Stop Blaming Israel For the Gaza War

[georgephillip]

Maybe you should go back to pictures?

And keep in mind there are about 13 million Jews on the planet and a hundred times as many Muslims. In Palestine there are currently equal numbers of Jews and Arabs, but Jews are reluctant to share the land and resources equally. B-D-S?

Error:
Not B-D-S, FAILED B-D-S.

I heard the same wishful thinking from racists who supported White South Africa three decades ago; why do bigots always back the wrong side?

"Fact sheet: The case for a military embargo on Israel

"Israel’s illegal use of military violence

"– Israel uses military force to maintain an unlawful regime of occupation, colonialism and apartheid.

"This system is put in place in order to control as much land with as few indigenous Palestinians on it as possible, and to prevent the Palestinian people from exercising its inalienable right to self-determination.

"– Between 2000 and 2010 alone, Israeli armed forces injured tens of thousands and killed more than 7,000 Palestinians.

"– Israel has a documented track record of breaching international humanitarian and human rights law during its armed conflicts. This includes during its military operations, invasions and occupations of Palestinian and other Arab territory.

"Israel’s wars are acts of aggression, rather than 'self-defence', and are therefore in violation of international law.

"Israel’s military forces have officially adopted a doctrine of disproportionate force, otherwise known as the 'Dahiya Doctrine', which calls for severely hurting civilians and civilian infrastructure as the most 'effective' means of stopping or undermining irregular resistance forces.

"The UN and other bodies have repeatedly documented war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Fact sheet: The case for a military embargo on Israel | BDSmovement.net

 

[protectionist]

maybe you should go back to brown bags and park benches

What's in the brown bag?

For you, it might be a bomb.

 

[Phoenall]

And keep in mind there are about 13 million Jews on the planet and a hundred times as many Muslims. In Palestine there are currently equal numbers of Jews and Arabs, but Jews are reluctant to share the land and resources equally. B-D-S?

Error:
Not B-D-S, FAILED B-D-S.

I heard the same wishful thinking from racists who supported White South Africa three decades ago; why do bigots always back the wrong side?

"Fact sheet: The case for a military embargo on Israel

"Israel’s illegal use of military violence

"– Israel uses military force to maintain an unlawful regime of occupation, colonialism and apartheid.

"This system is put in place in order to control as much land with as few indigenous Palestinians on it as possible, and to prevent the Palestinian people from exercising its inalienable right to self-determination.

"– Between 2000 and 2010 alone, Israeli armed forces injured tens of thousands and killed more than 7,000 Palestinians.

"– Israel has a documented track record of breaching international humanitarian and human rights law during its armed conflicts. This includes during its military operations, invasions and occupations of Palestinian and other Arab territory.

"Israel’s wars are acts of aggression, rather than 'self-defence', and are therefore in violation of international law.

"Israel’s military forces have officially adopted a doctrine of disproportionate force, otherwise known as the 'Dahiya Doctrine', which calls for severely hurting civilians and civilian infrastructure as the most 'effective' means of stopping or undermining irregular resistance forces.

"The UN and other bodies have repeatedly documented war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Fact sheet: The case for a military embargo on Israel | BDSmovement.net

Not illegal according to INTERNATIONAL LAW and the GENEVA CONVENTIONS

The occupation was declared legal under the Geneva Conventions. No evidence of any colonialism or apartheid

The Palestinians exercise their right to self determination when they refuse to take peace and mutual borders without pre conditions

Such things happen in war, and the palestinians were the one to declare war.

Then you will be able to provide a link to their court case at the Hague on these charges

International law says that if you are attacked you can respond with military force, that is the situation the PA attack and Israel replies.

LINK

LINK


The source says it all now find a non partisan source for the same LIBELS and you will be of the hook.

 

[Challenger]

... The occupation was declared legal under the Geneva Conventions. No evidence of any colonialism or apartheid...

Only on Phoney's planet.

 

[protectionist]

The Hamas Charter is an outdated document no longer followed.

How about a link from hamas themselves that says the hamas charter is outdated and no longer followed. Cant wait to read the new one that is not outdated and is followed.

I was going to give you a WIKI link but you got Tony Blair and the ADL wording in it, so heres another ,

http://file.insightturkey.com/Files/Pdf/insight_turkey_vol_11_no_4_2009_nimer.pdf

Today’s leaders of Hamas recognize the undiplomatic nature of the Charter’s
language. Musa Abu-Marzook wrote defensively: “As for the 1988 charter, if every
state or movement were to be judged solely by its foundational, revolutionary
documents or the ideas of its progenitors, there would be a good deal to answer
for on all sides.”16 Khalid Mish’al called the old Charter an “outdated document”
that does not bind Hamas to anything.17 He cited the early Zionist thinkers who
advocated the expulsion of Arabs from their lands. Instead of formally adopting a
new document that represents the broad base of Hamas, leaders of the group use
indirect tactics. A recent profile refers to changes in Hamas in terms of ideological
rigidity and political flexibility.18

Our message to the Israelis is this: we do not fight you because you belong to a certain
faith or culture. Jews have lived in the Muslim world for 13 centuries in peace and harmony;

they are in our religion “the people of the book” who have a covenant from God
and His Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) to be respected and protected.
Our conflict with you is not religious but political. We have no problem with Jews
who have not attacked us - our problem is with those who came to our land, imposed
themselves on us by force, destroyed our society and banished our people… We shall
never recogni[z]e the right of any power to rob us of our land and deny us our national
rights. We shall never recogni[z]e the legitimacy of a Zionist state created on our soil
in order to atone for somebody else’s sins or solve somebody else’s problem. But if you
are willing to accept the principle of a long-term truce, we are prepared to negotiate
the terms. Hamas is extending a hand of peace to those who are truly interested in a
peace based on justice.25

In order for the future Palestine to function properly under international law, the
Palestinians do not have to agree that

(this is still rather bias) but let me ask do Jews still stone adulterers?

Hamas wants to negotiate because they want to be seen as a legitimate entity in all this warfare. How stupid of them. Do they really think the Israelis are that stupid ? Do they think the USA is that stupid ? Even Muslim ass-kisser Obama isn't giving in to their little ploys.

Everyone knows Hamas is a terrorist group of uncivilized, barbaric, lying savages, and that negotiation with terrorists is unacceptable. You don't negotiate with terrorists. You fight them. You kill them. You exterminate them. 100%. Which is just what Israel is rightfully doing right now. And the Palestinians should be thanking the Israelis for not carpet-bombing and/or nuking them right now, as other rogues had happen to them (ex. the Japs and Nazis in World War II)

PS - EARTH TO MOHAMMED (using the western name "Penelope") . The Israelis LEFT Gaza in 2005. There's not an Israeli soldier, settler or Jew living in Gaza now.

 

[protectionist]

... The occupation was declared legal under the Geneva Conventions. No evidence of any colonialism or apartheid...

Only on Phoney's planet.

There is no "occupation". There is only Islamic jihad being waged by uncivilized, barbaric, savage idiots known as Hamas.

 

[georgephillip]

Error:
Not B-D-S, FAILED B-D-S.

I heard the same wishful thinking from racists who supported White South Africa three decades ago; why do bigots always back the wrong side?

"Fact sheet: The case for a military embargo on Israel

"Israel’s illegal use of military violence

"– Israel uses military force to maintain an unlawful regime of occupation, colonialism and apartheid.

"This system is put in place in order to control as much land with as few indigenous Palestinians on it as possible, and to prevent the Palestinian people from exercising its inalienable right to self-determination.

"– Between 2000 and 2010 alone, Israeli armed forces injured tens of thousands and killed more than 7,000 Palestinians.

"– Israel has a documented track record of breaching international humanitarian and human rights law during its armed conflicts. This includes during its military operations, invasions and occupations of Palestinian and other Arab territory.

"Israel’s wars are acts of aggression, rather than 'self-defence', and are therefore in violation of international law.

"Israel’s military forces have officially adopted a doctrine of disproportionate force, otherwise known as the 'Dahiya Doctrine', which calls for severely hurting civilians and civilian infrastructure as the most 'effective' means of stopping or undermining irregular resistance forces.

"The UN and other bodies have repeatedly documented war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Fact sheet: The case for a military embargo on Israel | BDSmovement.net

Not illegal according to INTERNATIONAL LAW and the GENEVA CONVENTIONS

The occupation was declared legal under the Geneva Conventions. No evidence of any colonialism or apartheid

The Palestinians exercise their right to self determination when they refuse to take peace and mutual borders without pre conditions

Such things happen in war, and the palestinians were the one to declare war.

Then you will be able to provide a link to their court case at the Hague on these charges

International law says that if you are attacked you can respond with military force, that is the situation the PA attack and Israel replies.

LINK

LINK


The source says it all now find a non partisan source for the same LIBELS and you will be of the hook.

Tell us what your imaginary, undocumented version of international law has to say about the legality of a state (Israel) simultaneously exercising control over a territory it occupies (Gaza) AND claiming the right to militarily attack civilians it is required to protect?

You are smart enough to understand Gaza is not a sovereign state, aren't you?

 

[georgephillip]

... The occupation was declared legal under the Geneva Conventions. No evidence of any colonialism or apartheid...

Only on Phoney's planet.

There is no "occupation". There is only Islamic jihad being waged by uncivilized, barbaric, savage idiots known as Hamas.

The UN, US, assorted human rights organizations along with most states agree Israel illegally occupies the West Bank by virtue of its filling the West Bank with hundreds of thousands of illegal squatters.

Gaza is also occupied by Israel's control of Gazan airspace, coastal waters, electromagnetic sphere, and population registry.

Jews have proven by their actions over the past 66 years they want all the land between the River and the sea for Jews alone, or with the absolute minimum of non-Jews living there as possible.

Occupation is how Jews intend to make that happen.

 

[Penelope]

How about a link from hamas themselves that says the hamas charter is outdated and no longer followed. Cant wait to read the new one that is not outdated and is followed.

I was going to give you a WIKI link but you got Tony Blair and the ADL wording in it, so heres another ,

http://file.insightturkey.com/Files/Pdf/insight_turkey_vol_11_no_4_2009_nimer.pdf

Today’s leaders of Hamas recognize the undiplomatic nature of the Charter’s
language. Musa Abu-Marzook wrote defensively: “As for the 1988 charter, if every
state or movement were to be judged solely by its foundational, revolutionary
documents or the ideas of its progenitors, there would be a good deal to answer
for on all sides.”16 Khalid Mish’al called the old Charter an “outdated document”
that does not bind Hamas to anything.17 He cited the early Zionist thinkers who
advocated the expulsion of Arabs from their lands. Instead of formally adopting a
new document that represents the broad base of Hamas, leaders of the group use
indirect tactics. A recent profile refers to changes in Hamas in terms of ideological
rigidity and political flexibility.18

Our message to the Israelis is this: we do not fight you because you belong to a certain
faith or culture. Jews have lived in the Muslim world for 13 centuries in peace and harmony;

they are in our religion “the people of the book” who have a covenant from God
and His Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) to be respected and protected.
Our conflict with you is not religious but political. We have no problem with Jews
who have not attacked us - our problem is with those who came to our land, imposed
themselves on us by force, destroyed our society and banished our people… We shall
never recogni[z]e the right of any power to rob us of our land and deny us our national
rights. We shall never recogni[z]e the legitimacy of a Zionist state created on our soil
in order to atone for somebody else’s sins or solve somebody else’s problem. But if you
are willing to accept the principle of a long-term truce, we are prepared to negotiate
the terms. Hamas is extending a hand of peace to those who are truly interested in a
peace based on justice.25

In order for the future Palestine to function properly under international law, the
Palestinians do not have to agree that

(this is still rather bias) but let me ask do Jews still stone adulterers?

Hamas wants to negotiate because they want to be seen as a legitimate entity in all this warfare. How stupid of them. Do they really think the Israelis are that stupid ? Do they think the USA is that stupid ? Even Muslim ass-kisser Obama isn't giving in to their little ploys.

Everyone knows Hamas is a terrorist group of uncivilized, barbaric, lying savages, and that negotiation with terrorists is unacceptable. You don't negotiate with terrorists. You fight them. You kill them. You exterminate them. 100%. Which is just what Israel is rightfully doing right now. And the Palestinians should be thanking the Israelis for not carpet-bombing and/or nuking them right now, as other rogues had happen to them (ex. the Japs and Nazis in World War II)

PS - EARTH TO MOHAMMED (using the western name "Penelope") . The Israelis LEFT Gaza in 2005. There's not an Israeli soldier, settler or Jew living in Gaza now.

The Israelis IDF went in scavenging the houses and everything after the teens went missing, under pretense of looking for missing teens, stealing money and killing 9 and "kidnapping over 450" . The IDF lords over the gazans and west bank people , yes people, not insects or savages, human beings. They kill kids and think nothing of it.

Its one thing for the Government of Israel to do what they do and find it disgusting, but what I find even more is what some jews say and their attitude about the Palestinians, like they are scum bag animals and insects. I just can't believe it to tell you the truth how anyone can condone this kind of killing.

 

[protectionist]

I was going to give you a WIKI link but you got Tony Blair and the ADL wording in it, so heres another ,

http://file.insightturkey.com/Files/Pdf/insight_turkey_vol_11_no_4_2009_nimer.pdf

Today’s leaders of Hamas recognize the undiplomatic nature of the Charter’s
language. Musa Abu-Marzook wrote defensively: “As for the 1988 charter, if every
state or movement were to be judged solely by its foundational, revolutionary
documents or the ideas of its progenitors, there would be a good deal to answer
for on all sides.”16 Khalid Mish’al called the old Charter an “outdated document”
that does not bind Hamas to anything.17 He cited the early Zionist thinkers who
advocated the expulsion of Arabs from their lands. Instead of formally adopting a
new document that represents the broad base of Hamas, leaders of the group use
indirect tactics. A recent profile refers to changes in Hamas in terms of ideological
rigidity and political flexibility.18

Our message to the Israelis is this: we do not fight you because you belong to a certain
faith or culture. Jews have lived in the Muslim world for 13 centuries in peace and harmony;

they are in our religion “the people of the book” who have a covenant from God
and His Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) to be respected and protected.
Our conflict with you is not religious but political. We have no problem with Jews
who have not attacked us - our problem is with those who came to our land, imposed
themselves on us by force, destroyed our society and banished our people… We shall
never recogni[z]e the right of any power to rob us of our land and deny us our national
rights. We shall never recogni[z]e the legitimacy of a Zionist state created on our soil
in order to atone for somebody else’s sins or solve somebody else’s problem. But if you
are willing to accept the principle of a long-term truce, we are prepared to negotiate
the terms. Hamas is extending a hand of peace to those who are truly interested in a
peace based on justice.25

In order for the future Palestine to function properly under international law, the
Palestinians do not have to agree that

(this is still rather bias) but let me ask do Jews still stone adulterers?

Hamas wants to negotiate because they want to be seen as a legitimate entity in all this warfare. How stupid of them. Do they really think the Israelis are that stupid ? Do they think the USA is that stupid ? Even Muslim ass-kisser Obama isn't giving in to their little ploys.

Everyone knows Hamas is a terrorist group of uncivilized, barbaric, lying savages, and that negotiation with terrorists is unacceptable. You don't negotiate with terrorists. You fight them. You kill them. You exterminate them. 100%. Which is just what Israel is rightfully doing right now. And the Palestinians should be thanking the Israelis for not carpet-bombing and/or nuking them right now, as other rogues had happen to them (ex. the Japs and Nazis in World War II)

PS - EARTH TO MOHAMMED (using the western name "Penelope") . The Israelis LEFT Gaza in 2005. There's not an Israeli soldier, settler or Jew living in Gaza now.

The Israelis IDF went in scavenging the houses and everything after the teens went missing, under pretense of looking for missing teens, stealing money and killing 9 and "kidnapping over 450" . The IDF lords over the gazans and west bank people , yes people, not insects or savages, human beings. They kill kids and think nothing of it.

Its one thing for the Government of Israel to do what they do and find it disgusting, but what I find even more is what some jews say and their attitude about the Palestinians, like they are scum bag animals and insects. I just can't believe it to tell you the truth how anyone can condone this kind of killing.

Since (unlike Christianity) it is OK to lie in Islam, I have to admit I don't believe a word of this. For that matter Mohammed, where did you pick up that American sounding name (Penelope) ? Are you a fan of the hottie actress, Penelope Ann Miller ?

 

[Phoenall]

... The occupation was declared legal under the Geneva Conventions. No evidence of any colonialism or apartheid...

Only on Phoney's planet.

The UN and other international bodies declared Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem occupied. Officially they’re called Palestinian Territories or Occupied Palestinian Territory. Israel is called an Occupying Power.


The ICJ, Security Council and General Assembly consider East Jerusalem part of the West Bank. It’s occupied territory. Its residents are protected persons



Try wading your way through this to see were it applies and why it makes the occupation legal

Israeli occupation and international humanitarian law - Conf. of High Contracting Parties to 4th Geneva

Then look at the Oslo accords for ratification of the terms agreed with the PLO.

 

[Phoenall]

How about a link from hamas themselves that says the hamas charter is outdated and no longer followed. Cant wait to read the new one that is not outdated and is followed.

I was going to give you a WIKI link but you got Tony Blair and the ADL wording in it, so heres another ,

http://file.insightturkey.com/Files/Pdf/insight_turkey_vol_11_no_4_2009_nimer.pdf

Today’s leaders of Hamas recognize the undiplomatic nature of the Charter’s
language. Musa Abu-Marzook wrote defensively: “As for the 1988 charter, if every
state or movement were to be judged solely by its foundational, revolutionary
documents or the ideas of its progenitors, there would be a good deal to answer
for on all sides.”16 Khalid Mish’al called the old Charter an “outdated document”
that does not bind Hamas to anything.17 He cited the early Zionist thinkers who
advocated the expulsion of Arabs from their lands. Instead of formally adopting a
new document that represents the broad base of Hamas, leaders of the group use
indirect tactics. A recent profile refers to changes in Hamas in terms of ideological
rigidity and political flexibility.18

Our message to the Israelis is this: we do not fight you because you belong to a certain
faith or culture. Jews have lived in the Muslim world for 13 centuries in peace and harmony;

they are in our religion “the people of the book” who have a covenant from God
and His Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) to be respected and protected.
Our conflict with you is not religious but political. We have no problem with Jews
who have not attacked us - our problem is with those who came to our land, imposed
themselves on us by force, destroyed our society and banished our people… We shall
never recogni[z]e the right of any power to rob us of our land and deny us our national
rights. We shall never recogni[z]e the legitimacy of a Zionist state created on our soil
in order to atone for somebody else’s sins or solve somebody else’s problem. But if you
are willing to accept the principle of a long-term truce, we are prepared to negotiate
the terms. Hamas is extending a hand of peace to those who are truly interested in a
peace based on justice.25

In order for the future Palestine to function properly under international law, the
Palestinians do not have to agree that

(this is still rather bias) but let me ask do Jews still stone adulterers?

Hamas wants to negotiate because they want to be seen as a legitimate entity in all this warfare. How stupid of them. Do they really think the Israelis are that stupid ? Do they think the USA is that stupid ? Even Muslim ass-kisser Obama isn't giving in to their little ploys.

Everyone knows Hamas is a terrorist group of uncivilized, barbaric, lying savages, and that negotiation with terrorists is unacceptable. You don't negotiate with terrorists. You fight them. You kill them. You exterminate them. 100%. Which is just what Israel is rightfully doing right now. And the Palestinians should be thanking the Israelis for not carpet-bombing and/or nuking them right now, as other rogues had happen to them (ex. the Japs and Nazis in World War II)

PS - EARTH TO MOHAMMED (using the western name "Penelope") . The Israelis LEFT Gaza in 2005. There's not an Israeli soldier, settler or Jew living in Gaza now.

Here is the hamas charter that is quoted today as being the object of hamas and the conquest of the world.

Palestine Center - The Charter of the Hamas

 

[Phoenall]

I heard the same wishful thinking from racists who supported White South Africa three decades ago; why do bigots always back the wrong side?

"Fact sheet: The case for a military embargo on Israel

"Israel’s illegal use of military violence

"– Israel uses military force to maintain an unlawful regime of occupation, colonialism and apartheid.

"This system is put in place in order to control as much land with as few indigenous Palestinians on it as possible, and to prevent the Palestinian people from exercising its inalienable right to self-determination.

"– Between 2000 and 2010 alone, Israeli armed forces injured tens of thousands and killed more than 7,000 Palestinians.

"– Israel has a documented track record of breaching international humanitarian and human rights law during its armed conflicts. This includes during its military operations, invasions and occupations of Palestinian and other Arab territory.

"Israel’s wars are acts of aggression, rather than 'self-defence', and are therefore in violation of international law.

"Israel’s military forces have officially adopted a doctrine of disproportionate force, otherwise known as the 'Dahiya Doctrine', which calls for severely hurting civilians and civilian infrastructure as the most 'effective' means of stopping or undermining irregular resistance forces.

"The UN and other bodies have repeatedly documented war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Fact sheet: The case for a military embargo on Israel | BDSmovement.net

Not illegal according to INTERNATIONAL LAW and the GENEVA CONVENTIONS

The occupation was declared legal under the Geneva Conventions. No evidence of any colonialism or apartheid

The Palestinians exercise their right to self determination when they refuse to take peace and mutual borders without pre conditions

Such things happen in war, and the palestinians were the one to declare war.

Then you will be able to provide a link to their court case at the Hague on these charges

International law says that if you are attacked you can respond with military force, that is the situation the PA attack and Israel replies.

LINK

LINK


The source says it all now find a non partisan source for the same LIBELS and you will be of the hook.

Tell us what your imaginary, undocumented version of international law has to say about the legality of a state (Israel) simultaneously exercising control over a territory it occupies (Gaza) AND claiming the right to militarily attack civilians it is required to protect?

You are smart enough to understand Gaza is not a sovereign state, aren't you?

You are smart enough to realise that Israel gave up gaza in August 2005 and has not occupied the land since then. They are legally allowed to respond to attacks from hamas and other proscribed terrorist organisations.
See here for the full aspects of INTERNATIONAL LAW

http://mfa.gov.il/MFA_Graphics/MFA ..._to_Hamas_Attacks_from_Gaza_december_2008.pdf


Main Points:

Israel is in a conflict not of its own making – indeed it withdrew every
Israeli soldier and all 8000 Israeli civilians from the Gaza Strip as part of
its 2005 disengagement initiative. However, Israel has been forced to act
in defense of its citizens, who have been and continue to be deliberately
attacked by the Hamas terrorist organization.

Although Hamas makes no effort to comply with international law, Israel is
committed to limiting itself to a lawful response. This means that, while
Hamas uses civilians both as a shield and a target, Israel seeks to limit
injury to civilians on both sides.

International law recognizes that civilian deaths and injuries may occur in
lawful military operations. For an operation to be lawful it must be directed
at a "legitimate military objective" and be "proportionate".

Under the Geneva Conventions, as well as customary international law, if
a military objective, such as a missile launcher or weapons stockpile, is
placed in the heart of a civilian area, it does not cease being a lawful
military objective. The primary responsibility for civilian causalities arising
from the 'shielding' lies with the party that deliberately placed civilians at
risk.

International law also requires that any military operation be 'proportionate'
in the sense that expected collateral damage to civilians and civilian
objects must not be excessive in relation to the military advantage
anticipated. This is a complex and difficult calculation and international law
relies on the best determination of the commander in the field in the heat
of the conflict to weigh all relevant considerations, including the security of
his own forces.

Israel has adopted these principles of the law of armed conflict, in its
military training, its operational planning and in practice. Frequently,
proposed operations are cancelled because the risk of injury to civilians
might not be proportional to the military goals of the operation.

 

[Penelope]

Hamas wants to negotiate because they want to be seen as a legitimate entity in all this warfare. How stupid of them. Do they really think the Israelis are that stupid ? Do they think the USA is that stupid ? Even Muslim ass-kisser Obama isn't giving in to their little ploys.

Everyone knows Hamas is a terrorist group of uncivilized, barbaric, lying savages, and that negotiation with terrorists is unacceptable. You don't negotiate with terrorists. You fight them. You kill them. You exterminate them. 100%. Which is just what Israel is rightfully doing right now. And the Palestinians should be thanking the Israelis for not carpet-bombing and/or nuking them right now, as other rogues had happen to them (ex. the Japs and Nazis in World War II)

PS - EARTH TO MOHAMMED (using the western name "Penelope") . The Israelis LEFT Gaza in 2005. There's not an Israeli soldier, settler or Jew living in Gaza now.

The Israelis IDF went in scavenging the houses and everything after the teens went missing, under pretense of looking for missing teens, stealing money and killing 9 and "kidnapping over 450" . The IDF lords over the gazans and west bank people , yes people, not insects or savages, human beings. They kill kids and think nothing of it.

Its one thing for the Government of Israel to do what they do and find it disgusting, but what I find even more is what some jews say and their attitude about the Palestinians, like they are scum bag animals and insects. I just can't believe it to tell you the truth how anyone can condone this kind of killing.

Since (unlike Christianity) it is OK to lie in Islam, I have to admit I don't believe a word of this. For that matter Mohammed, where did you pick up that American sounding name (Penelope) ? Are you a fan of the hottie actress, Penelope Ann Miller ?

That is a French name and its my name, long form if you must know. As a Christian I do not lie, and I have no idea who Penelope Ann Miller is.

 

[Phoenall]

Only on Phoney's planet.

There is no "occupation". There is only Islamic jihad being waged by uncivilized, barbaric, savage idiots known as Hamas.

The UN, US, assorted human rights organizations along with most states agree Israel illegally occupies the West Bank by virtue of its filling the West Bank with hundreds of thousands of illegal squatters.

Gaza is also occupied by Israel's control of Gazan airspace, coastal waters, electromagnetic sphere, and population registry.

Jews have proven by their actions over the past 66 years they want all the land between the River and the sea for Jews alone, or with the absolute minimum of non-Jews living there as possible.

Occupation is how Jews intend to make that happen.

Have you heard of the "RIGHT OF RETURN" that applies to the 1 million Jews forcibly evicted from their homes and property between may 1948 and 1951. Then we have the Oslo accords that the P.A. tried to use a few months ago when it threatened to dissolve the P.A. making Israel fully responsible for the west bank.

Gaza is under blockade because of acts of war by hamas and the use of illegal chemical/biological weapons aimed at Israeli children. Hamas has the power to lift the blockade by giving up all violence, terrorism and belligerence and agreeing to talks on peace and mutually agreed borders.


Jews have given up land for peace thus making your claims null and void, just look at the terms of the peace treaty with Egypt and Jordan were Israel gives up large areas of occupied land and some parts of Israel in this fabled land between the river and the sea.

 

[Phoenall]

I was going to give you a WIKI link but you got Tony Blair and the ADL wording in it, so heres another ,

http://file.insightturkey.com/Files/Pdf/insight_turkey_vol_11_no_4_2009_nimer.pdf

Today’s leaders of Hamas recognize the undiplomatic nature of the Charter’s
language. Musa Abu-Marzook wrote defensively: “As for the 1988 charter, if every
state or movement were to be judged solely by its foundational, revolutionary
documents or the ideas of its progenitors, there would be a good deal to answer
for on all sides.”16 Khalid Mish’al called the old Charter an “outdated document”
that does not bind Hamas to anything.17 He cited the early Zionist thinkers who
advocated the expulsion of Arabs from their lands. Instead of formally adopting a
new document that represents the broad base of Hamas, leaders of the group use
indirect tactics. A recent profile refers to changes in Hamas in terms of ideological
rigidity and political flexibility.18

Our message to the Israelis is this: we do not fight you because you belong to a certain
faith or culture. Jews have lived in the Muslim world for 13 centuries in peace and harmony;

they are in our religion “the people of the book” who have a covenant from God
and His Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) to be respected and protected.
Our conflict with you is not religious but political. We have no problem with Jews
who have not attacked us - our problem is with those who came to our land, imposed
themselves on us by force, destroyed our society and banished our people… We shall
never recogni[z]e the right of any power to rob us of our land and deny us our national
rights. We shall never recogni[z]e the legitimacy of a Zionist state created on our soil
in order to atone for somebody else’s sins or solve somebody else’s problem. But if you
are willing to accept the principle of a long-term truce, we are prepared to negotiate
the terms. Hamas is extending a hand of peace to those who are truly interested in a
peace based on justice.25

In order for the future Palestine to function properly under international law, the
Palestinians do not have to agree that

(this is still rather bias) but let me ask do Jews still stone adulterers?

Hamas wants to negotiate because they want to be seen as a legitimate entity in all this warfare. How stupid of them. Do they really think the Israelis are that stupid ? Do they think the USA is that stupid ? Even Muslim ass-kisser Obama isn't giving in to their little ploys.

Everyone knows Hamas is a terrorist group of uncivilized, barbaric, lying savages, and that negotiation with terrorists is unacceptable. You don't negotiate with terrorists. You fight them. You kill them. You exterminate them. 100%. Which is just what Israel is rightfully doing right now. And the Palestinians should be thanking the Israelis for not carpet-bombing and/or nuking them right now, as other rogues had happen to them (ex. the Japs and Nazis in World War II)

PS - EARTH TO MOHAMMED (using the western name "Penelope") . The Israelis LEFT Gaza in 2005. There's not an Israeli soldier, settler or Jew living in Gaza now.

The Israelis IDF went in scavenging the houses and everything after the teens went missing, under pretense of looking for missing teens, stealing money and killing 9 and "kidnapping over 450" . The IDF lords over the gazans and west bank people , yes people, not insects or savages, human beings. They kill kids and think nothing of it.

Its one thing for the Government of Israel to do what they do and find it disgusting, but what I find even more is what some jews say and their attitude about the Palestinians, like they are scum bag animals and insects. I just can't believe it to tell you the truth how anyone can condone this kind of killing.

You can of course provide the evidence of this from a non partisan unbiased source, none of your " Palestinian sources say" crap either.

Are you another dido that says the Israelis should stop investigation the murder of the 3 boys because the bodies have been found. I wonder what you would say if Israel did the same with the murder of the Palestinian boy ?

 

[Phoenall]

Hamas wants to negotiate because they want to be seen as a legitimate entity in all this warfare. How stupid of them. Do they really think the Israelis are that stupid ? Do they think the USA is that stupid ? Even Muslim ass-kisser Obama isn't giving in to their little ploys.

Everyone knows Hamas is a terrorist group of uncivilized, barbaric, lying savages, and that negotiation with terrorists is unacceptable. You don't negotiate with terrorists. You fight them. You kill them. You exterminate them. 100%. Which is just what Israel is rightfully doing right now. And the Palestinians should be thanking the Israelis for not carpet-bombing and/or nuking them right now, as other rogues had happen to them (ex. the Japs and Nazis in World War II)

PS - EARTH TO MOHAMMED (using the western name "Penelope") . The Israelis LEFT Gaza in 2005. There's not an Israeli soldier, settler or Jew living in Gaza now.

The Israelis IDF went in scavenging the houses and everything after the teens went missing, under pretense of looking for missing teens, stealing money and killing 9 and "kidnapping over 450" . The IDF lords over the gazans and west bank people , yes people, not insects or savages, human beings. They kill kids and think nothing of it.

Its one thing for the Government of Israel to do what they do and find it disgusting, but what I find even more is what some jews say and their attitude about the Palestinians, like they are scum bag animals and insects. I just can't believe it to tell you the truth how anyone can condone this kind of killing.

Since (unlike Christianity) it is OK to lie in Islam, I have to admit I don't believe a word of this. For that matter Mohammed, where did you pick up that American sounding name (Penelope) ? Are you a fan of the hottie actress, Penelope Ann Miller ?

More like Penelope pitstop as this meets with Islamic mentality.

 

[Sally]

The Israelis IDF went in scavenging the houses and everything after the teens went missing, under pretense of looking for missing teens, stealing money and killing 9 and "kidnapping over 450" . The IDF lords over the gazans and west bank people , yes people, not insects or savages, human beings. They kill kids and think nothing of it.

Its one thing for the Government of Israel to do what they do and find it disgusting, but what I find even more is what some jews say and their attitude about the Palestinians, like they are scum bag animals and insects. I just can't believe it to tell you the truth how anyone can condone this kind of killing.

Since (unlike Christianity) it is OK to lie in Islam, I have to admit I don't believe a word of this. For that matter Mohammed, where did you pick up that American sounding name (Penelope) ? Are you a fan of the hottie actress, Penelope Ann Miller ?

More like Penelope pitstop as this meets with Islamic mentality.

After the summer break, Penelope can start classes at the madrassa again and tell the teacher that she really kept busy bashing Israel over the summer and she didn't mention a word about what was happening to unfortunate Christians and Muslims in the other Middle East countries. All those murders mean nothing to the "Penelopes" of the world.

 

[Penelope]

Hamas wants to negotiate because they want to be seen as a legitimate entity in all this warfare. How stupid of them. Do they really think the Israelis are that stupid ? Do they think the USA is that stupid ? Even Muslim ass-kisser Obama isn't giving in to their little ploys.

Everyone knows Hamas is a terrorist group of uncivilized, barbaric, lying savages, and that negotiation with terrorists is unacceptable. You don't negotiate with terrorists. You fight them. You kill them. You exterminate them. 100%. Which is just what Israel is rightfully doing right now. And the Palestinians should be thanking the Israelis for not carpet-bombing and/or nuking them right now, as other rogues had happen to them (ex. the Japs and Nazis in World War II)

PS - EARTH TO MOHAMMED (using the western name "Penelope") . The Israelis LEFT Gaza in 2005. There's not an Israeli soldier, settler or Jew living in Gaza now.

The Israelis IDF went in scavenging the houses and everything after the teens went missing, under pretense of looking for missing teens, stealing money and killing 9 and "kidnapping over 450" . The IDF lords over the gazans and west bank people , yes people, not insects or savages, human beings. They kill kids and think nothing of it.

Its one thing for the Government of Israel to do what they do and find it disgusting, but what I find even more is what some jews say and their attitude about the Palestinians, like they are scum bag animals and insects. I just can't believe it to tell you the truth how anyone can condone this kind of killing.

You can of course provide the evidence of this from a non partisan unbiased source, none of your " Palestinian sources say" crap either.

Are you another dido that says the Israelis should stop investigation the murder of the 3 boys because the bodies have been found. I wonder what you would say if Israel did the same with the murder of the Palestinian boy ?

What is a dido. Yes Israel had no right to enter Gaza without any evidence. How would you like 3 teen disappearing from your area, and the cops coming in with their weapons searching all the homes, kidnapping 450 or better (what happened to them, did they kill them or are the just torturing them in their prisons?) and killing 9.

So yes . What is dido? If I'm called a name I at least like to know its meaning.

evidence on the charter, goggle it yourself, its on WIKI. You wouldn't believe it anyway, as I do not believe much of what the Jews say anymore. Caught in tooo many lies. Way to many. Not to mention their false flags and propaganda . Their wars are mainly PSYOPS, and then military action.

 

[Sally]

The Israelis IDF went in scavenging the houses and everything after the teens went missing, under pretense of looking for missing teens, stealing money and killing 9 and "kidnapping over 450" . The IDF lords over the gazans and west bank people , yes people, not insects or savages, human beings. They kill kids and think nothing of it.

Its one thing for the Government of Israel to do what they do and find it disgusting, but what I find even more is what some jews say and their attitude about the Palestinians, like they are scum bag animals and insects. I just can't believe it to tell you the truth how anyone can condone this kind of killing.

You can of course provide the evidence of this from a non partisan unbiased source, none of your " Palestinian sources say" crap either.

Are you another dido that says the Israelis should stop investigation the murder of the 3 boys because the bodies have been found. I wonder what you would say if Israel did the same with the murder of the Palestinian boy ?

What is a dido. Yes Israel had no right to enter Gaza without any evidence. How would you like 3 teen disappearing from your area, and the cops coming in with their weapons searching all the homes, kidnapping 450 or better (what happened to them, did they kill them or are the just torturing them in their prisons?) and killing 9.

So yes . What is dido? If I'm called a name I at least like to know its meaning.

Perhaps you can tell us how you say Dodo Bird in Arabic. Meanwhile, nothing to say, Penelope about what your friends are doing to the long-suffering people in the other Middle East countries??? Looks like you do not have a problem with this because all you do when you crawl out of the woodwork and come to the Middle East forum is blabber about Israel when so much is happening elsewhere..