The biggest reason by far workers can't support themselves is they don't care...

[kaz]

Corporate profits are through the roof
But it hasn't "trickled down" in terms of more hiring, increased salary or more benefits

But lets blame it on workers who do not care.....Shall we?

As closedcaption, you're addressing the strawman I blamed all workers when I actually said workers who can't support themselves can't primarily because they don't care. But you're one dumb fuck, I expected nothing else from you.

But as for corporate profits, the serious answer is that "through the roof" is nonsense, but they are up. And they are up because companies have streamlined and cut. Revenue is not up. And it's not up because we (management) don't trust the government and how they are going to screw us next, so we aren't expanding. You want jobs, stop screwing us.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Corporate profits are through the roof
But it hasn't "trickled down" in terms of more hiring, increased salary or more benefits

But lets blame it on workers who do not care.....Shall we?

As closedcaption, you're addressing the strawman I blamed all workers when I actually said workers who can't support themselves can't primarily because they don't care. But you're one dumb fuck, I expected nothing else from you.

But as for corporate profits, the serious answer is that "through the roof" is nonsense, but they are up. And they are up because companies have streamlined and cut. Revenue is not up. And it's not up because we (management) don't trust the government and how they are going to screw us next, so we aren't expanding. You want jobs, stop screwing us.

I'm sure you see where I rephrased the question and you ignored it right?

Standing on shaky ground there where you cant answer the question but instead chooses to attempt to pick apart the question.

 

[kaz]

What is this fairness level you keep talking about?

You argue FAIRNESS all the time. though FAIRNESS is not standardized, quantified, nor qualified... because it is a SUBJECTIVE MEASURE.... but yet you want it considered


Nice try, asshole

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/306769-affirmative-action-5.html#post7677003

Wait so you are anti-fair because you have a hard time knowing whats fair and what isn't?

That sounds like your problem

Bam! Now that's what I'm talking about, girlfriend.

Wow, thanks for telling me I'm making your little pussy ass cry.

Positive rep for you! Seriously, thanks for letting me know!

 

[kaz]

Corporate profits are through the roof
But it hasn't "trickled down" in terms of more hiring, increased salary or more benefits

But lets blame it on workers who do not care.....Shall we?

As closedcaption, you're addressing the strawman I blamed all workers when I actually said workers who can't support themselves can't primarily because they don't care. But you're one dumb fuck, I expected nothing else from you.

But as for corporate profits, the serious answer is that "through the roof" is nonsense, but they are up. And they are up because companies have streamlined and cut. Revenue is not up. And it's not up because we (management) don't trust the government and how they are going to screw us next, so we aren't expanding. You want jobs, stop screwing us.

I'm sure you see where I rephrased the question and you ignored it right?

Standing on shaky ground there where you cant answer the question but instead chooses to attempt to pick apart the question.

I'll really try not to make you cry again. I directly answered the question, re-read the thread, girlfriend.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Your "hard questions" were based on your misstatement that I was given an education by my parents and why I don't understand people who didn't get that handed to them when I said actually I got only a little help from my parents and mostly I worked and paid my own way. You then went on to say I wouldn't relate to people who didn't get it handed to them. When I didn't get it handed to me. That you can't ask a question which accurately addresses what I said, that is a clear sign even you know your view is dubious.

You are avoiding the hard questions because if you answer them honestly you would be forced to admit that you aren't doing squat to help anyone but yourself.

Ask questions honestly and you'll get honest answers. Your questions were phrased completely disingenuously. Go back and re-ask them without the slant misrepresenting what I said and I'll gladly answer them.

You must be running for office too. Never answer the question, instead just blame the person asking the question. They must teach an entire MBA semester on blame the victim.

 

[ClosedCaption]

You argue FAIRNESS all the time. though FAIRNESS is not standardized, quantified, nor qualified... because it is a SUBJECTIVE MEASURE.... but yet you want it considered


Nice try, asshole

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/306769-affirmative-action-5.html#post7677003

Wait so you are anti-fair because you have a hard time knowing whats fair and what isn't?

That sounds like your problem

Bam! Now that's what I'm talking about, girlfriend.

Wow, thanks for telling me I'm making your little pussy ass cry.

Positive rep for you! Seriously, thanks for letting me know!

I know that the name Diamond Dave looks a lot like Kaz to you but uh....I was talking to Dave

Starting to think you really don't have a level 2. This is really all you got

 

[ClosedCaption]

As closedcaption, you're addressing the strawman I blamed all workers when I actually said workers who can't support themselves can't primarily because they don't care. But you're one dumb fuck, I expected nothing else from you.

But as for corporate profits, the serious answer is that "through the roof" is nonsense, but they are up. And they are up because companies have streamlined and cut. Revenue is not up. And it's not up because we (management) don't trust the government and how they are going to screw us next, so we aren't expanding. You want jobs, stop screwing us.

I'm sure you see where I rephrased the question and you ignored it right?

Standing on shaky ground there where you cant answer the question but instead chooses to attempt to pick apart the question.

I'll really try not to make you cry again. I directly answered the question, re-read the thread, girlfriend.

Just showed your "tell"

That's how you know he didn't answer

 

[Derideo_Te]

Corporate profits are through the roof
But it hasn't "trickled down" in terms of more hiring, increased salary or more benefits

But lets blame it on workers who do not care.....Shall we?

As closedcaption, you're addressing the strawman I blamed all workers when I actually said workers who can't support themselves can't primarily because they don't care. But you're one dumb fuck, I expected nothing else from you.

But as for corporate profits, the serious answer is that "through the roof" is nonsense, but they are up. And they are up because companies have streamlined and cut. Revenue is not up. And it's not up because we (management) don't trust the government and how they are going to screw us next, so we aren't expanding. You want jobs, stop screwing us.

More corporate whining! You aren't being "screwed" by the government. You did this to yourselves. The best thing about capitalism is while whiner's like Kaz are feeling sorry for themselves someone else is taking away their market share.

 

[kaz]

Corporate profits are through the roof
But it hasn't "trickled down" in terms of more hiring, increased salary or more benefits

But lets blame it on workers who do not care.....Shall we?

As closedcaption, you're addressing the strawman I blamed all workers when I actually said workers who can't support themselves can't primarily because they don't care. But you're one dumb fuck, I expected nothing else from you.

But as for corporate profits, the serious answer is that "through the roof" is nonsense, but they are up. And they are up because companies have streamlined and cut. Revenue is not up. And it's not up because we (management) don't trust the government and how they are going to screw us next, so we aren't expanding. You want jobs, stop screwing us.

More corporate whining! You aren't being "screwed" by the government. You did this to yourselves. The best thing about capitalism is while whiner's like Kaz are feeling sorry for themselves someone else is taking away their market share.

Now this would be an accurate blame the victim example.

The bottom line though is that it doesn't matter. Whatever the reason, corporate isn't refusing to invest as revenge or for any reason other than that it's a shifting landscape and we don't invest in that environment. You and Obama can whine and complain all you want, but we're not going to do it until you stop screwing us and changing the rules, and the only reason we're not is that's the rational way for us to act. Unlike you and your liberal brethren, we are rational.

 

[kaz]

Wait so you are anti-fair because you have a hard time knowing whats fair and what isn't?

That sounds like your problem

Bam! Now that's what I'm talking about, girlfriend.

Wow, thanks for telling me I'm making your little pussy ass cry.

Positive rep for you! Seriously, thanks for letting me know!

I know that the name Diamond Dave looks a lot like Kaz to you but uh....I was talking to Dave

Starting to think you really don't have a level 2. This is really all you got

You gave me negative rep. Doesn't matter which of your idiotic posts it was for. I was saying thank you for letting me know I'm getting to your little bitch ass.

 

[kaz]

I'm sure you see where I rephrased the question and you ignored it right?

Standing on shaky ground there where you cant answer the question but instead chooses to attempt to pick apart the question.

I'll really try not to make you cry again. I directly answered the question, re-read the thread, girlfriend.

Just showed your "tell"

That's how you know he didn't answer

It was post #45

 

[DiamondDave]

ClosedMinded cannot understand the fact that FAIR is SUBJECTIVE for every person, experience, situation, and influence...


What a buffoon

 

[ClosedCaption]

Here is how I deal with a poor performer.

1) Actually step 1 applies to all workers. I have made sure that we document well every job with step by step instructions and we train people.

2) When they make mistakes, I train management to go in and assume to start it's a training issue. They walk through the manual and process with them again.

3) If they make different mistakes, they stay in step 2. If they continue to make the same mistake, we counsel them that they are making the same mistakes, they have been trained and re-trained and they need to take it seriously.

4) If they continue to make the same mistakes, they get a verbal reprimand, which is documented and placed in their employee file and their manager works with them on a remediation plan.

5) If they continue to make the same mistakes, they get a written reprimand and a written action plan with specific goals and timelines

6) If they continue to make the same mistakes, they get a written notice that they are in danger of being terminated along with and a written action plan with specific goals and timelines

7) They are terminated. This is all in the employee manual and it's been reviewed with my staff. I have never lost an unemployement claim that I disputed, so we're doing a darned good job of managing this process.

I care by giving them every chance to be valuable to the company and earn a living. At that point, if they don't care about the company or their job, that's on them.

Heres a tip: If you cant explain what you say, you probably shouldn't say it.

Good job at completely sidestepping my question

Here's a tip, if you aren't able to grasp answers to questions that have more than three words, don't ask open ended questions.

I'll dumb it down for you, probably not enough. I do everything I can to care for my workers who can't support themselves by setting up a system to give them every assistance and opportunity that I can. I realize to you caring means handouts of other people's money, but to me, caring is giving someone every chance to do it for themselves.

If someone won't care enough to do a good job to support themselves, your view that we should just give them money is idiotic.

Here is post #45 Where you talked about what you do to care for your workers.

That is the second sidestep you did to one question

Heres your first response:

You obviously have zero experience in the subject, so your opinion is irrelevant

All you had to say was you cant explain it instead of being all pissy about it

Stop being a dick. If you want to discuss, discuss. If you want to insult, insult without whining when you get it back.

Sidestepped, Heres your second sidestep:

Did you even read the op? I was talking about the workers who can't support themselves, I did not as you just misstated address all workers. If you come up with a question that's about my op not your strawman, get back to me.

Ok, Where do you find caring levels for todays workers THAT CANT SUPPORT THEMSELVES?

Here is how I deal with a poor performer.

1) Actually step 1 applies to all workers. I have made sure that we document well every job with step by step instructions and we train people.

2) When they make mistakes, I train management to go in and assume to start it's a training issue. They walk through the manual and process with them again.

3) If they make different mistakes, they stay in step 2. If they continue to make the same mistake, we counsel them that they are making the same mistakes, they have been trained and re-trained and they need to take it seriously.

4) If they continue to make the same mistakes, they get a verbal reprimand, which is documented and placed in their employee file and their manager works with them on a remediation plan.

5) If they continue to make the same mistakes, they get a written reprimand and a written action plan with specific goals and timelines

6) If they continue to make the same mistakes, they get a written notice that they are in danger of being terminated along with and a written action plan with specific goals and timelines

7) They are terminated. This is all in the employee manual and it's been reviewed with my staff. I have never lost an unemployement claim that I disputed, so we're doing a darned good job of managing this process.

I care by giving them every chance to be valuable to the company and earn a living. At that point, if they don't care about the company or their job, that's on them.

As soon as you said "re read the thread" that was your tell. When you came back with a post # with NO LINK. That was the second tell. So here is the question again:

Ok, Where do you find caring levels for todays workers THAT CANT SUPPORT THEMSELVES?

I'm sure you'll respond with How you like Daisy's over daffodils or something else that has nothing to do with the question in front of you. Just like Dave...Dave is confused on the concept of fairness. Too many moving parts yanno

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

I do realize that Conservatives off up hard work and initaitive as the answer to all problems. They then do everything in their power to ensure that hard work and intiative go unrewarded

Unless we are talking about the 1%

THAT is a complete and utter lie.

Not only that, it's self-delusional and self destructive.

I'm living proof.

No College. Enlisted in the Army in 1965 for the VA College Program (my parents couldn't afford to send me to College -- No way)

Got sent off to a place I'd never heard of before.... Viet Nam. Left the Army in 1971, went home, found that I was better off telling prospective employers that I was 'down on the Farm' instead of Honorably Serving my Country. (wanna hear about prejudice? Oh yeah)

Tried College for a Month. Not for me.

Worked some good jobs and some not-so-good jobs. Left Cleveland came to Florida and when I retired thirteen years ago (at age 53) I left with almost a half-million dollars in cash and cash obligations. Maybe a little more.

Of which half is now gone And I don't mind one goddam bit.

So there's only one of two possibilities here... Either I am twice the Man you'll ever hope to be or times were better back then..... Like, as in, when we had Republican Leadership and dimocraps weren't dimocraps, they were democrats and a few of them were even Democrats (a now extinct brand of honorable politician).

Now..... Your party isn't even that. You're dimocraps. semi-marxist, third way, Euro-trash socialists.

And even in this SHIT market, maybe if you'd stop crying and feeling sorry for yourself and blaming everybody else for your loserdom.... Maybe you could be somebody....

Or not.

Never gonna happen until you change your mindset. You can't have the mindset of a loser and expect to have a brick hit you in the ass and make you a winner.

Don't work like that.

Grow up

Nice story, Inspirational

Has nothing to do with todays job market

Sure doesn't. Congress has commerce in this country at a standstill because they won't do a fucking thing except create uncertainty and instability in an already fucked economy by way of the mortgage crisis and Wall Street. Even Bush acknowledged that: (Google "Wall Street got drunk" George W. Bush).

Couple that with America's pursuit of such stupid degrees in marketing and business admin in the 90s and 00s and ignoring the boom in technology and you will see instantly that the lion's share of internet and computer jobs are filled by people with names that have very few vowels and 5-6 syllables. They are all over Princeton in the research and projects departments, that I can attest.

And to the O/P: Doesn't sound like you had a tech job either so you were born at the right time to suck up to a large corporation and hide there for 20 years. BFD.

 

[kaz]

Ok, Where do you find caring levels for todays workers THAT CANT SUPPORT THEMSELVES?

Reading is fundamental. As diamonddave is telling you with "fair," I am addressing what I consider to be "support." I give them every support and every chance, that's how I do it. You are just looking for government handouts in there, like you look for government handouts everywhere else. Can't help you there.

 

[Derideo_Te]

As closedcaption, you're addressing the strawman I blamed all workers when I actually said workers who can't support themselves can't primarily because they don't care. But you're one dumb fuck, I expected nothing else from you.

But as for corporate profits, the serious answer is that "through the roof" is nonsense, but they are up. And they are up because companies have streamlined and cut. Revenue is not up. And it's not up because we (management) don't trust the government and how they are going to screw us next, so we aren't expanding. You want jobs, stop screwing us.

More corporate whining! You aren't being "screwed" by the government. You did this to yourselves. The best thing about capitalism is while whiner's like Kaz are feeling sorry for themselves someone else is taking away their market share.

Now this would be an accurate blame the victim example.

The bottom line though is that it doesn't matter. Whatever the reason, corporate isn't refusing to invest as revenge or for any reason other than that it's a shifting landscape and we don't invest in that environment. You and Obama can whine and complain all you want, but we're not going to do it until you stop screwing us and changing the rules, and the only reason we're not is that's the rational way for us to act. Unlike you and your liberal brethren, we are rational.

at yet more corporate whining. Corporations feel ENTITLED to dictate what the rules must be that they will play by otherwise they will take their ball and feel sorry for themselves. Reality is that you had your chance as setting the rules and you screwed up the economy big time. Now the adults are back in charge and releveling the playing field. Either you climb out of your funk or you will be left in the dust when the economy takes off. And short of the far right bringing the economy to its' knees over the phony debt ceiling issue it will take off. If you don't have your plans in place and everything ready to go from day 1 you are going to be playing catch up for the next 5 years.

 

[kaz]

More corporate whining! You aren't being "screwed" by the government. You did this to yourselves. The best thing about capitalism is while whiner's like Kaz are feeling sorry for themselves someone else is taking away their market share.

Now this would be an accurate blame the victim example.

The bottom line though is that it doesn't matter. Whatever the reason, corporate isn't refusing to invest as revenge or for any reason other than that it's a shifting landscape and we don't invest in that environment. You and Obama can whine and complain all you want, but we're not going to do it until you stop screwing us and changing the rules, and the only reason we're not is that's the rational way for us to act. Unlike you and your liberal brethren, we are rational.

at yet more corporate whining. Corporations feel ENTITLED to dictate what the rules must be that they will play by otherwise they will take their ball and feel sorry for themselves. Reality is that you had your chance as setting the rules and you screwed up the economy big time. Now the adults are back in charge and releveling the playing field. Either you climb out of your funk or you will be left in the dust when the economy takes off. And short of the far right bringing the economy to its' knees over the phony debt ceiling issue it will take off. If you don't have your plans in place and everything ready to go from day 1 you are going to be playing catch up for the next 5 years.

I opposed the government regulations that caused the economic meltdown and I opposed bailing out the corporations that failed.

So it's my fault.

Got it.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Now this would be an accurate blame the victim example.

The bottom line though is that it doesn't matter. Whatever the reason, corporate isn't refusing to invest as revenge or for any reason other than that it's a shifting landscape and we don't invest in that environment. You and Obama can whine and complain all you want, but we're not going to do it until you stop screwing us and changing the rules, and the only reason we're not is that's the rational way for us to act. Unlike you and your liberal brethren, we are rational.

at yet more corporate whining. Corporations feel ENTITLED to dictate what the rules must be that they will play by otherwise they will take their ball and feel sorry for themselves. Reality is that you had your chance as setting the rules and you screwed up the economy big time. Now the adults are back in charge and releveling the playing field. Either you climb out of your funk or you will be left in the dust when the economy takes off. And short of the far right bringing the economy to its' knees over the phony debt ceiling issue it will take off. If you don't have your plans in place and everything ready to go from day 1 you are going to be playing catch up for the next 5 years.

I opposed the government regulations that caused the economic meltdown and I opposed bailing out the corporations that failed.

So it's my fault.

Got it.

You worked for GE for 20 years? Kissed a lot of ass, for sure. "Making it" as a corporate zombie is all about passing decision making on to somebody else while sucking up to your superiors. I'm totally impressed.

 

[kaz]

at yet more corporate whining. Corporations feel ENTITLED to dictate what the rules must be that they will play by otherwise they will take their ball and feel sorry for themselves. Reality is that you had your chance as setting the rules and you screwed up the economy big time. Now the adults are back in charge and releveling the playing field. Either you climb out of your funk or you will be left in the dust when the economy takes off. And short of the far right bringing the economy to its' knees over the phony debt ceiling issue it will take off. If you don't have your plans in place and everything ready to go from day 1 you are going to be playing catch up for the next 5 years.

I opposed the government regulations that caused the economic meltdown and I opposed bailing out the corporations that failed.

So it's my fault.

Got it.

You worked for GE for 20 years? Kissed a lot of ass, for sure. "Making it" as a corporate zombie is all about passing decision making on to somebody else while sucking up to your superiors. I'm totally impressed.

GE about 10 years, management consulting for about 10 years, owned my own businesses around 5.

As for your hatred of business, that is why you're a Marxist and I'm not. I'm not sure where we go unless you have a more specific point in there.

 

[rightwinger]

Now this would be an accurate blame the victim example.

The bottom line though is that it doesn't matter. Whatever the reason, corporate isn't refusing to invest as revenge or for any reason other than that it's a shifting landscape and we don't invest in that environment. You and Obama can whine and complain all you want, but we're not going to do it until you stop screwing us and changing the rules, and the only reason we're not is that's the rational way for us to act. Unlike you and your liberal brethren, we are rational.

at yet more corporate whining. Corporations feel ENTITLED to dictate what the rules must be that they will play by otherwise they will take their ball and feel sorry for themselves. Reality is that you had your chance as setting the rules and you screwed up the economy big time. Now the adults are back in charge and releveling the playing field. Either you climb out of your funk or you will be left in the dust when the economy takes off. And short of the far right bringing the economy to its' knees over the phony debt ceiling issue it will take off. If you don't have your plans in place and everything ready to go from day 1 you are going to be playing catch up for the next 5 years.

I opposed the government regulations that caused the economic meltdown and I opposed bailing out the corporations that failed.

So it's my fault.

Got it.

It's not your fault

It's the fault of lazy workers