The Arctic is already effectively ice free

[Uncensored2008]

And back in the real world, the scientists have been getting everything correct for decades running now. That's why they have such credibility. You've been bamboozled by a fringe cult, so you don't understand that. So be it. You'll keep screaming, and you'll keep being ignored.

Everything - except for not getting even one fucking thing right....

Fraud is the ONLY thing that the AGW cult has produced. Like the Catholic Church of the 1300's - you revel in your corruption.

 

[Crick]

You and yours have been making that accusation for years now. And if you've got the intellectual flexibility to believe thousands of climate scientists from hundreds of different nations and hundreds of different disciplines have all manage to secretly agree to take the risk of this career-ending conspiracy in order to continue to get filthy rich from grant money (Note to self: figure out how someone gets rich off research grants without spending the grant to do the research), then more power to you.

What I'm wondering, though, is how, after all these years and all you deniers screaming that charge at the top of your lungs, NO evidence of actual fraud has ever appeared and NO CONSPIRING CLIMATE SCIENTIST HAS EVER COME FORWARD AND CONFESSED.

That is one TIGHT conspiracy.

 

[sakinago]

You and yours have been making that accusation for years now. And if you've got the intellectual flexibility to believe thousands of climate scientists from hundreds of different nations and hundreds of different disciplines have all manage to secretly agree to take the risk of this career-ending conspiracy in order to continue to get filthy rich from grant money (Note to self: figure out how someone gets rich off research grants without spending the grant to do the research), then more power to you.

What I'm wondering, though, is how, after all these years and all you deniers screaming that charge at the top of your lungs, NO evidence of actual fraud has ever appeared and NO CONSPIRING CLIMATE SCIENTIST HAS EVER COME FORWARD AND CONFESSED.

That is one TIGHT conspiracy.

There's been 6000 emails released, that we're kept from the public originally (which is crazy if it's such true science) displaying manipulation of data.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You and yours have been making that accusation for years now. And if you've got the intellectual flexibility to believe thousands of climate scientists from hundreds of different nations and hundreds of different disciplines have all manage to secretly agree to take the risk of this career-ending conspiracy in order to continue to get filthy rich from grant money (Note to self: figure out how someone gets rich off research grants without spending the grant to do the research), then more power to you.

What I'm wondering, though, is how, after all these years and all you deniers screaming that charge at the top of your lungs, NO evidence of actual fraud has ever appeared and NO CONSPIRING CLIMATE SCIENTIST HAS EVER COME FORWARD AND CONFESSED.

That is one TIGHT conspiracy.

The risk to careers is to the priest who questions the dogma of the church, A kid out of school with a shiny new PhD. goes and starts doing actual science - what is the result? They are blackballed and will NEVER get a job with any university.

{
Just when you think things can't sink any lower, the National Academy of Sciences has now published a list compiled by a non-academic weblogger that attempts to rank scientists by expertise, credibility and (oh!) belief in the consensus position on global warming.

It is a blacklist. It's also hilariously wrong. As Roger Pielke Jr. notes on his weblog, his father, who firmly believes in man's impact on the climate, is rated as a skeptic, while James Hansen, who has repeatedly criticized the IPCC consensus (albeit for being too conservative) is mentioned as a supporter of the IPCC.}

Most cited authors on climate change

Now your church has undoubtedly printed up yellow badges for heretics who dare practice science rather than blindly repeat the dogma of the AGW church but has thus far failed to find a way to enforce.

Nonetheless, the church publishes a black list to ensure those engaging in science are denied employment.

You church is no different than the Catholics of the 1300's - you have power and you are rotten to the core - corruption defines your church. Honest science is crushed instantly and the perpetrators dealt with harshly. Conversely, open liars such as Michael Mann, even when exposed through leaked emails, are promoted by the church.

 

[Crick]

You and yours have been making that accusation for years now. And if you've got the intellectual flexibility to believe thousands of climate scientists from hundreds of different nations and hundreds of different disciplines have all manage to secretly agree to take the risk of this career-ending conspiracy in order to continue to get filthy rich from grant money (Note to self: figure out how someone gets rich off research grants without spending the grant to do the research), then more power to you.

What I'm wondering, though, is how, after all these years and all you deniers screaming that charge at the top of your lungs, NO evidence of actual fraud has ever appeared and NO CONSPIRING CLIMATE SCIENTIST HAS EVER COME FORWARD AND CONFESSED.

That is one TIGHT conspiracy.

The risk to careers is to the priest who questions the dogma of the church, A kid out of school with a shiny new PhD. goes and starts doing actual science - what is the result? They are blackballed and will NEVER get a job with any university.

{
Just when you think things can't sink any lower, the National Academy of Sciences has now published a list compiled by a non-academic weblogger that attempts to rank scientists by expertise, credibility and (oh!) belief in the consensus position on global warming.

It is a blacklist. It's also hilariously wrong. As Roger Pielke Jr. notes on his weblog, his father, who firmly believes in man's impact on the climate, is rated as a skeptic, while James Hansen, who has repeatedly criticized the IPCC consensus (albeit for being too conservative) is mentioned as a supporter of the IPCC.}

Most cited authors on climate change

Now your church has undoubtedly printed up yellow badges for heretics who dare practice science rather than blindly repeat the dogma of the AGW church but has thus far failed to find a way to enforce.

Nonetheless, the church publishes a black list to ensure those engaging in science are denied employment.

You church is no different than the Catholics of the 1300's - you have power and you are rotten to the core - corruption defines your church. Honest science is crushed instantly and the perpetrators dealt with harshly. Conversely, open liars such as Michael Mann, even when exposed through leaked emails, are promoted by the church.

Where is the evidence of global-scale fraud? Where is the single admission of conspiracy?

 

[Crick]

You and yours have been making that accusation for years now. And if you've got the intellectual flexibility to believe thousands of climate scientists from hundreds of different nations and hundreds of different disciplines have all manage to secretly agree to take the risk of this career-ending conspiracy in order to continue to get filthy rich from grant money (Note to self: figure out how someone gets rich off research grants without spending the grant to do the research), then more power to you.

What I'm wondering, though, is how, after all these years and all you deniers screaming that charge at the top of your lungs, NO evidence of actual fraud has ever appeared and NO CONSPIRING CLIMATE SCIENTIST HAS EVER COME FORWARD AND CONFESSED.

That is one TIGHT conspiracy.

There's been 6000 emails released, that we're kept from the public originally (which is crazy if it's such true science) displaying manipulation of data.

Show us one of those stolen emails that provides evidence of a global conspiracy. If you put up "hide the decline", I'm going to spew.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You and yours have been making that accusation for years now. And if you've got the intellectual flexibility to believe thousands of climate scientists from hundreds of different nations and hundreds of different disciplines have all manage to secretly agree to take the risk of this career-ending conspiracy in order to continue to get filthy rich from grant money (Note to self: figure out how someone gets rich off research grants without spending the grant to do the research), then more power to you.

What I'm wondering, though, is how, after all these years and all you deniers screaming that charge at the top of your lungs, NO evidence of actual fraud has ever appeared and NO CONSPIRING CLIMATE SCIENTIST HAS EVER COME FORWARD AND CONFESSED.

That is one TIGHT conspiracy.

There's been 6000 emails released, that we're kept from the public originally (which is crazy if it's such true science) displaying manipulation of data.

How many scientists manipulated data? You'd expect some to do so.

I'd also expect some from the other side to either manipulate data or at least release data without all the facts. Some people are ambitious.

However the claim is this "Man made climate change is not happening because some scientists have manipulated their data". Sounds a bit strange.

 

[Crick]

Actually, the claim is that man made climate change is not happening, it's a hoax, because virtually ALL scientists have manipulated their work to produce false conclusions.

I do not disagree that there are scientists out there that intentionally (and even unintentionally) produce false results to support a conclusion they favor. But the idea that as many different people as are involved in doing climate research have all chosen to do so is just idiotic paranoia. It is, in fact, a false conclusion used to support an otherwise unsupportable hypothesis. Our denier friends do what they accuse others of doing.

 

[sakinago]

Here ya go crick

Over 250 noteworthy Climategate 2.0 emails Watts Up With That

And an intresting article from Forbes if your going to call it bs
Who Released The Climategate Emails And Why - Forbes

 

[jc456]

Actually, the claim is that man made climate change is not happening, it's a hoax, because virtually ALL scientists have manipulated their work to produce false conclusions.

I do not disagree that there are scientists out there that intentionally (and even unintentionally) produce false results to support a conclusion they favor. But the idea that as many different people as are involved in doing climate research have all chosen to do so is just idiotic paranoia. It is, in fact, a false conclusion used to support an otherwise unsupportable hypothesis. Our denier friends do what they accuse others of doing.

Dude, again it's something you can't prove and we've asked, asked, and ask for evidence. Put up the evidence or stop posting this crap.

 

[westwall]

You and yours have been making that accusation for years now. And if you've got the intellectual flexibility to believe thousands of climate scientists from hundreds of different nations and hundreds of different disciplines have all manage to secretly agree to take the risk of this career-ending conspiracy in order to continue to get filthy rich from grant money (Note to self: figure out how someone gets rich off research grants without spending the grant to do the research), then more power to you.

What I'm wondering, though, is how, after all these years and all you deniers screaming that charge at the top of your lungs, NO evidence of actual fraud has ever appeared and NO CONSPIRING CLIMATE SCIENTIST HAS EVER COME FORWARD AND CONFESSED.

That is one TIGHT conspiracy.

The risk to careers is to the priest who questions the dogma of the church, A kid out of school with a shiny new PhD. goes and starts doing actual science - what is the result? They are blackballed and will NEVER get a job with any university.

{
Just when you think things can't sink any lower, the National Academy of Sciences has now published a list compiled by a non-academic weblogger that attempts to rank scientists by expertise, credibility and (oh!) belief in the consensus position on global warming.

It is a blacklist. It's also hilariously wrong. As Roger Pielke Jr. notes on his weblog, his father, who firmly believes in man's impact on the climate, is rated as a skeptic, while James Hansen, who has repeatedly criticized the IPCC consensus (albeit for being too conservative) is mentioned as a supporter of the IPCC.}

Most cited authors on climate change

Now your church has undoubtedly printed up yellow badges for heretics who dare practice science rather than blindly repeat the dogma of the AGW church but has thus far failed to find a way to enforce.

Nonetheless, the church publishes a black list to ensure those engaging in science are denied employment.

You church is no different than the Catholics of the 1300's - you have power and you are rotten to the core - corruption defines your church. Honest science is crushed instantly and the perpetrators dealt with harshly. Conversely, open liars such as Michael Mann, even when exposed through leaked emails, are promoted by the church.

Where is the evidence of global-scale fraud? Where is the single admission of conspiracy?

"Admission of conspiracy".... Wow, just wow.

 

[Crick]

So you haven't got one. Out of over ten thousand scientists with peer reviewed work published in the field of climate science, not ONE has come forward and given any support to this conspiracy fantasy that every denier seems to be required to hold dear.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You and yours have been making that accusation for years now. And if you've got the intellectual flexibility to believe thousands of climate scientists from hundreds of different nations and hundreds of different disciplines have all manage to secretly agree to take the risk of this career-ending conspiracy in order to continue to get filthy rich from grant money (Note to self: figure out how someone gets rich off research grants without spending the grant to do the research), then more power to you.

What I'm wondering, though, is how, after all these years and all you deniers screaming that charge at the top of your lungs, NO evidence of actual fraud has ever appeared and NO CONSPIRING CLIMATE SCIENTIST HAS EVER COME FORWARD AND CONFESSED.

That is one TIGHT conspiracy.

The risk to careers is to the priest who questions the dogma of the church, A kid out of school with a shiny new PhD. goes and starts doing actual science - what is the result? They are blackballed and will NEVER get a job with any university.

{
Just when you think things can't sink any lower, the National Academy of Sciences has now published a list compiled by a non-academic weblogger that attempts to rank scientists by expertise, credibility and (oh!) belief in the consensus position on global warming.

It is a blacklist. It's also hilariously wrong. As Roger Pielke Jr. notes on his weblog, his father, who firmly believes in man's impact on the climate, is rated as a skeptic, while James Hansen, who has repeatedly criticized the IPCC consensus (albeit for being too conservative) is mentioned as a supporter of the IPCC.}

Most cited authors on climate change

Now your church has undoubtedly printed up yellow badges for heretics who dare practice science rather than blindly repeat the dogma of the AGW church but has thus far failed to find a way to enforce.

Nonetheless, the church publishes a black list to ensure those engaging in science are denied employment.

You church is no different than the Catholics of the 1300's - you have power and you are rotten to the core - corruption defines your church. Honest science is crushed instantly and the perpetrators dealt with harshly. Conversely, open liars such as Michael Mann, even when exposed through leaked emails, are promoted by the church.

Where is the evidence of global-scale fraud? Where is the single admission of conspiracy?

"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy" -- Ottmar, Lead author of IPCC 4 and 5 admitting AGW has nothing to do with environmental policy and is a scam to redistribute wealth

 

[jc456]

So you haven't got one. Out of over ten thousand scientists with peer reviewed work published in the field of climate science, not ONE has come forward and given any support to this conspiracy fantasy that every denier seems to be required to hold dear.

There is that number again my God trickster when you going to lose that, you have never been able to produce more than five Flippin scientists on this forum

 

[Crick]

Just where exactly, Frank, does ol' Ottmar say that anyone is falsifying data?

Are you now suggesting, Frank, that the massive global conspiracy is taking place at the direction of the IPCC?

 

[flacaltenn]

Just where exactly, Frank, does ol' Ottmar say that anyone is falsifying data?

Are you now suggesting, Frank, that the massive global conspiracy is taking place at the direction of the IPCC?

Of course it is.. The MANAGEMENT of the entire IPCC process is a bunch of wonky socialists with visions of controlling every issue they can tie to this fraud. As indicated by the MANY examples you've been given.. And Ignored.. There is no reason to believe that you could ever absorb any of the "evidence"..

Scientifically the IPCC process was biased from the time they wrote their "mission statement" .. And you've heard that tale about 35 times now and forgotten it..

 

[Uncensored2008]

Where is the evidence of global-scale fraud? Where is the single admission of conspiracy?

Fraud is contsant from your church, and you are provided it constantly.

You lied that there is no concerted blacklisting of heretics - which I have shown that there is.

Again, the AGW cult is in the same position as the Catholics of 1300, extremely powerful, due to the advantage they offer tyrants who seek to impose authoritarian measures on their subjects, extremely rich due to the extortion paid by nearly all governments, and corrupt to the bone.

You are openly selling indulgences in California, no doubt relics will follow soon.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Just where exactly, Frank, does ol' Ottmar say that anyone is falsifying data?

Are you now suggesting, Frank, that the massive global conspiracy is taking place at the direction of the IPCC?

Where does Ottmar say that he hands out razor blade apples at Halloween?

Crick, you're pathological or just detached from reality. You just make it all up as you go.

Yes, the IPCC should be charged under RICO

 

[Uncensored2008]

Just where exactly, Frank, does ol' Ottmar say that anyone is falsifying data?

Are you now suggesting, Frank, that the massive global conspiracy is taking place at the direction of the IPCC?

I'm curious, open fraud has been shown to you several dozen times - again just a few posts ago, yet you persist in lying.

Do you think that by openly lying you are confirming the integrity of the AGW cult?

You are a buffoon, no one will take you seriously.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Where does Ottmar say that he hands out razor blade apples at Halloween?

Crick, you're pathological or just detached from reality. You just make it all up as you go.

Yes, the IPCC should be charged under RICO

It would have to be FPC, the foreign corrupt practices act. The IPCC isn't domestic.