, in a country he was directing hostile military operations against, and directing operations AGAINST US, killing our people.


He was a completely valid target.


If Iran chooses to pretend that their people engaging in warfare against us, are somehow supposed to be safe while doing so, that is their choice, to be insane.

He was a completely valid target.

Sure. He's been a valid target for years.
That in no way makes hitting him a smart thing to do.

Thank you for admitting he was a valid target.


Smart? If Iran is waging war on US, and their response to US fighting back is to be shocked and angry that we fight back, they are the ones being stupid.

All Trump's own doing. They only started the attacks after Trump pulled out of the deal and reinstated sanctions.

Smart?

 

[Correll]

I don't care whether he was planning on killing Americans and Iraqis tomorrow, or next week, or next month.


He was planning on killing us. Indeed, if he was a director of operations, then he WAS killing us, the entire time he was there, and planning on continuing to do so.


Your point, such as it is, is utterly irrelevant.

& when you can't afford gassing up yer car, you'll care. not that our men & woman coming home in body bags though. how do you KNOW he was planning on killing us? what intel are you privvy to that the rest of us thinking bipeds don't know?

will you swallow everything you are told because donny said it without evidense? lol - but of course you will. that's what they count on.

Well, you had a high level Iranian Military leader inside of Iraq, so, there is that to consider.


But yes, I guess I am just accepting the information that he was a director. YOu got any evidence that he was just an innocent tourist?

He most certainly had as much right to be there as we do.

We are there as allies of the nation of Iraq. He was there as an enemy of Iraq.


So, that is not true.

Funny how they voted us out.

Muslims are very fucked up. Their actions do not always make sense.


If they thought that we were there, taking casualties because people are waging war against US, and they expected us to just take that and not wage war back,


then someone seriously misinformed them about Americans.

 

[HappyJoy]

For starters you don't know how the money was spent.

Secondly, we've never had Iran directly attack the United States since 1979. We didn't have an Iran pulling out of the deal and now ready to start that nuclear program again until Trump.

The 'far left' that you repeat like a brain addled parrot also stretches to other countries that agreed to this deal, an agreement among countries about Iran that we may never see again. Iran, thanks to Bush and now Trump is only going to end up stronger after we leave Iraq. Russia has got to be loving this shit.

Yes you have been outed as far left, but if you choose to ignore it, that is on you.

Case and effect tells the story, but you have to be willing to see beyond the far left religious dogma!

Iran has wanted to build a nuke, no matter of any "deal". All the deal did was prolong it, did not stop it. But the far left will always ignore such facts!

Iran breaks nuclear deal enrichment targets for second time

But then again as you see the EU is not doing anything to stop it, since they are part of that deal as well.

Do you not read your own links? That happened a year after Trump pulled out of the deal.

Oh my the far left is at it again!

They think the deal is only about the US!

What difference did it make? The deal was only with the US?

Iran makes threats all the time! They want sanctions removed before complying, only the far left does not see it!

The deal never stopped Iran from making Nukes, just prolonged it. It is going to happen anyway

The deal was kind of worthless without us.

The deal was worthless to begin with, that is what the far left does not understand!

It was working until Trump threw in the towel and it's one of many reasons other countries don't like and more importantly trust him. I just hope his shitty reputation hasn't permanently stained ours.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

He was a completely valid target.

So are many others

but that's not really the point

why 'take the shot' would be closer....

~S~

Then I am not getting the point. We are supposed to let the Iranians wage war against our people and not fight back?

Then I am not getting the point. We are supposed to let the Iranians wage war against our people and not fight back

It's curious that the Iranians weren't "waging war against our people" until Trump backed out of the deal and reinstated sanctions. No?

Trump alone owns this cluster fuck that is now the ME.

Can you support your claim that the Iranians were not waging war on US, prior to that point in time?

Show us, professor.