Sweden's Coronavirus Strategy Will Soon Be The Worlds

[zaangalewa]

...

This man is a police officer? That's a joke, isn't it?

Defending civil liberties is a joke to you?

In his case: yes. Example: No one is discussing with an avalanche about the freedom of opinion. In such cases it is better to discuss with the own legs, if they don't like to run to come out of the danger zone.

Do you enjoy living in a police state type of world?

A long as a virus has my profile and the underwriting "better dead than alive" I prefer to live everywhere without to meet this virus.

Thank you for confirming what I already suspected about you. You are never right about anything. As far as I've seen, anyway.

Propagandistic bullshit is not able to help in reality - what for example real policemen often know very well.

 

[Deleted member 73486]

Sweden's "model" may have worked for Sweden because they had enough hospital capacity and so on to take care of all COVID-19 patients when they hit their peak. Cities like NYC did not have that luxury though. So, I think the Swedish model (no pun intended) can work well in a lot of areas within the U.S., but certainly not cities with major urban density and public transportation issues.

 

[zaangalewa]

zaangalewa whines again.

We know this disease kills people. It will kill people no matter what we do. But the people dying already have one foot in the grave. They're old people who are going to die soon anyway. We can let our economy die too.

I am unwilling to sign up for that statement.

We should be protecting them.

We don't need to shut down the economy to do it.

The only way to kill a pathogen, is to isolate it from more hosts. The economy we'll be fine, and anything that is lost economically can be rebuilt. What you can't do, is resurrect someone who has physically died from this virus.

So we'll stop driving cars too.

We don't need them.

Shut up

Not anywhere near equivalent. Sorry, but this is not Nazi Germany. You don't get shut up anyone.

Germany is the most unkown country of the world, because nearly everyone makes a time travel to the years 1933-1945, who tries to find Germany. And even the knowledge about this Nazi-Germany is in most cases damned bad.

Freedom of speech and freedom of the press was shut down in Nazi-Germany 1933-1945.

They are shutting down freedom of speech and dissenting opinions here as well.

Your leader is doing so with the help of Ermächtigungsgesetzen? Then hurry up and eliminate him as long as you have still a chance. And don't try to do this more than 40 times as we did.

The respect of the leader Donald Trump for professional journalists and for the freedom of press is by the way very unimpressing.

America now resembles the rise of the third reich.

Third Reich means third empire. The first empire was the holy empire from 800-1806 AD. The second empire was the Prussian empire from 1870-1918. The third empire was Hitler-Germany from 1933-1945. 1006 years, 48 years, 12 years. And now Trump. 4 years ... or 8 years ... and 16 years or 160 years damages for the US-American politics.

Anyone that questions the official narrative is being censored. Land of the free? Home of the brave? Hardly.....

 

[Juicin]

Sweden’s Coronavirus Strategy Will Soon Be the World’s

Herd immunity is the only realistic option—the question is how to get there safely.

www.foreignaffairs.com

Rather than declare a lockdown or a state of emergency, Sweden asked its citizens to practice social distancing on a mostly voluntary basis. Swedish authorities imposed some restrictions designed to flatten the curve: no public gatherings of more than 50 people, no bar service, distance learning in high schools and universities, and so on. But they eschewed harsh controls, fines, and policing. Swedes have changed their behavior, but not as profoundly as the citizens of other Western democracies. Many restaurants remain open, although they are lightly trafficked; young children are still in school. And in contrast to neighboring Norway (and some Asian countries), Sweden has not introduced location-tracing technologies or apps, thus avoiding threats to privacy and personal autonomy.

Swedish authorities have not officially declared a goal of reaching herd immunity, which most scientists believe is achieved when more than 60 percent of the population has had the virus. But augmenting immunity is no doubt part of the government’s broader strategy—or at least a likely consequence of keeping schools, restaurants, and most businesses open. Anders Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist at Sweden’s Public Health Agency, has projected that the city of Stockholm could reach herd immunity as early as this month. Based on updated behavioral assumptions (social-distancing norms are changing how Swedes behave), the Stockholm University mathematician Tom Britton has calculated that 40 percent immunity in the capital could be enough to stop the virus’s spread there and that this could happen by mid-June.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Fuck this lockdown.

Sweden has made some mistakes...but

Sad times when swedes are acting more like Americans than Americans

Swedes act like Swedes. And they don't do, what you think they do. Whatever - we developed a very good reliable test for antibodies of Corona-2 last week. "Soon" we will have made some millions tests and will be hopefully able to bring more dark numbers of Corona into the light of research. Impatience is one of the greatest dangers now. The spanish influenca (made in the USA) hit Germany once in three waves. The second wave was the most deadly of this three deadly waves. To wait with defense or to block defense seems not to be the best way as far as I can see.

Looked like the cold move of a capitalist society to me

Cold move? Capitalistic society? Means this you think the Swedes are emotionless and think only about the own advantage- while they don't care about others? Then this would be the opposite of a Swede.

Very American

This simple fragment of a sentence gives me a lot to think, specially because the USA is only a part of America.

They even ignored their nursing homes lol

How did the swedes gain this sort of gumption while we have lost it?

Even if we have testing, you have to take truly random samples unless you're gonna test tens of millinos of people a month. And Americans aren't showing up for that

Testing for antibiodies means not to test only for covid-19. It means specially to find out more about the natural resistance against Corona. And they thought about numbers in hundreds of millions of tests worldwide. This test is not very expensive - so it is a good chance for third world countries. If you don't know, what a third world country is, then ask the president of your shitcountry, and you will still not know this. I hope your corrupt president did not force with the threat of sanctions not to give this test to third world countries or to sell this test only in the USA.

lol so angry, why the fuck are you on american message boards

like i said, swedes more american response than americans

let those boomers die for the good of the economy

and third world is a little gauche you little inbred shit. We use the term "developing" now

 

[zaangalewa]

... I don't wear a mask nor do I obey the "social distancing" bullshit.

Why?

Maybe he uses common sense.

And Dale Smith aggressives ... ah sorry: agrees.

So this what both of you call "common sense" means all US-Americans have to like to infect each other with the Corona-2 virus and instead to use social distance both of you like to use social pressure until all US-Americans are infected?

 

[zaangalewa]

Sweden’s Coronavirus Strategy Will Soon Be the World’s

Herd immunity is the only realistic option—the question is how to get there safely.

www.foreignaffairs.com

Rather than declare a lockdown or a state of emergency, Sweden asked its citizens to practice social distancing on a mostly voluntary basis. Swedish authorities imposed some restrictions designed to flatten the curve: no public gatherings of more than 50 people, no bar service, distance learning in high schools and universities, and so on. But they eschewed harsh controls, fines, and policing. Swedes have changed their behavior, but not as profoundly as the citizens of other Western democracies. Many restaurants remain open, although they are lightly trafficked; young children are still in school. And in contrast to neighboring Norway (and some Asian countries), Sweden has not introduced location-tracing technologies or apps, thus avoiding threats to privacy and personal autonomy.

Swedish authorities have not officially declared a goal of reaching herd immunity, which most scientists believe is achieved when more than 60 percent of the population has had the virus. But augmenting immunity is no doubt part of the government’s broader strategy—or at least a likely consequence of keeping schools, restaurants, and most businesses open. Anders Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist at Sweden’s Public Health Agency, has projected that the city of Stockholm could reach herd immunity as early as this month. Based on updated behavioral assumptions (social-distancing norms are changing how Swedes behave), the Stockholm University mathematician Tom Britton has calculated that 40 percent immunity in the capital could be enough to stop the virus’s spread there and that this could happen by mid-June.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Fuck this lockdown.

Sweden has made some mistakes...but

Sad times when swedes are acting more like Americans than Americans

Swedes act like Swedes. And they don't do, what you think they do. Whatever - we developed a very good reliable test for antibodies of Corona-2 last week. "Soon" we will have made some millions tests and will be hopefully able to bring more dark numbers of Corona into the light of research. Impatience is one of the greatest dangers now. The spanish influenca (made in the USA) hit Germany once in three waves. The second wave was the most deadly of this three deadly waves. To wait with defense or to block defense seems not to be the best way as far as I can see.

Looked like the cold move of a capitalist society to me

Cold move? Capitalistic society? Means this you think the Swedes are emotionless and think only about the own advantage- while they don't care about others? Then this would be the opposite of a Swede.

Very American

This simple fragment of a sentence gives me a lot to think, specially because the USA is only a part of America.

They even ignored their nursing homes lol

How did the swedes gain this sort of gumption while we have lost it?

Even if we have testing, you have to take truly random samples unless you're gonna test tens of millinos of people a month. And Americans aren't showing up for that

Testing for antibiodies means not to test only for covid-19. It means specially to find out more about the natural resistance against Corona. And they thought about numbers in hundreds of millions of tests worldwide. This test is not very expensive - so it is a good chance for third world countries. If you don't know, what a third world country is, then ask the president of your shitcountry, and you will still not know this. I hope your corrupt president did not force with the threat of sanctions not to give this test to third world countries or to sell this test only in the USA.

lol so angry, why the fuck are you on american message boards

I don't know now. The Corona crisis brought me back. Before I was some time unsuccessful looking for way, how all mankind will be able to survive.

like i said, swedes more american response than americans

¿?

let those boomers die for the good of the economy

Die for what? ... hmmm ... And who is the Moses, who brings the people, who do not like to serve the culture of death home to the glory land?

and third world is a little gauche you little inbred shit. We use the term "developing" now

Fascinating sentence ... let those boomers die for the good of the economy and third world is a little gauche you little inbred shit. We use the term "developing" now ...

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Sweden’s Coronavirus Strategy Will Soon Be the World’s

Herd immunity is the only realistic option—the question is how to get there safely.

www.foreignaffairs.com

Rather than declare a lockdown or a state of emergency, Sweden asked its citizens to practice social distancing on a mostly voluntary basis. Swedish authorities imposed some restrictions designed to flatten the curve: no public gatherings of more than 50 people, no bar service, distance learning in high schools and universities, and so on. But they eschewed harsh controls, fines, and policing. Swedes have changed their behavior, but not as profoundly as the citizens of other Western democracies. Many restaurants remain open, although they are lightly trafficked; young children are still in school. And in contrast to neighboring Norway (and some Asian countries), Sweden has not introduced location-tracing technologies or apps, thus avoiding threats to privacy and personal autonomy.

Swedish authorities have not officially declared a goal of reaching herd immunity, which most scientists believe is achieved when more than 60 percent of the population has had the virus. But augmenting immunity is no doubt part of the government’s broader strategy—or at least a likely consequence of keeping schools, restaurants, and most businesses open. Anders Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist at Sweden’s Public Health Agency, has projected that the city of Stockholm could reach herd immunity as early as this month. Based on updated behavioral assumptions (social-distancing norms are changing how Swedes behave), the Stockholm University mathematician Tom Britton has calculated that 40 percent immunity in the capital could be enough to stop the virus’s spread there and that this could happen by mid-June.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Fuck this lockdown.

Sweden has made some mistakes...but

SWEDEN HAS THE 8TH HIGHEST PER CAPITA LEVEL OF DEATH FROM CORONAVIRUS ON THE PLANET! They are the perfect example of what NOT to do when it comes to coronavirus.

Some things you should know about Sweden:

01. They have a low rate of per capita testing. Infections and deaths from coronavirus are going unreported.
02. Poor surveillance and information on where the virus is and who is infected, dead or alive, makes it difficult to defeat the pathogen.
03. the per capita death rate from coronavirus could by higher than it is right now and probably is. They could potentially have the highest number of per capita deaths in the world instead of the 8th highest.
04. Sweden has a low population density which works in its favor a country of 10 million people larger than most U.S. states. New York City almost has as many people. If New York City had adopted Sweden's approach, the city would have collapsed from all the extra deaths it would have incurred.

THE COUNTRY that has the BEST RECORD on coronavirus is TAIWAN! TAIWAN is doing the exact opposite of going for herd immunity and is protecting the population as much as possible.

Only 7 people have died in TAIWAN, the 12 most densely populated country on earth with 24 million people squeezed into an area 1/3 the size of Pennsylvania.

TAIWAN only had 440 of its 24 million people get infected. There are currently only 50 people in TAIWAN who still have active cases of the virus.

TAIWAN shows how you save lives and do the best to help the economy. Sweden shows how you kill the most people, without little benefit to their economy.

So what ?

We are currently going the way of Sweden.

People are dying because of poor policy and all you have to say is, SO WHAT? Over 1,700 Americans died yesterday from coronavirus? What do you think the is best way is to reduce that daily level of death?

Tell, me how opening up is going to reduce daily new infections and daily new deaths in the United States?

Any economy, city, or country can be rebuilt. But you can't resurrect the people who have physically died.

And if one didn't die due to the corona virus, they will claim they did anyway to pad the stats and keep the fear porn narrative going...after all, social distancing is the (snicker) "new normal". How fucking stupid are you? Seriously, how can you not see what is going on?

If anything, the daily number of deaths in the United States from coronavirus is an undercount. Why? Most people who die in their homes are never tested for the virus. There were several hundred excess deaths per day of people dying in their homes the past month in New York City than what is typically seen this time of year given past records. These excess deaths are likely the result of coronavirus but never get included in the totals.

You are soooo fucking wrong and uninformed that I don't even know where to start when it comes to this plandemic...Event 201, Bill and Melinda Gates involvement, Fort Detrick, Fauci's fingerprints all over this and the Wuhan Lab, the patent for Covid 19 and the antidote which just so happened to be patented in the E.U in November of last year. Wake the fuck up, dumb ass........this is all a production. Americans folded like a cheap chair and run around in masks and fear their surroundings. I can remember a time when Americans didn't get sooo fucking spooked...seems like a lifetime ago.

A far as I can see you speak nonsense. Is this your intention - if so ¿why?

You need new glasses.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Sweden's "model" may have worked for Sweden because they had enough hospital capacity and so on to take care of all COVID-19 patients when they hit their peak. Cities like NYC did not have that luxury though. So, I think the Swedish model (no pun intended) can work well in a lot of areas within the U.S., but certainly not cities with major urban density and public transportation issues.

Agreed.

So they need to do be extremely careful and take extra precautions.

The rest of the country does not need to do the same stupid crap they should do (and have not done very well).

 

[zaangalewa]

Sweden’s Coronavirus Strategy Will Soon Be the World’s

Herd immunity is the only realistic option—the question is how to get there safely.

www.foreignaffairs.com

Rather than declare a lockdown or a state of emergency, Sweden asked its citizens to practice social distancing on a mostly voluntary basis. Swedish authorities imposed some restrictions designed to flatten the curve: no public gatherings of more than 50 people, no bar service, distance learning in high schools and universities, and so on. But they eschewed harsh controls, fines, and policing. Swedes have changed their behavior, but not as profoundly as the citizens of other Western democracies. Many restaurants remain open, although they are lightly trafficked; young children are still in school. And in contrast to neighboring Norway (and some Asian countries), Sweden has not introduced location-tracing technologies or apps, thus avoiding threats to privacy and personal autonomy.

Swedish authorities have not officially declared a goal of reaching herd immunity, which most scientists believe is achieved when more than 60 percent of the population has had the virus. But augmenting immunity is no doubt part of the government’s broader strategy—or at least a likely consequence of keeping schools, restaurants, and most businesses open. Anders Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist at Sweden’s Public Health Agency, has projected that the city of Stockholm could reach herd immunity as early as this month. Based on updated behavioral assumptions (social-distancing norms are changing how Swedes behave), the Stockholm University mathematician Tom Britton has calculated that 40 percent immunity in the capital could be enough to stop the virus’s spread there and that this could happen by mid-June.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Fuck this lockdown.

Sweden has made some mistakes...but

SWEDEN HAS THE 8TH HIGHEST PER CAPITA LEVEL OF DEATH FROM CORONAVIRUS ON THE PLANET! They are the perfect example of what NOT to do when it comes to coronavirus.

Some things you should know about Sweden:

01. They have a low rate of per capita testing. Infections and deaths from coronavirus are going unreported.
02. Poor surveillance and information on where the virus is and who is infected, dead or alive, makes it difficult to defeat the pathogen.
03. the per capita death rate from coronavirus could by higher than it is right now and probably is. They could potentially have the highest number of per capita deaths in the world instead of the 8th highest.
04. Sweden has a low population density which works in its favor a country of 10 million people larger than most U.S. states. New York City almost has as many people. If New York City had adopted Sweden's approach, the city would have collapsed from all the extra deaths it would have incurred.

THE COUNTRY that has the BEST RECORD on coronavirus is TAIWAN! TAIWAN is doing the exact opposite of going for herd immunity and is protecting the population as much as possible.

Only 7 people have died in TAIWAN, the 12 most densely populated country on earth with 24 million people squeezed into an area 1/3 the size of Pennsylvania.

TAIWAN only had 440 of its 24 million people get infected. There are currently only 50 people in TAIWAN who still have active cases of the virus.

TAIWAN shows how you save lives and do the best to help the economy. Sweden shows how you kill the most people, without little benefit to their economy.

So what ?

We are currently going the way of Sweden.

People are dying because of poor policy and all you have to say is, SO WHAT? Over 1,700 Americans died yesterday from coronavirus? What do you think the is best way is to reduce that daily level of death?

Tell, me how opening up is going to reduce daily new infections and daily new deaths in the United States?

Any economy, city, or country can be rebuilt. But you can't resurrect the people who have physically died.

And if one didn't die due to the corona virus, they will claim they did anyway to pad the stats and keep the fear porn narrative going...after all, social distancing is the (snicker) "new normal". How fucking stupid are you? Seriously, how can you not see what is going on?

If anything, the daily number of deaths in the United States from coronavirus is an undercount. Why? Most people who die in their homes are never tested for the virus. There were several hundred excess deaths per day of people dying in their homes the past month in New York City than what is typically seen this time of year given past records. These excess deaths are likely the result of coronavirus but never get included in the totals.

You are soooo fucking wrong and uninformed that I don't even know where to start when it comes to this plandemic...Event 201, Bill and Melinda Gates involvement, Fort Detrick, Fauci's fingerprints all over this and the Wuhan Lab, the patent for Covid 19 and the antidote which just so happened to be patented in the E.U in November of last year. Wake the fuck up, dumb ass........this is all a production. Americans folded like a cheap chair and run around in masks and fear their surroundings. I can remember a time when Americans didn't get sooo fucking spooked...seems like a lifetime ago.

A far as I can see you speak nonsense. Is this your intention - if so ¿why?

You need new glasses.

No. Someone has to be totally blind not to see this strange conspirative theory. One man alone is not able to be so stupid to believe all this nonsense. There must be a system behind such brainwashing manipulations.

 

[U2Edge]

Sweden’s Coronavirus Strategy Will Soon Be the World’s

Herd immunity is the only realistic option—the question is how to get there safely.

www.foreignaffairs.com

Rather than declare a lockdown or a state of emergency, Sweden asked its citizens to practice social distancing on a mostly voluntary basis. Swedish authorities imposed some restrictions designed to flatten the curve: no public gatherings of more than 50 people, no bar service, distance learning in high schools and universities, and so on. But they eschewed harsh controls, fines, and policing. Swedes have changed their behavior, but not as profoundly as the citizens of other Western democracies. Many restaurants remain open, although they are lightly trafficked; young children are still in school. And in contrast to neighboring Norway (and some Asian countries), Sweden has not introduced location-tracing technologies or apps, thus avoiding threats to privacy and personal autonomy.

Swedish authorities have not officially declared a goal of reaching herd immunity, which most scientists believe is achieved when more than 60 percent of the population has had the virus. But augmenting immunity is no doubt part of the government’s broader strategy—or at least a likely consequence of keeping schools, restaurants, and most businesses open. Anders Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist at Sweden’s Public Health Agency, has projected that the city of Stockholm could reach herd immunity as early as this month. Based on updated behavioral assumptions (social-distancing norms are changing how Swedes behave), the Stockholm University mathematician Tom Britton has calculated that 40 percent immunity in the capital could be enough to stop the virus’s spread there and that this could happen by mid-June.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Fuck this lockdown.

Sweden has made some mistakes...but

SWEDEN HAS THE 8TH HIGHEST PER CAPITA LEVEL OF DEATH FROM CORONAVIRUS ON THE PLANET! They are the perfect example of what NOT to do when it comes to coronavirus.

Some things you should know about Sweden:

01. They have a low rate of per capita testing. Infections and deaths from coronavirus are going unreported.
02. Poor surveillance and information on where the virus is and who is infected, dead or alive, makes it difficult to defeat the pathogen.
03. the per capita death rate from coronavirus could by higher than it is right now and probably is. They could potentially have the highest number of per capita deaths in the world instead of the 8th highest.
04. Sweden has a low population density which works in its favor a country of 10 million people larger than most U.S. states. New York City almost has as many people. If New York City had adopted Sweden's approach, the city would have collapsed from all the extra deaths it would have incurred.

THE COUNTRY that has the BEST RECORD on coronavirus is TAIWAN! TAIWAN is doing the exact opposite of going for herd immunity and is protecting the population as much as possible.

Only 7 people have died in TAIWAN, the 12 most densely populated country on earth with 24 million people squeezed into an area 1/3 the size of Pennsylvania.

TAIWAN only had 440 of its 24 million people get infected. There are currently only 50 people in TAIWAN who still have active cases of the virus.

TAIWAN shows how you save lives and do the best to help the economy. Sweden shows how you kill the most people, without little benefit to their economy.

So what ?

We are currently going the way of Sweden.

People are dying because of poor policy and all you have to say is, SO WHAT? Over 1,700 Americans died yesterday from coronavirus? What do you think the is best way is to reduce that daily level of death?

Tell, me how opening up is going to reduce daily new infections and daily new deaths in the United States?

Any economy, city, or country can be rebuilt. But you can't resurrect the people who have physically died.

And if one didn't die due to the corona virus, they will claim they did anyway to pad the stats and keep the fear porn narrative going...after all, social distancing is the (snicker) "new normal". How fucking stupid are you? Seriously, how can you not see what is going on?

If anything, the daily number of deaths in the United States from coronavirus is an undercount. Why? Most people who die in their homes are never tested for the virus. There were several hundred excess deaths per day of people dying in their homes the past month in New York City than what is typically seen this time of year given past records. These excess deaths are likely the result of coronavirus but never get included in the totals.

You are soooo fucking wrong and uninformed that I don't even know where to start when it comes to this plandemic...Event 201, Bill and Melinda Gates involvement, Fort Detrick, Fauci's fingerprints all over this and the Wuhan Lab, the patent for Covid 19 and the antidote which just so happened to be patented in the E.U in November of last year. Wake the fuck up, dumb ass........this is all a production. Americans folded like a cheap chair and run around in masks and fear their surroundings. I can remember a time when Americans didn't get sooo fucking spooked...seems like a lifetime ago.

I bet you also believe that 9/11 terrorist attacks were an inside job by the U.S. government, that the moon landing was fake, and that the earth is flat.

 

[U2Edge]

zaangalewa whines again.

We know this disease kills people. It will kill people no matter what we do. But the people dying already have one foot in the grave. They're old people who are going to die soon anyway. We can let our economy die too.

I am unwilling to sign up for that statement.

We should be protecting them.

We don't need to shut down the economy to do it.

The only way to kill a pathogen, is to isolate it from more hosts. The economy we'll be fine, and anything that is lost economically can be rebuilt. What you can't do, is resurrect someone who has physically died from this virus.

So we'll stop driving cars too.

We don't need them.

Shut up

Not anywhere near equivalent. Sorry, but this is not Nazi Germany. You don't get shut up anyone.

Germany is the most unkown country of the world, because nearly everyone makes a time travel to the years 1933-1945, who tries to find Germany. And even the knowledge about this Nazi-Germany is in most cases damned bad.

Freedom of speech and freedom of the press was shut down in Nazi-Germany 1933-1945.

They are shutting down freedom of speech and dissenting opinions here as well. America now resembles the rise of the third reich. Anyone that questions the official narrative is being censored. Land of the free? Home of the brave? Hardly.....

Only in your head.

 

[U2Edge]

Sorry, but this is not Nazi Germany.

We're getting there, thanks to brainwashed bootlicking dupes like you.

The only people who are dupes are those that don't follow or understand the SCIENCE of defeating pandemics. They tend to be Trump supporters. Trump supporters on average are less educated than the general population.

 

[U2Edge]

Sweden’s Coronavirus Strategy Will Soon Be the World’s

Herd immunity is the only realistic option—the question is how to get there safely.

www.foreignaffairs.com

Rather than declare a lockdown or a state of emergency, Sweden asked its citizens to practice social distancing on a mostly voluntary basis. Swedish authorities imposed some restrictions designed to flatten the curve: no public gatherings of more than 50 people, no bar service, distance learning in high schools and universities, and so on. But they eschewed harsh controls, fines, and policing. Swedes have changed their behavior, but not as profoundly as the citizens of other Western democracies. Many restaurants remain open, although they are lightly trafficked; young children are still in school. And in contrast to neighboring Norway (and some Asian countries), Sweden has not introduced location-tracing technologies or apps, thus avoiding threats to privacy and personal autonomy.

Swedish authorities have not officially declared a goal of reaching herd immunity, which most scientists believe is achieved when more than 60 percent of the population has had the virus. But augmenting immunity is no doubt part of the government’s broader strategy—or at least a likely consequence of keeping schools, restaurants, and most businesses open. Anders Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist at Sweden’s Public Health Agency, has projected that the city of Stockholm could reach herd immunity as early as this month. Based on updated behavioral assumptions (social-distancing norms are changing how Swedes behave), the Stockholm University mathematician Tom Britton has calculated that 40 percent immunity in the capital could be enough to stop the virus’s spread there and that this could happen by mid-June.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Fuck this lockdown.

Sweden has made some mistakes...but

Sad times when swedes are acting more like Americans than Americans

Swedes act like Swedes. And they don't do, what you think they do. Whatever - we developed a very good reliable test for antibodies of Corona-2 last week. "Soon" we will have made some millions tests and will be hopefully able to bring more dark numbers of Corona into the light of research. Impatience is one of the greatest dangers now. The spanish influenca (made in the USA) hit Germany once in three waves. The second wave was the most deadly of this three deadly waves. To wait with defense or to block defense seems not to be the best way as far as I can see.

Looked like the cold move of a capitalist society to me

Very American

They even ignored their nursing homes lol

How did the swedes gain this sort of gumption while we have lost it?

Even if we have testing, you have to take truly random samples unless you're gonna test tens of millinos of people a month. And Americans aren't showing up for that

Most Americans support the lockdowns and will gladly be tested to help stop this virus. 16 million Americans left their jobs and went overseas during World War II. If Americans can do that, getting tested and staying home will be easy by comparison.

 

[Mindful]

... I don't wear a mask nor do I obey the "social distancing" bullshit.

Why?

Maybe he uses common sense.

And Dale Smith aggressives ... ah sorry: agrees.

So this what both of you call "common sense" means all US-Americans have to like to infect each other with the Corona-2 virus and instead to use social distance both of you like to use social pressure until all US-Americans are infected?

Yes, there are some, but not all, Americans practising social distancing, where I live.

The restaurants have reopened. It’s like being born again.

And we are all using our common sense. We don’t need to be ordered around.

 

[U2Edge]

Sweden's "model" may have worked for Sweden because they had enough hospital capacity and so on to take care of all COVID-19 patients when they hit their peak. Cities like NYC did not have that luxury though. So, I think the Swedish model (no pun intended) can work well in a lot of areas within the U.S., but certainly not cities with major urban density and public transportation issues.

When you have the 8th highest rate of death per capita of any country on the planet, your not doing ANYTHING well.

Also, most rural areas have LESS hospital capacity than major cities like New York City do in terms of facilities vs population.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

"Herd immunity" is an argument of lazybones who don't want to fight against Corona.

Define what the fight against Corona entails.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The "I Want To Be Free" crowd is pushing herd immunity, when in Korea and other countries, people are catching the damned thing a second time within a few months. We don't know that there IS immunity to this thing. Can you catch the common cold twice in one season? Yeah, you can. Some viruses, the herd immunity thing doesn't work quite the way it does for small pox or measles.

We need more time to make that conjecture. If those people who have been exposed don't catch it for the next year, then great. We've answered a question. But it is too soon to know, and researchers are not at all sure that herd immunity is going to work with this thing.

The herd immunity approach is inevitable. You don't actually believe that states and cities are going to stay shut down indefinitely, do you?

 

[Camp]

The "I Want To Be Free" crowd is pushing herd immunity, when in Korea and other countries, people are catching the damned thing a second time within a few months. We don't know that there IS immunity to this thing. Can you catch the common cold twice in one season? Yeah, you can. Some viruses, the herd immunity thing doesn't work quite the way it does for small pox or measles.

We need more time to make that conjecture. If those people who have been exposed don't catch it for the next year, then great. We've answered a question. But it is too soon to know, and researchers are not at all sure that herd immunity is going to work with this thing.

The herd immunity approach is inevitable. You don't actually believe that states and cities are going to stay shut down indefinitely, do you?

Where are the evidence and data proving herd immunity works with COVID 19? Everything I see is mere speculation. What viable and reputable entity offers published data supporting herd immunity for this virus?

 

[beautress]

Sweden’s Coronavirus Strategy Will Soon Be the World’s

Herd immunity is the only realistic option—the question is how to get there safely.

www.foreignaffairs.com

Rather than declare a lockdown or a state of emergency, Sweden asked its citizens to practice social distancing on a mostly voluntary basis. Swedish authorities imposed some restrictions designed to flatten the curve: no public gatherings of more than 50 people, no bar service, distance learning in high schools and universities, and so on. But they eschewed harsh controls, fines, and policing. Swedes have changed their behavior, but not as profoundly as the citizens of other Western democracies. Many restaurants remain open, although they are lightly trafficked; young children are still in school. And in contrast to neighboring Norway (and some Asian countries), Sweden has not introduced location-tracing technologies or apps, thus avoiding threats to privacy and personal autonomy.

Swedish authorities have not officially declared a goal of reaching herd immunity, which most scientists believe is achieved when more than 60 percent of the population has had the virus. But augmenting immunity is no doubt part of the government’s broader strategy—or at least a likely consequence of keeping schools, restaurants, and most businesses open. Anders Tegnell, the chief epidemiologist at Sweden’s Public Health Agency, has projected that the city of Stockholm could reach herd immunity as early as this month. Based on updated behavioral assumptions (social-distancing norms are changing how Swedes behave), the Stockholm University mathematician Tom Britton has calculated that 40 percent immunity in the capital could be enough to stop the virus’s spread there and that this could happen by mid-June.

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Fuck this lockdown.

Sweden has made some mistakes...but

I don't think Sweden had the same infection count as America had, according to this analysis of what happened in the United States of America with re to the Chinese: The Chinese Knew What They Were Doing in Spreading the Wuhan Virus

I don't think all of this is a conspiracy theory. The fact remains, in a 60-day period following the time China caught onto the severity of the virus, a million Chinese were flying in and out of the USA. For some reason, doing the math did not pan out into a favorable outcome for the USA and this Coronavirus-19 thing because China just put it on the back burner or something, and just didn't care that the infection would cause a ruckus in the health of the American people. I wish they had done the math and informed us in a way that would have gotten our attention before, not after Americans were infected.

If Sweden had a million Chinese flying back and forth to Sweden in the same time parameter, they'd be walking the walk too.

 

[Camp]

Sween's C-19 rates for cases and deaths are up to 10 times higher than neighboring countries of Norway, Denmark, and Finland. None of them has any urge for following Sweden's strategy, especially since no real evidence is indicated herd immunity is possible.