The biggest reason by far workers can't support themselves is they don't care...

[kaz]

at yet more corporate whining. Corporations feel ENTITLED to dictate what the rules must be that they will play by otherwise they will take their ball and feel sorry for themselves. Reality is that you had your chance as setting the rules and you screwed up the economy big time. Now the adults are back in charge and releveling the playing field. Either you climb out of your funk or you will be left in the dust when the economy takes off. And short of the far right bringing the economy to its' knees over the phony debt ceiling issue it will take off. If you don't have your plans in place and everything ready to go from day 1 you are going to be playing catch up for the next 5 years.

I opposed the government regulations that caused the economic meltdown and I opposed bailing out the corporations that failed.

So it's my fault.

Got it.

It's not your fault

It's the fault of lazy workers

Strawman

 

[Vox]

Thank you for being honest about your parents supporting you while you went to college for your undergraduate degree. You subsequently had the benefit of a well paying job to support your other degrees.

It is an entirely different matter if you are the sole breadwinner in a low paying job(s) working long hours and trying to put yourself through college without the benefit of any "support systems". But that is what you expect others to do and still "care" and produce "quality work".

Your premise does not take into account the reality that others are facing. They don't have the advantages that you enjoyed. You are not offering them anything in the way of "support" to better themselves other than your "advice". Words are meaningless, only actions count. Start a program to help those who work for you pay their college costs. Give them paid time off to attend classes. That is what a real "support system" is all about. Do you offer any of those things?

And what is wrong with that, you whiny soul?
Did you have to come to the country on a tourist visa and 600 bucks in a pocket with a family in another country and make your way up all the way from a 5$per hour job to a very comfortable middle class level professional job while supporting the family overseas, going through all the loops of immigration system and then professional re-certification and still being the sole provider for a family of 4?

If not - stop whining.

Even if you have been born in a ghetto to a single mother and never had a family - you have a JUMP START just being born in this country.

That jump start is worth ~ 25K - the cost of American citizenship.

Your premise does not take into account the reality that others are facing. They don't have the advantages that you enjoyed. You are not offering them anything in the way of "support" to better themselves other than your "advice". Words are meaningless, only actions count. Start a program to help those who work for you pay their college costs. Give them paid time off to attend classes. That is what a real "support system" is all about. Do you offer any of those things?

Same is YOUR premise.
You have had a jump start over millions of others just being born here.

So STOP WHINING.

There is nothing difficult in working long hours while getting yourself through college.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Ok, Where do you find caring levels for todays workers THAT CANT SUPPORT THEMSELVES?

Reading is fundamental. As diamonddave is telling you with "fair," I am addressing what I consider to be "support." I give them every support and every chance, that's how I do it. You are just looking for government handouts in there, like you look for government handouts everywhere else. Can't help you there.

I didn't ask what you considered support idiot.

I asking where you are finding care levels?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Now this would be an accurate blame the victim example.

The bottom line though is that it doesn't matter. Whatever the reason, corporate isn't refusing to invest as revenge or for any reason other than that it's a shifting landscape and we don't invest in that environment. You and Obama can whine and complain all you want, but we're not going to do it until you stop screwing us and changing the rules, and the only reason we're not is that's the rational way for us to act. Unlike you and your liberal brethren, we are rational.

at yet more corporate whining. Corporations feel ENTITLED to dictate what the rules must be that they will play by otherwise they will take their ball and feel sorry for themselves. Reality is that you had your chance as setting the rules and you screwed up the economy big time. Now the adults are back in charge and releveling the playing field. Either you climb out of your funk or you will be left in the dust when the economy takes off. And short of the far right bringing the economy to its' knees over the phony debt ceiling issue it will take off. If you don't have your plans in place and everything ready to go from day 1 you are going to be playing catch up for the next 5 years.

I opposed the government regulations that caused the economic meltdown and I opposed bailing out the corporations that failed.

So it's my fault.

Got it.

Once again you cannot take responsibility for your corporate part in the economic meltdown but instead have to blame "government regulations". Says volumes!

 

[rightwinger]

I opposed the government regulations that caused the economic meltdown and I opposed bailing out the corporations that failed.

So it's my fault.

Got it.

It's not your fault

It's the fault of lazy workers

Strawman

your entire thread is a strawman

 

[Seawytch]

The reality...

The rest is bullshit.

 

[kaz]

It's not your fault

It's the fault of lazy workers

Strawman

your entire thread is a strawman

I'm sure to the three stooges and your friend Darla that's the best you can comprehend due to the variety of subjects you don't know anything about. You want to talk government power and redistribution. Business, hiring, employment. I suppose "strawman" is as close as you're capable of processing. Do it myself, WTF are you talking about, kaz? That's not the subject, we're talking about what government can do.

The Democratic party has gone 180 from JFK in only 50 years.

 

[kaz]

at yet more corporate whining. Corporations feel ENTITLED to dictate what the rules must be that they will play by otherwise they will take their ball and feel sorry for themselves. Reality is that you had your chance as setting the rules and you screwed up the economy big time. Now the adults are back in charge and releveling the playing field. Either you climb out of your funk or you will be left in the dust when the economy takes off. And short of the far right bringing the economy to its' knees over the phony debt ceiling issue it will take off. If you don't have your plans in place and everything ready to go from day 1 you are going to be playing catch up for the next 5 years.

I opposed the government regulations that caused the economic meltdown and I opposed bailing out the corporations that failed.

So it's my fault.

Got it.

Once again you cannot take responsibility for your corporate part in the economic meltdown but instead have to blame "government regulations". Says volumes!

Business are a lot of different companies that compete with each other, government is one entity that imposes it's will with the force of guns. The comparison is ridiculous.

In this case, government under Clinton decided everyone should be able to buy a home. Including people who don't qualify for the money. So they threatened the heads of banks with Congressional hearing witch trials and backed up the loans with endless practically free money. Yeah, government did it. W came in and said wow, that's not going to end well. And in typical Republican fashion continued the policies. Then government propped up the losers.

This is all on government sparky. Sure, there were bad companies. They should have been a allowed to fail. They did nothing free market in any of this. I opposed it all. Your Gods did this, and only they could because only they were armed and could and did impose their will with force.

 

[kaz]

It's not your fault

It's the fault of lazy workers

Strawman

your entire thread is a strawman

Some of my first discussions on the site were with you on how you liked using the word strawman and didn't know what it means. Somethings never change, do they rw?

 

[kaz]

The reality...

The rest is bullshit.

Well, you certainly have a great example of government being the problem. Nothing is more socialist in this country than how universities operate or are funded. Just like cheap housing, cheap government loans drive our inefficient system to ever spiraling higher costs and people don't think about how they can pay the money back until after they get a degree in something they can't get a job in and start figuring it out. People going to expensive schools and getting lame degrees on other people's money wouldn't happen very often in a system where people were responsible for their own educational costs from the start.

 

[rightwinger]

Strawman

your entire thread is a strawman

I'm sure to the three stooges and your friend Darla that's the best you can comprehend due to the variety of subjects you don't know anything about. You want to talk government power and redistribution. Business, hiring, employment. I suppose "strawman" is as close as you're capable of processing. Do it myself, WTF are you talking about, kaz? That's not the subject, we're talking about what government can do.

The Democratic party has gone 180 from JFK in only 50 years.

Mixed metaphor

Darla was in Our Gang

 

[Seawytch]

The reality...

The rest is bullshit.

Well, you certainly have a great example of government being the problem. Nothing is more socialist in this country than how universities operate or are funded. Just like cheap housing, cheap government loans drive our inefficient system to ever spiraling higher costs and people don't think about how they can pay the money back until after they get a degree in something they can't get a job in and start figuring it out. People going to expensive schools and getting lame degrees on other people's money wouldn't happen very often in a system where people were responsible for their own educational costs from the start.

What kind of eyesight problem do you have that enables you to see the rising cost of College, but not the stagnation of wages?

 

[Derideo_Te]

I opposed the government regulations that caused the economic meltdown and I opposed bailing out the corporations that failed.

So it's my fault.

Got it.

Once again you cannot take responsibility for your corporate part in the economic meltdown but instead have to blame "government regulations". Says volumes!

Business are a lot of different companies that compete with each other, government is one entity that imposes it's will with the force of guns. The comparison is ridiculous.

In this case, government under Clinton decided everyone should be able to buy a home. Including people who don't qualify for the money. So they threatened the heads of banks with Congressional hearing witch trials and backed up the loans with endless practically free money. Yeah, government did it. W came in and said wow, that's not going to end well. And in typical Republican fashion continued the policies. Then government propped up the losers.

This is all on government sparky. Sure, there were bad companies. They should have been a allowed to fail. They did nothing free market in any of this. I opposed it all. Your Gods did this, and only they could because only they were armed and could and did impose their will with force.

Only the gullible who lack critical thinking skills and don't know how to fact check for themselves would believe something that utterly ludicrous!

 

[kaz]

Once again you cannot take responsibility for your corporate part in the economic meltdown but instead have to blame "government regulations". Says volumes!

Business are a lot of different companies that compete with each other, government is one entity that imposes it's will with the force of guns. The comparison is ridiculous.

In this case, government under Clinton decided everyone should be able to buy a home. Including people who don't qualify for the money. So they threatened the heads of banks with Congressional hearing witch trials and backed up the loans with endless practically free money. Yeah, government did it. W came in and said wow, that's not going to end well. And in typical Republican fashion continued the policies. Then government propped up the losers.

This is all on government sparky. Sure, there were bad companies. They should have been a allowed to fail. They did nothing free market in any of this. I opposed it all. Your Gods did this, and only they could because only they were armed and could and did impose their will with force.

Only the gullible who lack critical thinking skills and don't know how to fact check for themselves would believe something that utterly ludicrous!

Fact check what? You didn't say anything specific, I did. And it's basic history. You love and trust government, I got it. When government screws up, you won't see it, I got it. But government has the guns, government makes the rules, government forced banks to do it's bidding, government funded the housing bubble, but facts don't matter to a sycophant, do they de.yesman.eo?

 

[kaz]

the cluster where you clowns keep thanking and repping each other is hilarious. Groupthink is the liberal way. But truth isn't determined by a vote. Which is why liberal lawyer economics never work.

 

[barry1960]

the cluster where you clowns keep thanking and repping each other is hilarious. Groupthink is the liberal way. But truth isn't determined by a vote. Which is why liberal lawyer economics never work.

Group think is what conservatives do best. Their constat nre-hashing what they hear from their talking heads. In economics it is especially acute. They re-state the mantra of shareholder capitaliism, supply side economics, low tax rates for the rich, and trickle down. All opinions with little or no credibility which have not worked. They regard any government regulation as socilalism because that is what they hear on talk radio.

Conservative = no independent thought. Group think in the highest order.

 

[Avatar4321]

Thats the way it used to be

Now you lower your expectations to come into a company at a lower level with the expectation of working your way up and there is no opportunity for advancement. Your responsibilities will increase of course but not your pay

Corporate world 2013....but at least the companies are making record profits

You have no right and you are not OWED advancement spoon fed by a company.. it is on YOU to advance, make yourself in demand, etc

As usual,

Conservatives respond to a collective problem with and individual solution

All solutions are individual. Which, of course, is why treating them otherwise is only putting a band aid on a superficial wound while ignoring the real problem.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Business are a lot of different companies that compete with each other, government is one entity that imposes it's will with the force of guns. The comparison is ridiculous.

In this case, government under Clinton decided everyone should be able to buy a home. Including people who don't qualify for the money. So they threatened the heads of banks with Congressional hearing witch trials and backed up the loans with endless practically free money. Yeah, government did it. W came in and said wow, that's not going to end well. And in typical Republican fashion continued the policies. Then government propped up the losers.

This is all on government sparky. Sure, there were bad companies. They should have been a allowed to fail. They did nothing free market in any of this. I opposed it all. Your Gods did this, and only they could because only they were armed and could and did impose their will with force.

Only the gullible who lack critical thinking skills and don't know how to fact check for themselves would believe something that utterly ludicrous!

Fact check what? You didn't say anything specific, I did. And it's basic history. You love and trust government, I got it. When government screws up, you won't see it, I got it. But government has the guns, government makes the rules, government forced banks to do it's bidding, government funded the housing bubble, but facts don't matter to a sycophant, do they de.yesman.eo?

Anyone who is gullible enough to believe that the government held a gun to the heads of the Wall Street banks and forced them to give junk balloon mortgages to anyone with a pulse wouldn't even know where to start fact checking because that requires critical thinking skills.

 

[kaz]

the cluster where you clowns keep thanking and repping each other is hilarious. Groupthink is the liberal way. But truth isn't determined by a vote. Which is why liberal lawyer economics never work.

Group think is what conservatives do best. Their constat nre-hashing what they hear from their talking heads. In economics it is especially acute. They re-state the mantra of shareholder capitaliism, supply side economics, low tax rates for the rich, and trickle down. All opinions with little or no credibility which have not worked. They regard any government regulation as socilalism because that is what they hear on talk radio.

Conservative = no independent thought. Group think in the highest order.

Right, the fiscal conservatives, socons, republican libertarians and moderate "RINOS" who disagree on everything are groupthinking, while liberals who agree on everything are critical thinkers who all through independent research and analysis all arrived at the same answer for everything.

Keith Olbermann is an idiot, stop believing everything he tells you.

 

[kaz]

Only the gullible who lack critical thinking skills and don't know how to fact check for themselves would believe something that utterly ludicrous!

Fact check what? You didn't say anything specific, I did. And it's basic history. You love and trust government, I got it. When government screws up, you won't see it, I got it. But government has the guns, government makes the rules, government forced banks to do it's bidding, government funded the housing bubble, but facts don't matter to a sycophant, do they de.yesman.eo?

Anyone who is gullible enough to believe that the government held a gun to the heads of the Wall Street banks and forced them to give junk balloon mortgages to anyone with a pulse wouldn't even know where to start fact checking because that requires critical thinking skills.

My area of expertise. Google Clinton and affordable housing. As for your lack of knowledge that the fed floods the housing market and other banking sectors with virtually free money and the obvious value bubble that creates, that's a level of ignorance no one can help you with. Have you considered jumper cables to jump start your brain?