Socialism is evil

[BlackAsCoal]

So MLK was right then but he would be wrong now to be a Republican?

Did you know before 1960 Blacks had a lower illegitimate rate than whites, a higher employment rate than whites and a lower divorce rate than whites


But, yeah sure is a good thing they joined the Democrats

Who said he was right?

Did you know that by 1960 African-Americans began to move into every career endeavor that had been denied to them for almost 400 years?

Did you know that by 1970 African-Americans had more democratic representation in Congress than ALL African-American republican representation from 1970 - 2010 COMBINED.

When was the last time you had THREE .. Reconstruction?

Perhaps you should go play this game with someone else .. someone white who doesn't know history .. like another right-winger like you.

your post has no no point. it is angry racist rhetoric. I dismiss it out of hand.
Come back when you've calmed down. And leave the racist commentary at the door.

Fuck you. Come back to what?

Sorry. I'm immune to your ignorance.

I you had a brain you would have attempted to refute what I said .. but you don't.

c'ya'

 

[Neotrotsky]

I'd like someone to tell me what socialist countries have done for the advancement of the human race? What inventions? Technologies? Capitalism and the potential to make a profit is the driving force behind most of the advancements made at least in the last couple of hundred years Russian, China ect… Have stolen the bulk of their technology from us

Public Education, the government providing access to an education to every child regardless of any ability to pay,

is Socialist.

Name me all the countries of the world without public education that have made major contributions above and beyond those that have come from countries with public education.

-Education is a public good, in today's terms. Therefore not Socialist, the Free market allows for public goods and gov't. Gov'ts build roads as well, that does not make it "socialist"

-Your analogy is too global. For example
Name me all the countries of the world without corportations that have made major contributions above and beyond those that have come from countries with corporations

It is interesting how the Left likes to claim some common accepted thing to rationalize the call for more socialism. Really, when one considers the poor state of Public Education results in the US and how much better Private Schools do, you really should work with some better example.

You "sell" is the same as saying "hey the mail is socialist"
Better yet, if you really want to sell socialism to people use the DMV

As I have said before:

The biggest problem with socialism is the means not necessary the goals or ends. If ones describes the "ends" as everyone having what they need to survive. All politicians try to claim that is what they are doing for the masses.

There are many in the US who claim to be socialists or claim to want the same ends with little understanding or care of the means on how to achieve those goals. They just know we must achieve those goals, at any cost. Which is where the problems come in....

 

[Neotrotsky]

Who said he was right?

Did you know that by 1960 African-Americans began to move into every career endeavor that had been denied to them for almost 400 years?

Did you know that by 1970 African-Americans had more democratic representation in Congress than ALL African-American republican representation from 1970 - 2010 COMBINED.

When was the last time you had THREE .. Reconstruction?

Perhaps you should go play this game with someone else .. someone white who doesn't know history .. like another right-winger like you.

your post has no no point. it is angry racist rhetoric. I dismiss it out of hand.
Come back when you've calmed down. And leave the racist commentary at the door.

Fuck you. Come back to what?

Sorry. I'm immune to your ignorance.

I you had a brain you would have attempted to refute what I said .. but you don't.

c'ya'

As he uses profanity


This is not part of the new "civility" the Left and the MSM is calling for from the people

 

[NYcarbineer]

I'd like someone to tell me what socialist countries have done for the advancement of the human race? What inventions? Technologies? Capitalism and the potential to make a profit is the driving force behind most of the advancements made at least in the last couple of hundred years Russian, China ect… Have stolen the bulk of their technology from us

Public Education, the government providing access to an education to every child regardless of any ability to pay,

is Socialist.

Name me all the countries of the world without public education that have made major contributions above and beyond those that have come from countries with public education.

-Education is a public good, in today's terms. Therefore not Socialist, the Free market allows for public goods and gov't. Gov'ts build roads as well, that does not make it "socialist"

You're an idiot. Is universal government funded healthcare a public good? And therefore not Socialist?

jeezus

 

[Neotrotsky]

Public Education, the government providing access to an education to every child regardless of any ability to pay,

is Socialist.

Name me all the countries of the world without public education that have made major contributions above and beyond those that have come from countries with public education.

-Education is a public good, in today's terms. Therefore not Socialist, the Free market allows for public goods and gov't. Gov'ts build roads as well, that does not make it "socialist"

You're an idiot. Is universal government funded healthcare a public good? And therefore not Socialist?

jeezus

Perhaps,
more likely your lack of understanding of economics is the "culprit" here

In either case, you made a poor example to "sell" socialism. Next time try the post office to show us how good


Like I said before and your postings are some proof of that...



The biggest problem with socialism is the means not necessary the goals or ends. If ones describes the "ends" as everyone having what they need to survive. All politicians try to claim that is what they are doing for the masses.

There are many in the US who claim to be socialists or claim to want the same ends with little understanding or care of the means on how to achieve those goals. They just know we must achieve those goals, at any cost. Which is where the problems come in....

 

[NYcarbineer]

-Education is a public good, in today's terms. Therefore not Socialist, the Free market allows for public goods and gov't. Gov'ts build roads as well, that does not make it "socialist"

You're an idiot. Is universal government funded healthcare a public good? And therefore not Socialist?

jeezus

Perhaps,
more likely your lack of understanding of economics is the "culprit" here

[/I]

You didn't answer the question. Is universal government funded healthcare a public good or not? Is the overall health of the nation a public good?

 

[Neotrotsky]

You're an idiot. Is universal government funded healthcare a public good? And therefore not Socialist?

jeezus

Perhaps,
more likely your lack of understanding of economics is the "culprit" here

[/i]

You didn't answer the question. Is universal government funded health care a public good or not? Is the overall health of the nation a public good?

Did you answer mine on corporations? (it was rhetorical anyway)



I have heard no good arguments that would qualify it to be described as a public good in economic terms.

As such, I believe it best to let as much competition in the market for it and since it is not enumerated in the Constitution, allow States to decide on the type of health care it wants for its people.

For example, I have no problem with way the Massachusetts model was implemented, legally. It has turned out to be a failure; but that is something of the people of that state to fix. Probably a good thing their model was not forced on all the states, well not yet.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Yes make each parent pay the full cost of their childs education.
Darn evil socialism.

Parents paying for their childrens education should soley be the parents choice. Whenever gov't. dictates that you do something it is socialism, and in this country it is wrong.

 

[AmericanFirst]

The US is a socialist nation

We have a socialist retirement system (Social Security), health care (Medicare, Medicaid, and now Obamcare), military, fire depts, police dept, socialized supply of food, water, and electricity, socialized communications systems (telephone, cable, tv, internet), weather service, socialist transportation systems (roads and highways, Amtrack, airports and air traffic controllers) and on and on

We also have a solialist tax system (ie a progressive income tax)

Wingnuts hate the US so much they call it "evil"

Who created the socialist welfare system? It was a socialist named FDR! The left is responsible for ruining this country, period!!!

 

[AmericanFirst]

which is still socialism.
Most parents school taxes paid do not come near to the actual const of educating their child. If they did people without children would not have to pay any school tax.

Not at all, it is no more "socialist" than say the military.
The free market allows for things public goods and natural monopolies.
It is nothing more than creating access to a "public good"

Granted, one could argue that it is statist but socialist, no.

It is smarter move and more market orientated than say creating a huge Federal Dep't that spends a lot of money and has little to show for it

sort of like we have now

umm, the military is 100% socialist.

So are public schools. 100% socialist

It's a socialist nation. The rightwingers lost. Get over it!

You have no clue do you? Leftwingers lost the last election.

 

[shintao]

The US is a socialist nation

We have a socialist retirement system (Social Security), health care (Medicare, Medicaid, and now Obamcare), military, fire depts, police dept, socialized supply of food, water, and electricity, socialized communications systems (telephone, cable, tv, internet), weather service, socialist transportation systems (roads and highways, Amtrack, airports and air traffic controllers) and on and on

We also have a solialist tax system (ie a progressive income tax)

Wingnuts hate the US so much they call it "evil"

Who created the socialist welfare system? It was a socialist named FDR! The left is responsible for ruining this country, period!!!

FDR was way to late!!!! LMAO!!

"It is therefore of necessity left to the discretion of the National Legislature, to pronounce, upon the objects, which concern the general Welfare, and for which under that description, an appropriation of money is requisite and proper." Alexander Hamilton

 

[shintao]

Not at all, it is no more "socialist" than say the military.
The free market allows for things public goods and natural monopolies.
It is nothing more than creating access to a "public good"

Granted, one could argue that it is statist but socialist, no.

It is smarter move and more market orientated than say creating a huge Federal Dep't that spends a lot of money and has little to show for it

sort of like we have now

umm, the military is 100% socialist.

So are public schools. 100% socialist

It's a socialist nation. The rightwingers lost. Get over it!

You have no clue do you? Leftwingers lost the last election.

And you lost the election before that one, so I guess your days are numbered, huh? LMAO!!

 

[sangha]

Socialism is evil

Walter E. Williams


What is socialism? We miss the boat if we say it's the agenda of left-wingers and Democrats. According to Marxist doctrine, socialism is a stage of society between capitalism and communism where private ownership and control over property are eliminated. The essence of socialism is the attenuation and ultimate abolition of private property rights. Attacks on private property include, but are not limited to, confiscating the rightful property of one person and giving it to another to whom it doesn't belong. When this is done privately, we call it theft. When it's done collectively, we use euphemisms: income transfers or redistribution. It's not just left-wingers and Democrats who call for and admire socialism but right-wingers and Republicans as well.

Republicans and right-wingers support taking the earnings of one American and giving them to farmers, banks, airlines and other failing businesses. Democrats and left-wingers support taking the earnings of one American and giving them to poor people, cities and artists. Both agree on taking one American's earnings to give to another; they simply differ on the recipients. This kind of congressional activity constitutes at least two-thirds of the federal budget.

Regardless of the purpose, such behavior is immoral. It's a reduced form of slavery. After all, what is the essence of slavery? It's the forceful use of one person to serve the purposes of another person. When Congress, through the tax code, takes the earnings of one person and turns around to give it to another person in the forms of prescription drugs, Social Security, food stamps, farm subsidies or airline bailouts, it is forcibly using one person to serve the purposes of another.

The moral question stands out in starker relief when we acknowledge that those spending programs coming out of Congress do not represent lawmakers reaching into their own pockets and sending out the money. Moreover, there's no tooth fairy or Santa Claus giving them the money. The fact that government has no resources of its very own forces us to acknowledge that the only way government can give one American a dollar is to first -- through intimidation, threats and coercion -- take that dollar from some other American.

Some might rejoin that all of this is a result of a democratic process and it's legal. Legality alone is no guide for a moral people. There are many things in this world that have been, or are, legal but clearly immoral. Slavery was legal. Did that make it moral? South Africa's apartheid, Nazi persecution of Jews, and Stalinist and Maoist purges were all legal, but did that make them moral?

Can a moral case be made for taking the rightful property of one American and giving it to another to whom it does not belong? I think not. That's why socialism is evil. It uses evil means (coercion) to achieve what are seen as good ends (helping people). We might also note that an act that is inherently evil does not become moral simply because there's a majority consensus.




Socialism is evil

Well, according to the OP, George Washington, Alexander Hamilton and of course, the worst, Thomas Paine were theives.

You don't like paying taxes, huh? Motivated by single-minded greed?

You live in a soceity, and everything that you own is because of the hardwork and sacrifices of the people in that soceity and only in accordance with that soceity's rules. One of which is: you have to pay taxes.

If you don't like it, you are free to move into the deep amazon or perhaps to Antartica. Let's see how much wealth you accumulate there!

Wake up an smell the reality, idiot!

our taxes are supposed to be used to fund the essental functions of government not to fund all these liberal social programs, thats not supposed to be the role of OUR Federal government.

Too bad!! We socialists have won, and we're going to use YOUR MONEY to build our socialist paradise.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

your post has no no point. it is angry racist rhetoric. I dismiss it out of hand.
Come back when you've calmed down. And leave the racist commentary at the door.

Fuck you. Come back to what?

Sorry. I'm immune to your ignorance.

I you had a brain you would have attempted to refute what I said .. but you don't.

c'ya'

As he uses profanity


This is not part of the new "civility" the Left and the MSM is calling for from the people

How many times are you going to try to hide behind that bullshit.

The mindfuck call for "civility" did not come from the left .. did not come from me .. it came from democrats .. which is not the left, which is not me.

I am not a democrat, don't follow their lead, don't look to them for strategy. I couldn't care less about illusions of civility.

Additionally, any screaming about me being a racist that comes from right-wingers, including any that come from you, are going to be met with "fuck you."

You knuckleheads not only have a long and undeniable shitstain history of racism in this country, you're also dumb enough to believe that you, the racists, get to call anyone who doesn't listen to your lobotomized thought, a racist.

Too damn dumb to actually challenge what is said.

Go play with someone else junior .. I don't suffer fools.

 

[thereisnospoon]

When public power is eliminated, all people are slaves to the corporation

Public power is inexorably tied to private property rights.
Without the right to own property, we are nothing.
BTW, any attempt by any of you class any lilly livered libs to take what is mine will be dispatched swiftly with extreme prejudice.

What property are we talking about here? Government can take anything you think you own now, and at best rent it to your use. When you don't pay the tax-rent, your ass is out and your property is on the public auction block, along with the Title. Does that make you nothing?

maybe government can take YOUR property without due process and just compensation, but where I live, that is just not the case.
You are so focused on government being in total control of your life, you've convinced yourself you must comply and succumb. In your mind, you are already a "subject".
Ef that.....Come get ya some.

 

[thereisnospoon]

When public power is eliminated, all people are slaves to the corporation

Public power is inexorably tied to private property rights.
Without the right to own property, we are nothing.
BTW, any attempt by any of you class any lilly livered libs to take what is mine will be dispatched swiftly with extreme prejudice.

You don't have anything anyone wants.

Your post is rejected.

 

[sangha]

Public power is inexorably tied to private property rights.
Without the right to own property, we are nothing.
BTW, any attempt by any of you class any lilly livered libs to take what is mine will be dispatched swiftly with extreme prejudice.

What property are we talking about here? Government can take anything you think you own now, and at best rent it to your use. When you don't pay the tax-rent, your ass is out and your property is on the public auction block, along with the Title. Does that make you nothing?

maybe government can take YOUR property without due process and just compensation, but where I live, that is just not the case.
You are so focused on government being in total control of your life, you've convinced yourself you must comply and succumb. In your mind, you are already a "subject".
Ef that.....Come get ya some.

Every year the govt takes your money. No due process and no compensation, just or unjust.

And just try to not pay your taxes, and see where your property ends up

 

[thereisnospoon]

Who said he was right?

Did you know that by 1960 African-Americans began to move into every career endeavor that had been denied to them for almost 400 years?

Did you know that by 1970 African-Americans had more democratic representation in Congress than ALL African-American republican representation from 1970 - 2010 COMBINED.

When was the last time you had THREE .. Reconstruction?

Perhaps you should go play this game with someone else .. someone white who doesn't know history .. like another right-winger like you.

your post has no no point. it is angry racist rhetoric. I dismiss it out of hand.
Come back when you've calmed down. And leave the racist commentary at the door.

Fuck you. Come back to what?

Sorry. I'm immune to your ignorance.

I you had a brain you would have attempted to refute what I said .. but you don't.

c'ya'

"Fuck you"?.....I win!
I hit a nerve. You know you are wrong here and so you lash out with an obscenity.
No class.
I do not have to "refute"anything. I am not going to waste our time attempting to prove a negative.
You made the claims. You back them up with facts.
You have your assignment. Get to work or remain outside.
"Fuck you"....Yeah, who is the ignorant one?.....Sheesh. This is much too easy.
Oh, spare me the racist clap trap.

 

[sangha]

I do not have to "refute"anything.

You can't refute anything. That's why you never do.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Public Education, the government providing access to an education to every child regardless of any ability to pay,

is Socialist.

Name me all the countries of the world without public education that have made major contributions above and beyond those that have come from countries with public education.

-Education is a public good, in today's terms. Therefore not Socialist, the Free market allows for public goods and gov't. Gov'ts build roads as well, that does not make it "socialist"

You're an idiot. Is universal government funded healthcare a public good? And therefore not Socialist?

jeezus

Universal or single payer is defined as "socialized medicine"....What is it you want now?