JoeB131
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There are a lot of good reasons not to elect Rick Perry, but this isn't one of them.
Todd Willingham was guilty as sin.
Todd Willingham was guilty as sin.
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Guilty? ...... Did you personally examine all evidence, question all witnesses, personally supervise the handling and testing of all lab related material, and listen to the entire trial? Or, are you merely assuming guilt based on news releases and second-hand information? In other words, are you just expressing an opinion based on gut feelings, or do you have something that we don't have to base your finding on?There are a lot of good reasons not to elect Rick Perry, but this isn't one of them.
Todd Willingham was guilty as sin.
As long as the death penalty is there, and in such an instance where authorities mis-use the system, the posted proposal seems just.The officials responsible for willfully suppressing evidence in this capital case should now stand trial for their own lives.
First degree murder... conspiracy... etc, etc., etc.
And, along with the death sentence for themselves, when found guilty, they can toss-in forfeiture of pay and pension and benefits, back-dated to the date of the commission of the crime, and the seizure of sufficient assets to satisfy the financial elements of the sentence.
Crushing their souls prior to execution with the despairing knowledge that they've ruined their families, as well.
That should send a very clear message to those types of Godless, soulless bastards who might otherwise consider such mischief.
True?Any surprise in that backward inbred white trash run state
It’s official, the State of Texas executed an innocent man – an innocent father – after prosecutors deliberately concealed evidence in his children’s arson deaths. Now the state bar of Texas has filed a formal misconduct accusation against the prosecutor in this case.
The bar had already filed a petition in Navarro County, near Dallas, earlier this month that alleged that prosecutor John Jackson deliberately withheld evidence which indicated that Cameron Todd Willingham was innocent. Because of this, Willingham was executed in 2004 for supposedly murdering his three young daughters. His daughters died in a house fire back in 1991, but the evidence Jackson suppressed showed that Willingham had nothing to do with the fire that took his daughters from him.
Texas Executed An Innocent Father After Prosecutor Hid Evidence In Kids Arson Deaths
I'm curious as to whether or not any of you actually READ this article?
From the article
according to the petition and complaint filed. Forensic evidence from the arson investigators was later discredited by experts who claimed that the investigators had “misinterpreted” the evidence.
prosecutors aren't required to hire experts to examine the work done by their own investigators, nor are they required to tell the defense if someone else has.
Also, there is no actual proof that this guy didn't commit the murders.
Morons
There are a lot of good reasons not to elect Rick Perry, but this isn't one of them.
Todd Willingham was guilty as sin.
They are there because they were found guilty by a jury of their peers.[
You do realize that many on death row are there due to circumstantial evidence?
Yes, you're correct. But, in circumstantial evidence cases, the verdict is always based on "gut feelings", "could've been", "might have been", and the smooth talking silvered tongued ability of the prosecutor to convince the jury. Circumstantial cases are not based on hard rock solid concrete undeniable undisputable evidence. Circumstantial cases merely say that it was possible that a person committed the crime. In addition, false witnesses, tainted evidence, and misidentification of a person, have all played a part in wrongful convictions. Check "The Innocence Project" for details and examples.They are there because they were found guilty by a jury of their peers.[
You do realize that many on death row are there due to circumstantial evidence?
The COST factor and the REVENGE factor are not solved through life imprisonment, and, there is always the chance that some flake bleeding heart will parole them in future.As long as the death penalty is there, and in such an instance where authorities mis-use the system, the posted proposal seems just.The officials responsible for willfully suppressing evidence in this capital case should now stand trial for their own lives.
First degree murder... conspiracy... etc, etc., etc.
And, along with the death sentence for themselves, when found guilty, they can toss-in forfeiture of pay and pension and benefits, back-dated to the date of the commission of the crime, and the seizure of sufficient assets to satisfy the financial elements of the sentence.
Crushing their souls prior to execution with the despairing knowledge that they've ruined their families, as well.
That should send a very clear message to those types of Godless, soulless bastards who might otherwise consider such mischief.
There are fundamental problems with the death penalty, both pro and con.
The COST factor and the REVENGE factor are not solved through life imprisonment, and, there is always the chance that some flake bleeding heart will parole them in future.As long as the death penalty is there, and in such an instance where authorities mis-use the system, the posted proposal seems just.The officials responsible for willfully suppressing evidence in this capital case should now stand trial for their own lives.
First degree murder... conspiracy... etc, etc., etc.
And, along with the death sentence for themselves, when found guilty, they can toss-in forfeiture of pay and pension and benefits, back-dated to the date of the commission of the crime, and the seizure of sufficient assets to satisfy the financial elements of the sentence.
Crushing their souls prior to execution with the despairing knowledge that they've ruined their families, as well.
That should send a very clear message to those types of Godless, soulless bastards who might otherwise consider such mischief.
There are fundamental problems with the death penalty, both pro and con.
You are correct that there is always a chance of misuse of power and that there is always a chance of mistaken conviction.
That is an excellent argument for better Quality Control and Monitoring and Review of the entire process, built into the judicial process, in order to avoid such mistakes.
It is an excellent argument for better Quality Control, NOT an end to Capital Punishment.
Most folks understand that you can never take-back an execution, once completed... shit happens.
Most folks also understand the maxim: "Better that a hundred guilty men go free than than one innocent man be convicted."
It's just that - within the domain of heinous crimes - that old maxim just doesn't pass the Sniff Test, in the Real World.
If we shoot or hang or fry or gas or inject 99 murderers, and then make the mistake of doing the same to 1 innocent man, that's a fantastic batting average.
The life of that 1 person is not enough to offset the benefits (cost, revenge) of killing the other 99.
Shit happens.
I agree wholeheartedly with any proposal to create fresh standards and processes and reviewing and monitoring for capital cases that prevents the vast majority of such incidents, and which would also greatly accelerate the appeals process, so that murderers, etc., are waiting 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 years for execution, rather than 10 or 20 or 30 or more.
I do not agree that capital punishment should be abolished.
Well, " IF " you were that "one person" out of a hundred, as you have stated, I doubt very seriously that you'd still feel the same as your comment implies. Can you imagine yourself totally innocent of any crime, yet in prison serving time on death row? Would you still consider yourself as collateral damage of the system you believe in? It's easy for you to pass-off that one person who is innocent, yet serving time, as merely collateral damage in order to ensure the other 99% pay the price for their crimes. Ever tried putting yourself on death row for a crime you didn't commit? I thought so.The COST factor and the REVENGE factor are not solved through life imprisonment, and, there is always the chance that some flake bleeding heart will parole them in future.As long as the death penalty is there, and in such an instance where authorities mis-use the system, the posted proposal seems just.The officials responsible for willfully suppressing evidence in this capital case should now stand trial for their own lives.
First degree murder... conspiracy... etc, etc., etc.
And, along with the death sentence for themselves, when found guilty, they can toss-in forfeiture of pay and pension and benefits, back-dated to the date of the commission of the crime, and the seizure of sufficient assets to satisfy the financial elements of the sentence.
Crushing their souls prior to execution with the despairing knowledge that they've ruined their families, as well.
That should send a very clear message to those types of Godless, soulless bastards who might otherwise consider such mischief.
There are fundamental problems with the death penalty, both pro and con.
You are correct that there is always a chance of misuse of power and that there is always a chance of mistaken conviction.
That is an excellent argument for better Quality Control and Monitoring and Review of the entire process, built into the judicial process, in order to avoid such mistakes.
It is an excellent argument for better Quality Control, NOT an end to Capital Punishment.
Most folks understand that you can never take-back an execution, once completed... shit happens.
Most folks also understand the maxim: "Better that a hundred guilty men go free than than one innocent man be convicted."
It's just that - within the domain of heinous crimes - that old maxim just doesn't pass the Sniff Test, in the Real World.
If we shoot or hang or fry or gas or inject 99 murderers, and then make the mistake of doing the same to 1 innocent man, that's a fantastic batting average.
The life of that 1 person is not enough to offset the benefits (cost, revenge) of killing the other 99.
Shit happens.
I agree wholeheartedly with any proposal to create fresh standards and processes and reviewing and monitoring for capital cases that prevents the vast majority of such incidents, and which would also greatly accelerate the appeals process, so that murderers, etc., are waiting 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 years for execution, rather than 10 or 20 or 30 or more.
I do not agree that capital punishment should be abolished.
Guilty? ...... Did you personally examine all evidence, question all witnesses, personally supervise the handling and testing of all lab related material, and listen to the entire trial? Or, are you merely assuming guilt based on news releases and second-hand information? In other words, are you just expressing an opinion based on gut feelings, or do you have something that we don't have to base your finding on?
AMEN !!! .... Absolutely correct ............ I totally agree 110%...................... It's so easy for others to accept our system of injustice when they're not the victim.The COST factor and the REVENGE factor are not solved through life imprisonment, and, there is always the chance that some flake bleeding heart will parole them in future.As long as the death penalty is there, and in such an instance where authorities mis-use the system, the posted proposal seems just.The officials responsible for willfully suppressing evidence in this capital case should now stand trial for their own lives.
First degree murder... conspiracy... etc, etc., etc.
And, along with the death sentence for themselves, when found guilty, they can toss-in forfeiture of pay and pension and benefits, back-dated to the date of the commission of the crime, and the seizure of sufficient assets to satisfy the financial elements of the sentence.
Crushing their souls prior to execution with the despairing knowledge that they've ruined their families, as well.
That should send a very clear message to those types of Godless, soulless bastards who might otherwise consider such mischief.
There are fundamental problems with the death penalty, both pro and con.
You are correct that there is always a chance of misuse of power and that there is always a chance of mistaken conviction.
That is an excellent argument for better Quality Control and Monitoring and Review of the entire process, built into the judicial process, in order to avoid such mistakes.
It is an excellent argument for better Quality Control, NOT an end to Capital Punishment.
Most folks understand that you can never take-back an execution, once completed... shit happens.
Most folks also understand the maxim: "Better that a hundred guilty men go free than than one innocent man be convicted."
It's just that - within the domain of heinous crimes - that old maxim just doesn't pass the Sniff Test, in the Real World.
If we shoot or hang or fry or gas or inject 99 murderers, and then make the mistake of doing the same to 1 innocent man, that's a fantastic batting average.
The life of that 1 person is not enough to offset the benefits (cost, revenge) of killing the other 99.
Shit happens.
I agree wholeheartedly with any proposal to create fresh standards and processes and reviewing and monitoring for capital cases that prevents the vast majority of such incidents, and which would also greatly accelerate the appeals process, so that murderers, etc., are waiting 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 years for execution, rather than 10 or 20 or 30 or more.
I do not agree that capital punishment should be abolished.
Shit happens until it's one of yours or you yourself.
Yep... ya pays yer money and takes yer chances.The COST factor and the REVENGE factor are not solved through life imprisonment, and, there is always the chance that some flake bleeding heart will parole them in future.As long as the death penalty is there, and in such an instance where authorities mis-use the system, the posted proposal seems just.The officials responsible for willfully suppressing evidence in this capital case should now stand trial for their own lives.
First degree murder... conspiracy... etc, etc., etc.
And, along with the death sentence for themselves, when found guilty, they can toss-in forfeiture of pay and pension and benefits, back-dated to the date of the commission of the crime, and the seizure of sufficient assets to satisfy the financial elements of the sentence.
Crushing their souls prior to execution with the despairing knowledge that they've ruined their families, as well.
That should send a very clear message to those types of Godless, soulless bastards who might otherwise consider such mischief.
There are fundamental problems with the death penalty, both pro and con.
You are correct that there is always a chance of misuse of power and that there is always a chance of mistaken conviction.
That is an excellent argument for better Quality Control and Monitoring and Review of the entire process, built into the judicial process, in order to avoid such mistakes.
It is an excellent argument for better Quality Control, NOT an end to Capital Punishment.
Most folks understand that you can never take-back an execution, once completed... shit happens.
Most folks also understand the maxim: "Better that a hundred guilty men go free than than one innocent man be convicted."
It's just that - within the domain of heinous crimes - that old maxim just doesn't pass the Sniff Test, in the Real World.
If we shoot or hang or fry or gas or inject 99 murderers, and then make the mistake of doing the same to 1 innocent man, that's a fantastic batting average.
The life of that 1 person is not enough to offset the benefits (cost, revenge) of killing the other 99.
Shit happens.
I agree wholeheartedly with any proposal to create fresh standards and processes and reviewing and monitoring for capital cases that prevents the vast majority of such incidents, and which would also greatly accelerate the appeals process, so that murderers, etc., are waiting 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 years for execution, rather than 10 or 20 or 30 or more.
I do not agree that capital punishment should be abolished.
Shit happens until it's one of yours or you yourself.
We are talking about matters of Law.AMEN !!! .... Absolutely correct ............ I totally agree 110%...................... It's so easy for others to accept our system of injustice when they're not the victim.The COST factor and the REVENGE factor are not solved through life imprisonment, and, there is always the chance that some flake bleeding heart will parole them in future.As long as the death penalty is there, and in such an instance where authorities mis-use the system, the posted proposal seems just.The officials responsible for willfully suppressing evidence in this capital case should now stand trial for their own lives.
First degree murder... conspiracy... etc, etc., etc.
And, along with the death sentence for themselves, when found guilty, they can toss-in forfeiture of pay and pension and benefits, back-dated to the date of the commission of the crime, and the seizure of sufficient assets to satisfy the financial elements of the sentence.
Crushing their souls prior to execution with the despairing knowledge that they've ruined their families, as well.
That should send a very clear message to those types of Godless, soulless bastards who might otherwise consider such mischief.
There are fundamental problems with the death penalty, both pro and con.
You are correct that there is always a chance of misuse of power and that there is always a chance of mistaken conviction.
That is an excellent argument for better Quality Control and Monitoring and Review of the entire process, built into the judicial process, in order to avoid such mistakes.
It is an excellent argument for better Quality Control, NOT an end to Capital Punishment.
Most folks understand that you can never take-back an execution, once completed... shit happens.
Most folks also understand the maxim: "Better that a hundred guilty men go free than than one innocent man be convicted."
It's just that - within the domain of heinous crimes - that old maxim just doesn't pass the Sniff Test, in the Real World.
If we shoot or hang or fry or gas or inject 99 murderers, and then make the mistake of doing the same to 1 innocent man, that's a fantastic batting average.
The life of that 1 person is not enough to offset the benefits (cost, revenge) of killing the other 99.
Shit happens.
I agree wholeheartedly with any proposal to create fresh standards and processes and reviewing and monitoring for capital cases that prevents the vast majority of such incidents, and which would also greatly accelerate the appeals process, so that murderers, etc., are waiting 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 years for execution, rather than 10 or 20 or 30 or more.
I do not agree that capital punishment should be abolished.
Shit happens until it's one of yours or you yourself.
And her motive? What makes her believable? Is her honesty without question? Isn't what she said a matter of "he said she said"? Do you know her personally and can attest to her honesty and unquestionable integrity? Well, I'm telling you that cotton will fall to a penny a pound tomorrow. Do you believe me? If not, why not?Guilty? ...... Did you personally examine all evidence, question all witnesses, personally supervise the handling and testing of all lab related material, and listen to the entire trial? Or, are you merely assuming guilt based on news releases and second-hand information? In other words, are you just expressing an opinion based on gut feelings, or do you have something that we don't have to base your finding on?
You mean other than a jury found him guilty and several levels of courts reviewed his case?
How about the fact he confessed to his ex wife?
Cameron Todd Willingham s Ex-Wife Stacy Kuykendall Says Texas Shouldn t Pardon Him EXCLUSIVE
But by 2004, she had declared Willingham guilty. She told the Corsicana Daily Sun that a close examination of the evidence persuaded her that Willingham was not innocent.
In 2009, she unleashed a startling accusation that Willingham confessed the crime to her when she visited him on death row. Though she hadn't said this to investigators or during his trial, Kuykendall said she threatened to divorce Willingham the night before the fire.
She stood by that claim in her statement to HuffPost
"I did not want to believe that he could kill our children either, but he did," she said. "Shortly before his execution, I spoke to Todd about the murders and he admitted his guilt to me
And her motive? What makes her believable? Is her honesty without question? Isn't what she said a matter of "he said she said"? Do you know her personally and can attest to her honesty and unquestionable integrity? Well, I'm telling you that cotton will fall to a penny a pound tomorrow. Do you believe me? If not, why not?
Fair enough. The "LAW" says innocent until proven guilty. Circumstantial cases are not based on "PROOF". They are based on "gut feelings", "could've been", "might have been", and the ability of a smooth talking silvered tongued prosecutor to convince a jury.We are talking about matters of Law.AMEN !!! .... Absolutely correct ............ I totally agree 110%...................... It's so easy for others to accept our system of injustice when they're not the victim.The COST factor and the REVENGE factor are not solved through life imprisonment, and, there is always the chance that some flake bleeding heart will parole them in future.As long as the death penalty is there, and in such an instance where authorities mis-use the system, the posted proposal seems just.The officials responsible for willfully suppressing evidence in this capital case should now stand trial for their own lives.
First degree murder... conspiracy... etc, etc., etc.
And, along with the death sentence for themselves, when found guilty, they can toss-in forfeiture of pay and pension and benefits, back-dated to the date of the commission of the crime, and the seizure of sufficient assets to satisfy the financial elements of the sentence.
Crushing their souls prior to execution with the despairing knowledge that they've ruined their families, as well.
That should send a very clear message to those types of Godless, soulless bastards who might otherwise consider such mischief.
There are fundamental problems with the death penalty, both pro and con.
You are correct that there is always a chance of misuse of power and that there is always a chance of mistaken conviction.
That is an excellent argument for better Quality Control and Monitoring and Review of the entire process, built into the judicial process, in order to avoid such mistakes.
It is an excellent argument for better Quality Control, NOT an end to Capital Punishment.
Most folks understand that you can never take-back an execution, once completed... shit happens.
Most folks also understand the maxim: "Better that a hundred guilty men go free than than one innocent man be convicted."
It's just that - within the domain of heinous crimes - that old maxim just doesn't pass the Sniff Test, in the Real World.
If we shoot or hang or fry or gas or inject 99 murderers, and then make the mistake of doing the same to 1 innocent man, that's a fantastic batting average.
The life of that 1 person is not enough to offset the benefits (cost, revenge) of killing the other 99.
Shit happens.
I agree wholeheartedly with any proposal to create fresh standards and processes and reviewing and monitoring for capital cases that prevents the vast majority of such incidents, and which would also greatly accelerate the appeals process, so that murderers, etc., are waiting 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 years for execution, rather than 10 or 20 or 30 or more.
I do not agree that capital punishment should be abolished.
Shit happens until it's one of yours or you yourself.
Touch-Feely really doesn't enter into it.
"NO reason to lie"? Do you know her personally? Do you know anything about her other than what has been made public concerning this case? How long have you known her? How many long and personal conversations have the two of you had over the years? Were the two of you neighbors? Did the two of you work for the same company for years and became very close friends? Exactly what do you know about this lady? Or, you are just assuming that she has no reason(s) to lie about hearing her husband say that he committed the crime? Which is it?And her motive? What makes her believable? Is her honesty without question? Isn't what she said a matter of "he said she said"? Do you know her personally and can attest to her honesty and unquestionable integrity? Well, I'm telling you that cotton will fall to a penny a pound tomorrow. Do you believe me? If not, why not?
Guy, i oppose capital punishment and I think that Rick Perry is a fool.
But on this case, no, the guy really did it. Yes, I believe his wife because she really had no reason to lie about it.
Guilty? ...... Did you personally examine all evidence, question all witnesses, personally supervise the handling and testing of all lab related material, and listen to the entire trial? Or, are you merely assuming guilt based on news releases and second-hand information? In other words, are you just expressing an opinion based on gut feelings, or do you have something that we don't have to base your finding on?
You mean other than a jury found him guilty and several levels of courts reviewed his case?
How about the fact he confessed to his ex wife?
Cameron Todd Willingham s Ex-Wife Stacy Kuykendall Says Texas Shouldn t Pardon Him EXCLUSIVE
But by 2004, she had declared Willingham guilty. She told the Corsicana Daily Sun that a close examination of the evidence persuaded her that Willingham was not innocent.
In 2009, she unleashed a startling accusation that Willingham confessed the crime to her when she visited him on death row. Though she hadn't said this to investigators or during his trial, Kuykendall said she threatened to divorce Willingham the night before the fire.
She stood by that claim in her statement to HuffPost
"I did not want to believe that he could kill our children either, but he did," she said. "Shortly before his execution, I spoke to Todd about the murders and he admitted his guilt to me
Any surprise in that backward inbred white trash run state
It’s official, the State of Texas executed an innocent man – an innocent father – after prosecutors deliberately concealed evidence in his children’s arson deaths. Now the state bar of Texas has filed a formal misconduct accusation against the prosecutor in this case.
The bar had already filed a petition in Navarro County, near Dallas, earlier this month that alleged that prosecutor John Jackson deliberately withheld evidence which indicated that Cameron Todd Willingham was innocent. Because of this, Willingham was executed in 2004 for supposedly murdering his three young daughters. His daughters died in a house fire back in 1991, but the evidence Jackson suppressed showed that Willingham had nothing to do with the fire that took his daughters from him.
Texas Executed An Innocent Father After Prosecutor Hid Evidence In Kids Arson Deaths