Soak the Rich, Lose the Rich

[Care4all]

I'm not a neocon, but nice try. I know when the Cold War ended. Why should the super-rich pay a higher percentage than anyone else? Because they played the game better? and actually it WILL be my problem, but hey, nice try there, too.

Because they have alot more to give, without having any human suffering is why we have had a Progressive income tax in the first place.... to take from those who are working their fair share and are only getting by, should NOT be made to suffer for this country of ours.

Those that have benefited MOST by being in this country, through our stock markets, through our financial securities that are governed, through our physical safety provided to them and their employees, through our fire departments protecting their huge businesses, through our policemen protecting their businesses and employees, through our decent roads to transport their goods across country, through our postal service, through other businesses that could prosper such as UPS AND FEDEX, through our trucking companies and regs ruling them for safety that transport their goods, through our regulated banks that gave them financing, etc etc etc!!! I can go on and on how a version of what can called govt socialism or gvt intervention has helped the wealthiest a great deal more than is ever given credit imho!

Yes, it is fair to have a progressive tax system....those without money don't have huge businesses to protect, or even use our great roads and railways and airports, or invest in the stock market or even deal with banks for financing, or own an establishment that needs protecting from the loss due to fire....the poor live in neighborhoods where cops fear to enter and they certainly deal with higher crime rates, these innocent low income ones don't get the same security of protection as the wealthiest....even their kids go to crap schools....

Just because their income is low for a full weeks work, does not mean we should PUNISH them for not using all the resources in America, that the wealthiest learned to use and become accustomed to...again, in my opinion, this would be inhumane...and I hope this is not what you are saying?

Care

How much is a "fair share" Care?

Should some people get to live here and enjoy the services that this country provides and not pay anything into the system?

If some people get to not pay anything into the system, what incentive do they have to not ask for more and more? After all, it wouldn't be their money.

Is there some percentage of the population that you wouldn't want to push the "free ride?" I mean if 55% of the people didn't pay in, then they could always vote themselves more largess to be paid by the 45% that did pay in, right?

Just curious about your answers to those questions.

They pay taxes in most of their states through a sales tax, if they own homes like we did, they pay state/local taxes through their property taxes, if paying rent then through their higher rent fees to cover the owner's taxes, if they buy cigarettes they pay for other children's health care with the taxes on those and if they buy lottery tickets they pay for what the states collect on that, if they buy liquor they pay sin taxes on such, if they drive they pay gas taxes for the roads....NO ONE, and I mean no one, in this country is exempt from paying taxes to their government, and the State government these people live in ARE the ones providing MOST for these people of low income, NOT the federal government. In addition to this, the working low and middle income have paid 12% plus of their entire incomes with the match of the employer in to social security taxes, they have been over paying by DOUBLE...(the tax was 3% on individuals, 3% on businesses in your name until reagan in 1983 doubled it, so to pull in the surplusses) So these working class people NOT THE WEALTHIEST, have had their SS surplusses, to the tune of $300 BILLION A YEAR on some years, used to pay for what the wealthiest claim they are paying the most income tax for....which is just plain bullshit....and SS will probably never be paid back in the manner they should, which is from income tax funds...new laws will change to cut benefits instead....

NO, I do not think the 55% not paying income taxes will vote to tax the wealthiest even more, they have no money to donate to lobbyists representing them who then donate to the various congressmen and senatorial campaigns...follow the money.

care

 

[HUGGY]

Well, that would hit the middle class, greatly, with a tax increase....the wealthiest 400 people in America, right now, with all deductions and tx shelters, average paying 17% in income taxes.

My husband and I made a decent income when we were both working and paid alot in taxes, but when he worked out of the home with a new job as a Rep for a vendo,r we got alot of deductions and an huge mortgage on the house at the time and huge state and property taxes in Massachusetts, we on average had $30k plus, in deductions and on average, at year end, only ended up paying 7% in income taxes though we began in a much higher bracket, before the deductions, and 401k's maxed etc.

Now, that i don't work, one part time income only for the two of us with Matt...but we own our home, we might pay 5% in income taxes....we live off of less than $20k for the two of us...we have a very lean and mean budget....what retirement we do have saved are tax free investments for now, till we start pulling them out....so 15% would KILL US, compared to 5%, plus we pay $1800 in property taxes, $3800 when we were in massachusetts, and matt and I have never had children, we were unable to, yet we pay for schools for all other children, from the beginning to when we die....which is fine, I suppose, for the betterment of our country....but still a flat 15% would hit alot of people like me and matt, and hit us hard...especially since most of what he clears, is to pay for oil heat and the other energies....and food, that's about it.

At 20K you should be paying zero income tax. Flat taxes are theft on those that can't afford any tax. The rich by definition can afford more. What seems hard to communicate is that taxing the rich does not make them less rich. They do not go backwards. They just make less. They are still rich! If they invest in the community by starting businesses that supply jobs I can see tax breaks but just making more money for adding to thier own pile should cost them a little extra for the privilege. I have no pity for people that gamble on the stock market. They are fools. They should be taxed a lot for being idiots and helping raise prices for everyone.

However, what you don't seem to be getting is that this is not a static analysis. I'm not rich, however, I'd like to get there. Taxing the holy fuck out of me while I'm trying to achieve that is NOT an incentive. It's like if you can't make enough money to REALLY surpass the level where all the taxes kick in to high gear, you're better off staying just under. For small businesses, I can see that stifling growth. If I might be able to add one more person and clear a bit more money. But, it's not an absolute, why risk the extra taxation? Just stay at a comfortable level that won't result in the trouble.

Like I say, this breaks down if I win a large contract and have to significantly staff up to work it. But that's not how growth usually happens. At least not in what I do.

Please don't confuse where I stand. The tax schedule has to encourage the entrepenure and those willing to take risk in starting business. If your "business" is gambling in stocks, commodities and money markets I don't give a rats ass what happens to you. If you are starting a business that provides jobs and deals in "real" things then you should be given every advantage possible. In any case the accelerated tax burden shouldn't kick in below half a million dollars of income. Investment capital is not income. It should never be taxed.

 

[editec]

End all income taxes.

Run the government on tariffs. If the tariffs won't support it, the government doesn't do it.

Doesn't get any flatter than that, folks.

Who's with me?

 

[edthecynic]

Even LimpBoy admits the WEALTHY pay no taxes.
It's the upper middle class WAGE EARNER who pays the bulk of the taxes not the wealthy Capital Gains Tycoon.

But it's not as hard to dodge your taxes as LimpBoy would have you believe, CON$ never tell the whole truth.
You need only know how the wealthy pervert the charity deduction and then take advantage of the deduction yourself. You use your "charity" to accumulate and protect your wealth.

The way to outsmart the wealthy and get them to pay their fair share of taxes is to eliminate the charity deduction.

Mrs. Clinton Honest About Taxes
August 7, 2007
CALLER: And, you know, and the way our tax system works, we have an overly complex system, which in and of itself is a problem, but the way our tax system works and the way the tax laws are written, it's based on a few kind of like hinge numbers like adjusted gross income and taxable income, and while the soak the rich -- or however you choose to describe it -- really doesn't come down that way. It really comes down to much lower income levels.

RUSH: It does, exactly, and here's the dirty little secret if you ever to pull it off. It's hard. This is why most people don't understand the tax-the-rich business. You've got to structure your life so you have no "earned" income. I'm out of time. I'll explain that. There's a category called earned income versus other kinds of income. Earned income is what the income tax rate is on. That's how "the rich" do it. They don't have "earned" income.
END TRANSCRIPT

The Truth About Taxes
The Truth About Taxes
August 6, 2007
RUSH: I've told you before: the income tax is designed to keep people like his [Buffett's] secretary from becoming wealthy! There is no "wealth" tax. So this is a big misnomer. ...

But there's no tax on wealth. There is a tax on income, and the tax on income is designed to keep everybody who is not wealthy from getting there.
I'm talking about genuine wealth, not the way Democrats define "rich."

Socialist Annoyed by Host Sniffles
June 14, 2007
RUSH: a lot of people, a lot of people wealthy people set up foundations and they do this to keep the government from getting the money.

Earned income versus investment income has always been taxed differently.

But the FACT REMAINS that the wealthy in this country aka the over 250K crowd still pay 67% of the entire tax base of this country. And that 1.3 MILLION Americans pay more to the tax base of this country than the other 138 MILLION.

The issue of whether it's' earned income or investment income has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with those facts.

But it is a cooked "FACT!"
If you were observant, you would see two things in the disclaimer for that "fact."

First it is AGI which stands for ADJUSTED Gross Income and the truly wealthy can adjust their taxable income to ZERO.

For example, I don't know if you are old enough to remember, but when Nelson A Rockefeller was appointed Vice President he made his tax return public. Now there is no denying the Rockefeller family are truly wealthy by any standard, and on a 7 figure income he had not one red cent of taxable income.

And second they do not count payroll taxes in that "ENTIRE TAX BASE" your "fact" is only INCOME tax AFTER adjustment.

According to the latest CBO report on table 1 page 18, the Share of Total Federal Tax Liabilities of the top 1% for 2008 was 20.7%, down from 21.1% in 2007. The top 5% was 36.7% down from 37.0% in 2007 and the top 10% was 48.3% down from 48.5% in 2007.
Only 2% of the population has a taxable income of $250k or more so your 67% "fact" is completely outrageous.

[PDF download] A P A P E R

I'm not a neocon, but nice try. I know when the Cold War ended. Why should the super-rich pay a higher percentage than anyone else? Because they played the game better? and actually it WILL be my problem, but hey, nice try there, too.

Because they have alot more to give, without having any human suffering is why we have had a Progressive income tax in the first place.... to take from those who are working their fair share and are only getting by, should NOT be made to suffer for this country of ours.

Those that have benefited MOST by being in this country, through our stock markets, through our financial securities that are governed, through our physical safety provided to them and their employees, through our fire departments protecting their huge businesses, through our policemen protecting their businesses and employees, through our decent roads to transport their goods across country, through our postal service, through other businesses that could prosper such as UPS AND FEDEX, through our trucking companies and regs ruling them for safety that transport their goods, through our regulated banks that gave them financing, etc etc etc!!! I can go on and on how a version of what can called govt socialism or gvt intervention has helped the wealthiest a great deal more than is ever given credit imho!

Yes, it is fair to have a progressive tax system....those without money don't have huge businesses to protect, or even use our great roads and railways and airports, or invest in the stock market or even deal with banks for financing, or own an establishment that needs protecting from the loss due to fire....the poor live in neighborhoods where cops fear to enter and they certainly deal with higher crime rates, these innocent low income ones don't get the same security of protection as the wealthiest....even their kids go to crap schools....

Just because their income is low for a full weeks work, does not mean we should PUNISH them for not using all the resources in America, that the wealthiest learned to use and become accustomed to...again, in my opinion, this would be inhumane...and I hope this is not what you are saying?

Care

How much is a "fair share" Care?

Should some people get to live here and enjoy the services that this country provides and not pay anything into the system?

If some people get to not pay anything into the system, what incentive do they have to not ask for more and more? After all, it wouldn't be their money.

Is there some percentage of the population that you wouldn't want to push the "free ride?" I mean if 55% of the people didn't pay in, then they could always vote themselves more largess to be paid by the 45% that did pay in, right?

Just curious about your answers to those questions.

CON$ love to claim that there is a large number of people at the bottom who pay no taxes, but the same PDF of the current CBO report that I already posted for download tells a different story. The same Table 2 shows that the lowest 20% paid 1.1% of the Total Federal Tax Liability in 2008. The next 20% paid 5.2% and the next 20% paid 10.4% so the bottom 60% paid 16.7% which is obviously not a free ride.

October 8, 2008
RUSH: This business that he's going to cut taxes on 95% of the American people, barely 70% are paying taxes, and by the time Obama gets through the number paying taxes will be 43%. Forty-three percent will be paying taxes, and the balance will not be, by the time he gets through with this. That would be so easy to swat out of the park, 95% are going to get a tax cut. The dirty little secret is that Obama's secret new voting bloc is the 30% of people that don't pay taxes now. They're the ones that want everybody else's taxes raised so they can live off of it from the government.

 

[gautama]

SOAK THE RICH

LOSE THE RICH

LOSE THE RICH

LOSE THE BUSINESSES

LOSE THE BUSINESSES

YOU LOSE YOUR JOBS

LOSE YOUR JOBS

THE MARXIST/COMMIE Obami-Salami GETS HIS DREAM COME TRUE.....THIS POS DESTROYS the ENLIGHTENED CAPITALISTIC SYSTEM

THE ENLIGHTENED CAPITALISTIC SYSTEM THAT MADE AMERICA THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND !!!

You are so stupid it hurts my eyes to see your shit. You have obviously never been rich.

And with your pea brain you never will be.

Rich people do not start buisiness you fucking moron. Rich people make money artificially with the investment of thier money in the stock market. The people that create the most jobs are the middle class. They are the ones with the combination of innovation, motivation and enough capital and credit to take a chance on a new business. Investment in the markets does not create jobs. It just inflates prices.

Huggy,

OBVIOUSLY, you are a COMMIE PISS-ANT.

And, an INTENSELY JEALOUS ONE, at that.

I am not listed in Forbes 400. And, I'm nowhere close to being on that list.

However, my cousin is in the top 40. And those are billionaires.

As for me, my wife and I (and son and daughter), we are ALL in the class that is called "professionals". I can proudly say, that we are the BACKBONE OF AMERICA. We make "good" money. But then we are also being soaked more than ANYONE COMPARABLE TO US, PROPORTIONALLY, even in the SOCIALIZED European countries.

What I am concerned about is that our ENLIGHTENED AMERICAN CAPITALISTIC SYSTEM, the GREATEST ECONOMIC SYSTEM IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND is in a SERIOUS CRISIS BECAUSE OF OBAMI-SALAMI.

Is it PERFECT ????

OF COURSE NOT !!!

It must be tweaked hither and yon.

BUT.......TO HAVE IT BEING OVERTURNED BY A SLEAZY MARXIST/COMMIE Black Racist Political Scoundrel Obami-Salami ....... with his OUTRAGEOUSLY OBVIOUS CORRUPT RISE THRU THE COMMIE-ORIENTED, MOB-CONNECTED CHICAGO POLITICAL MACHINE...TOP ECHELON ACORN INVOLVEMENT WITH SUCH HUMAN GARBAGE LIKE THE UNREPENTANT, HOMICIDAL, MANIACAL TERORIST Bill Ayers, etc.....

That is TOO MUCH !!!!

BTW, to get the correct view of the CRISIS in America, read about my views and those of the Great American - African Scholar from Stanford Univ, Thomas Sowell. GO TO THE SECTION: "RACE RELATIONS/RACISM" , and look up my thread entitled: "Black Racism's ARROGANCE. Part TWO."

 

[ozzmdj]

SOAK THE RICH

LOSE THE RICH

LOSE THE RICH

LOSE THE BUSINESSES

LOSE THE BUSINESSES

YOU LOSE YOUR JOBS

LOSE YOUR JOBS

THE MARXIST/COMMIE Obami-Salami GETS HIS DREAM COME TRUE.....THIS POS DESTROYS the ENLIGHTENED CAPITALISTIC SYSTEM

THE ENLIGHTENED CAPITALISTIC SYSTEM THAT MADE AMERICA THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND !!!

You are so stupid it hurts my eyes to see your shit. You have obviously never been rich.

And with your pea brain you never will be.

Rich people do not start buisiness you fucking moron. Rich people make money artificially with the investment of thier money in the stock market. The people that create the most jobs are the middle class. They are the ones with the combination of innovation, motivation and enough capital and credit to take a chance on a new business. Investment in the markets does not create jobs. It just inflates prices.

Huggy,

OBVIOUSLY, you are a COMMIE PISS-ANT.

And, an INTENSELY JEALOUS ONE, at that.

I am not listed in Forbes 400. And, I'm nowhere close to being on that list.

However, my cousin is in the top 40. And those are billionaires.

As for me, my wife and I (and son and daughter), we are ALL in the class that is called "professionals". I can proudly say, that we are the BACKBONE OF AMERICA. We make "good" money. But then we are also being soaked more than ANYONE COMPARABLE TO US, PROPORTIONALLY, even in the SOCIALIZED European countries.

What I am concerned about is that our ENLIGHTENED AMERICAN CAPITALISTIC SYSTEM, the GREATEST ECONOMIC SYSTEM IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND is in a SERIOUS CRISIS BECAUSE OF OBAMI-SALAMI.

Is it PERFECT ????

OF COURSE NOT !!!

It must be tweaked hither and yon.

BUT.......TO HAVE IT BEING OVERTURNED BY A SLEAZY MARXIST/COMMIE Black Racist Political Scoundrel Obami-Salami ....... with his OUTRAGEOUSLY OBVIOUS CORRUPT RISE THRU THE COMMIE-ORIENTED, MOB-CONNECTED CHICAGO POLITICAL MACHINE...TOP ECHELON ACORN INVOLVEMENT WITH SUCH HUMAN GARBAGE LIKE THE UNREPENTANT, HOMICIDAL, MANIACAL TERORIST Bill Ayers, etc.....

That is TOO MUCH !!!!

BTW, to get the correct view of the CRISIS in America, read about my views and those of the Great American - African Scholar from Stanford Univ, Thomas Sowell. GO TO THE SECTION: "RACE RELATIONS/RACISM" , and look up my thread entitled: "Black Racism's ARROGANCE. Part TWO."

Huggy is a with no life

 

[KittenKoder]

CON$ can only spew their programmed talking points no matter how irrelevant they are.

Actually no, he has a point ... if the left's spin on who pays the higher taxes is correct.

Now you are just being contentious.
First of all, the link was provided to show even CON$ admit Libs are the more successful achievers. It is only coincidence that CON$ revealed that fact while bragging about their own generosity, otherwise generosity would have never entered this discussion.

And secondly, rather than ME being generous with other peoples money, as he was programmed to reply, a more correct statement would have been, "Libs being generous with other Libs money." Which actually supports my question, "why should CON$ care if Libs tax themselves?"

However, if the poor are the ones paying the higher taxes, then if any of your contentions were half true, the "libs" are currently spending a ton of the "cons" money on themselves.

 

[KittenKoder]

End all income taxes.

Run the government on tariffs. If the tariffs won't support it, the government doesn't do it.

Doesn't get any flatter than that, folks.

Who's with me?

Meh ... I just say get rid of all the organizations the government runs and wastes money on, let people make choices themselves, and let the state governments (after giving us people the power again) run things. Hold politicians accountable for their promises and lies, pay them mean wages instead of letting them choose their own, and let businesses stand on their products and services. A little more complex, but that's how it would work best.

 

[gautama]

End all income taxes.

Run the government on tariffs. If the tariffs won't support it, the government doesn't do it.

Doesn't get any flatter than that, folks.

Who's with me?

Meh ... I just say get rid of all the organizations the government runs and wastes money on, let people make choices themselves, and let the state governments (after giving us people the power again) run things. Hold politicians accountable for their promises and lies, pay them mean wages instead of letting them choose their own, and let businesses stand on their products and services. A little more complex, but that's how it would work best.

Kittenkorder,

Needless to say, I disagree with Edthecynic's Obami-Salami like premises.

As to your conclusion:

There are probably quite a few of us that share your dream.

Alas, it's a dream without any success of even remotely coming into being.

G'luck

PS: just noticed your "Meh...." Is that a typo, or something I don't know about ?

 

[KittenKoder]

End all income taxes.

Run the government on tariffs. If the tariffs won't support it, the government doesn't do it.

Doesn't get any flatter than that, folks.

Who's with me?

Meh ... I just say get rid of all the organizations the government runs and wastes money on, let people make choices themselves, and let the state governments (after giving us people the power again) run things. Hold politicians accountable for their promises and lies, pay them mean wages instead of letting them choose their own, and let businesses stand on their products and services. A little more complex, but that's how it would work best.

Kittenkorder,

Needless to say, I disagree with Editec's Obami-Salami like premises.

As to your conclusion:

There are probably quite a few of us that share your dream.

Alas, it's a dream without any success of even remotely coming into being.

G'luck

However, Obamabots say dreams can come true and that Obama is proof ... so we'll see.

The only reason it isn't coming true is because the politicians would lose power and money, and they don't want that. The ones in power now want a dictatorship in the US and it's showing the more they try. This is why I agree with the gunnuts, the right to bear arms and freedom of speech are our two most important freedoms, and they are being targeted so we cannot stop them from taking more power.

 

[gautama]

You are so stupid it hurts my eyes to see your shit. You have obviously never been rich.

And with your pea brain you never will be.

Rich people do not start buisiness you fucking moron. Rich people make money artificially with the investment of thier money in the stock market. The people that create the most jobs are the middle class. They are the ones with the combination of innovation, motivation and enough capital and credit to take a chance on a new business. Investment in the markets does not create jobs. It just inflates prices.

Huggy,

OBVIOUSLY, you are a COMMIE PISS-ANT.

And, an INTENSELY JEALOUS ONE, at that.

I am not listed in Forbes 400. And, I'm nowhere close to being on that list.

However, my cousin is in the top 40. And those are billionaires.

As for me, my wife and I (and son and daughter), we are ALL in the class that is called "professionals". I can proudly say, that we are the BACKBONE OF AMERICA. We make "good" money. But then we are also being soaked more than ANYONE COMPARABLE TO US, PROPORTIONALLY, even in the SOCIALIZED European countries.

What I am concerned about is that our ENLIGHTENED AMERICAN CAPITALISTIC SYSTEM, the GREATEST ECONOMIC SYSTEM IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND is in a SERIOUS CRISIS BECAUSE OF OBAMI-SALAMI.

Is it PERFECT ????

OF COURSE NOT !!!

It must be tweaked hither and yon.

BUT.......TO HAVE IT BEING OVERTURNED BY A SLEAZY MARXIST/COMMIE Black Racist Political Scoundrel Obami-Salami ....... with his OUTRAGEOUSLY OBVIOUS CORRUPT RISE THRU THE COMMIE-ORIENTED, MOB-CONNECTED CHICAGO POLITICAL MACHINE...TOP ECHELON ACORN INVOLVEMENT WITH SUCH HUMAN GARBAGE LIKE THE UNREPENTANT, HOMICIDAL, MANIACAL TERORIST Bill Ayers, etc.....

That is TOO MUCH !!!!

BTW, to get the correct view of the CRISIS in America, read about my views and those of the Great American - African Scholar from Stanford Univ, Thomas Sowell. GO TO THE SECTION: "RACE RELATIONS/RACISM" , and look up my thread entitled: "Black Racism's ARROGANCE. Part TWO."

Huggy is a with no life

OZZMDJ,

Huggy keeps yapping about the "Cold War" being over....it being "old news".

And it is .......BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

No one is talking about the COLD WAR !!!!

THE CRISIS IS THAT the sleazy MARXIST/COMMIE Political Charlatan Obami-Salami is trying to turn our beloved country into a COMMIE-TYPE NATION.....even though this DELUSIONAL IDEOLOGUE, and his lemming-like "FREE LUNCH FOLLOWERS" have the HISTORICAL RECORD of COMMUNISM'S and SOCIALISM'S FAILURES slapping them upside their skulls.

Obviously, Huggy is a LOSER......he doesn't have the wherewithal to compete in our American Society where YA GOTTA HAVE ACCOMPLISHMENTS to be successful.

Hence, Huggy, and the other "obamaton-losers" want the FREE RIDE route.

Huggy just LOOOOOOVES the Obami-Salami scam of "FREE LUNCHES FER EVERYONE BY SOAKING THE RICH " !!!

IOW, Huggy is a COMMIE falling for the sleazy MARXIST/COMMIE, Political Charlatan Obamii-Salami SCAM regardless of the fact that the "RICH", even if they are going to be soaked 200%, will STILL not be able to pay for the OBAMI-SALAMI "FREE LUNCHES".

WHY DON"T the HUGGY-TYPE LOSERS CARE THAT THE RICH, EVEN WHEN SOAKED 200%, WON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR OBAMI-SALAMI'S "FREE LUNCHES"......AND THAT, INEVITABLY, AND OBVIOUSLY, THE MONEY WILL HAVE TO COME FROM THE MIDDLE CLASS.....WHICH OBAMI-SALAMI IS ATTEMPTING TO CONVINCE EVERYONE THAT IT WILL NOT ?!?!?

ANSWER: Because the Huggies are NOT the MIDDLE CLASS. THE HUGGIES ARE USUALLY THE LOSERS IN THE 47% CLASS THAT ARE NOT PAYING ANY TAXES NOW......YET WANT MORE....MORE.....AND MORE ....so that they will HAVE AS MUCH AS THE MIDDLE-CLASS THEY ARE WILLING TO ROB !!!!

So.... basically, these huggy-type COMMIES are not ONLY after "SOAKING THE RICH" .... these PHONEY COMMIES are REALLY after the MIDDLE-CLASS.

These LOSERS are after the SMALL BUSINESS TYPE OWNERS that make life MISERABLE for the HUGGY-TYPE COMMIE LOSERS who wash dishes, swab the toilets, etc....

BUT .... LET'S BE CLEAR: HUGGY-TYPE COMMIES are not necessarily on the very bottom of the Social Ladder....they can also be the FRUSTRATED LOSERS in the "MIDDLE MANAGEMENT" Category who are DEAD-ENDERS......and feel that SOCIETY or THE PRESENT SYSTEM is at fault because they are FUCKING LOSERS !!!!

So here is the BOTTOM LINE: DON'T FALL FOR THE OBAMI-SALAMI SCAM that ONLY the RICH WILL BE SOAKED !!!!

THAT IS A BUNCH OF UNMITIGATED, UNADULTERATED CRAP !!!

THE OBAMI-SALAMI MARXIST/COMMIE AGENDA is to destroy BOTH the RICH and the MIDDLE CLASS.

THEN.....and ONLY THEN......MARXIST/COMMIE Black Racist Political Charlatan Obami-Salami's DREAM will be achieved.

 

[edthecynic]

Actually no, he has a point ... if the left's spin on who pays the higher taxes is correct.

Now you are just being contentious.
First of all, the link was provided to show even CON$ admit Libs are the more successful achievers. It is only coincidence that CON$ revealed that fact while bragging about their own generosity, otherwise generosity would have never entered this discussion.

And secondly, rather than ME being generous with other peoples money, as he was programmed to reply, a more correct statement would have been, "Libs being generous with other Libs money." Which actually supports my question, "why should CON$ care if Libs tax themselves?"

However, if the poor are the ones paying the higher taxes, then if any of your contentions were half true, the "libs" are currently spending a ton of the "cons" money on themselves.

That doesn't even make sense!!
And if any of your contentions were half logical that would be a vast improvement.

 

[KittenKoder]

Now you are just being contentious.
First of all, the link was provided to show even CON$ admit Libs are the more successful achievers. It is only coincidence that CON$ revealed that fact while bragging about their own generosity, otherwise generosity would have never entered this discussion.

And secondly, rather than ME being generous with other peoples money, as he was programmed to reply, a more correct statement would have been, "Libs being generous with other Libs money." Which actually supports my question, "why should CON$ care if Libs tax themselves?"

However, if the poor are the ones paying the higher taxes, then if any of your contentions were half true, the "libs" are currently spending a ton of the "cons" money on themselves.

That doesn't even make sense!!
And if any of your contentions were half logical that would be a vast improvement.

Damn ... so much projection ... so little time.

 

[colbylloyd]

why don't we not spend so much and we shouldn't have to tax so much. and why over tax the rich? since when is being rich a crime? isn't that the whole american dream anyway? or has this country lost its way?

 

[gautama]

Now you are just being contentious.
First of all, the link was provided to show even CON$ admit Libs are the more successful achievers. It is only coincidence that CON$ revealed that fact while bragging about their own generosity, otherwise generosity would have never entered this discussion.

And secondly, rather than ME being generous with other peoples money, as he was programmed to reply, a more correct statement would have been, "Libs being generous with other Libs money." Which actually supports my question, "why should CON$ care if Libs tax themselves?"

However, if the poor are the ones paying the higher taxes, then if any of your contentions were half true, the "libs" are currently spending a ton of the "cons" money on themselves.

That doesn't even make sense!!
And if any of your contentions were half logical that would be a vast improvement.

Edthecynic aka The Liberal LOGICIAN....or better still...LOGORHEAN,

The LOGIC involved by KittenKorder is not only better than being "half logical", it is SUPERB LOGIC with a dab of exquisite SARCASM.

Let me explain this to a Libtard of, apparently, limited mental ability:

Point ONE: YOU, Edthecynic, claim that the POOR (or the Libs) are the ones that are paying higher taxes.

Point TWO: If it is actually as YOU claim, that the POOR (or the Libs) are the ones that are paying the higher amount of taxes and therefore by direct implication ARE SUBSIDIZING THE WELFARE OF OUR NATION......then....

POINT THREE: as KittenKorder deftly and LOGICALLY stated that: the POOR (or the "libs") are currently spending a ton of the "cons" money on themselves." because WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT.....in spite of your BIZARRE DELUSION.....the REALITY is that the "CONS" are paying the greater of the taxes as compared to the POOR (i.e. the Libs). IOW, KittenKorder is, at this point, INJECTING REALITY into your mix of DELUSIONS.

LOOK AT THE LEGITIMATE, EASILY VERIFIABLE STATS ON THE PAYMENT OF THE TAXES, in ANY form, from govtal or a plethora of other sources....from Columnar or PIE-Shaped Graphs.....ALL OF THEM IRREFUTABLY CLAIM that the lower 47%, or so PAY ZILCHO or ALMOST ZILCHO as compared to what your "CONS" or the MIDDLE or the RICH do. All this REALITY is confirmed by elaborate, CPA verifiable data taking into consideration ALL types of "taxation" .

GEDDIT ????

So try to stop your TRANSPARENT sophistry.....I know that as a LIB you can't.....BUT TRY ANYWAY !!!

 

[gautama]

why don't we not spend so much and we shouldn't have to tax so much. and why over tax the rich? since when is being rich a crime? isn't that the whole american dream anyway? or has this country lost its way?

colbylloyd,

You are committing the standard error of the RATIONAL people as compared to the NONSENSICAL, ILLOGICAL, even BIZARRE mental processes of the Mentally IMPAIRED Libtards in trying to understand their INSANE - like reactions and deeds with respect to our American ENLIGHTENED CAPITALISTIC DREAM.....The ENLIGHTENED AMERICAN ECONOMIC SYSTEM that made America the GREATEST NATION IN MANKIND'S HISTORY.

This Mental IMPAIRMENT does not mean that the Libtards are all STUPID. Although, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of the lemming-like Libtards are.

There are quite a few of the Libtards with this "Mental IMPAIRMENT" deficiency who are actually quite intelligent.....maybe even BRILLIANT in some areas of expertise.

This latter type of Libtards are exemplified by the ACADEMIA of America. This class of EXTREMELY DANGEROUS WHACKJOBS are generally BRILLIANT in a twisted sorta way depending on their expertise.

ALL of these individuals have a serious CHARACTER DEFECT.

All of these whackjobs have some sort of unfulfilled CHILDHOOD wants or anxieties that have turned them into INWARD RAVING ABNORMALLY FRUSTRATED MANIACS.....carefully disguised as OUTWARDLY SANE, CALM, even PLEASANT, and LIKEABLE human beings.

The PERFECT EXAMPLE of the REPRESENTATIVE of the ACADEMIC PSYCHOS is the UNREPENTANT, HOMICIDAL,MANIACAL TERRORIST Bill Ayers.....other examples are too numerous to mention.... Bill Ayers Wife, a CONVICTED TERRORIST,a whole gaggle of Black Panther ex VIOLENT type PSYCHOS like Angela Davis, etc., and THOUSANDS of NUTSOS like WARD CHURCHILL of 9/11 fame. The substantiation of their universality in the Academia is their staunch and raucous support by the Academia at large... who rise as almost one in their defense.

The greatest book on the topic of ACADEMIA FREAKS is Prof Horowitz's book: " The ProFessors, the 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America." Naturally, the 101 number is simply the number that he could devote a page, or so to.

There are other "BRILLIANT" Libtards as well.

The CLASSIC LIBTARD of this last variety is our sleazy, MARXIST/COMMIE Black Racist Political Charlatan, the OUTWARDLY CHARMING, EVEN BRILLIANT POLITICO.....OBAMI-SALAMI.

We all know Obami-Salami's HORRENDOUS childhood, and upbringing,

Obami-Salami was raised by his mommy whose father was a MARXIST NUTSO. Yep, this is the same MARXIST NUTSO that introduced young Obami-Salami to "FRANK" as narrated in Obami's own book wherein Obami ACKNOWLEDGES "FRANK" as his mentor from age approx 9 thru his early college days. This "FRANK" turned out to be Frank Marshall Davis, the NOTORIOUS COMMIE Poet who tried to change the NAACP into a COMMIE FRONT Organization...but failed.

What about Obami-Salami's MOMMY ?

She happened to be a very emotionally twisted female who longed for INTERRACIAL SEX ... first with an ISLAMIC negro from Africa (i.e. Obami's absconding MARXIST falling down drunk, daddy) then with some ISLAMIC Indonesian. All this was really self-explanatory in that Obami-Salami's mommy was a MARXIST FREAK who in Obamai-Salami's own book repeatedly claimed her HATRED of her own race, and undoubtedly instructed her sonny Obami on a daily basis. What proof ? Obami-Salami himself acknowledges in his book HIS HATRED FOR HIS MOMMY'S RACE. Later, in his Presidential Campaign, that is, of course, obfuscated by Obami-Salami's RACE-NEUTRAL PERSONNA.....and the PC brainwashed NAIVE American Public FELL FOR THAT CRAP.......AND STILL DOES.....in spite of the TWENTY YEAR TENURE of Obami-Salami in the Black Racist Whackjob Rev WRIGHT's TRINITY CHURCH....which not surprisingly was founded by Richard Cone. Richard Cone was the founder of the "BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY" whose main tenet Richard Cone, himself enunciates, loudly and clearly, that ANY CHURCH FOLLOWING A DIFFERENT DOGMA IS: "THE WORK OF WHITE DEVILS AND SHOULD BE DISCARDED."

BTW, the OVERWHELMING NUMBER of the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of Black Churches across America SUBSCRIBE TO THAT "BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY" of Richard Cone. This was evident when shortly after the exposure of Obami-Salami's TWENTY YEAR tenure at Trinity, when Obami proclaimed that the WHACKJOB BLACK RACIST Rev WRIGHT is/was his: "Pastor, Friend, and Mentor"...... there was the Annual Convention of the Black Churches of America. On National TV, these esteemed Black Religious Leaders were slobbering, frantically trying to grab the microphone from the interviewee on the floor to proclaim that: ALL OF THEM NOT ONLY APPROVED OF THE BLACK RACIST WHACKJOB WRIGHT......BUT THAT THEY " UNANIMOUSLY IDOLIZED" HIM."

WADDAYA THINK OF THEM APPLES ?!?!?

I am going to spare the well known and advertised HORRENDOUSLY HIDEOUS UNAMERICAN CORRUPT POLITICAL BACKGROUND of our MARXIST/COMMIE Black Racist Political Charlatan Obami-Salami. Except to briefly mention that:

Obami Salami rose thru the ranks of the COMMIE-ORIENTED, MOB-CONNECTED, NOTORIOUSLY CORRUPT CHICAGO POLITICAL MACHINE. Obami-Salami was in the TOP ECHELON of ACORN in DIRECT CONTACT and supervision of the UNREPENTANT, HOMICIDAL, MANIACAL TERRORIST Bill Ayers .....from whose home Obami-Salami kicked off his Senatorial Campaign.

Obami Salami has the LEFTIEST Senatorial Record in U.S. Senatorial History outdistancing even the OUTRAGEOUS LEFTY.....THE CHAPPAQUIDICK MURDERER Teddy Kennedy.

Obami-Salami visited his BRUTAL MARXIST/COMMIE COUSIN ODINGA, who is the Leader if the Ruling "ORANGE DEMOCRATIC PARTY" of Kenya. ODINGA is known throughout Africa as the "AFRICAN STALIN." Obami-Salami has photo-ops of him smilingly attending Odinga's Party Rallies....the Party's rise to power by documented RAPE and MURDER.
Obami-Salami is seen in African garb, arm in arm, both he and Odinga smiling....and numerous other such familial photo-ops with Obami-Salami MARXIST/COMMIE Kenyan relatives.

ETC., ETC., ETC.,

colbylloyd, my point is that you are typical of the NAIVE, 24/7 Lib Controlled National Media brainwashed rational person that SIMPLY CANNOT FATHOM the seemingly "IMPOSSIBLE TO ACCEPT INDICTMENTS" against the cheesy, sleazy MARXIST/COMMIE Black Racist Political Charlatan Obami-Salami.

Well, I've done my best to analyze this dilemma that the NAIVE, WELL-MEANING, RATIONAL, AMERICAN PUBLIC IS FACING with respect to the cheesy, sleazy MARXIST /COMMIE, Black Racist Political Charlatan Obami-Salami ....... THE ULTIMATE POLITICAL SNAKE-OIL SALESMAN .

 

[gautama]

Now you are just being contentious.
First of all, the link was provided to show even CON$ admit Libs are the more successful achievers. It is only coincidence that CON$ revealed that fact while bragging about their own generosity, otherwise generosity would have never entered this discussion.

And secondly, rather than ME being generous with other peoples money, as he was programmed to reply, a more correct statement would have been, "Libs being generous with other Libs money." Which actually supports my question, "why should CON$ care if Libs tax themselves?"

However, if the poor are the ones paying the higher taxes, then if any of your contentions were half true, the "libs" are currently spending a ton of the "cons" money on themselves.

That doesn't even make sense!!
And if any of your contentions were half logical that would be a vast improvement.

Edthecynic aka The Liberal LOGICIAN....or better still...LOGORHEAN,

The LOGIC involved by KittenKorder is not only better than being "half logical" it is SUPERB LOGIC with a dab of exquisite SARCASM.

Let me explain this to a Libtard of, apparently, limited mental ability:

Point ONE: YOU, Edthecynic, claim that the POOR (or the Libs) are the ones that are paying higher taxes.

Point TWO: If it is actually as YOU claim, that the POOR (or the Libs) are the ones that are paying the higher amount of taxes and therefore by direct implication ARE SUBSIDIZING THE WELFARE OF OUR NATION......then....

POINT THREE: as KittenKorder deftly and LOGICALLY stated that: the POOR (or the "libs") are currently spending a ton of the "cons" money on themselves." because WHETHER YOU REALIZE IT OR NOT.....in spite of your BIZARRE DELUSION.....the REALITY is that the "CONS" are paying the greater of the taxes as compared to the POOR (i.e. the Libs).

LOOK AT THE LEGITIMATE, EASILY VERIFIABLE STATS ON THE PAYMENT OF THE TAXES, in ANY form, from govtal or a plethora of other sources....from Columnar or PIE-Shaped Graphs.....ALL OF THEM IRREFUTABLY CLAIM that the lower 47%, or so PAY ZILCHO or ALMOST ZILCHO as compared to what your "CONS" or the MIDDLE or the RICH do. All this REALITY is confirmed by elaborate, CPA verifiable data taking into consideration ALL types of "taxation" .

GEDDIT ????

So try to stop your TRANSPARENT sophistry.....I know that as a LIB you can't.....BUT TRY ANYWAY !!!

 

[ozzmdj]

Toyota Motor Corp. is moving toward shuttering a California assembly plant it owns jointly with the former General Motors Corp., according to people familiar with the matter.

Just another company that says screw your high taxes and regulations

 

[editec]

End all income taxes.

Run the government on tariffs. If the tariffs won't support it, the government doesn't do it.

Doesn't get any flatter than that, folks.

Who's with me?

Meh ... I just say get rid of all the organizations the government runs and wastes money on, let people make choices themselves, and let the state governments (after giving us people the power again) run things. Hold politicians accountable for their promises and lies, pay them mean wages instead of letting them choose their own, and let businesses stand on their products and services. A little more complex, but that's how it would work best.

Kittenkorder,

Needless to say, I disagree with Edthecynic's Obami-Salami like premises.

As to your conclusion:

There are probably quite a few of us that share your dream.

Alas, it's a dream without any success of even remotely coming into being.

G'luck

PS: just noticed your "Meh...." Is that a typo, or something I don't know about ?

Two points, guatama..

first- edthecynic did not pen that quote. editec did.

Secondly - Obama is in no way shape or form supportive of what I proposed.

So, aside from the fact that you credited the wrong person for my proposal, and competely do no not understand that what I proposed is diametically in opposition to what people like Obama want, your point makes a lot of sense.

Now many so-called libnertarians and conservatives claim that they want a FAIR system of taxation.

I just proposed the fairest system of taxation possible.

You would have total control over how much taxes you pay because all you need do to avioid taxes is to NOT BUY foreign made goods.

In other words, you could keep every fucking cent you made if you purchased wisely.

NO FEDERAL INCOMES TAXES whatever.

Now, does that sound like "Obami-Salami" to you?

FYI, lad, the system I just proposed is the system the founding fathers put into place in 1789.

It lasted for about 150 years until the first Federal income tax was introduced.

 

[HUGGY]

SOAK THE RICH

LOSE THE RICH

LOSE THE RICH

LOSE THE BUSINESSES

LOSE THE BUSINESSES

YOU LOSE YOUR JOBS

LOSE YOUR JOBS

THE MARXIST/COMMIE Obami-Salami GETS HIS DREAM COME TRUE.....THIS POS DESTROYS the ENLIGHTENED CAPITALISTIC SYSTEM

THE ENLIGHTENED CAPITALISTIC SYSTEM THAT MADE AMERICA THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND !!!

You are so stupid it hurts my eyes to see your shit. You have obviously never been rich.

And with your pea brain you never will be.

Rich people do not start buisiness you fucking moron. Rich people make money artificially with the investment of thier money in the stock market. The people that create the most jobs are the middle class. They are the ones with the combination of innovation, motivation and enough capital and credit to take a chance on a new business. Investment in the markets does not create jobs. It just inflates prices.

Huggy,

OBVIOUSLY, you are a COMMIE PISS-ANT.

And, an INTENSELY JEALOUS ONE, at that.

I am not listed in Forbes 400. And, I'm nowhere close to being on that list.

However, my cousin is in the top 40. And those are billionaires.

As for me, my wife and I (and son and daughter), we are ALL in the class that is called "professionals". I can proudly say, that we are the BACKBONE OF AMERICA. We make "good" money. But then we are also being soaked more than ANYONE COMPARABLE TO US, PROPORTIONALLY, even in the SOCIALIZED European countries.

What I am concerned about is that our ENLIGHTENED AMERICAN CAPITALISTIC SYSTEM, the GREATEST ECONOMIC SYSTEM IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND is in a SERIOUS CRISIS BECAUSE OF OBAMI-SALAMI.

Is it PERFECT ????

OF COURSE NOT !!!

It must be tweaked hither and yon.

BUT.......TO HAVE IT BEING OVERTURNED BY A SLEAZY MARXIST/COMMIE Black Racist Political Scoundrel Obami-Salami ....... with his OUTRAGEOUSLY OBVIOUS CORRUPT RISE THRU THE COMMIE-ORIENTED, MOB-CONNECTED CHICAGO POLITICAL MACHINE...TOP ECHELON ACORN INVOLVEMENT WITH SUCH HUMAN GARBAGE LIKE THE UNREPENTANT, HOMICIDAL, MANIACAL TERORIST Bill Ayers, etc.....

That is TOO MUCH !!!!

BTW, to get the correct view of the CRISIS in America, read about my views and those of the Great American - African Scholar from Stanford Univ, Thomas Sowell. GO TO THE SECTION: "RACE RELATIONS/RACISM" , and look up my thread entitled: "Black Racism's ARROGANCE. Part TWO."

Racist