Thanks Barack 3 West Virginia Coal Plants to Close

[Big Fitz]

And the people will put up with it for so long, then they'll vote the bums out who are for it, put in those who don't who will demand a competitor take their place, and trust me, a rival, if they can generate the power cheaper AND increase profit by expanding customer base will go for it in a heartbeat.

Stupid market system. Fucking up some good corporatist antics and socialism.

If you really want to screw the price on energy, mandate 2 suppliers for every municipality. Competition would be a huge boon for us, but hell on producers. Or at least it'd prevent the monopolistic rise of prices because you have no where else to turn.

 

[bripat9643]

More FACTS for CONs, FirstEnergy ea windfall from closing the plants:

(AP) NEW YORK — Instead of complaining about clean air rules, maybe utilities should cheer them.

Sometimes, the rules lead to big gains.

First Energy, a utility based in Ohio, got such a boost Thursday, a week after the company announced it would close six coal-fired plants, blaming new federal rules aimed at slowing emissions of mercury and other toxins.

Without these plants, electricity prices in parts of Ohio dominated by First Energy are expected to nearly double at a power auction scheduled for May.

The reason: There will now be a smaller fleet of power plants available to meet potential power needs. This smaller supply means the price to coax companies like First Energy to make their plants available will rise.

Read: More crony capitalism and higher prices for the proles.

Big whoop.

Note that the libturd is cheering about the fact that the EPA regulations caused energy prices to double. I'm sure all of First energy's customers will be cheering when they open their utility bills and note the amount next month is double what they normally pay.

 

[Oddball]

this case is fascinating and very sad for those stationed at Camp Lejeune from the '50s thru the late '80s. i've been following it for years.

Camp Lejeune water contamination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which brings up another salient point...

The #1 source of industrial pollution and hazardous waste in the nation: The District of Columbia Corporation.

Now, somehow or another, we're supposed to sit back and let them tell the rest of us how we may or may not run our businesses, run our farms, heat and light our homes, where we can or can't place structures....

i can't speak for the entire government, but i know that the water at Camp Lejeune, since all this information came out, is probably the most tested/clean in the country. those in charge were under major pressure to never let something like this happen again to our military.

Yeah, I get that part.

In the meantime, there are scores -if not hundreds- of military installations, ammo dumps, arsenals and gunnery ranges (hell, how many duds do you imagine might be laying around White Sands?) that are some of the most dangerously polluted areas in the nation....Then we can look at places like Oak Ridge, Los Alamos, Rocky Flats, the TVA, on and on and on.

But don't you dare try to fill in the 1/2 acre swamp -I'm sorry wetland- in order to have a little more arable land for your farm, lest you destroy the habitat of the endangered sabre toothed wood tick !

 

[Peach]

Yes they were, which does bring a certain (albeit small) measure of federal jurisdiction, as rivers were the interstate highways of yesteryear.

That said, states and localities were already banning open trash burning, adopting airshed regs, water and sewage treatment standards, etcetera, long before 1970.

The problems LOCAL enforcement is expensive for the localities; Code Enforcement violations, in my state, create small liens on properties. Small local governments cannot afford to enforce regulations.

Then why does the Imperial FED impose them?

I referenced local regs.

 

[Peach]

More FACTS for CONs, FirstEnergy ea windfall from closing the plants:

(AP) NEW YORK — Instead of complaining about clean air rules, maybe utilities should cheer them.

Sometimes, the rules lead to big gains.

First Energy, a utility based in Ohio, got such a boost Thursday, a week after the company announced it would close six coal-fired plants, blaming new federal rules aimed at slowing emissions of mercury and other toxins.

Without these plants, electricity prices in parts of Ohio dominated by First Energy are expected to nearly double at a power auction scheduled for May.

The reason: There will now be a smaller fleet of power plants available to meet potential power needs. This smaller supply means the price to coax companies like First Energy to make their plants available will rise.

Read: More crony capitalism and higher prices for the proles.

Big whoop.

Note that the libturd is cheering about the fact that the EPA regulations caused energy prices to double. I'm sure all of First energy's customers will be cheering when they open their utility bills and note the amount next month is double what they normally pay.

Incorrect brit, I am not cheering FIRSTENERGY'S decision to go for big money rather spend less to comply with EPA. I note it was a company choice.

 

[Oddball]

Read: More crony capitalism and higher prices for the proles.

Big whoop.

Note that the libturd is cheering about the fact that the EPA regulations caused energy prices to double. I'm sure all of First energy's customers will be cheering when they open their utility bills and note the amount next month is double what they normally pay.

Incorrect brit, I am not cheering FIRSTENERGY'S decision to go for big money rather spend less to comply with EPA. I note it was a company choice.

You really have zero idea of the economics in play here, don't you?

 

[bripat9643]

Note that the libturd is cheering about the fact that the EPA regulations caused energy prices to double. I'm sure all of First energy's customers will be cheering when they open their utility bills and note the amount next month is double what they normally pay.

Incorrect brit, I am not cheering FIRSTENERGY'S decision to go for big money rather spend less to comply with EPA. I note it was a company choice.

If it was less expensive to upgrade the plants, they would have done it. They didn't know that closing the plants would double the price of electricity. And you are cheering for the doubling of energy prices. You actually want energy consumers to pay double what they have been paying.

I always laugh when libs start waxing sanctimoniously about their "concern" for consumers and the poor.

 

[Big Fitz]

Note that the libturd is cheering about the fact that the EPA regulations caused energy prices to double. I'm sure all of First energy's customers will be cheering when they open their utility bills and note the amount next month is double what they normally pay.

Incorrect brit, I am not cheering FIRSTENERGY'S decision to go for big money rather spend less to comply with EPA. I note it was a company choice.

You really have zero idea of the economics in play here, don't you?

In this instance, Atlas is shrugging.

 

[The T]

The problems LOCAL enforcement is expensive for the localities; Code Enforcement violations, in my state, create small liens on properties. Small local governments cannot afford to enforce regulations.

Then why does the Imperial FED impose them?

I referenced local regs.

And they are borne of what...? And IF they don't comply...they don't get what?

Fill in the blanks.

 

[bripat9643]

In this instance, Atlas is shrugging.

Good point. The libturds make coal fired power plants shut down, and then blame power companies for the resulting increase in the price of energy. That is so "Atlas Shrugged."

 

[CaughtInTheMid]

Which brings up another salient point...

The #1 source of industrial pollution and hazardous waste in the nation: The District of Columbia Corporation.

Now, somehow or another, we're supposed to sit back and let them tell the rest of us how we may or may not run our businesses, run our farms, heat and light our homes, where we can or can't place structures....

i can't speak for the entire government, but i know that the water at Camp Lejeune, since all this information came out, is probably the most tested/clean in the country. those in charge were under major pressure to never let something like this happen again to our military.

Yeah, I get that part.

In the meantime, there are scores -if not hundreds- of military installations, ammo dumps, arsenals and gunnery ranges (hell, how many duds do you imagine might be laying around White Sands?) that are some of the most dangerously polluted areas in the nation....Then we can look at places like Oak Ridge, Los Alamos, Rocky Flats, the TVA, on and on and on.

But don't you dare try to fill in the 1/2 acre swamp -I'm sorry wetland- in order to have a little more arable land for your farm, lest you destroy the habitat of the endangered sabre toothed wood tick !

are you saying that the epa needs to get more involved in monitoring military installations for environmental abuses?

 

[Big Fitz]

In this instance, Atlas is shrugging.

Good point. The libturds make coal fired power plants shut down, and then blame power companies for the resulting increase in the price of energy. That is so "Atlas Shrugged."

Essentially, they're saying "If I'm not allowed to make a profit by my work, I choose to not work."

Let the chips fall where they may, and God help us in the middle. Even those of us who support them and not the looters.

 

[tinydancer]

Which brings up another salient point...

The #1 source of industrial pollution and hazardous waste in the nation: The District of Columbia Corporation.

Now, somehow or another, we're supposed to sit back and let them tell the rest of us how we may or may not run our businesses, run our farms, heat and light our homes, where we can or can't place structures....

i can't speak for the entire government, but i know that the water at Camp Lejeune, since all this information came out, is probably the most tested/clean in the country. those in charge were under major pressure to never let something like this happen again to our military.

Yeah, I get that part.

In the meantime, there are scores -if not hundreds- of military installations, ammo dumps, arsenals and gunnery ranges (hell, how many duds do you imagine might be laying around White Sands?) that are some of the most dangerously polluted areas in the nation....Then we can look at places like Oak Ridge, Los Alamos, Rocky Flats, the TVA, on and on and on.

But don't you dare try to fill in the 1/2 acre swamp -I'm sorry wetland- in order to have a little more arable land for your farm, lest you destroy the habitat of the endangered sabre toothed wood tick !

Oh bingo bango. Disclaimer in the sense that I've been with Ducks Unlimited from the beginning but this is soooooooooooooooooo different than what is happening now. Ducks Unlimited are not the government and they bought their wetlands. Another topic, another day.

OMG do you know about this family in Idaho who got raided by the EPA and are having thousands upon thousands of dollars ripped from them to defend a building choice?

It's a nightmare beyond.

Check this out for those that might not have heard of this. This is beyond scary.A family in Idaho is facing the prospect of seeing the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) take over the land upon which they had planned to build their dream home.

Even worse, the family is being told they have no legal standing to challenge the EPA. This is not some dystopian future and this is not an academic thought experiment.

This is happening right now to the Sackett family in Idaho, a family whose last hope is that the Supreme Court agrees to take up their case and allow them the “right” to challenge the EPA.

According to reports, the Sacketts had purchased land in a residential subdivision in Priest Lake, Idaho and begun excavation work to build their dream home. A that point an EPA bureaucrat appeared and told the Sacketts that their land fell under the EPA’s jurisdiction to protect wetlands, even though no standing or continuous running water exists on their land. To add insult to injury, the Sacketts were also told they have no appeal rights over this decision; the EPA rulings on these matters are final.

Their only option is to spend money undoing the work they have thus far completed, then spend hundreds of thousands of dollars applying for a special permit to allow them to build their home, then spend money rebuilding the home they had to stop building prior to the EPA intervention. That is representative government at work?



whoopsies nyquil or dementia and we can do a poll later in the flame zone

ETA

http://www.examiner.com/law-and-pol...ttempts-to-charge-them-for-the-right-to-a-fai

 

[bripat9643]

In this instance, Atlas is shrugging.

Good point. The libturds make coal fired power plants shut down, and then blame power companies for the resulting increase in the price of energy. That is so "Atlas Shrugged."

Essentially, they're saying "If I'm not allowed to make a profit by my work, I choose to not work."

Let the chips fall where they may, and God help us in the middle. Even those of us who support them and not the looters.

I wish that were true. The reality is that the execs simply made a business decision. They looked at the cost of upgrading the plants and the cost of shutting them down and determined that the later was the cheaper option. The people suffering from this debacle are the power consumers. My only consolation is that more than half of them voted for Obama. They deserve exactly what they get.

 

[bripat9643]

i can't speak for the entire government, but i know that the water at Camp Lejeune, since all this information came out, is probably the most tested/clean in the country. those in charge were under major pressure to never let something like this happen again to our military.

Yeah, I get that part.

In the meantime, there are scores -if not hundreds- of military installations, ammo dumps, arsenals and gunnery ranges (hell, how many duds do you imagine might be laying around White Sands?) that are some of the most dangerously polluted areas in the nation....Then we can look at places like Oak Ridge, Los Alamos, Rocky Flats, the TVA, on and on and on.

But don't you dare try to fill in the 1/2 acre swamp -I'm sorry wetland- in order to have a little more arable land for your farm, lest you destroy the habitat of the endangered sabre toothed wood tick !

Oh bingo bango. Disclaimer in the sense that I've been with Ducks Unlimited from the beginning but this is soooooooooooooooooo different than what is happening now. Ducks Unlimited are not the government and they bought their wetlands. Another topic, another day.

OMG do you know about this family in Idaho who got raided by the EPA and are having thousands upon thousands of dollars ripped from them to defend a building choice?

It's a nightmare beyond.

Check this out for those that might not have heard of this. This is beyond scary.A family in Idaho is facing the prospect of seeing the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) take over the land upon which they had planned to build their dream home.

Even worse, the family is being told they have no legal standing to challenge the EPA. This is not some dystopian future and this is not an academic thought experiment.

This is happening right now to the Sackett family in Idaho, a family whose last hope is that the Supreme Court agrees to take up their case and allow them the “right” to challenge the EPA.

According to reports, the Sacketts had purchased land in a residential subdivision in Priest Lake, Idaho and begun excavation work to build their dream home. A that point an EPA bureaucrat appeared and told the Sacketts that their land fell under the EPA’s jurisdiction to protect wetlands, even though no standing or continuous running water exists on their land. To add insult to injury, the Sacketts were also told they have no appeal rights over this decision; the EPA rulings on these matters are final.

Their only option is to spend money undoing the work they have thus far completed, then spend hundreds of thousands of dollars applying for a special permit to allow them to build their home, then spend money rebuilding the home they had to stop building prior to the EPA intervention. That is representative government at work?

Here's the lesson to learn from that: If you buy land and find any "wetlands" on it, buy a pump and suck all the water out of it immediately. If you find any endangered species on the property, exterminate them immediately. In fact, the best thing would be to fumigate the entire property with cyanide the minute you take possession.

 

[CaughtInTheMid]

Yeah, I get that part.

In the meantime, there are scores -if not hundreds- of military installations, ammo dumps, arsenals and gunnery ranges (hell, how many duds do you imagine might be laying around White Sands?) that are some of the most dangerously polluted areas in the nation....Then we can look at places like Oak Ridge, Los Alamos, Rocky Flats, the TVA, on and on and on.

But don't you dare try to fill in the 1/2 acre swamp -I'm sorry wetland- in order to have a little more arable land for your farm, lest you destroy the habitat of the endangered sabre toothed wood tick !

Oh bingo bango. Disclaimer in the sense that I've been with Ducks Unlimited from the beginning but this is soooooooooooooooooo different than what is happening now. Ducks Unlimited are not the government and they bought their wetlands. Another topic, another day.

OMG do you know about this family in Idaho who got raided by the EPA and are having thousands upon thousands of dollars ripped from them to defend a building choice?

It's a nightmare beyond.

Check this out for those that might not have heard of this. This is beyond scary.A family in Idaho is facing the prospect of seeing the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) take over the land upon which they had planned to build their dream home.

Even worse, the family is being told they have no legal standing to challenge the EPA. This is not some dystopian future and this is not an academic thought experiment.

This is happening right now to the Sackett family in Idaho, a family whose last hope is that the Supreme Court agrees to take up their case and allow them the “right” to challenge the EPA.

According to reports, the Sacketts had purchased land in a residential subdivision in Priest Lake, Idaho and begun excavation work to build their dream home. A that point an EPA bureaucrat appeared and told the Sacketts that their land fell under the EPA’s jurisdiction to protect wetlands, even though no standing or continuous running water exists on their land. To add insult to injury, the Sacketts were also told they have no appeal rights over this decision; the EPA rulings on these matters are final.

Their only option is to spend money undoing the work they have thus far completed, then spend hundreds of thousands of dollars applying for a special permit to allow them to build their home, then spend money rebuilding the home they had to stop building prior to the EPA intervention. That is representative government at work?

Here's the lesson to learn from that: If you buy land and find any "wetlands" on it, buy a pump and suck all the water out of it immediately. If you find any endangered species on the property, exterminate them immediately. In fact, the best thing would be to fumigate the entire property with cyanide the minute you take possession.

cool plan. maybe we can get those around the Amazon to do the same.

 

[Oddball]

i can't speak for the entire government, but i know that the water at Camp Lejeune, since all this information came out, is probably the most tested/clean in the country. those in charge were under major pressure to never let something like this happen again to our military.

Yeah, I get that part.

In the meantime, there are scores -if not hundreds- of military installations, ammo dumps, arsenals and gunnery ranges (hell, how many duds do you imagine might be laying around White Sands?) that are some of the most dangerously polluted areas in the nation....Then we can look at places like Oak Ridge, Los Alamos, Rocky Flats, the TVA, on and on and on.

But don't you dare try to fill in the 1/2 acre swamp -I'm sorry wetland- in order to have a little more arable land for your farm, lest you destroy the habitat of the endangered sabre toothed wood tick !

Oh bingo bango. Disclaimer in the sense that I've been with Ducks Unlimited from the beginning but this is soooooooooooooooooo different than what is happening now. Ducks Unlimited are not the government and they bought their wetlands. Another topic, another day.

OMG do you know about this family in Idaho who got raided by the EPA and are having thousands upon thousands of dollars ripped from them to defend a building choice?

It's a nightmare beyond.

Check this out for those that might not have heard of this. This is beyond scary.A family in Idaho is facing the prospect of seeing the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) take over the land upon which they had planned to build their dream home.

Even worse, the family is being told they have no legal standing to challenge the EPA. This is not some dystopian future and this is not an academic thought experiment.

This is happening right now to the Sackett family in Idaho, a family whose last hope is that the Supreme Court agrees to take up their case and allow them the “right” to challenge the EPA.

According to reports, the Sacketts had purchased land in a residential subdivision in Priest Lake, Idaho and begun excavation work to build their dream home. A that point an EPA bureaucrat appeared and told the Sacketts that their land fell under the EPA’s jurisdiction to protect wetlands, even though no standing or continuous running water exists on their land. To add insult to injury, the Sacketts were also told they have no appeal rights over this decision; the EPA rulings on these matters are final.

Their only option is to spend money undoing the work they have thus far completed, then spend hundreds of thousands of dollars applying for a special permit to allow them to build their home, then spend money rebuilding the home they had to stop building prior to the EPA intervention. That is representative government at work?



whoopsies nyquil or dementia and we can do a poll later in the flame zone

ETA

EPA takes land; attempts to charge family for right to appeal - National Law and Politics | Examiner.com

Fortunately, The Institute for Justice (donate today...I do!) is on the case.

Sackett v. EPA Amicus Release: 10-3-2011 | The Institute for Justice

 

[Big Fitz]

Yeah, I get that part.

In the meantime, there are scores -if not hundreds- of military installations, ammo dumps, arsenals and gunnery ranges (hell, how many duds do you imagine might be laying around White Sands?) that are some of the most dangerously polluted areas in the nation....Then we can look at places like Oak Ridge, Los Alamos, Rocky Flats, the TVA, on and on and on.

But don't you dare try to fill in the 1/2 acre swamp -I'm sorry wetland- in order to have a little more arable land for your farm, lest you destroy the habitat of the endangered sabre toothed wood tick !

Oh bingo bango. Disclaimer in the sense that I've been with Ducks Unlimited from the beginning but this is soooooooooooooooooo different than what is happening now. Ducks Unlimited are not the government and they bought their wetlands. Another topic, another day.

OMG do you know about this family in Idaho who got raided by the EPA and are having thousands upon thousands of dollars ripped from them to defend a building choice?

It's a nightmare beyond.

Check this out for those that might not have heard of this. This is beyond scary.A family in Idaho is facing the prospect of seeing the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) take over the land upon which they had planned to build their dream home.

Even worse, the family is being told they have no legal standing to challenge the EPA. This is not some dystopian future and this is not an academic thought experiment.

This is happening right now to the Sackett family in Idaho, a family whose last hope is that the Supreme Court agrees to take up their case and allow them the “right” to challenge the EPA.

According to reports, the Sacketts had purchased land in a residential subdivision in Priest Lake, Idaho and begun excavation work to build their dream home. A that point an EPA bureaucrat appeared and told the Sacketts that their land fell under the EPA’s jurisdiction to protect wetlands, even though no standing or continuous running water exists on their land. To add insult to injury, the Sacketts were also told they have no appeal rights over this decision; the EPA rulings on these matters are final.

Their only option is to spend money undoing the work they have thus far completed, then spend hundreds of thousands of dollars applying for a special permit to allow them to build their home, then spend money rebuilding the home they had to stop building prior to the EPA intervention. That is representative government at work?

Here's the lesson to learn from that: If you buy land and find any "wetlands" on it, buy a pump and suck all the water out of it immediately. If you find any endangered species on the property, exterminate them immediately. In fact, the best thing would be to fumigate the entire property with cyanide the minute you take possession.

Kill IT! KILL IT with FIRE!!!!!!!!!

 

[bripat9643]

More FACTS for CONs, FirstEnergy ea windfall from closing the plants:

(AP) NEW YORK — Instead of complaining about clean air rules, maybe utilities should cheer them.

Sometimes, the rules lead to big gains.

First Energy, a utility based in Ohio, got such a boost Thursday, a week after the company announced it would close six coal-fired plants, blaming new federal rules aimed at slowing emissions of mercury and other toxins.

Without these plants, electricity prices in parts of Ohio dominated by First Energy are expected to nearly double at a power auction scheduled for May.

The reason: There will now be a smaller fleet of power plants available to meet potential power needs. This smaller supply means the price to coax companies like First Energy to make their plants available will rise.

No one is shedding any tears for the utility companies. The people getting screwed are power consumers, especially poor people. You and the other sanctimonious liberal wack jobs who support this regulation obviously don't give a flying fuck about them.

 

[Oddball]

i can't speak for the entire government, but i know that the water at Camp Lejeune, since all this information came out, is probably the most tested/clean in the country. those in charge were under major pressure to never let something like this happen again to our military.

Yeah, I get that part.

In the meantime, there are scores -if not hundreds- of military installations, ammo dumps, arsenals and gunnery ranges (hell, how many duds do you imagine might be laying around White Sands?) that are some of the most dangerously polluted areas in the nation....Then we can look at places like Oak Ridge, Los Alamos, Rocky Flats, the TVA, on and on and on.

But don't you dare try to fill in the 1/2 acre swamp -I'm sorry wetland- in order to have a little more arable land for your farm, lest you destroy the habitat of the endangered sabre toothed wood tick !

are you saying that the epa needs to get more involved in monitoring military installations for environmental abuses?

I'm saying that the nannies should clean up their own damned back yard before they go pushing around the people who pay their bloated salaries.