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The 1st and 2nd amendments had the same purpose

The 1st and 2nd amendments had the same purpose: protections against a tyrannical government.
Donald Trump is trying to take away the 1st amendment.
Most Trump supporters are sticklers on the 2nd amendment.
If you are a true believer in the constitution you should protect the 1st amendment as much as the 2nd amendment.

In today's world the 1st amendment is a realistic tool against a tyrannical government.
I do not feel owning all the guns in the world will protect you from an oppressive government today. Our government has many more weapons than guns.

how is he trying to take away the 1st amendment? Has he silenced any reporter from saying whatever they want to the people via their media? He spent a whole hour taking questions from them during his press conference.

Telling someone what they don't want to hear or can't comprehend is not squashing 1st amendment rights.

The progressive left, on the other hand, is far more selective about what 1st amendment rights they choose to support:

Florist discriminated against same-sex couple - CNN.com

In addition to first amendment protections, Stutzman argued that no real harm came from her refusal because other florists were available and willing to serve the couple.
The judges rejected both claims. They sided with Ingersoll and Freed's argument that their case was about more than access to flowers, just as civil rights cases of the 1960s were about more than access to sandwiches.

Trump is not trying to take away the first amendment....he is trying to delegitimize it with the American public
Don't trust what the press is saying about me.....Fake news, fake news, fake news
The press hates me....that is why you hear bad things about me

A free press is the biggest challenge to Trumps agenda. Get the American public to not trust what is being said is the easiest way for Trump to do what he wants without media oversight

A press linked to the Democratic Party ala "The Human Centipede" cannot be defined as "free press" even in your wildest of delusions.

I disagree. It is still a free press and an independent press. What it isn't is a NEUTRAL press, despite it's claims to the contrary. It's free of the government and independent of it, but it is 100% committed to one side of the political argument.

I don't agree. The Carlos Slim NY Times is far from independent. It is owned by, and operated on behalf of the international socialist cabal.

The MS in MSNBC stands for Microsoft; just how independent are these radical left loons?
 
A free press, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and a right to vote have kept government in check for over 200 years. We have never needed a second amendment to keep the government in check

The second amendment is no longer needed. We have the most powerful military in history. We no longer need "Well Regulated Militias"
Civilians using arms against a tyrannical government may have been an option in 1776 but it is no longer an option today

The right to bear arms should be relegated to individual states as they see fit
Without the second admendment any sort of freedom is dead...

The Second Amendment has never been used to defend our freedom

Free press, Freedom of Assembly and the right to vote has protected our freedom for over 200 years
The very makeup of the federal government now is opposite of what the founders envisioned....
 
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We are talking the ENTIRE Press Corps that Trump is calling fake
If you feel a story is fake, then provide REAL FACTS proving a story is fake. That is the way it works. Simply chanting Fake News, Fake News, Fake News ...does not make it so
It has gotten so bad that Trumps is only calling on the Christian News Service and Breitbart as trusted news services

The Press is asking questions for the American people. That is what the first amendment intended
Trump ignoring the media he does not like is not the solution

As you well know, CNN, The NY Time, WaPo, MSDNC, et al flat out fabricate stories to slander the opposition. These people lied openly during the campaign and haven't changed much.

They are fake news, and America knows it.
 
The actions of most of the press, and their blatant partisanship is to blame for it, not Trump. People have been saying this for the past two decades, or longer. All Trump did was show it to the less politically astute people out there.

The press mostly DOES hate him, at least the ones that are merely Democrats with bylines.

A free, independent press is actually the greatest threat to progressives, who have shown recently they cannot deal with opinions outside of their comfort zone. Some classic liberals, like Maher understand this (even if he is a fucking asshole, he's a principled asshole), but the rest of the progressive umbrella is all about suppression of speech and ideas they disagree with.

We are talking the ENTIRE Press Corps that Trump is calling fake
If you feel a story is fake, then provide REAL FACTS proving a story is fake. That is the way it works. Simply chanting Fake News, Fake News, Fake News ...does not make it so
It has gotten so bad that Trumps is only calling on the Christian News Service and Breitbart as trusted news services

The Press is asking questions for the American people. That is what the first amendment intended
Trump ignoring the media he does not like is not the solution
Even Fox News has turned against Trump

Fox nation will turn on Shep Smith and he will be out the door

But you could see in his commentary yesterday that "enough is enough"
Shep is a left wing nut job...
A few weeks ago you probably loved the guy, but your kind will turn on anyone in a minutes time. Shep was right on!
Anyone could see he's a lefty at heart… Hypocrisy flows through him
 
You sound, well, brain washed. Reduce your consumption of radical left talking points immediately.
Please explain the flaw in my argument.

You have made no argument.
Do you think the 1st amendment is as important as the 2nd amendment. I am sure your answer is yes.
Trump is trying undermine the freedom of the press.

Pretty simple.

IMHO the best way to assure a free and honest press is for an adversarial relationship between politicians and the press to exist. You should start worrying about freedom of the press being undermined when you see politicians and journalists cozying up with one another since that's when journalistic integrity and objectivity goes out the door.

Trump isn't "undermining the freedom of the press" he's doing his part in attempting to keep them honest and they need to do the same with him.
 
A free press, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and a right to vote have kept government in check for over 200 years. We have never needed a second amendment to keep the government in check

The second amendment is no longer needed. We have the most powerful military in history. We no longer need "Well Regulated Militias"
Civilians using arms against a tyrannical government may have been an option in 1776 but it is no longer an option today

The right to bear arms should be relegated to individual states as they see fit
Without the second admendment any sort of freedom is dead...

The Second Amendment has never been used to defend our freedom

Free press, Freedom of Assembly and the right to vote has protected our freedom for over 200 years


Moron..without the 2nd Amendment those Rights are just temporary until the Government sends in the troops.....
 
how is he trying to take away the 1st amendment? Has he silenced any reporter from saying whatever they want to the people via their media? He spent a whole hour taking questions from them during his press conference.

Telling someone what they don't want to hear or can't comprehend is not squashing 1st amendment rights.

The progressive left, on the other hand, is far more selective about what 1st amendment rights they choose to support:

Florist discriminated against same-sex couple - CNN.com

Trump is not trying to take away the first amendment....he is trying to delegitimize it with the American public
Don't trust what the press is saying about me.....Fake news, fake news, fake news
The press hates me....that is why you hear bad things about me

A free press is the biggest challenge to Trumps agenda. Get the American public to not trust what is being said is the easiest way for Trump to do what he wants without media oversight
What the Left considers a free press is the public relations firms that CNN, MSNBC and Democrat Underground were for President obama. Sorry, guy, but the Left lost and you're bitching because President Trump is treating CNN like obama did FOX News early in his administration.

GET OVER IT.
We have a freeer press than at any time in our history

Trumps enemy list gets longer by the day. Blocking out questions does not make them go away. The press has a job to do. Trump sneering.....
You better be nice to me
Is not a solution
Think of it as giving an impertinent child a time out. For 8 years the left wing "journalists" you favor and the POTUS kissed each other's ass.
There's a new sheriff in town, pardner. Deal with it.
have you seen the sheriff's approval numbers? Be proud of this failure
55% last I checked.
 
A free press, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and a right to vote have ensured citizens a check on government overreach

Guns in private hands could never do that
The most spineless and uneducated in our society feel that guns are the only answer.

Citizens militias could not even win the Revolutionary war

Against today's army they would be obliterated
Dumbass, the military would never back an oppressive federal government against its own citizens.

Oppressive is in the eye of the beholder
Any support you expect from the military will be gone as soon as some gun nut kills a soldier

How much support did Tim McVeigh get?
The military overwhelmingly vote republican... fact

What does that have to do with an armed insurrection?
 
A free press, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and a right to vote have kept government in check for over 200 years. We have never needed a second amendment to keep the government in check

The second amendment is no longer needed. We have the most powerful military in history. We no longer need "Well Regulated Militias"
Civilians using arms against a tyrannical government may have been an option in 1776 but it is no longer an option today

The right to bear arms should be relegated to individual states as they see fit
Without the second admendment any sort of freedom is dead...

The Second Amendment has never been used to defend our freedom

Free press, Freedom of Assembly and the right to vote has protected our freedom for over 200 years


Moron..without the 2nd Amendment those Rights are just temporary until the Government sends in the troops.....

Show an example where the second amendment was ever necessary to defend our rights or freedoms

I can provide examples of the first amendment doing it
 
A free press, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and a right to vote have kept government in check for over 200 years. We have never needed a second amendment to keep the government in check

The second amendment is no longer needed. We have the most powerful military in history. We no longer need "Well Regulated Militias"
Civilians using arms against a tyrannical government may have been an option in 1776 but it is no longer an option today

The right to bear arms should be relegated to individual states as they see fit
Without the second admendment any sort of freedom is dead...

The Second Amendment has never been used to defend our freedom

Free press, Freedom of Assembly and the right to vote has protected our freedom for over 200 years
The very makeup of the federal government now is opposite of what the founders envisioned....

The founders did not envision a lot of things

Our government is in full compliance with the Constitution
 
The most spineless and uneducated in our society feel that guns are the only answer.

Citizens militias could not even win the Revolutionary war

Against today's army they would be obliterated
Dumbass, the military would never back an oppressive federal government against its own citizens.

Oppressive is in the eye of the beholder
Any support you expect from the military will be gone as soon as some gun nut kills a soldier

How much support did Tim McVeigh get?
The military overwhelmingly vote republican... fact

What does that have to do with an armed insurrection?
They will never take sides against their own citizens...
 
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We are talking the ENTIRE Press Corps that Trump is calling fake
If you feel a story is fake, then provide REAL FACTS proving a story is fake. That is the way it works. Simply chanting Fake News, Fake News, Fake News ...does not make it so
It has gotten so bad that Trumps is only calling on the Christian News Service and Breitbart as trusted news services

The Press is asking questions for the American people. That is what the first amendment intended
Trump ignoring the media he does not like is not the solution

As you well know, CNN, The NY Time, WaPo, MSDNC, et al flat out fabricate stories to slander the opposition. These people lied openly during the campaign and haven't changed much.

They are fake news, and America knows it.

All of their stories are fully documented and sourced. Errors are quickly acknowledged and corrections are issued.

The Trump administration does not meet the same standards
 
A free press, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and a right to vote have kept government in check for over 200 years. We have never needed a second amendment to keep the government in check

The second amendment is no longer needed. We have the most powerful military in history. We no longer need "Well Regulated Militias"
Civilians using arms against a tyrannical government may have been an option in 1776 but it is no longer an option today

The right to bear arms should be relegated to individual states as they see fit
Without the second admendment any sort of freedom is dead...

The Second Amendment has never been used to defend our freedom

Free press, Freedom of Assembly and the right to vote has protected our freedom for over 200 years
The very makeup of the federal government now is opposite of what the founders envisioned....

The founders did not envision a lot of things

Our government is in full compliance with the Constitution
The federal government wants to destroy the constitution… The country and federal government are not one in the same
 
Citizens militias could not even win the Revolutionary war

Against today's army they would be obliterated
Dumbass, the military would never back an oppressive federal government against its own citizens.

Oppressive is in the eye of the beholder
Any support you expect from the military will be gone as soon as some gun nut kills a soldier

How much support did Tim McVeigh get?
The military overwhelmingly vote republican... fact

What does that have to do with an armed insurrection?
They will never take sides against their own citizens...

They will when one of those citizens kills their best buddy
 
Dumbass, the military would never back an oppressive federal government against its own citizens.

Oppressive is in the eye of the beholder
Any support you expect from the military will be gone as soon as some gun nut kills a soldier

How much support did Tim McVeigh get?
The military overwhelmingly vote republican... fact

What does that have to do with an armed insurrection?
They will never take sides against their own citizens...

They will when one of those citizens kills their best buddy
They will not take orders to oppress American citizens, if the federal government tells them to they will tell the federal government to fuck off.
 
how is he trying to take away the 1st amendment? Has he silenced any reporter from saying whatever they want to the people via their media? He spent a whole hour taking questions from them during his press conference.

Telling someone what they don't want to hear or can't comprehend is not squashing 1st amendment rights.

The progressive left, on the other hand, is far more selective about what 1st amendment rights they choose to support:

Florist discriminated against same-sex couple - CNN.com

Trump is not trying to take away the first amendment....he is trying to delegitimize it with the American public
Don't trust what the press is saying about me.....Fake news, fake news, fake news
The press hates me....that is why you hear bad things about me

A free press is the biggest challenge to Trumps agenda. Get the American public to not trust what is being said is the easiest way for Trump to do what he wants without media oversight
What the Left considers a free press is the public relations firms that CNN, MSNBC and Democrat Underground were for President obama. Sorry, guy, but the Left lost and you're bitching because President Trump is treating CNN like obama did FOX News early in his administration.

GET OVER IT.
We have a freeer press than at any time in our history

Trumps enemy list gets longer by the day. Blocking out questions does not make them go away. The press has a job to do. Trump sneering.....
You better be nice to me
Is not a solution

A hyper-partisan press is a free press. Your statement is nothing but fluff. What we don't have is an impartial press, despite the exhortations of the progressive leaning media.

And he did answer questions, you just didn't like the answers.

We have a more open press than any time in history. I have access to hundreds of press reports at my finger tips. Some may be partisan one way or the other but most will be somewhere in the middle. Trump is at war with any press that is not far right
No, he's at war with any media outlet that distorts the truth to fit their agenda. AND THAT pisses you off after 40 years of your media fawning over Democrats and Republicans trying to shape their words in such a way that they don't appear to radical for a Liberal Media.
Trump doesn't care. He knows he's going to piss people off, but he's determined to do what he campaigned on.
If he fails, he probably will be a one term President. If he delivers, the Liberal press and the Progressive wing of the Democrat Party will be done, over, irrelevant, finito.
 
Dumbass, the military would never back an oppressive federal government against its own citizens.

Oppressive is in the eye of the beholder
Any support you expect from the military will be gone as soon as some gun nut kills a soldier

How much support did Tim McVeigh get?
The military overwhelmingly vote republican... fact

What does that have to do with an armed insurrection?
They will never take sides against their own citizens...

They will when one of those citizens kills their best buddy
Their best buddy wouldn't be putting himself in that position, would he?
 
Oppressive is in the eye of the beholder
Any support you expect from the military will be gone as soon as some gun nut kills a soldier

How much support did Tim McVeigh get?
The military overwhelmingly vote republican... fact

What does that have to do with an armed insurrection?
They will never take sides against their own citizens...

They will when one of those citizens kills their best buddy
They will not take orders to oppress American citizens, if the federal government tells them to they will tell the federal government to fuck off.

Failure to follow a lawful order is a court martiable offense

Putting down an armed insurrection is a lawful order
 
Oppressive is in the eye of the beholder
Any support you expect from the military will be gone as soon as some gun nut kills a soldier

How much support did Tim McVeigh get?
The military overwhelmingly vote republican... fact

What does that have to do with an armed insurrection?
They will never take sides against their own citizens...

They will when one of those citizens kills their best buddy
Their best buddy wouldn't be putting himself in that position, would he?

Why are gun nuts shooting at our soldiers?

Are you defending those who will take up arms against the American Flag?
 

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