So now, BUSH caused ISIS?

[Kosh]

UN1441 called for Saddam to cooperate immediately, actively and proactively.

How many UN resolutions has Israel ignored?

How many were ignored by Iraq? (since that is the topic)..

Come on tell us how many did Iraq ignore?

 

[edthecynic]

ISIS was created, and I said CREATED, under the Obama administration.

Bullshit!

 

[Kosh]

ISIS was created, and I said CREATED, under the Obama administration.

Bullshit!

On 14 May 2014, the United States Department of State announced its decision to use "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL) as the group's primary name

Yep! I t was born under Obama!

 

[Boss]

You always are!

From your favorite source, Wiki:
A Ba'athist state supports socialist economics to a varying degree, and supports public ownership over the heights of the economy but opposes the confiscation of private property. Socialism in Ba'athist ideology does not mean state socialism or economic equality, but modernisation; Ba'athists believe that socialism is the only way to develop an Arab society which is truly free and united.

Fucking hilarious. Why do Liberals and Socialists in general run away from the Socialist label? I mean, even whenever it's in their name? Oh... different KIND of Socialists, you know... the GOOD kind! --Doofus!

QUESTION: Are Pan-Arab Socialists in favor of western-style democratic government? Yes or No? ...I fucking rest my case!

 

[edthecynic]

You always are!

From your favorite source, Wiki:
A Ba'athist state supports socialist economics to a varying degree, and supports public ownership over the heights of the economy but opposes the confiscation of private property. Socialism in Ba'athist ideology does not mean state socialism or economic equality, but modernisation; Ba'athists believe that socialism is the only way to develop an Arab society which is truly free and united.

Fucking hilarious. Why do Liberals and Socialists in general run away from the Socialist label? I mean, even whenever it's in their name? Oh... different KIND of Socialists, you know... the GOOD kind! --Doofus!

QUESTION: Are Pan-Arab Socialists in favor of western-style democratic government? Yes or No? ...I fucking rest my case!

Like a typical CON$ervoFascist, when exposed to the truth you double down on your lies.
Thank you.

 

[Kosh]

You always are!

From your favorite source, Wiki:
A Ba'athist state supports socialist economics to a varying degree, and supports public ownership over the heights of the economy but opposes the confiscation of private property. Socialism in Ba'athist ideology does not mean state socialism or economic equality, but modernisation; Ba'athists believe that socialism is the only way to develop an Arab society which is truly free and united.

Fucking hilarious. Why do Liberals and Socialists in general run away from the Socialist label? I mean, even whenever it's in their name? Oh... different KIND of Socialists, you know... the GOOD kind! --Doofus!

QUESTION: Are Pan-Arab Socialists in favor of western-style democratic government? Yes or No? ...I fucking rest my case!

Like a typical CON$ervoFascist, when exposed to the truth you double down on your lies.
Thank you.

Actually the far left fascist religious lies were exposed as the reality is ISIS formed in 1999 and was actually called ISIL in 2014. So that means it was under Obama, unless you still believe Bush was president in 2014..

 

[Boss]

flacaltenn 11610236 PAGE 33

THEY ALL SUCK AT IT.....

This thread has show-cased some very interesting political viewpoints. The "they all suck at it" declaration has to be one of the most self-defeating attitudes if what one is truly interested in finding a way to have meaningful and operational politics and governing in this great country of ours once again. Believing in "they all suck at it" is just another way of saying that 'no one sucks at it" which leads to nowhere. Some suck at it much, much more than others. That was what I thought this thread was about. Those who wish to claim that Obama 'sucks at it' more than any other President ought to be aware of the fact that in order to say such a thing, other Presidents need to be brought into the conversation for any kind of meaningful comparison or discussion to be able to happen. Why does comparison between two Presidents on one major foreign policy topic annoy and scare off so many conservatives?

Bring in any old president and let's compare any aspect of their presidency against Obama... Obama sucks at all phases against all previous presidents. His foreign policy is worse than Jimmy Carter. His economic policy is worse than Herbert Hoover. His scandals are bigger than Nixon, Taft and Andrew Johnson combined.His deficits are bigger than George W. Bush. He holds some rather distinguished records like most years as president without a budget submitted to Congress.

I don't believe "they all suck at it" ...I believe OBAMA sucks at it.

 

[edthecynic]

You always are!

From your favorite source, Wiki:
A Ba'athist state supports socialist economics to a varying degree, and supports public ownership over the heights of the economy but opposes the confiscation of private property. Socialism in Ba'athist ideology does not mean state socialism or economic equality, but modernisation; Ba'athists believe that socialism is the only way to develop an Arab society which is truly free and united.

Fucking hilarious. Why do Liberals and Socialists in general run away from the Socialist label? I mean, even whenever it's in their name? Oh... different KIND of Socialists, you know... the GOOD kind! --Doofus!

QUESTION: Are Pan-Arab Socialists in favor of western-style democratic government? Yes or No? ...I fucking rest my case!

Like a typical CON$ervoFascist, when exposed to the truth you double down on your lies.
Thank you.

Actually the far left fascist religious lies were exposed as the reality is ISIS formed in 1999 and was actually called ISIL in 2014. So that means it was under Obama, unless you still believe Bush was president in 2014..

Except it was started in 2006 and was called ISI.
Bush schooled IS in Camp Bucca and owns IS by whatever name they are called, lock, stock and barrel.

Al-Zarqawi was killed in June 2006 by a U.S. drone strike. In October of that same year, AQI merged with other Islamist factions to create the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI).

Expelled from participation in the military and left to rot at home, many Baathists began looking for ways to insert themselves back into Iraqi political life. One of these former Baathists was Samir Abd Muhammad al-Khlifawi but better known as Haji Bakr. According to the German newspaper Der Spiegel, Haji Bakr was “the strategic head of the group calling itself ‘Islamic State’ (IS).”

Haji Bakr was also one of many figures held in the now infamous, U.S.-ran Camp Bucca that would later go on to fill the Islamic State’s positions of power. Another such figure was Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State since 2010 and its self-appointed caliph (the spiritual leader of Islam). Holding a number of dangerous militants together in a setting where they could interact and build a stronger network proved crucial to the group.

“For us it [Camp Bucca] was an academy,” a high-ranking member of the Islamic State who goes by the nom-de-guerre Abu Ahmed told the Guardian last year, “but for them” – the senior leaders – “it was a management school. There wasn’t a void at all, because so many people had been mentored in prison.”

 

[Boss]

You always are!

From your favorite source, Wiki:
A Ba'athist state supports socialist economics to a varying degree, and supports public ownership over the heights of the economy but opposes the confiscation of private property. Socialism in Ba'athist ideology does not mean state socialism or economic equality, but modernisation; Ba'athists believe that socialism is the only way to develop an Arab society which is truly free and united.

Fucking hilarious. Why do Liberals and Socialists in general run away from the Socialist label? I mean, even whenever it's in their name? Oh... different KIND of Socialists, you know... the GOOD kind! --Doofus!

QUESTION: Are Pan-Arab Socialists in favor of western-style democratic government? Yes or No? ...I fucking rest my case!

Like a typical CON$ervoFascist, when exposed to the truth you double down on your lies.
Thank you.

Again... Do Pan-Arab Socialists support the 1998 Iraqi Liberation Act which is official US foreign policy? Did they support Saddam's compliance with UN1441 or any other UN resolution? Do they support the liberation of women? Do they support education for women?

Now you don't want LYING going on round here, so let's be honest about these things! Do you want to honestly begin answering these questions or should I do that?

 

[edthecynic]

You always are!

From your favorite source, Wiki:
A Ba'athist state supports socialist economics to a varying degree, and supports public ownership over the heights of the economy but opposes the confiscation of private property. Socialism in Ba'athist ideology does not mean state socialism or economic equality, but modernisation; Ba'athists believe that socialism is the only way to develop an Arab society which is truly free and united.

Fucking hilarious. Why do Liberals and Socialists in general run away from the Socialist label? I mean, even whenever it's in their name? Oh... different KIND of Socialists, you know... the GOOD kind! --Doofus!

QUESTION: Are Pan-Arab Socialists in favor of western-style democratic government? Yes or No? ...I fucking rest my case!

Like a typical CON$ervoFascist, when exposed to the truth you double down on your lies.
Thank you.

Again... Do Pan-Arab Socialists support the 1998 Iraqi Liberation Act which is official US foreign policy? Did they support Saddam's compliance with UN1441 or any other UN resolution? Do they support the liberation of women? Do they support education for women?

Now you don't want LYING going on round here, so let's be honest about these things! Do you want to honestly begin answering these questions or should I do that?

More deflection to again double down on your lie.
Thank you again.

 

[Faun]

flacaltenn 11610236 PAGE 33

THEY ALL SUCK AT IT.....

This thread has show-cased some very interesting political viewpoints. The "they all suck at it" declaration has to be one of the most self-defeating attitudes if what one is truly interested in finding a way to have meaningful and operational politics and governing in this great country of ours once again. Believing in "they all suck at it" is just another way of saying that 'no one sucks at it" which leads to nowhere. Some suck at it much, much more than others. That was what I thought this thread was about. Those who wish to claim that Obama 'sucks at it' more than any other President ought to be aware of the fact that in order to say such a thing, other Presidents need to be brought into the conversation for any kind of meaningful comparison or discussion to be able to happen. Why does comparison between two Presidents on one major foreign policy topic annoy and scare off so many conservatives?

Bring in any old president and let's compare any aspect of their presidency against Obama... Obama sucks at all phases against all previous presidents. His foreign policy is worse than Jimmy Carter. His economic policy is worse than Herbert Hoover. His scandals are bigger than Nixon, Taft and Andrew Johnson combined.His deficits are bigger than George W. Bush. He holds some rather distinguished records like most years as president without a budget submitted to Congress.

I don't believe "they all suck at it" ...I believe OBAMA sucks at it.

Oh? By what economic metric was Hoover superior to Obama?

 

[Boss]

Oh? By what economic metric was Hoover superior to Obama?

By the metric that Hoover sought to stimulate it while Obama seeks to destroy it.

 

[Faun]

Oh? By what economic metric was Hoover superior to Obama?

By the metric that Hoover sought to stimulate it while Obama seeks to destroy it.

That's an opinion, not a metric. That you can't cite a single metric informs me that you are, as usual, full of shit.

 

[flacaltenn]

flacaltenn 11610236 PAGE 33

THEY ALL SUCK AT IT.....

This thread has show-cased some very interesting political viewpoints. The "they all suck at it" declaration has to be one of the most self-defeating attitudes if what one is truly interested in finding a way to have meaningful and operational politics and governing in this great country of ours once again. Believing in "they all suck at it" is just another way of saying that 'no one sucks at it" which leads to nowhere. Some suck at it much, much more than others. That was what I thought this thread was about. Those who wish to claim that Obama 'sucks at it' more than any other President ought to be aware of the fact that in order to say such a thing, other Presidents need to be brought into the conversation for any kind of meaningful comparison or discussion to be able to happen. Why does comparison between two Presidents on one major foreign policy topic annoy and scare off so many conservatives?

Simple deal here . "They all suck at it" and "none of them suck at them" Perrfectly are opposite statements. One of them causes problems. THe opposite statement does not. So let me qualify.. From Bush1 thru Clinton, to Bush2 and Obama, we have had an increasingly BAD Iraq policy. From your perspective, you have a MONUMENTAL task to show that Clinton or Obama Sucks less at Mid East policy. I will conceed that Clinton got farther towards Israeli Palestine peace than any other. But a lot of that had to do with timing of leadership and events. HIS Iraq "policy" was to do continue killing Iraqis with the containment and bomb them every time he got his ass in trouble. HONEST libs hated that policy and wanted to end the 12 years of starving Iraq.

?

 

[Boss]

More deflection to again double down on your lie.
Thank you again.

I haven't told a lie. I have asked a few questions and you don't want to answer. You want to accuse me of being dishonest and ignore the questions. Can you not make up your mind if you want to have an honest discourse?

Pan Arab Socialists are the ones who are causing us major problems all over the Middle East and northern Africa. The Wonderful Arab Spring... Remember? Well all that is going to shit now, the world is on fire over there, people are being brutally slaughtered by intolerant Pan Arab Socialists who are out of control.

What you want to do is divert the thread by making the irrelevant argument they aren't a particular KIND of Socialist. You're right, the Pan Arab Socialists aren't Marxists or Maoists. That wasn't ever my claim and has nothing to do with anything I said. They are Nationalists, like Hitler under the National-Socialist party. Also not a Marxist.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Oh? By what economic metric was Hoover superior to Obama?

By the metric that Hoover sought to stimulate it while Obama seeks to destroy it.

If Obama sought to destroy the economy, then he's done a bad job, wouldn't you say?

 

[frigidweirdo]

More deflection to again double down on your lie.
Thank you again.

I haven't told a lie. I have asked a few questions and you don't want to answer. You want to accuse me of being dishonest and ignore the questions. Can you not make up your mind if you want to have an honest discourse?

Pan Arab Socialists are the ones who are causing us major problems all over the Middle East and northern Africa. The Wonderful Arab Spring... Remember? Well all that is going to shit now, the world is on fire over there, people are being brutally slaughtered by intolerant Pan Arab Socialists who are out of control.

What you want to do is divert the thread by making the irrelevant argument they aren't a particular KIND of Socialist. You're right, the Pan Arab Socialists aren't Marxists or Maoists. That wasn't ever my claim and has nothing to do with anything I said. They are Nationalists, like Hitler under the National-Socialist party. Also not a Marxist.

Pan Arab Socialists huh? Does this mean you think they're all left wing, and stick them in the same basket as Democrats in order to make everything so much simpler?

 

[Boss]

Oh? By what economic metric was Hoover superior to Obama?

By the metric that Hoover sought to stimulate it while Obama seeks to destroy it.

If Obama sought to destroy the economy, then he's done a bad job, wouldn't you say?

No, I think he has done a great job. He has pretty much gutted and undermined the private sector economy and put the country on life support from the Federal Reserve to the tune of about 1.5 trillion dollars a year. At this rate, we turn into Greece by 2020.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Oh? By what economic metric was Hoover superior to Obama?

By the metric that Hoover sought to stimulate it while Obama seeks to destroy it.

If Obama sought to destroy the economy, then he's done a bad job, wouldn't you say?

No, I think he has done a great job. He has pretty much gutted and undermined the private sector economy and put the country on life support from the Federal Reserve to the tune of about 1.5 trillion dollars a year. At this rate, we turn into Greece by 2020.

So... you mean you have no idea what you're talking about, as long as you get to degrade Obama, who cares?

 

[Boss]

More deflection to again double down on your lie.
Thank you again.

I haven't told a lie. I have asked a few questions and you don't want to answer. You want to accuse me of being dishonest and ignore the questions. Can you not make up your mind if you want to have an honest discourse?

Pan Arab Socialists are the ones who are causing us major problems all over the Middle East and northern Africa. The Wonderful Arab Spring... Remember? Well all that is going to shit now, the world is on fire over there, people are being brutally slaughtered by intolerant Pan Arab Socialists who are out of control.

What you want to do is divert the thread by making the irrelevant argument they aren't a particular KIND of Socialist. You're right, the Pan Arab Socialists aren't Marxists or Maoists. That wasn't ever my claim and has nothing to do with anything I said. They are Nationalists, like Hitler under the National-Socialist party. Also not a Marxist.

Pan Arab Socialists huh? Does this mean you think they're all left wing, and stick them in the same basket as Democrats in order to make everything so much simpler?

No, that's what I just explained to the other dunder-head who thought this. Pan Arab Socialists aren't Marxists like you and Obama. They are Nationalist Socialists, like Hitler.