The ACLU Is Anything But American

[bodecea]

I don't know about the rest of you...but I find it INCREDIBLY IRONIC that the person who started this thread accusing the ACLU of not being American, seems to know the least about our American Constitution and our rights under it.

Do you think Separation of Church and State is contained in the Constitution????

If so, you know much less then I do.

You didn't bother to read the link, did you? I can tell.

 

[mudwhistle]

Mudmissile can't even handle the simple transitive property.

He says anyone who claims that separation of church and state is in the Constitution is a dipshit.

Thomas Jefferson claimed exactly that (historical fact).

Therefore Mudmissile, by way of the transitive property, is indeed calling Thomas Jefferson a dipshit.

Bullshit. You're making an assumption.

Separation of Church and state doesn't mean what you claim.

You most likely claim that it means that religion must be separated from government completely when there are numerous examples where they are intertwined.

Your idea of the Separation of Church and state is totally different from what Thomas Jefferson meant. He meant that no one religion should control our government. It doesn't mean we can't pray or must remove all religious symbols from our buildings.

Once again....show me where the phrase "Separation of Church and State" is in the constitution.

 

[manifold]

Paul Newman acting out the part of Mudmissile in this thread:

[youtube]8n0mgkaEGQc[/youtube]

 

[manifold]

Mudmissile can't even handle the simple transitive property.

He says anyone who claims that separation of church and state is in the Constitution is a dipshit.

Thomas Jefferson claimed exactly that (historical fact).

Therefore Mudmissile, by way of the transitive property, is indeed calling Thomas Jefferson a dipshit.

Separation of Church and state doesn't mean what you claim.

Go ahead and provide a link to what I've claimed on the subject that isn't correct.

I'll wait.

 

[mudwhistle]

That silly TJ! What a dipshit.

Show me the quote fuckwad.

I already know about that letter....which was not part of the constitution.

Dipshit.

You didn't read the link, did you? I can tell.

I read it.

Thomas Jefferson was worried about a State-run religion.....not religion in general.

 

[del]

if he starts in on the hard boiled eggs, i'm vapor

 

[ClosedCaption]

Top Ten Reasons To Stop the ACLU

#1. The ACLU fufills its agenda using your tax money.

If the ACLU wins a case against a school, a county courthouse, a city counsel, etc. guess who pays for it? You do.

Support and donate to organizations fighting them in Court. Here are the ones at the forefront.

ACLJ
Alliance Defense Fund
Thomas Moore Law Center

#2. The ACLU supports child porn distribution and child molesters like NAMBLA.

As legislative counsel for the ACLU in 1985, Barry Lynn told the U.S. Attorney General’s Commission on Pornography (of which Focus on the Family President Dr. James C. Dobson was a member) that child pornography was protected by the First Amendment. While production of child porn could be prevented by law, he argued, its distribution could not be.

There is no doubt the The ACLU are perverting the Constitution.

#3. The ACLU Defend the enemy.

They have a long history of this one. They defended the P.L.O. in 1985. They defended Quadafi in the 1980’s. And they continue today. They have told Gitmo detainees they have the right to remain silent, as in not talking to interrogators. One issue that really disturbs me is their refusal of funds from organizations such as the United Way that were concerned the money would be used to support terrorism.

In October of 2004, the ACLU turned down $1.15 million in funding from two of it’s most generous and loyal contributors, the Ford and Rockefeller foundations, saying new anti-terrorism restrictions demanded by the institutions make it unable to accept their funds.

#4. The ACLU Opposes National Security.

The ACLU have opposed almost every effort in the arena of national security. From the bird flu to bag searches, the ACLU have been against it. No matter what kind of search someone tries to do to protect people, the ACLU have proved they are against them across the board. Its kind of ironic that they don’t practice the principles they preach.

Take a walk into the NYCLU’s Manhattan headquarters – which it shares with other organizations – and you’ll find a sign warning visitors that all bags are subject to search.

#5. The ACLU is anti-Christian.

The list is endless on this one. Under the guise of “separation of Church and State”, the ACLU have made a name for theirself on being rabidly anti-Christian. This is one area where they are most hypocritical. They oppose tax exemptions for all churches, but fight for them for Wiccans. They are against Christianity in school, but oddly remain silent as our children are taught to be Muslims. Whether its baby Jesus, ten commandments, or tiny crosses on county seals, the ACLU will be there to secularize America, and rewrite our history.

#6. The ACLU advocate open borders.

Not only have the ACLU opposed the Minute Men, a group who are simply exercizing their freedom of speech, protesting and stepping up where the government is failing, but they have helped illegals cross the border.

#7. The ACLU are pro-death.

Not only is the ACLU Pro-abortion, it’s the ACLU’s top priority. It most definitely takes a backseat to free speech for the ACLU. As a matter of fact, the ACLU has fought against the free speech rights of those that oppose it. If its abortion or euthanasia, as long as its pro-death you can count on the ACLU to support it. The only exception to the ACLU’s pro-death stance, is if it is a convicted criminal; in this case they are against death.

#8. Their outright hatred of the Boyscouts.

They are currently doing everything in their power to hurt this organization. They attacked their free speech right to exclude gays, and are threatening schools, and fighting in court to get their charters shut down. The oppose the military supporting them, and will sue the pants off any school that attempts to charter them.

9. The ACLU does not believe in the Second Amendment.

ACLU POLICY “The ACLU agrees with the Supreme Court’s long-standing interpretation of the Second Amendment [as set forth in the 1939 case, U.S. v. Miller] that the individual’s right to bear arms applies only to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia. Except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of weapons by individuals is not constitutionally protected. Therefore, there is no constitutional impediment to the regulation of firearms.”ACLU Policy #47

10. The ACLU was founded by Communist, with communist ideals, communist goals, and they continue to impose a Communist like agenda on America daily.

The founder of the ACLU, Roger Baldwin stated clearly…

"My chief aversion is the system of greed, private profit, privilege and violence which makes up the control of the world today, and which has brought it to the tragic crisis of unprecedented hunger and unemployment…Therefore, I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself…I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.”

Top Ten Reasons To Stop The ACLU : Stop The ACLU

Yes...let's stop an organization that fights for our First Amendment rights. I wonder why........

The bad outweighs the good. That's why.

I agree lets just scrap the whole freedom of speech stuff, agreed?

 

[mudwhistle]

Mudmissile can't even handle the simple transitive property.

He says anyone who claims that separation of church and state is in the Constitution is a dipshit.

Thomas Jefferson claimed exactly that (historical fact).

Therefore Mudmissile, by way of the transitive property, is indeed calling Thomas Jefferson a dipshit.

Separation of Church and state doesn't mean what you claim.

Go ahead and provide a link to what I've claimed on the subject that isn't correct.

I'll wait.

I could use your own link.

Would that work for you?

I'm not the dip-shit that keeps claiming that Separation of Church and state is in the establishment clause.

The letter contains the phrase "wall of separation between church and state," which led to the short-hand for the Establishment Clause that we use today: "Separation of church and state."

Meaning that the line you claim is in the constitution is not there. It is only in the letter.

Also, Thomas Jefferson did not mention anything about state laws on religion...only national laws.

The Danbury Baptists were a religious minority in Connecticut, and they complained that in their state, the religious liberties they enjoyed were not seen as immutable rights, but as privileges granted by the legislature — as "favors granted." Jefferson's reply did not address their concerns about problems with state establishment of religion — only of establishment on the national level.

 

[mudwhistle]

It's one thing to read what someone said but understanding exactly what he meant is a bit more difficult to ascertain.

It's pretty clear that Jefferson had to elaborate on his statements.

In a nut-shell it's not as cut and dried as you were led to believe.

 

[mudwhistle]

Man, you're really dumb. For real.

In what way?

Do you think it's right for the government to crush your nuts just because you asked a simple question?

You want to give up your fucken right to question the government?

Jesus....talking about stupid.

Who in the GOVERNMENT crushed whose nuts for asking a simple question, mudwhistle?

Ohio Department of Job & Family Services Director Helen Jones-Kelly searched his records.

A dozen other agencies searched his records looking for dirt on him.

They released information about his divorce and his financial history to the public in an attempt to smear him.

Course you knew this......or did you?

Joe the Plumber - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[manifold]

Separation of Church and state doesn't mean what you claim.

Go ahead and provide a link to what I've claimed on the subject that isn't correct.

I'll wait.

I could use your own link.

Would that work for you?

I'm not the dip-shit that keeps claiming that Separation of Church and state is in the establishment clause.

The letter contains the phrase "wall of separation between church and state," which led to the short-hand for the Establishment Clause that we use today: "Separation of church and state."

Meaning that the line you claim is in the constitution is not there. It is only in the letter.

Also, Thomas Jefferson did not mention anything about state laws on religion...only national laws.

The Danbury Baptists were a religious minority in Connecticut, and they complained that in their state, the religious liberties they enjoyed were not seen as immutable rights, but as privileges granted by the legislature — as "favors granted." Jefferson's reply did not address their concerns about problems with state establishment of religion — only of establishment on the national level.

Not my link.

uber fail

 

[George Costanza]

#5. The ACLU is anti-Christian.

The list is endless on this one. Under the guise of “separation of Church and State”, the ACLU have made a name for theirself on being rabidly anti-Christian. This is one area where they are most hypocritical. They oppose tax exemptions for all churches, but fight for them for Wiccans. They are against Christianity in school, but oddly remain silent as our children are taught to be Muslims. Whether its baby Jesus, ten commandments, or tiny crosses on county seals, the ACLU will be there to secularize America, and rewrite our history.

It only seems that way because whenever some religious group seeks to utilize the government to attempt to shove their views down the throats of others, guess who it almost always turns out to be. Hint: Christians.

The ACLU is not anti-Christian. They are anti-establishment of religion. It it happened to be the Buddhists who were constantly pushing constitutional limitations more than any other religious group, the ACLU would be taking out after them.

Arguing that the ACLU is "anti-Christian" is like arguing that prosecutors who go after Indian men who set fire to their women for some reason are "anti-Indian." If you are causing the problem, you can expect to have someone getting in your face. It's all about the problem - not about you.

 

[mudwhistle]

Go ahead and provide a link to what I've claimed on the subject that isn't correct.

I'll wait.

I could use your own link.

Would that work for you?

I'm not the dip-shit that keeps claiming that Separation of Church and state is in the establishment clause.



Meaning that the line you claim is in the constitution is not there. It is only in the letter.

Also, Thomas Jefferson did not mention anything about state laws on religion...only national laws.

The Danbury Baptists were a religious minority in Connecticut, and they complained that in their state, the religious liberties they enjoyed were not seen as immutable rights, but as privileges granted by the legislature — as "favors granted." Jefferson's reply did not address their concerns about problems with state establishment of religion — only of establishment on the national level.

Not my link.

uber fail

And you're a liar.

But what else is new.

 

[mudwhistle]

#5. The ACLU is anti-Christian.

The list is endless on this one. Under the guise of “separation of Church and State”, the ACLU have made a name for theirself on being rabidly anti-Christian. This is one area where they are most hypocritical. They oppose tax exemptions for all churches, but fight for them for Wiccans. They are against Christianity in school, but oddly remain silent as our children are taught to be Muslims. Whether its baby Jesus, ten commandments, or tiny crosses on county seals, the ACLU will be there to secularize America, and rewrite our history.

It only seems that way because whenever some religious group seeks to utilize the government to attempt to shove their views down the throats of others, guess who it almost always turns out to be. Hint: Christians.

The ACLU is not anti-Christian. They are anti-establishment of religion. It it happened to be the Buddhists who were constantly pushing constitutional limitations more than any other religious group, the ACLU would be taking out after them.

Arguing that the ACLU is "anti-Christian" is like arguing that prosecutors who go after Indian men who set fire to their women for some reason are "anti-Indian." If you are causing the problem, you can expect to have someone getting in your face. It's all about the problem - not about you.

The ACLU uses this phony argument of the establishment clause to stifle religious expression. They act like posting the Ten Commandments in a courthouse is the same as shoving religion down someone's throat.

I think Islam is more recently known for shoving Sharia compliance down everyone's throat.

That is what you should fear more.

 

[del]

#5. The ACLU is anti-Christian.

The list is endless on this one. Under the guise of “separation of Church and State”, the ACLU have made a name for theirself on being rabidly anti-Christian. This is one area where they are most hypocritical. They oppose tax exemptions for all churches, but fight for them for Wiccans. They are against Christianity in school, but oddly remain silent as our children are taught to be Muslims. Whether its baby Jesus, ten commandments, or tiny crosses on county seals, the ACLU will be there to secularize America, and rewrite our history.

It only seems that way because whenever some religious group seeks to utilize the government to attempt to shove their views down the throats of others, guess who it almost always turns out to be. Hint: Christians.

The ACLU is not anti-Christian. They are anti-establishment of religion. It it happened to be the Buddhists who were constantly pushing constitutional limitations more than any other religious group, the ACLU would be taking out after them.

Arguing that the ACLU is "anti-Christian" is like arguing that prosecutors who go after Indian men who set fire to their women for some reason are "anti-Indian." If you are causing the problem, you can expect to have someone getting in your face. It's all about the problem - not about you.

The ACLU uses this phony argument of the establishment clause to stifle religious expression. They act like posting the Ten Commandments in a courthouse is the same as shoving religion down someone's throat.

that would be because it is.

 

[mudwhistle]

It only seems that way because whenever some religious group seeks to utilize the government to attempt to shove their views down the throats of others, guess who it almost always turns out to be. Hint: Christians.

The ACLU is not anti-Christian. They are anti-establishment of religion. It it happened to be the Buddhists who were constantly pushing constitutional limitations more than any other religious group, the ACLU would be taking out after them.

Arguing that the ACLU is "anti-Christian" is like arguing that prosecutors who go after Indian men who set fire to their women for some reason are "anti-Indian." If you are causing the problem, you can expect to have someone getting in your face. It's all about the problem - not about you.

The ACLU uses this phony argument of the establishment clause to stifle religious expression. They act like posting the Ten Commandments in a courthouse is the same as shoving religion down someone's throat.

that would be because it is.

Just because you say it is doesn't mean it is so.

Shoving religion down one's throat is making laws that force you to pray before every meal, or forcing you to pray before school events, not simply displaying religious symbols in public.

You act like the cross or any mention of God causes you to go shrieking out of the room.

"If thy eye offendeth thee pluck it out."

 

[bodecea]

#5. The ACLU is anti-Christian.

The list is endless on this one. Under the guise of “separation of Church and State”, the ACLU have made a name for theirself on being rabidly anti-Christian. This is one area where they are most hypocritical. They oppose tax exemptions for all churches, but fight for them for Wiccans. They are against Christianity in school, but oddly remain silent as our children are taught to be Muslims. Whether its baby Jesus, ten commandments, or tiny crosses on county seals, the ACLU will be there to secularize America, and rewrite our history.

It only seems that way because whenever some religious group seeks to utilize the government to attempt to shove their views down the throats of others, guess who it almost always turns out to be. Hint: Christians.

The ACLU is not anti-Christian. They are anti-establishment of religion. It it happened to be the Buddhists who were constantly pushing constitutional limitations more than any other religious group, the ACLU would be taking out after them.

Arguing that the ACLU is "anti-Christian" is like arguing that prosecutors who go after Indian men who set fire to their women for some reason are "anti-Indian." If you are causing the problem, you can expect to have someone getting in your face. It's all about the problem - not about you.

The ACLU uses this phony argument of the establishment clause to stifle religious expression. They act like posting the Ten Commandments in a courthouse is the same as shoving religion down someone's throat.

I think Islam is more recently known for shoving Sharia compliance down everyone's throat.

That is what you should fear more.

Let me type big:

G O V E R N M E N T

 

[bodecea]

Would like to ask mudwhistle which of the three known versions of the Ten Commandments he would want posted?

 

[bodecea]

Yes...let's stop an organization that fights for our First Amendment rights. I wonder why........

The bad outweighs the good. That's why.

I agree lets just scrap the whole freedom of speech stuff, agreed?

No no no...THEIR freedom of speech is ok....but not anyone else's. See how it works for them?

 

[bodecea]

Yeah, that dipshit would be Thomas Jefferson, and many other FF dipshits.

Keep digging, it just keeps getting better and better.

Jefferson never put it in the Constitution.

The dip-shit I'm speaking of is the one who keeps claiming it is.

Talking about digging.

Show me where "Separation of Church and State" is in the Constitution.

Jefferson's Wall of Separation Letter - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

From the link that mudwhistle did not read:

Jefferson wrote a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802 to answer a letter from them written in October 1801. A copy of the Danbury letter is available here. The Danbury Baptists were a religious minority in Connecticut, and they complained that in their state, the religious liberties they enjoyed were not seen as immutable rights, but as privileges granted by the legislature — as "favors granted." Jefferson's reply did not address their concerns about problems with state establishment of religion — only of establishment on the national level. The letter contains the phrase "wall of separation between church and state," which led to the short-hand for the Establishment Clause that we use today: "Separation of church and state."

bold enlargement mine.