Teacher Compensation

[HenryBHough]

Recalling that the topic of this thread was "Teacher Compensation":

Let me propose that, given the way our schools operate these days, teachers ought NOT to be compensated. Rather they should consider their effort to be voluntary donations to the Socialist aimd of The Democrat Party. The Party, of course, should address all those folks needs. Food. Drink. Housing. Medical care. With all that addressed there is no need for any wage at all! Our children would be none the worse off and, with the lower taxes that surely would follow, parents would be more able to afford to send any offspring for they want a bright future to a private school rather than the local public indoctrination center.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

States like West Virginia, Oklahoma and Arizona are notorious for poor teacher pay
Take it or leave it results in the best candidates seeking better professions

Educational results suffer

Nevada pay for teachers is shit also. They need to spend less money on administration and more on the teachers in the classroom.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

I think teacher pay should be increased commensurate to a teacher's education. Teachers should have a formal education background in the courses they are instructing. For example, my biology teacher in high school had his masters in the field. My history teacher had her masters and was a former USN officer and War College instructor. Their experience and educational backgrounds were evident, both in their curriculum and in their ability to deviate and expound upon subjects.

What makes you think they aren't?

I have a Master's degree and get paid more because of it.

Well, if they are, then they should be compensated in kind. If they are not then they should not. This is not rocket surgery. Who would you rather take a biology course from? An English lit grad or a biologist?

Did you read my post?

Teachers are certified in the subject they teach about 99 percent of the time. You can be certified without having the degree. I teach math but took my classwork at 2 different schools and I know the subject better than those with a degree hang on the wall. I do have a degree in history and masters in education.

Did you not comprehend my post? There is a distinct difference between certification to instruct a subject and formal learning in that subject. Do you dispute the depth of knowledge that one would gain? Don't you feel that teachers who are FORMALLY trained in maths, biology et al. should be better compensated to encourage entrants FROM those fields?
You teaching math with a history degree is a prime example of the NORM.

 

[initforme]

Some of you are whining about a person making 40 some thousand per year...chump change...poverty pay.

 

[Anathema]

Some of you are whining about a person making 40 some thousand per year...chump change...poverty pay.

Then they shouldn't have taken the job. Their problem, not mine.

 

[MaryAnne11]

Teachers are not all unionized. Being a union member before you get tenure is stupid because they will not represent you.

Strikes are illegal in most locations.

Tell me about this supposed power that teachers have when they can not strike?!

Any non-unionized teacher is a fool, who deserves exactly what they get.

The rest of your post is simply a matter of poorly negotiated contracts. Especially the inability to strike. I work in a Federslly regulated industry far more important than teaching and we retain our right to strike.

Good for you dumbass! You are not subject to state governments! Get an education about education, dumbass!

Your posts are misguided rantings. That is all!

You vote for those who make the decisions in your State.

But those who teach our Children are the future of those same Children’s
That will take over our Country. Nothing is more Importatnt.

Good for you dumbass! You are not subject to state governments! Get an education about education, dumbass!

We're also regulated at the Stste level. I can guarantee you that we would not allow any clause reducing our ability to righteously strike when necessary.

Strikes were outlawed decades ago. Our state legislature just financially raped every teacher by passing a pension reform bill that will cost every retiree dearly. We're they listening then like they did when they outlawed strikes? Yes, it is a law not a fucking contract item.

Reminder. Kasich.

We killed him at the Ballot box. His remark! “ The people have spoken!” 1.3 Million signatures and an overwhelming rejecton at the Voting booth.

Time to Talk About John Kasich's Biggest Failure as Ohio Governor: Union Reform

 

[rightwinger]

I think teacher pay should be increased commensurate to a teacher's education. Teachers should have a formal education background in the courses they are instructing. For example, my biology teacher in high school had his masters in the field. My history teacher had her masters and was a former USN officer and War College instructor. Their experience and educational backgrounds were evident, both in their curriculum and in their ability to deviate and expound upon subjects.

That along with results
I want to see improved performance of their students regardless of their level
D students become C students
C students become B students
B students become A students

 

[Dekster]

It is a case of priorities of your state and you get what you pay for

These states look at education as nonessential and are willing to hire those who may not be the best available. The bottom of the barrel is good enough to educate their youth

There is only so much money to go around. Raising education spending may require cuts to police or fire departments or highways or whatever. States cannot print their own money so if teachers need to be paid more, then you should tell us what you think should be cut to pay for it. Whenever teacher pay makes the front page of the paper (or police pay or sanitation workers pay) I know for certain I can expect 1) to see the real estate assessor's car setting in front of my house reassessing my property and 2) Enhanced enforcement of zoning/local code is about to start up. They just raised rates over 11% this year so they know they will not be able to raise those again anytime soon so they will inflate assessments.

Again, you get what you pay for

If education is not a priority, teachers are always at the back of the line
A college educated teacher who is not even making $40,000 after ten years on the job will find better options

Yet they seldom do....

 

[Dekster]

It is a case of priorities of your state and you get what you pay for

These states look at education as nonessential and are willing to hire those who may not be the best available. The bottom of the barrel is good enough to educate their youth

There is only so much money to go around. Raising education spending may require cuts to police or fire departments or highways or whatever. States cannot print their own money so if teachers need to be paid more, then you should tell us what you think should be cut to pay for it. Whenever teacher pay makes the front page of the paper (or police pay or sanitation workers pay) I know for certain I can expect 1) to see the real estate assessor's car setting in front of my house reassessing my property and 2) Enhanced enforcement of zoning/local code is about to start up. They just raised rates over 11% this year so they know they will not be able to raise those again anytime soon so they will inflate assessments.

Ever hear of volunteer fire departments?

Yes but those of us who live in civilization like to get somebody there in less than 30 minutes when our house is on fire or our heart stops ticking.

 

[Dekster]

I think Hills only retired old people, and teachers thinking they would be making what the top graduate at an Ivy League school would be getting is their own naive nature. Every time I hear a teacher complain about their pay, I tell them, "Well quit and go into the private sector." I have yet to see someone do it.

If we all did that, what would the schools do? They will close, like the schools did in KY when the state legislature stabbed us in the back last week!

Home school. one parent will have to stay home which will create a labor shortage which will drive up wages and make us all so rich we don't need no stinking education.

 

[Dekster]

It is a case of priorities of your state and you get what you pay for

These states look at education as nonessential and are willing to hire those who may not be the best available. The bottom of the barrel is good enough to educate their youth

There is only so much money to go around. Raising education spending may require cuts to police or fire departments or highways or whatever. States cannot print their own money so if teachers need to be paid more, then you should tell us what you think should be cut to pay for it. Whenever teacher pay makes the front page of the paper (or police pay or sanitation workers pay) I know for certain I can expect 1) to see the real estate assessor's car setting in front of my house reassessing my property and 2) Enhanced enforcement of zoning/local code is about to start up. They just raised rates over 11% this year so they know they will not be able to raise those again anytime soon so they will inflate assessments.

Ever hear of volunteer fire departments?

I have. My whole family was on one, and we are lifetime members.

But except in Rural areas they do not exist any more.

You have no idea how much you enjoy giving to your Community. But you have to be dedicated.

There are still some out in the hinderlands of our county. My brother did it for awhile. They are not allowed to make entry into a burning structure unless there is a 100% confirmed live person in it. The EMT's keep threatening to quit unless they get paid what the paid ambulance service people get. The list goes on and on and on as to why they are a bad idea.

 

[Dekster]

I think Hills only retired old people, and teachers thinking they would be making what the top graduate at an Ivy League school would be getting is their own naive nature. Every time I hear a teacher complain about their pay, I tell them, "Well quit and go into the private sector." I have yet to see someone do it.

So...your plan is to dumb down children even more with poorly trained teachers, did you think this through?

Replace the teacher with robots if you are that concerned. That is all they are anyway teaching the test, no toleranceing every student because they are incapable of maintaining discipline. At least the robots can zap their asses

 

[Dekster]

I think Hills only retired old people, and teachers thinking they would be making what the top graduate at an Ivy League school would be getting is their own naive nature. Every time I hear a teacher complain about their pay, I tell them, "Well quit and go into the private sector." I have yet to see someone do it.

Actually, the majority do that...thus such a high turnover rate within the first five years and a teacher shortage.

Baby boomers are retiring.

 

[Dekster]

I think Hills only retired old people, and teachers thinking they would be making what the top graduate at an Ivy League school would be getting is their own naive nature. Every time I hear a teacher complain about their pay, I tell them, "Well quit and go into the private sector." I have yet to see someone do it.

Actually, the majority do that...thus such a high turnover rate within the first five years and a teacher shortage.

We get the educational system we deserve

We even have Betsy DeVos looking after it

We have an over administered education system, but we are, in fact, becoming a society ruled by autocrats. A left autocrat, a right autocrat....they are everywhere.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

I think teacher pay should be increased commensurate to a teacher's education. Teachers should have a formal education background in the courses they are instructing. For example, my biology teacher in high school had his masters in the field. My history teacher had her masters and was a former USN officer and War College instructor. Their experience and educational backgrounds were evident, both in their curriculum and in their ability to deviate and expound upon subjects.

That along with results
I want to see improved performance of their students regardless of their level
D students become C students
C students become B students
B students become A students

That is a problem as educational success has been measured for far too long based upon performance of students. This is too easily manipulated. As a result our schools have been 'dumbed down' ridiculously to accommodate the slowest.
Doubt me? Take the time to peruse 19th and early 20th century textbooks. Students were required to critically think about the material presented to them. School today is a joke...many students agree.
High school is just too easy, students say
What we need to do is to raise the standards required of students. If you press them to strive they will. You cannot expect to produce future leaders by hamstringing the masses for the benefit of the stupid or lazy. As it sits, K-12 in the US is a joke.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Strikes were outlawed decades ago..... Yes, it is a law not a fucking contract item.

Let me guess, a law passed by legislators your stupid union supported? Assuming so, the teachers got what they deserve.

Since the law has been in force for decades and I wasn't a teacher in KY until 2007, what difference did it make? We have republican controlled legislature for now. I may not be voting for their reelection.

I don't vote for Democrats usually, but a KY Democrat is better than most state's Republicans.

 

[rightwinger]

It is a case of priorities of your state and you get what you pay for

These states look at education as nonessential and are willing to hire those who may not be the best available. The bottom of the barrel is good enough to educate their youth

There is only so much money to go around. Raising education spending may require cuts to police or fire departments or highways or whatever. States cannot print their own money so if teachers need to be paid more, then you should tell us what you think should be cut to pay for it. Whenever teacher pay makes the front page of the paper (or police pay or sanitation workers pay) I know for certain I can expect 1) to see the real estate assessor's car setting in front of my house reassessing my property and 2) Enhanced enforcement of zoning/local code is about to start up. They just raised rates over 11% this year so they know they will not be able to raise those again anytime soon so they will inflate assessments.

Again, you get what you pay for

If education is not a priority, teachers are always at the back of the line
A college educated teacher who is not even making $40,000 after ten years on the job will find better options

Yet they seldom do....

Many do ....especially in math, science, computers

 

[Dekster]

It is a case of priorities of your state and you get what you pay for

These states look at education as nonessential and are willing to hire those who may not be the best available. The bottom of the barrel is good enough to educate their youth

There is only so much money to go around. Raising education spending may require cuts to police or fire departments or highways or whatever. States cannot print their own money so if teachers need to be paid more, then you should tell us what you think should be cut to pay for it. Whenever teacher pay makes the front page of the paper (or police pay or sanitation workers pay) I know for certain I can expect 1) to see the real estate assessor's car setting in front of my house reassessing my property and 2) Enhanced enforcement of zoning/local code is about to start up. They just raised rates over 11% this year so they know they will not be able to raise those again anytime soon so they will inflate assessments.

Again, you get what you pay for

If education is not a priority, teachers are always at the back of the line
A college educated teacher who is not even making $40,000 after ten years on the job will find better options

Yet they seldom do....

Many do ....especially in math, science, computers

Then the problem is solved. Let them go work in math and science and computers, but in the redneck part of our nation, they are going to have a hard time finding a job doing that in their field, so hope they didn't buy a house with a big fat mortgage that needs paying off.

 

[rightwinger]

I think teacher pay should be increased commensurate to a teacher's education. Teachers should have a formal education background in the courses they are instructing. For example, my biology teacher in high school had his masters in the field. My history teacher had her masters and was a former USN officer and War College instructor. Their experience and educational backgrounds were evident, both in their curriculum and in their ability to deviate and expound upon subjects.

That along with results
I want to see improved performance of their students regardless of their level
D students become C students
C students become B students
B students become A students

That is a problem as educational success has been measured for far too long based upon performance of students. This is too easily manipulated. As a result our schools have been 'dumbed down' ridiculously to accommodate the slowest.
Doubt me? Take the time to peruse 19th and early 20th century textbooks. Students were required to critically think about the material presented to them. School today is a joke...many students agree.
High school is just too easy, students say
What we need to do is to raise the standards required of students. If you press them to strive they will. You cannot expect to produce future leaders by hamstringing the masses for the benefit of the stupid or lazy. As it sits, K-12 in the US is a joke.

In our state there is a rudimentary bar that students must pass. The school is evaluated on how many students you can get over the bar

To me, if you can take a student who has little promise in life and teach him basic functionality......you have accomplished a lot

19th and early 20th century schooling was a sham. More emphasis on memorization of irrelevant facts and rote learning than critical thinking

I think today’s students are more creative

 

[rightwinger]

It is a case of priorities of your state and you get what you pay for

These states look at education as nonessential and are willing to hire those who may not be the best available. The bottom of the barrel is good enough to educate their youth

There is only so much money to go around. Raising education spending may require cuts to police or fire departments or highways or whatever. States cannot print their own money so if teachers need to be paid more, then you should tell us what you think should be cut to pay for it. Whenever teacher pay makes the front page of the paper (or police pay or sanitation workers pay) I know for certain I can expect 1) to see the real estate assessor's car setting in front of my house reassessing my property and 2) Enhanced enforcement of zoning/local code is about to start up. They just raised rates over 11% this year so they know they will not be able to raise those again anytime soon so they will inflate assessments.

Again, you get what you pay for

If education is not a priority, teachers are always at the back of the line
A college educated teacher who is not even making $40,000 after ten years on the job will find better options

Yet they seldom do....

Many do ....especially in math, science, computers

Then the problem is solved. Let them go work in math and science and computers, but in the redneck part of our nation, they are going to have a hard time finding a job doing that in their field, so hope they didn't buy a house with a big fat mortgage that needs paying off.

What happens to the students in those states who don’t have qualified teachers in math, science, computers or any other subject in demand in the private sector?