Socialism = Capitalism plus

[Oddball]

And you need both to have a healthy economy middle-class working class etc etc. The last 35 years we have had a giveaway to the rich GOP disaster, except for the rich of course. Only misinformation and propaganda make it possible for silly dupes like you to exist....

People keeping what was theirs in the first place isn't a "giveaway", Karl.

when you have a flat tax system like we do now after 35 years of giveaway to the rich, along with cuts and services and cheap college and training etc etc, what you get is the worst inequality and upward Mobility in our history, dumbass. If you don't like taxes, move to Somalia.

Doesn't change the fact...What I earn is mine, commie fuckchop.

 

[Oddball]

 

[Oddball]

You are confused Moon Bat.

Student debt - your fault, not mine. If you can't afford a college education then don't go to college.

Illness debt - your fault not mine. You are responsible for your own health care bills, not me.

Mortgage default - your fault not mine. Don't buy a house a can't afford.

Inequality debt- really seriously? LOL! SJW bullshit.

Credit card debt - if you can't pay your credit card bill it is your own damn fault, not mine. Don't buy so much shit with your credit card.

Capitalism creates the wealth that allows people to buy things and pay off debt. Socialism destroys wealth and doesn't create a damn thing except economic disaster and state sponsored thievery.

You would know things like this if you ever took a course in Economics. Economics is not exactly the strong suit of you dumbass Moon Bats, is it? You are just as ignorant in that subject as you are in history, ethics, the Constitution, biology and climate science, aren't you?

He knows nothing of economics, the nature of money, nor high finance...IOW, he's a perfect mark for the "democratic socialism" snake oil salesmen.

 

[francoHFW]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

Sure seems to be an easy fix to this mess....move to one of those "happy" places....dumbass.

Unless you are mega rich or married to a citizen, you can't, ignorant brainwashed functional moron. Stop being duped by the give away to the rich brainwashing greedy idiot mega Rich GOP duh.

What? You mean these other countries have laws, rules and regulations that people follow. Dumbass.

yes they have National ID cards unlike the GOP who love cheap easily bullied labor and brainwashing doops like you. Brainwashed functional moron. All other modern countries have a living wage Healthcare day care paid parental leave 5 week vacations good infrastructure cheap college and training and actually tax the rich more percentage-wise than the rest. They are not brainwashed functional morons like you.

 

[Oddball]

yes they have National ID cards unlike the GOP who love cheap easily bullied labor and brainwashing doops like you. Brainwashed functional moron. All other modern countries have a living wage Healthcare day care paid parental leave 5 week vacations good infrastructure cheap college and training and actually tax the rich more percentage-wise than the rest. They are not brainwashed functional morons like you.

Then shut your fat commie mouth and move there.

 

[Flash]

You are confused Moon Bat.

Student debt - your fault, not mine. If you can't afford a college education then don't go to college.

Illness debt - your fault not mine. You are responsible for your own health care bills, not me.

Mortgage default - your fault not mine. Don't buy a house a can't afford.

Inequality debt- really seriously? LOL! SJW bullshit.

Credit card debt - if you can't pay your credit card bill it is your own damn fault, not mine. Don't buy so much shit with your credit card.

Capitalism creates the wealth that allows people to buy things and pay off debt. Socialism destroys wealth and doesn't create a damn thing except economic disaster and state sponsored thievery.

You would know things like this if you ever took a course in Economics. Economics is not exactly the strong suit of you dumbass Moon Bats, is it? You are just as ignorant in that subject as you are in history, ethics, the Constitution, biology and climate science, aren't you?

He knows nothing of economics, the nature of money, nor high finance...IOW, he's a perfect mark for the "democratic socialism" snake oil salesmen.

Socialism promises everything and only delivers disaster at worse and dismal economic growth at best.

For instance, (although that asshole Obama tied his best to ruin it) the relatively more capitalistic US has had twice the annual post WWII economic growth than the more socialistic European countries. That is the best scenario for socialism. The worst is complete failure like we have seen in several other countries.

These greedy envious stupid Moon Bats love the idea of socialism because then they get free stuff that they don't have to work to get. They want other people to pay their bills. Sorry assholes.

 

[daveman]

It's all a big motherfucking game dude, and this partisan bullshit everybody is stuck in prevents us from banding together and striking down the real problems.

Fuck big bipartisan efforts to improve the entire fucking world! SOME MOTHERFUCKER REFUSED TO BAKE A CAKE FOR GAY PEOPLE!!!

Dumb motherfuckers like you want to enforce all your "bright ideas" at the point of a gun.

Fucking despot.

They have to use government violence to enforce their ideas because they can't get rational people to go along voluntarily.

 

[daveman]

One could take your line of thinking and say any form of taxation is advocating violence. Taxes of some sort are necessary to run a nation.

Taxation is coercive in nature - there's no way around it. That's why we should minimize the practice, and only use it when it's truly necessary.

But leftists believe it's truly necessary to buy votes using public money.

 

[dblack]

when you have a flat tax system like we do now after 35 years of giveaway to the rich, along with cuts and services and cheap college and training etc etc, what you get is the worst inequality and upward Mobility in our history, dumbass. If you don't like taxes, move to Somalia.

Doesn't change the fact...What I earn is mine, commie fuckchop.

You didn't earn that! It takes a village (to gang up on you and take your stuff).

 

[daveman]

Once again the lies and straw men...Scandinavia isn't socialist....They all have market-based economies.....A gigantic welfare/vassal state, being taxed to the point that your economies are utterly moribund, nearly non-existent economic mobility and disposable income, is greatly different from The State owning and operating the means of production.

Talk about others not knowing what socialism is.

that is communism not socialism as defined by the modern world for years now, everywhere but here in GOP dupe world.

That is the real problem. These dopers do not understand the core difference between the two. You just pointed it out. Thanks!

Let's see what Vladimir Lenin, who wasn't interested in whitewashing either socialism or Communism to get suckers to fall for them, had to say about it:

The goal of socialism is communism.

 

[daveman]

One could take your line of thinking and say any form of taxation is advocating violence. Taxes of some sort are necessary to run a nation.

Taxation is coercive in nature - there's no way around it. That's why we should minimize the practice, and only use it when it's truly necessary.

When I am taxed for roads, bridges, police, fire departments, clean water, safe food, etc. how is that coercive?

If you don't pay them the government will either take the money from you by force or put you in jail for refusing. Did you really not know that?

If I don't pay them, they won't be putting me in jail, because there was no money paid out to have the jail or the road to take me there.

We pay these things from a need, not because we are forced. Without these services, everything comes to a hault. Are you telling us you do not understand that?

Can you explain to me why you expect anyone besides your fellow Useful Idiots to take you seriously?

 

[daveman]

I guess for myself I just want to enjoy the fruits of my labor, freedom to chose from products derived from a free and open competitive market. Freedom of speech, to live as I so choose. I simply do not wish to have the government dictating how I live.

“Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.”

― Robert A. Heinlein

 

[dblack]

I guess for myself I just want to enjoy the fruits of my labor, freedom to chose from products derived from a free and open competitive market. Freedom of speech, to live as I so choose. I simply do not wish to have the government dictating how I live.

“Political tags — such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth — are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.”

― Robert A. Heinlein

My very favorite Heinlein quote.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

when you have a flat tax system like we do now after 35 years of giveaway to the rich, along with cuts and services and cheap college and training etc etc, what you get is the worst inequality and upward Mobility in our history, dumbass. If you don't like taxes, move to Somalia.

Neither financial equity nor upward mobility are concerns of government.

Don't like it?

Move to North Korea.

.

 

[daveman]

LOL - that's some serious logical deduction right there.

I understand why we might want to pay taxes. But that doesn't change the basic coercive nature of tax laws. Taxes aren't voluntary.

Call it what you want. Without taxes, the country stops moving. That's reality. Your hang up is your own. I just happen to be a realist who knows what it takes for the wheels of civilization to keep moving.

You can complain about taxes being coercive 24/7 if that's your bag, but reality is going to tell you that you'll just have to keep complaining.

That's not really defending your position as much as gloating.

It's reality, not gloating.

Recognizing that taxes are coercive helps us to keep them contained, so that we're not just taxing people so we can take their stuff.

That is a ridiculous analogy. How can something be coercive if it is a necessary must, in order to function in civilized society? Coercive is a verb that automatically cancels itself out, based on a necessity to function. Lol! I'm not sure why you insist on using that descriptive verb for a necessary means? It doesn't make sense?

They use force to collect taxes. How is that not coercive? What do you think will happen if you don't pay the IRS?

Changing the subject is not an intelligent rebuttal. Which is why you are incapable of debate.

You don't want debate. You want instant, unthinking, unquestioning agreement and endorsement.

Aside from Franco, how's that working out for you?

 

[daveman]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

Sure seems to be an easy fix to this mess....move to one of those "happy" places....dumbass.

Unless you are mega rich or married to a citizen, you can't, ignorant brainwashed functional moron. Stop being duped by the give away to the rich brainwashing greedy idiot mega Rich GOP duh.

You mean -- other nations have immigration laws, and it's okay that they enforce them and decide who gets into their countries?

 

[dblack]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

Sure seems to be an easy fix to this mess....move to one of those "happy" places....dumbass.

Unless you are mega rich or married to a citizen, you can't, ignorant brainwashed functional moron. Stop being duped by the give away to the rich brainwashing greedy idiot mega Rich GOP duh.

You mean -- other nations have immigration laws, and it's okay that they enforce them and decide who gets into their countries?

It is ok. If other nation's want to wall themselves off and hide, I'm all for it. But not here. We're better than that.

 

[daveman]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

Sure seems to be an easy fix to this mess....move to one of those "happy" places....dumbass.

Unless you are mega rich or married to a citizen, you can't, ignorant brainwashed functional moron. Stop being duped by the give away to the rich brainwashing greedy idiot mega Rich GOP duh.

You mean -- other nations have immigration laws, and it's okay that they enforce them and decide who gets into their countries?

It is ok. If other nation's want to wall themselves off and hide, I'm all for it. But not here. We're better than that.

We have Americans in need. We can't take care of everybody else, too.

 

[dblack]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

Sure seems to be an easy fix to this mess....move to one of those "happy" places....dumbass.

Unless you are mega rich or married to a citizen, you can't, ignorant brainwashed functional moron. Stop being duped by the give away to the rich brainwashing greedy idiot mega Rich GOP duh.

You mean -- other nations have immigration laws, and it's okay that they enforce them and decide who gets into their countries?

It is ok. If other nation's want to wall themselves off and hide, I'm all for it. But not here. We're better than that.

We have Americans in need. We can't take care of everybody else, too.

Fuck that. Government isn't there to take care of us.

 

[Flash]

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We have Americans in need. We can't take care of everybody else, too.

We don't need the government taking care of "Americans in need".

They need to take care of themselves.

I may chose to help them because I am a generous person but I don't need the friggin government to take my money by force and giving it away to somebody else.