Godboy
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Is it this submission?It was off a front headlock when we were on our knees. He crawfished back and I thought my head was coming off. Never seen it before.Probably guillotine, were his legs wrapped on your hips as he was stretching out his core? You don’t need the legs for a guillotine but when you get them in there it feels like you’re heads going to pop off.I actually was shown a technique at a sambo seminar a few years back that felt like it was not just going to break your neck, it felt like he was pulling my damn head off..... I couldn't tap fast enough.Wtf are you talking about? Obviously you don’t know. If you’ve done some jujitsu, you’d know that you practice by going full force with an opponent. You can because it’s a non-striking martial art. So you’re going 100% trying to choke someone out whose trying to do the same to you. And what the Gracies in the UFC taught us in the early 2000s, going up against roided out kickboxers almost twice their size, is that jujitsu is very effective against even other highly trained opponents that just don’t know jujitsu. Now you HAVE to know BJJ in MMA, doesn’t matter how good of a striker you are. When your talking about lay people with ZERO training, BJJ is extremely effective, yet can be done so without harming them. People don’t like kimuras or arm bars, they submit very quickly. Very little pressure is needed to apply for either (or basically any) hold. If you keep applying pressure, yeah you’ll eventually break their arm or tear something, but it’s rare it will ever come to that because people want the pain to stop waaaay before you get to that point. With the chokeholds I’m talking about, you’re not going to kill them. The only injuries I’ve heard about are tweaking of the neck...compared to what? What’s the alternative? Getting your face bashed in? Getting tased and falling face first into concrete? All ears to other suggestions on how cops can deal with unarmed perps resisting or even fighting back.Then shit will get uglier.When tools are abused they get taken away. You can argue all day for this but it's going to end and those who refuse to abide by the rules will get arrested themselves.
If I slap a choke on (and as the OP said, there is a difference between sleeper holds and airway chokes) I can put a guy down and out in just a few seconds. If that isn't an option, then I got to beat him down..... and that can take a while. And it will look brutal as shit while I am doing it.
The problem with using chokeholds is lack of proper training by the officers utilizing them. The problem with the rules prohibiting chokeholds is that they are being made by people who don't even have that much training. Nor do they have any practical experience at subduing people.
The biggest problem with the chokehold, is that the positioning has to be perfect. In a fluid combative environment, it is literally the worst choice. You have had training. When you feel someone going for it, you tuck your chin in to protect the neck. At least that was one of the tricks I was taught. Then it is break the hold, and reverse the attack.
What the opponent is not going to do is just sit there and let you put him to sleep. In a fluid situation, the chances of injury or death are just too high. Now, in combat, where your enemy is there, Ok, but even then there are better choices. I was taught to break necks, not put the guy into a sleeper hold, and breaking necks is another thing that is a lot harder than Hollywood wants to make it seem. For Hollywood it is a flick of the wrist, and the guy is down and dead. In real life, you have to have some leverage, and a lot of brute strength applied rapidly.
The choke hold is not a safer option than just about anything. There is no safe option, as anything can lead to death. But the chokehold is one that is almost guaranteed to cause additional problems.
The OP just wants to have the cops kicking ass, and doesn’t care if the baddie dies. In my opinion, he would probably prefer it.
Granted jujitsu is non-striking so it’s not hyper-realistic (still very realistic since you’re going whole hog with your opponent) but it is hyper-effective. You don’t have to be stronger than your opponent, you just have to be stronger than the arteries around their neck or the ligaments in their shoulder. Which isn’t that hard to do. Besides plenty of schools offer some type of combat jiujitsu, where strikes are taken into consideration in a fight. Instead of punching you just slap. This would be perfect for cops. Teach them to cover up, not leave themselves open, and work their way to a hold.
I fucking hate listening to people who have no clue what they’re talking about, yet talk about being trained to break necks. What on earth would be a situation where breaking a neck (which is a very fucking strong musculoskeletal system) is easier than either a guillotine or a rear naked choke...and then just actually choking them to death? I could see with plenty of practice, someone with a lot of strength and leverage could eventually get good at breaking necks, problem is, not a lot of spare necks out there to practice on.
No, he just whipped his hips back on a diagonal.
Arm in too, or just your head?