So now, BUSH caused ISIS?

[NotfooledbyW]

No, I said I didn't remember it but after you went on and on about it, I did some research and I do remember it after all.

No. You said specifically that you 'never heard the story before'. You said it sounds like something liberals have fabricated. I provided a link to Fox News in post 11420054. Notice you made your 'never heard the story before' in post 11643547. Twelve years later and you still are not paying attention to anything except what you can make up about Iraq.


Boss 11643547

I don't know... You've not posted any source link to this and I never heard the story before. It sounds like something liberals have fabricated inside the vacuum of their anti-Bush blogoshpere or something. Hey, maybe it was in one of them Micheal Moore "documentaries?"


In any event, I seriously doubt the validity of the claim and IF the claim is true, I seriously doubt SH was serious or that the US declined the offer in favor of more UN inspections. Something doesn't pass the smell test here.

And you did not have to do any research. I posted this and more links later.


NF 11420054

Click to expand... Saddam Extends Invite to CIA Fox News

Its all in writing. You can't edit out what you write Boss?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

flacaltenn 11610236 PAGE 33

THEY ALL SUCK AT IT.....

This thread has show-cased some very interesting political viewpoints. The "they all suck at it" declaration has to be one of the most self-defeating attitudes if what one is truly interested in finding a way to have meaningful and operational politics and governing in this great country of ours once again. Believing in "they all suck at it" is just another way of saying that 'no one sucks at it" which leads to nowhere. Some suck at it much, much more than others. That was what I thought this thread was about. Those who wish to claim that Obama 'sucks at it' more than any other President ought to be aware of the fact that in order to say such a thing, other Presidents need to be brought into the conversation for any kind of meaningful comparison or discussion to be able to happen. Why does comparison between two Presidents on one major foreign policy topic annoy and scare off so many conservatives?

 

[edthecynic]

Considering that the group now known as IS actually started in 1999, not sure how anyone can blame Bush.

“ISIS didn’t exist when my brother was president. Al Qaeda in Iraq was wiped out when my brother was president.”

– Jeb Bush (R) May 20, 2015

 

[edthecynic]

Well the Ba'ath Party are Arab Socialists. Ba'athism calls for unification of the Arab world into a single state. This is clearly not in accordance with our official and legal US foreign policy from 1998. So you are suggesting we should have toppled Saddam and then allowed Pan-Arab socialists to control it?

The ones I want to kill are the radical religious nuts who think they have to kill us all to get their virgins in heaven. As I've said, I am close personal friends with several Iraqi people and they're on my side. They want a free and democratic Iraq where women are allowed to vote and get an education.

I don't think Pan-Arab Socialists are interested in giving rights to women... I could be wrong.

You always are!

From your favorite source, Wiki:
A Ba'athist state supports socialist economics to a varying degree, and supports public ownership over the heights of the economy but opposes the confiscation of private property. Socialism in Ba'athist ideology does not mean state socialism or economic equality, but modernisation; Ba'athists believe that socialism is the only way to develop an Arab society which is truly free and united.

 

[Kosh]

Considering that the group now known as IS actually started in 1999, not sure how anyone can blame Bush.

“ISIS didn’t exist when my brother was president. Al Qaeda in Iraq was wiped out when my brother was president.”

– Jeb Bush (R) May 20, 2015

Yes we know that the far left does not want to accept any blame, when Obama cut and run to appease the smallest factions of the party..

Just goes to show that the far left wants more bloodshed and death and they love it..

 

[Kosh]

Well the Ba'ath Party are Arab Socialists. Ba'athism calls for unification of the Arab world into a single state. This is clearly not in accordance with our official and legal US foreign policy from 1998. So you are suggesting we should have toppled Saddam and then allowed Pan-Arab socialists to control it?

The ones I want to kill are the radical religious nuts who think they have to kill us all to get their virgins in heaven. As I've said, I am close personal friends with several Iraqi people and they're on my side. They want a free and democratic Iraq where women are allowed to vote and get an education.

I don't think Pan-Arab Socialists are interested in giving rights to women... I could be wrong.

You always are!

From your favorite source, Wiki:
A Ba'athist state supports socialist economics to a varying degree, and supports public ownership over the heights of the economy but opposes the confiscation of private property. Socialism in Ba'athist ideology does not mean state socialism or economic equality, but modernisation; Ba'athists believe that socialism is the only way to develop an Arab society which is truly free and united.

Yes the far left had more in common with Saddam his party as they do with the bulk of America..

 

[Vigilante]

He should know!

Leon Panetta: Obama Policies Created ISIS
Panetta's comments echo those written in the Obama administration memoirs of Hillary Clinton, and that of his predecessor at Defense Bob Gates.

Leon Panetta Obama Policies Created ISIS Truth Revolt

 

[edthecynic]

You'll never convince me otherwise.

The only true thing you've ever posted!

 

[frigidweirdo]

Considering that the group now known as IS actually started in 1999, not sure how anyone can blame Bush.

“ISIS didn’t exist when my brother was president. Al Qaeda in Iraq was wiped out when my brother was president.”

– Jeb Bush (R) May 20, 2015

Yeah, vote a guy for president because he uses single facts badly to make a point.

Actually ISIS did exist when his brother was president, it just wasn't called ISIS.


Jama'at al-Tawhid was founded in 1999. Run by a certain Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

In 2004 it pledged allegiance to ibn Laden and changed its name to Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn.It became known as al Qaeda in Iraq.

This joined up with other smaller insurgency groups in 2006 to form the Mujahideen Shura Council.

In 2006 the US killed al-Zarqawi but replaced by Abu Ayyub al-Masri.

US "intelligence" agencies believed in 2007 (when Dubya was still in power) that this group was attempting to make ISI, the Islamic State in Iraq. In this year the US has a "surge", more troops etc and ISI or AQI suffered quite a bit and couldn't achieve their aims.

So, essentially the group existed, what didn't exist were the conditions to have ISIS in place. Mainly because ISIS involves Syria and it took until 2011 for the destabilization of the region to spread enough to Syria to cause opposition to Assad. However the makings of ISIS came about firstly in Afghanistan but mainly in Iraq.

Now, the destabilization of Iraq started in 2003, and Bush was clearly President and clearly one of the main people involved in invading the country and definitely one of the main reasons why the post war period was such chaos.

So, Jeb Bush is showing his willingness to ignore history. He should just come out and say his brother's a complete moron, but then I guess Christmas lunch would be rather uncomfortable.

 

[Kosh]

Considering that the group now known as IS actually started in 1999, not sure how anyone can blame Bush.

“ISIS didn’t exist when my brother was president. Al Qaeda in Iraq was wiped out when my brother was president.”

– Jeb Bush (R) May 20, 2015

Yeah, vote a guy for president because he uses single facts badly to make a point.

Actually ISIS did exist when his brother was president, it just wasn't called ISIS.


Jama'at al-Tawhid was founded in 1999. Run by a certain Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

In 2004 it pledged allegiance to ibn Laden and changed its name to Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn.It became known as al Qaeda in Iraq.

This joined up with other smaller insurgency groups in 2006 to form the Mujahideen Shura Council.

In 2006 the US killed al-Zarqawi but replaced by Abu Ayyub al-Masri.

US "intelligence" agencies believed in 2007 (when Dubya was still in power) that this group was attempting to make ISI, the Islamic State in Iraq. In this year the US has a "surge", more troops etc and ISI or AQI suffered quite a bit and couldn't achieve their aims.

So, essentially the group existed, what didn't exist were the conditions to have ISIS in place. Mainly because ISIS involves Syria and it took until 2011 for the destabilization of the region to spread enough to Syria to cause opposition to Assad. However the makings of ISIS came about firstly in Afghanistan but mainly in Iraq.

Now, the destabilization of Iraq started in 2003, and Bush was clearly President and clearly one of the main people involved in invading the country and definitely one of the main reasons why the post war period was such chaos.

So, Jeb Bush is showing his willingness to ignore history. He should just come out and say his brother's a complete moron, but then I guess Christmas lunch would be rather uncomfortable.

Yes ISIS was created in 1999 long before Bush became president, but the far left will do all they can to deny the facts so they can blame Bush!..

The group was founded in 1999 by Jordanian radical Abu Musab al-Zarqawi as Jamāʻat al-Tawḥīd wa-al-Jihād, "The Organisation of Monotheism and Jihad" (JTJ).[
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

However ISIS did not thrive like they have until Obama cut and run, but hey far left drones will deny that fact..

 

[Kosh]

You'll never convince me otherwise.

The only true thing you've ever posted!

Yes because the group known as ISIS now started in 1999. And was allowed to flourish under Obama's cut and run policies..

 

[edthecynic]

Well the Ba'ath Party are Arab Socialists. Ba'athism calls for unification of the Arab world into a single state. This is clearly not in accordance with our official and legal US foreign policy from 1998. So you are suggesting we should have toppled Saddam and then allowed Pan-Arab socialists to control it?

The ones I want to kill are the radical religious nuts who think they have to kill us all to get their virgins in heaven. As I've said, I am close personal friends with several Iraqi people and they're on my side. They want a free and democratic Iraq where women are allowed to vote and get an education.

I don't think Pan-Arab Socialists are interested in giving rights to women... I could be wrong.

You always are!

From your favorite source, Wiki:
A Ba'athist state supports socialist economics to a varying degree, and supports public ownership over the heights of the economy but opposes the confiscation of private property. Socialism in Ba'athist ideology does not mean state socialism or economic equality, but modernisation; Ba'athists believe that socialism is the only way to develop an Arab society which is truly free and united.

Yes the far left had more in common with Saddam his party as they do with the bulk of America..

Bullshit!

 

[Kosh]

Well the Ba'ath Party are Arab Socialists. Ba'athism calls for unification of the Arab world into a single state. This is clearly not in accordance with our official and legal US foreign policy from 1998. So you are suggesting we should have toppled Saddam and then allowed Pan-Arab socialists to control it?

The ones I want to kill are the radical religious nuts who think they have to kill us all to get their virgins in heaven. As I've said, I am close personal friends with several Iraqi people and they're on my side. They want a free and democratic Iraq where women are allowed to vote and get an education.

I don't think Pan-Arab Socialists are interested in giving rights to women... I could be wrong.

You always are!

From your favorite source, Wiki:
A Ba'athist state supports socialist economics to a varying degree, and supports public ownership over the heights of the economy but opposes the confiscation of private property. Socialism in Ba'athist ideology does not mean state socialism or economic equality, but modernisation; Ba'athists believe that socialism is the only way to develop an Arab society which is truly free and united.

Yes the far left had more in common with Saddam his party as they do with the bulk of America..

Bullshit!

Yes far left drone deny all you want, but you have more in common with Saddam and his party than you do with average American. Just need to learn to live with it as you cont8inue to support and vote far left. Just like you have more in common with Hitler and the Nazi's than you do with the average American..

But that is what you get when you support the far left religion..

 

[edthecynic]

Considering that the group now known as IS actually started in 1999, not sure how anyone can blame Bush.

“ISIS didn’t exist when my brother was president. Al Qaeda in Iraq was wiped out when my brother was president.”

– Jeb Bush (R) May 20, 2015

Yeah, vote a guy for president because he uses single facts badly to make a point.

Actually ISIS did exist when his brother was president, it just wasn't called ISIS.


Jama'at al-Tawhid was founded in 1999. Run by a certain Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

In 2004 it pledged allegiance to ibn Laden and changed its name to Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn.It became known as al Qaeda in Iraq.

This joined up with other smaller insurgency groups in 2006 to form the Mujahideen Shura Council.

In 2006 the US killed al-Zarqawi but replaced by Abu Ayyub al-Masri.

US "intelligence" agencies believed in 2007 (when Dubya was still in power) that this group was attempting to make ISI, the Islamic State in Iraq. In this year the US has a "surge", more troops etc and ISI or AQI suffered quite a bit and couldn't achieve their aims.

So, essentially the group existed, what didn't exist were the conditions to have ISIS in place. Mainly because ISIS involves Syria and it took until 2011 for the destabilization of the region to spread enough to Syria to cause opposition to Assad. However the makings of ISIS came about firstly in Afghanistan but mainly in Iraq.

Now, the destabilization of Iraq started in 2003, and Bush was clearly President and clearly one of the main people involved in invading the country and definitely one of the main reasons why the post war period was such chaos.

So, Jeb Bush is showing his willingness to ignore history. He should just come out and say his brother's a complete moron, but then I guess Christmas lunch would be rather uncomfortable.

Yes ISIS was created in 1999 long before Bush became president, but the far left will do all they can to deny the facts so they can blame Bush!..

The group was founded in 1999 by Jordanian radical Abu Musab al-Zarqawi as Jamāʻat al-Tawḥīd wa-al-Jihād, "The Organisation of Monotheism and Jihad" (JTJ).[
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

However ISIS did not thrive like they have until Obama cut and run, but hey far left drones will deny that fact..

It was Bush who cut and ran, as the right told us when Obama tried to take credit for the withdrawal, reminding us that Obama was just following Bush's schedule.

The Rise of bin Laden by Ahmed Rashid The New York Review of Books

A barely literate, former gang member, al-Zarqawi traveled to Afghanistan to fight against the Soviets in the 1989. Three months after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, he traveled to Sunni Muslim-dominated regions of the country. A year later, al-Zarqawi formed al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) and enacted a violent philosophy that included beheadings, mass slaughter of different sects (mainly Shiite Muslims), and attacking mosques. Al-Zarqawi was killed in June 2006 by a U.S. drone strike. In October of that same year, AQI merged with other Islamist factions to create the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI).

 

[Kosh]

Considering that the group now known as IS actually started in 1999, not sure how anyone can blame Bush.

“ISIS didn’t exist when my brother was president. Al Qaeda in Iraq was wiped out when my brother was president.”

– Jeb Bush (R) May 20, 2015

Yeah, vote a guy for president because he uses single facts badly to make a point.

Actually ISIS did exist when his brother was president, it just wasn't called ISIS.


Jama'at al-Tawhid was founded in 1999. Run by a certain Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

In 2004 it pledged allegiance to ibn Laden and changed its name to Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn.It became known as al Qaeda in Iraq.

This joined up with other smaller insurgency groups in 2006 to form the Mujahideen Shura Council.

In 2006 the US killed al-Zarqawi but replaced by Abu Ayyub al-Masri.

US "intelligence" agencies believed in 2007 (when Dubya was still in power) that this group was attempting to make ISI, the Islamic State in Iraq. In this year the US has a "surge", more troops etc and ISI or AQI suffered quite a bit and couldn't achieve their aims.

So, essentially the group existed, what didn't exist were the conditions to have ISIS in place. Mainly because ISIS involves Syria and it took until 2011 for the destabilization of the region to spread enough to Syria to cause opposition to Assad. However the makings of ISIS came about firstly in Afghanistan but mainly in Iraq.

Now, the destabilization of Iraq started in 2003, and Bush was clearly President and clearly one of the main people involved in invading the country and definitely one of the main reasons why the post war period was such chaos.

So, Jeb Bush is showing his willingness to ignore history. He should just come out and say his brother's a complete moron, but then I guess Christmas lunch would be rather uncomfortable.

Yes ISIS was created in 1999 long before Bush became president, but the far left will do all they can to deny the facts so they can blame Bush!..

The group was founded in 1999 by Jordanian radical Abu Musab al-Zarqawi as Jamāʻat al-Tawḥīd wa-al-Jihād, "The Organisation of Monotheism and Jihad" (JTJ).[
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

However ISIS did not thrive like they have until Obama cut and run, but hey far left drones will deny that fact..

It was Bush who cut and ran, as the right told us when Obama tried to take credit for the withdrawal, reminding us that Obama was just following Bush's schedule.

The Rise of bin Laden by Ahmed Rashid The New York Review of Books

A barely literate, former gang member, al-Zarqawi traveled to Afghanistan to fight against the Soviets in the 1989. Three months after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, he traveled to Sunni Muslim-dominated regions of the country. A year later, al-Zarqawi formed al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) and enacted a violent philosophy that included beheadings, mass slaughter of different sects (mainly Shiite Muslims), and attacking mosques. Al-Zarqawi was killed in June 2006 by a U.S. drone strike. In October of that same year, AQI merged with other Islamist factions to create the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI).

Yes we know you will deny the fact that Obama allowed ISIS to thrive and grow and the far left actually admires ISIS..


So see Bush kept ISIS in check, from their creation in 1999 to end of 2008. Then Obama comes in and cuts and run and now ISIS is larger than it ever has been and dwarfs the numbers that AQ ever had..

 

[edthecynic]

Well the Ba'ath Party are Arab Socialists. Ba'athism calls for unification of the Arab world into a single state. This is clearly not in accordance with our official and legal US foreign policy from 1998. So you are suggesting we should have toppled Saddam and then allowed Pan-Arab socialists to control it?

The ones I want to kill are the radical religious nuts who think they have to kill us all to get their virgins in heaven. As I've said, I am close personal friends with several Iraqi people and they're on my side. They want a free and democratic Iraq where women are allowed to vote and get an education.

I don't think Pan-Arab Socialists are interested in giving rights to women... I could be wrong.

You always are!

From your favorite source, Wiki:
A Ba'athist state supports socialist economics to a varying degree, and supports public ownership over the heights of the economy but opposes the confiscation of private property. Socialism in Ba'athist ideology does not mean state socialism or economic equality, but modernisation; Ba'athists believe that socialism is the only way to develop an Arab society which is truly free and united.

Yes the far left had more in common with Saddam his party as they do with the bulk of America..

Bullshit!

Yes far left drone deny all you want, but you have more in common with Saddam and his party than you do with average American. Just need to learn to live with it as you cont8inue to support and vote far left. Just like you have more in common with Hitler and the Nazi's than you do with the average American..

But that is what you get when you support the far left religion..

More bullshit!

 

[Kosh]

Well the Ba'ath Party are Arab Socialists. Ba'athism calls for unification of the Arab world into a single state. This is clearly not in accordance with our official and legal US foreign policy from 1998. So you are suggesting we should have toppled Saddam and then allowed Pan-Arab socialists to control it?

The ones I want to kill are the radical religious nuts who think they have to kill us all to get their virgins in heaven. As I've said, I am close personal friends with several Iraqi people and they're on my side. They want a free and democratic Iraq where women are allowed to vote and get an education.

I don't think Pan-Arab Socialists are interested in giving rights to women... I could be wrong.

You always are!

From your favorite source, Wiki:
A Ba'athist state supports socialist economics to a varying degree, and supports public ownership over the heights of the economy but opposes the confiscation of private property. Socialism in Ba'athist ideology does not mean state socialism or economic equality, but modernisation; Ba'athists believe that socialism is the only way to develop an Arab society which is truly free and united.

Yes the far left had more in common with Saddam his party as they do with the bulk of America..

Bullshit!

Yes far left drone deny all you want, but you have more in common with Saddam and his party than you do with average American. Just need to learn to live with it as you cont8inue to support and vote far left. Just like you have more in common with Hitler and the Nazi's than you do with the average American..

But that is what you get when you support the far left religion..

More bullshit!

Yes we know all the far left drone posts are, but you refuse to see the facts.

They can not own up to what they support and worship...

 

[edthecynic]

Considering that the group now known as IS actually started in 1999, not sure how anyone can blame Bush.

“ISIS didn’t exist when my brother was president. Al Qaeda in Iraq was wiped out when my brother was president.”

– Jeb Bush (R) May 20, 2015

Yeah, vote a guy for president because he uses single facts badly to make a point.

Actually ISIS did exist when his brother was president, it just wasn't called ISIS.


Jama'at al-Tawhid was founded in 1999. Run by a certain Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

In 2004 it pledged allegiance to ibn Laden and changed its name to Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn.It became known as al Qaeda in Iraq.

This joined up with other smaller insurgency groups in 2006 to form the Mujahideen Shura Council.

In 2006 the US killed al-Zarqawi but replaced by Abu Ayyub al-Masri.

US "intelligence" agencies believed in 2007 (when Dubya was still in power) that this group was attempting to make ISI, the Islamic State in Iraq. In this year the US has a "surge", more troops etc and ISI or AQI suffered quite a bit and couldn't achieve their aims.

So, essentially the group existed, what didn't exist were the conditions to have ISIS in place. Mainly because ISIS involves Syria and it took until 2011 for the destabilization of the region to spread enough to Syria to cause opposition to Assad. However the makings of ISIS came about firstly in Afghanistan but mainly in Iraq.

Now, the destabilization of Iraq started in 2003, and Bush was clearly President and clearly one of the main people involved in invading the country and definitely one of the main reasons why the post war period was such chaos.

So, Jeb Bush is showing his willingness to ignore history. He should just come out and say his brother's a complete moron, but then I guess Christmas lunch would be rather uncomfortable.

Yes ISIS was created in 1999 long before Bush became president, but the far left will do all they can to deny the facts so they can blame Bush!..

The group was founded in 1999 by Jordanian radical Abu Musab al-Zarqawi as Jamāʻat al-Tawḥīd wa-al-Jihād, "The Organisation of Monotheism and Jihad" (JTJ).[
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

However ISIS did not thrive like they have until Obama cut and run, but hey far left drones will deny that fact..

It was Bush who cut and ran, as the right told us when Obama tried to take credit for the withdrawal, reminding us that Obama was just following Bush's schedule.

The Rise of bin Laden by Ahmed Rashid The New York Review of Books

A barely literate, former gang member, al-Zarqawi traveled to Afghanistan to fight against the Soviets in the 1989. Three months after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, he traveled to Sunni Muslim-dominated regions of the country. A year later, al-Zarqawi formed al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) and enacted a violent philosophy that included beheadings, mass slaughter of different sects (mainly Shiite Muslims), and attacking mosques. Al-Zarqawi was killed in June 2006 by a U.S. drone strike. In October of that same year, AQI merged with other Islamist factions to create the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI).

Yes we know you will deny the fact that Obama allowed ISIS to thrive and grow and the far left actually admires ISIS..


So see Bush kept ISIS in check, from their creation in 1999 to end of 2008. Then Obama comes in and cuts and run and now ISIS is larger than it ever has been and dwarfs the numbers that AQ ever had..

Bush kept nothing in check, in fact he brought all the factions that make up ISIS and "schooled" them at the US run Camp Bucca.

Expelled from participation in the military and left to rot at home, many Baathists began looking for ways to insert themselves back into Iraqi political life. One of these former Baathists was Samir Abd Muhammad al-Khlifawi but better known as Haji Bakr. According to the German newspaper Der Spiegel, Haji Bakr was “the strategic head of the group calling itself ‘Islamic State’ (IS).”

Haji Bakr was also one of many figures held in the now infamous, U.S.-ran Camp Bucca that would later go on to fill the Islamic State’s positions of power. Another such figure was Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State since 2010 and its self-appointed caliph (the spiritual leader of Islam). Holding a number of dangerous militants together in a setting where they could interact and build a stronger network proved crucial to the group.

“For us it [Camp Bucca] was an academy,” a high-ranking member of the Islamic State who goes by the nom-de-guerre Abu Ahmed told the Guardian last year, “but for them” – the senior leaders – “it was a management school. There wasn’t a void at all, because so many people had been mentored in prison.”

 

[Kosh]

“ISIS didn’t exist when my brother was president. Al Qaeda in Iraq was wiped out when my brother was president.”

– Jeb Bush (R) May 20, 2015

Yeah, vote a guy for president because he uses single facts badly to make a point.

Actually ISIS did exist when his brother was president, it just wasn't called ISIS.


Jama'at al-Tawhid was founded in 1999. Run by a certain Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

In 2004 it pledged allegiance to ibn Laden and changed its name to Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn.It became known as al Qaeda in Iraq.

This joined up with other smaller insurgency groups in 2006 to form the Mujahideen Shura Council.

In 2006 the US killed al-Zarqawi but replaced by Abu Ayyub al-Masri.

US "intelligence" agencies believed in 2007 (when Dubya was still in power) that this group was attempting to make ISI, the Islamic State in Iraq. In this year the US has a "surge", more troops etc and ISI or AQI suffered quite a bit and couldn't achieve their aims.

So, essentially the group existed, what didn't exist were the conditions to have ISIS in place. Mainly because ISIS involves Syria and it took until 2011 for the destabilization of the region to spread enough to Syria to cause opposition to Assad. However the makings of ISIS came about firstly in Afghanistan but mainly in Iraq.

Now, the destabilization of Iraq started in 2003, and Bush was clearly President and clearly one of the main people involved in invading the country and definitely one of the main reasons why the post war period was such chaos.

So, Jeb Bush is showing his willingness to ignore history. He should just come out and say his brother's a complete moron, but then I guess Christmas lunch would be rather uncomfortable.

Yes ISIS was created in 1999 long before Bush became president, but the far left will do all they can to deny the facts so they can blame Bush!..

The group was founded in 1999 by Jordanian radical Abu Musab al-Zarqawi as Jamāʻat al-Tawḥīd wa-al-Jihād, "The Organisation of Monotheism and Jihad" (JTJ).[
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

However ISIS did not thrive like they have until Obama cut and run, but hey far left drones will deny that fact..

It was Bush who cut and ran, as the right told us when Obama tried to take credit for the withdrawal, reminding us that Obama was just following Bush's schedule.

The Rise of bin Laden by Ahmed Rashid The New York Review of Books

A barely literate, former gang member, al-Zarqawi traveled to Afghanistan to fight against the Soviets in the 1989. Three months after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, he traveled to Sunni Muslim-dominated regions of the country. A year later, al-Zarqawi formed al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) and enacted a violent philosophy that included beheadings, mass slaughter of different sects (mainly Shiite Muslims), and attacking mosques. Al-Zarqawi was killed in June 2006 by a U.S. drone strike. In October of that same year, AQI merged with other Islamist factions to create the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI).

Yes we know you will deny the fact that Obama allowed ISIS to thrive and grow and the far left actually admires ISIS..


So see Bush kept ISIS in check, from their creation in 1999 to end of 2008. Then Obama comes in and cuts and run and now ISIS is larger than it ever has been and dwarfs the numbers that AQ ever had..

Bush kept nothing in check, in fact he brought all the factions that make up ISIS and "schooled" them at the US run Camp Bucca.

Expelled from participation in the military and left to rot at home, many Baathists began looking for ways to insert themselves back into Iraqi political life. One of these former Baathists was Samir Abd Muhammad al-Khlifawi but better known as Haji Bakr. According to the German newspaper Der Spiegel, Haji Bakr was “the strategic head of the group calling itself ‘Islamic State’ (IS).”

Haji Bakr was also one of many figures held in the now infamous, U.S.-ran Camp Bucca that would later go on to fill the Islamic State’s positions of power. Another such figure was Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State since 2010 and its self-appointed caliph (the spiritual leader of Islam). Holding a number of dangerous militants together in a setting where they could interact and build a stronger network proved crucial to the group.

“For us it [Camp Bucca] was an academy,” a high-ranking member of the Islamic State who goes by the nom-de-guerre Abu Ahmed told the Guardian last year, “but for them” – the senior leaders – “it was a management school. There wasn’t a void at all, because so many people had been mentored in prison.”

Actually he did all you have to do is look at history, but we all know the far left drones will deny history and rewrite it.

How much territory did ISIS control in the Bush years vs the Obama years.. Just goes to show who created what and allowed to flourish as the far left admires these groups..

If you want go back to the real creation of ISIS then you can blame Clinton since they began in 1999..

 

[edthecynic]

UN1441 called for Saddam to cooperate immediately, actively and proactively.

How many UN resolutions has Israel ignored?