So why is Obama insulting 96.5% of Americans...

[jknowgood]

A Pandora's box is fixing to be opened here. It was brought up that a widowed man could marry his son. So when he died the son wouldn't pay taxes on the estate. It could be done with a mother marrying her daughter. It couldn't fall under incest law, because they couldn't have a child, that's the primary reason incest isn't allowed. See what happens when you start changing the definition of things. It will be funny to see the outrage of the liberals when a billionaire passes billions in money and assests without a dime in taxes being collected, and just think you created the loop hole. Lol

Couldn't the same thing happen if a widowed man married his daughter?

I have known many people who married because of financial reasons. It doesn't mean that we should block those who marry for love

the guy was talking at first if marriage is redefined a man could marry his son cause they couldn't traditionally have kids, but I'm sure it would change in time. All in fairness of course.

 

[nodoginnafight]

How long has sex been legal in the U.S.?
That didn't send us down the slippery slope of legalizing rape.

How long have we allowed 18-year-olds to vote?
That didn't sending us spiraling down the path to allowing five-year-olds to vote.

Drawing the line between what is criminal and what harms no one is what laws do. It is absurd to oppose or favor a law because of what MAY come next.

So can we just move past the absurdities? Please?

 

[LittleNipper]

More importantly though why are gays against bestiality,Necrophilia and NAMBLA?
I mean these groups are just as equally discriminated against and I thought gays were open minded?

What a stupid argument.

It isn't stupid at all to those sort of people. The logic is right on target. There are absolutes or there are none. There is a God or there is none. Believing in God is a good thing or it is just stupid and prevents people from expressing themselves as they wish... And laws keep everything in order or laws keep select groups under the thumb of those who what to control the population... Killing a baby is evil or it is a means to an end for someone who wants to remain spontaneously free to control one's own ambition. Everything hinges together or it ALL FALLS APART!

 

[LittleNipper]

How long has sex been legal in the U.S.?
That didn't send us down the slippery slope of legalizing rape.

How long have we allowed 18-year-olds to vote?
That didn't sending us spiraling down the path to allowing five-year-olds to vote.

Drawing the line between what is criminal and what harms no one is what laws do. It is absurd to oppose or favor a law because of what MAY come next.

So can we just move past the absurdities? Please?

Actually, I know that open abortion brought about the "gay" movement. Abortion says, "I want sex for fun without being responcible for a baby." Homosexuality says, "I want sex for fun because there is not responcibility with sex."
And more liberal views if fornication removed the death penality for rape.

 

[nodoginnafight]

More importantly though why are gays against bestiality,Necrophilia and NAMBLA?
I mean these groups are just as equally discriminated against and I thought gays were open minded?

What a stupid argument.

It isn't stupid at all to those sort of people. The logic is right on target. There are absolutes or there are none. There is a God or there is none. Believing in God is a good thing or it is just stupid and prevents people from expressing themselves as they wish... And laws keep everything in order or laws keep select groups under the thumb of those who what to control the population... Killing a baby is evil or it is a means to an end for someone who wants to remain spontaneously free to control one's own ambition. Everything hinges together or it ALL FALLS APART!

If by THOSE people you mean Christians, then I am one of THOSE people. I am a Christian who believes in the separation of church and state because it protects the church far more than it protects the state.

"Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's"

 

[nodoginnafight]

How long has sex been legal in the U.S.?
That didn't send us down the slippery slope of legalizing rape.

How long have we allowed 18-year-olds to vote?
That didn't sending us spiraling down the path to allowing five-year-olds to vote.

Drawing the line between what is criminal and what harms no one is what laws do. It is absurd to oppose or favor a law because of what MAY come next.

So can we just move past the absurdities? Please?

Actually, I know that open abortion brought about the "gay" movement. Abortion says, "I want sex for fun without being responcible for a baby." Homosexuality says, "I want sex for fun because there is not responcibility with sex."

Are you being serious? Do you honestly believe that homosexuality began with Roe v Wade?
Seriously?

 

[rightwinger]

How long has sex been legal in the U.S.?
That didn't send us down the slippery slope of legalizing rape.

How long have we allowed 18-year-olds to vote?
That didn't sending us spiraling down the path to allowing five-year-olds to vote.

Drawing the line between what is criminal and what harms no one is what laws do. It is absurd to oppose or favor a law because of what MAY come next.

So can we just move past the absurdities? Please?

Actually, I know that open abortion brought about the "gay" movement. Abortion says, "I want sex for fun without being responcible for a baby." Homosexuality says, "I want sex for fun because there is not responcibility with sex."

Whispers to Little Nipps..........Shhhhhh....Sex IS fun

Know what isn't fun? Having eleven kids like my great-grandmother did

 

[NYcarbineer]

while courting 3.5% of Americans???

According to a Williams Institute review conducted in April 2011, approximately 3.5% of American adults identify themselves as lesbian, gay or bisexual, while 0.3% are transgender—which would correspond to approximately 11.7 million Americans as of the 2010 Census.
LGBT demographics of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If Obama is so smart why other then campaign donations payback is this attention to gay issues?

If that number were accurate, and since that would mean that an even smaller number within that number would ever get married,

why do the bigots keep warning us of such dire apocalyptic consequences if gay marriage is made legal? 1% or less of the population entering into same sex marriage is going to bring about the end of the world?

lol

 

[Katzndogz]

How long has sex been legal in the U.S.?
That didn't send us down the slippery slope of legalizing rape.

How long have we allowed 18-year-olds to vote?
That didn't sending us spiraling down the path to allowing five-year-olds to vote.

Drawing the line between what is criminal and what harms no one is what laws do. It is absurd to oppose or favor a law because of what MAY come next.

So can we just move past the absurdities? Please?

Actually, I know that open abortion brought about the "gay" movement. Abortion says, "I want sex for fun without being responcible for a baby." Homosexuality says, "I want sex for fun because there is not responcibility with sex."

Acceptance of abortion probably had nothing at all to do with acceptance and normalizing homosexuality. The acceptance of groundless and convenient divorce had more to do with acceptance of homosexuality than abortion, even though both happened at about the same time. Had we not first devalued marriage, we wouldn't be considering same sex marriage now. The argument is "See what you did to marriage! We couldn't do worse."

Once homosexual relationships became acceptable, even as limited as that acceptability is, we began having situations like Harvard celebrating Incest Fest; Yale with it's beastiality workshop and numerous colleges offering credit courses in pornography. Slippery slope indeed. It's not something to be considered in the abstract, it is certainly in the here and now. To liberals, this is decency. Objecting, that's bigotry. Morality is totally objectionable and is to be eliminated at all and any costs.

We are not moving towards depravity and degeneracy, we are racing toward it. Fortunately cultures that get this bad seldom survive for long.

 

[Glensather]

Katz, that's so extreme it goes into unreasonable. No one will ever accept bestiality as the norm, because animals cannot give consent. Incest has been proven to be genetically degenerating, so it will never be legalized either.

Homosexual marriage harms no one. Zero. Unless it negatively effects you in some way. And you'd be one.

But hey, you'd be given special concessions by liberals, who view minorities as special.

 

[nitroz]

Conservatives underestimate the impact of the gay vote.
Gays may be 3.5% of the population, but they have family, friends, neighbors and coworkers who look at them and say .......He or she is a good person....why can't they marry the person they love?

Conservatives are coming off as petty and cruel on this issue and they will pay a price at the polls

bingo!


....was his nameo

 

[Rinata]

Conservatives might well pay a heavy price at the polls, but it would be because the nation as a whole is moving toward depravity and degeneracy. Decency is not tolerated in such a toxic atmosphere.

If you are an example of decency I would rather be identified as a depraved degenerate.

 

[Katzndogz]

Katz, that's so extreme it goes into unreasonable. No one will ever accept bestiality as the norm, because animals cannot give consent. Incest has been proven to be genetically degenerating, so it will never be legalized either.

Homosexual marriage harms no one. Zero. Unless it negatively effects you in some way. And you'd be one.

But hey, you'd be given special concessions by liberals, who view minorities as special.

Current evidence would prove you wrong. Many enlightened countries already have legalized beastiality with Denmark having gone so far as legal animal brothels.
Animal brothels legal in Denmark | IceNews - Daily News

As far as incest does, really, get with the program. They can have sex without having children. Brazil, Russia, France, India, Sweden, Belgium, Portugal, The Netherlands and Japan have already legalized incest. Switzerland is considering legalizing incest as is Romania. Who are you to tell others who to love! With birth control and abortion the children of incestuous unions aren't even a consideration.

Once depravity is normalized, it goes all the way to the bottom of the barrel.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

while courting 3.5% of Americans???

According to a Williams Institute review conducted in April 2011, approximately 3.5% of American adults identify themselves as lesbian, gay or bisexual, while 0.3% are transgender—which would correspond to approximately 11.7 million Americans as of the 2010 Census.
LGBT demographics of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If Obama is so smart why other then campaign donations payback is this attention to gay issues?

Following this logic, only black people were against slavery.

Isn't that exactly the logic that I see used everyday when people say that Republicans are racist?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Conservatives might well pay a heavy price at the polls, but it would be because the nation as a whole is moving toward depravity and degeneracy. Decency is not tolerated in such a toxic atmosphere.

The problem for conservatives is that the "God hates fags" crowd is losing influence. More people meet gays in their daily lives and do not consider them to be evil
More and more Americans look at it as an issue of fairness

Which is why Obama supports fair and equal rights for gays--because that is what the majority of Americans want. He isn't 'courting' the gay vote, he is doing what the majority of Americans want.

I love how 2% suddenly is a vast majority.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Which is why Obama supports fair and equal rights for gays--because that is what the majority of Americans want. He isn't 'courting' the gay vote, he is doing what the majority of Americans want.

If that is what the majority of Americans want, put it to a vote. So far, out of nine states that have legalized same sex marriage only two have voted on it. The other seven have had it imposed either judicially or legislatively. See if that's what the majority wants. Put it to a vote.

Same with abortion?
Or do you just favor voting when you think you will win?

You think abortion will win an election? My guess is that it would be a hard sell, even in California.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The problem for conservatives is that the "God hates fags" crowd is losing influence. More people meet gays in their daily lives and do not consider them to be evil
More and more Americans look at it as an issue of fairness

It has nothing to do with God. Liberals must say so because the argument allows them to avoid the truth. The nation is becoming more depraved and degenerate daily. Common decency is now overtly religious and must be rejected as just more church doctrine.

The only objection to gays comes from the religious right. That is where the moral judgements come from. Most Americans are looking at homosexuality as something that causes no harm and think that Homosexuals should be allowed to marry the person they love

What I find interesting is that as Homosexuals are openly accepted in America, the God Hates Fags faction are becoming social outcasts

I love it when people speak in absolutes, when did Stalin become part of the religious right?

By the way, did you ever figure out when WBC had power?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Conservatives might well pay a heavy price at the polls, but it would be because the nation as a whole is moving toward depravity and degeneracy. Decency is not tolerated in such a toxic atmosphere.

Decency is in tolerance rather than the depravity and degeneracy of those who bash gays.

If decency is tolerance should we be more tolerant of rapists? Or does your call for tolerance have limits based on your moral judgements?

 

[rightwinger]

It has nothing to do with God. Liberals must say so because the argument allows them to avoid the truth. The nation is becoming more depraved and degenerate daily. Common decency is now overtly religious and must be rejected as just more church doctrine.

The only objection to gays comes from the religious right. That is where the moral judgements come from. Most Americans are looking at homosexuality as something that causes no harm and think that Homosexuals should be allowed to marry the person they love

What I find interesting is that as Homosexuals are openly accepted in America, the God Hates Fags faction are becoming social outcasts

I love it when people speak in absolutes, when did Stalin become part of the religious right?

By the way, did you ever figure out when WBC had power?

When did Stalin become an American?

The WBC never had complete power. They split it with the WBA

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It has nothing to do with God. Liberals must say so because the argument allows them to avoid the truth. The nation is becoming more depraved and degenerate daily. Common decency is now overtly religious and must be rejected as just more church doctrine.

The only objection to gays comes from the religious right. That is where the moral judgements come from. Most Americans are looking at homosexuality as something that causes no harm and think that Homosexuals should be allowed to marry the person they love

What I find interesting is that as Homosexuals are openly accepted in America, the God Hates Fags faction are becoming social outcasts

So why do gays hate NAMBLA?

What the hell does NAMBLA have to do with feminists?