The Common Denominator: Islam

[Redfish]

How many Christians in this thread love their enemies and are willing to turn the other cheek?

So far I see the count is ZERO.

That means that either there are no Christians posting in this thread, or, there are Christians here who don't feel compelled to obey the teachings of their Lord and Saviour.

How is that possible?

How is it possible that Christians can ignore the Book and still be Christians, and yet,

Muslims, we are told, are bound in some way to be literal unequivocal followers of every word of the Koran?

Here's an idea, how about you people let some Muslims be Muslims the way you allow yourself to be a Christian, if that is what they choose?

How about you turning your other cheek as they cut your head off. Show us how its done.

I'd rather lead you into that kind of meltdown.

So Christians can ignore Christ and still be Christians. Very interesting.

How about you let Muslims ignore some of the Koran, and still be Muslims?

Thats what you are too ignorant to understand. Muslims are NOT ALLOWED to ignore one word of the Koran. Not one word. If they do then they are no better than non-believers. They are to be killed. Ask any muslim what would be his or her fate if he or she openly ignored any part of the Koran or its teachings. ASK THEM, you might learn something.

We non-muslims cannot mentally grasp the hold that this religion has on its followers. If it is written in the Koran by Allah, then it is to be followed to the letter by all muslims----------there is no deviation permitted.

Islam is not like Christianity, buddism, hinduism, shintoism, or even atheism. Muslims have no options regarding how islam is interpreted. They have to follow it ver batum or die.

 

[Kondor3]

Failing to recognize the nature of the wooden horse is what did the Trojans in.

It will be up to the people of this country to determine what sort of middle-ground might be appropriate in the case of this newcomer threat-vector.

You've already stated your position. You want to redefine Islam as something other than a religion so we can get around any Consitutional impediments to persecuting all Muslims.

I want to redefine Islam as something other than a religion so we can get around any Constitutional impediments to monitoring and penetrating and censuring Islamic organizations which might prove necessary or appropriate to the safety and well-being of the country and its non-Muslim citizenry as Radical Islam grows in scope and momentum overseas and poses an increasing threat to us. Persecution is something quite different from that and is called Dhimmitude in some parts of the world.

Nice try at putting words into somebody else's mouth, though. Not. Epic fail, actually.

So you wouldn't want to prevent mosques being built in the US, such as the so-called ground zero mosque?

Never said anything about that one way or another.

That wasn't the question. Do you support the right of Muslims to build mosques in America? Or are they the Trojan horses you were referring to?

Islam itself is the Trojan Horse - attributable to its susceptibilities, interventionism, theocratic interference in secular life, misogynistic tendencies, collectivism, and its intolerance and hatred and disdain for all things not of Islam.

The fewer gathering places available to practitioners of this incompatible and West-hostile and toxic cultural-political-spiritual abomination, the better.

 

[Redfish]

You just did.

supporting and committing are not the same thing. You lied once again.

That makes no sense. What percent of all the Muslims on earth have committed an act of terror?

its makes complete sense. 15% do it but 75-80% support it. The 10% who condemn it generally don't live very long.

300 million Muslims have committed an act of terror?

lol, could you list those?

It appears to be taking Redfish awhile to compile that list.

the actual beheaders and suicide bombers are obviously a small number. the suicide bombers are dead. One does not have to actually do the act in order to be part of it. Did Hitler personally turn the gas valves? Did every member of the SS turn them? The members of groups like ISIS, Al qaeda, hamas, hezbollah etc represent a significant number of muslims, those who support those groups financially or philosophically are a much larger number. 300 million? maybe, maybe more.

 

[Redfish]

As hard as it is to believe, the President of the United States...

This one:
Obama says the Islamic State 'is not Islamic.'

...

Sort of like saying the Westboro Baptist Church and the fun family Phelps are not Christian

Those idiots do claim to be doing what they do in the name of Christianity. But there are only a tiny number of them, compared to millions of radical muslims.

the other difference is that all Christians from the pope to Billy Graham to the preacher at a tiny church in appalachaia openly condemn and disavow those fools from Christianity.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

As hard as it is to believe, the President of the United States...

This one:
Obama says the Islamic State 'is not Islamic.'

...

Sort of like saying the Westboro Baptist Church and the fun family Phelps are not Christian

Those idiots do claim to be doing what they do in the name of Christianity. But there are only a tiny number of them, compared to millions of radical muslims.

the other difference is that all Christians from the pope to Billy Graham to the preacher at a tiny church in appalachaia openly condemn and disavow those fools from Christianity.

If there were millions of radical Muslims engaging in a war on us it would be horrific. Thank gawd in the real world there are relatively few.

Point taken on Islam response to radicals, but it's much easier to condemn people who will not Fatwah your ass.

And ask gays and abortion clinics, and Jews, and Immigrants about Christian shooters and bombers, and thugs who have maimed and killed many here at home

 

[Redfish]

As hard as it is to believe, the President of the United States...

This one:
Obama says the Islamic State 'is not Islamic.'

...

Sort of like saying the Westboro Baptist Church and the fun family Phelps are not Christian

Those idiots do claim to be doing what they do in the name of Christianity. But there are only a tiny number of them, compared to millions of radical muslims.

the other difference is that all Christians from the pope to Billy Graham to the preacher at a tiny church in appalachaia openly condemn and disavow those fools from Christianity.

If there were millions of radical Muslims engaging in a war on us it would be horrific. Thank gawd in the real world there are relatively few.

Point taken on Islam response to radicals, but it's much easier to condemn people who will not Fatwah your ass.

And ask gays and abortion clinics, and Jews, and Immigrants about Christian shooters and bombers, and thugs who have maimed and killed many here at home

how do gays, abortionists, jews and immigrants fare in muslims countries? Much worse than here. Not even close. Would you like to be a gay Christian in Iran or Egypt right now? But if you are a muslim father and choose to genitally mutilate your daughter, you are doing the will of allah. sick, sick, sick.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

As hard as it is to believe, the President of the United States...

This one:
Obama says the Islamic State 'is not Islamic.'

...

Sort of like saying the Westboro Baptist Church and the fun family Phelps are not Christian

Those idiots do claim to be doing what they do in the name of Christianity. But there are only a tiny number of them, compared to millions of radical muslims.

the other difference is that all Christians from the pope to Billy Graham to the preacher at a tiny church in appalachaia openly condemn and disavow those fools from Christianity.

If there were millions of radical Muslims engaging in a war on us it would be horrific. Thank gawd in the real world there are relatively few.

Point taken on Islam response to radicals, but it's much easier to condemn people who will not Fatwah your ass.

And ask gays and abortion clinics, and Jews, and Immigrants about Christian shooters and bombers, and thugs who have maimed and killed many here at home

how do gays, abortionists, jews and immigrants fare in muslims countries? Much worse than here. Not even close. Would you like to be a gay Christian in Iran or Egypt right now? But if you are a muslim father and choose to genitally mutilate your daughter, you are doing the will of allah. sick, sick, sick.

Worse, but what is your point?

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Redfish]

As hard as it is to believe, the President of the United States...

This one:
Obama says the Islamic State 'is not Islamic.'

...

Sort of like saying the Westboro Baptist Church and the fun family Phelps are not Christian

Those idiots do claim to be doing what they do in the name of Christianity. But there are only a tiny number of them, compared to millions of radical muslims.

the other difference is that all Christians from the pope to Billy Graham to the preacher at a tiny church in appalachaia openly condemn and disavow those fools from Christianity.

If there were millions of radical Muslims engaging in a war on us it would be horrific. Thank gawd in the real world there are relatively few.

Point taken on Islam response to radicals, but it's much easier to condemn people who will not Fatwah your ass.

And ask gays and abortion clinics, and Jews, and Immigrants about Christian shooters and bombers, and thugs who have maimed and killed many here at home

how do gays, abortionists, jews and immigrants fare in muslims countries? Much worse than here. Not even close. Would you like to be a gay Christian in Iran or Egypt right now? But if you are a muslim father and choose to genitally mutilate your daughter, you are doing the will of allah. sick, sick, sick.

Worse, but what is your point?

earlier in the thread all the libs were defending islam and downing Christianity.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Abortion terrorists? How many of those are there? Where are the quotes that they did what they did in the name of God? Where in the Christian Bible does Jesus say it's okay to murder? Aren't they going against their Christian religion? Doing the exact opposite of what is taught?

aaaaaaaand right back to the "terrorism as golf game" canard.

The question above was about religious motivations. Not volume discounts.

How do you know they're not doing it because they find the murder of innocent life to be morally reprehensible, regardless of what religion, if any, they follow? Do muslims support abortion? Their women can't even expose their faces to any other males except their husbands, but they're not being oppressed? Islam stands in diametric opposition to everything liberals claim to be for, yet it's liberals that continue to defend it and support it. How's that for irony? So do you really not stand against oppression? Are you against women's rights? How do you rationalize supporting a religion that oppresses people?

I haven't posted about "Islam". I've posted about bad logic and hair-on-fire media.
Try to keep up.

You are defending Islam from what you perceive as an attack by the op, you've stated your opinion of this thread many times, attacked the op of the thread for her views. Otherwise, why are you even here? Silly question, I know, you always show up to bloviate, and are typically a waste of time to even converse with.

This thread is an attack on all of Islam. It is the same worn out attack we've been hearing for years from the haters,

that Islam by it's alleged nature is fundamentally and irreparably unacceptable.

That is a very distinct and separate argument from the arguments that say some people's interpretations of their religion are unacceptable.

The attack of this thread is to blame the religion itself, not the bad people who claim to be of that religion.

"Haters" like the NYTimes?

1. “We should by now have become used to the death cult that is thriving at the fringes of the Muslim world. This is the cult of people who are proud to declare, "You love life, but we love death." This is the cult that sent waves of defenseless children to be mowed down on the battlefields of the Iran-Iraq war, that trains kindergartners to become bombs, that fetishizes death, that sends people off joyfully to commit mass murder. Because the death cult is not really about the cause it purports to serve. It's about the sheer pleasure of killing and dying.” http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/07/opinion/07brooks.html

a. It is the blood that informs the act. In the 1971 assassination of Jordan’s prime minister, Wasfi l-Tell, by PLO terrorists. “As he lay there, one of his killers bent over and lapped the blood that poured from his wounds.” Know Thy Enemy National Review Online

b. Leading Muslim clerics often refer to the love of death. Chief Palestinian Authority cleric Mufti Sheikh Ikrimeh Sabri stated, "We tell them, in as much as you love life, the Muslim loves death and martyrdom.” http://old.nationalreview.com/comment/stalinsky200405240846.asp

c. And so, the ideals and idea of America, and the iconic message of the Declaration of Independence, ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness,’ is anathema to Islamism, just as it was to fascism and communism, and every totalitarian philosophy.

That jibberish is useful if there's a need to fill a blank page with jibberish.

Are you Christian? Why don't you turn the other cheek to these terrorists, as your book instructs you?

It was a given that you'd have no intelligent response to the post.

I just felt like proving it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As hard as it is to believe, the President of the United States...

This one:
Obama says the Islamic State 'is not Islamic.'

...

Sort of like saying the Westboro Baptist Church and the fun family Phelps are not Christian

Who'd they behead?

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Pogo]

I think your character was thoroughly revealed yesterday when you lied about never having heard of anti-abortion terrorism.

The poster above said that it's the religion that's the problem, not just the extremists.

So if the religion is the problem, if the religion is the CAUSE of the terrorism, then we should have the right to destroy the religion itself,

which means destroy all of the practitioners of that religion, who are apparently as much a part of the problem as the extremists?

Is that correct?

Anti abortion terrorism? All I asked is that you show facts regarding it, numbers, dates, etc... I still have yet to see any summation. Bombing an abortion clinic or shooting an abortion doctor, both of which happened many years ago, not to mention being isolated indicents is where you are being deceitful in even trying to use such a comparison to islamic terrorism.

What do you see as the 'cause' of the terrorism? Let me guess, American foreign policy? And even if it was that, then why claim everything they do in the name of their religion?

To the extent anyone is -- and it's going way on a limb to accept the premise considering the source -- it would most likely be because organized religion provides an emotional rally flag to unite zealots in a common cause, even if said zealots hail from different countries or regions.

Why do all those abortion terrorists do what they do in the name of the religion? Why did the Klan? Same reason: a common glue to corral a mob in mass hysteria.

Same thing this very thread is doing.

Abortion terrorists? How many of those are there? Where are the quotes that they did what they did in the name of God? Where in the Christian Bible does Jesus say it's okay to murder? Aren't they going against their Christian religion? Doing the exact opposite of what is taught?

aaaaaaaand right back to the "terrorism as golf game" canard.

The question above was about religious motivations. Not volume discounts.

How do you know they're not doing it because they find the murder of innocent life to be morally reprehensible, regardless of what religion, if any, they follow? Do muslims support abortion? Their women can't even expose their faces to any other males except their husbands, but they're not being oppressed? Islam stands in diametric opposition to everything liberals claim to be for, yet it's liberals that continue to defend it and support it. How's that for irony? So do you really not stand against oppression? Are you against women's rights? How do you rationalize supporting a religion that oppresses people?

I haven't posted about "Islam". I've posted about bad logic and hair-on-fire media.
Try to keep up.

You are defending Islam from what you perceive as an attack by the op, you've stated your opinion of this thread many times, attacked the op of the thread for her views. Otherwise, why are you even here? Silly question, I know, you always show up to bloviate, and are typically a waste of time to even converse with.

Wrong. Go ahead, find me a post. Find me a post that says anything about Islam or any other religion.

I came not to defend but to attack. And my target is exactly what it usually is --- bullshit logic. That's got nothing to do with Muslims or Christians or atheists --- it's got to do with posters present, and the bullshit they pass off as "news".

Go ahead -- check me.

 

[Pogo]

Four thousand years huh?



In before the edit...

how many years do you think the islam has existed? muslims claim forever. I said 4000 years, it may be 7000 or 5000, what difference does it make? their history, however long it is, is nothing but war, murder, rape, stoning, pedifilia, and perversion------------------In'ch allah. (if allah wills it)

It "matters" in that it's one more manifestation of the scale of your profound ignorance. Like that 100% of terrorists thing.

The fact that you learned to transliterate inshallah with a French accent obviously wasn't the whole story.

100% of the recent terrorists are muslim. That is a fact.

No, that is complete fabrication. I gave you not one, not two but three different studies that completely obliterate that stupid mass generalization bullshit. I invited you to counter with numbers that prove your "100%" malarkey.

Your response is to adopt the fetal position and go

Now maybe it's a play-fact in the bullshit Pamela Hoft sites you go to looking for evidence of a predetermined conclusion. But not on planet earth.

Islam calls for the violent destruction of all non-believers. That is also a fact. All muslims are not terrorists. That is also a fact.

Odd then that I've worked and lived among Muslims for some 35 years and not a single one has tried to "destroy" me, violently or otherwise. Not one has ever tried to convert me. Not one even brought the topic up unless it was a natural part of the conversation.

It's almost like they were..... people, yanno? Weird. So I look forward to your links demonstrating they're not.

if they are not muslims, what are they? buddists, shintos, druids, mormons, atheists, wickens,
methodists?


I worked in the middle east for 15 years, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait. I have good friends who are muslims. that does not change the fact that it is muslims who are beheading, murdering, raping , and enslaving in the name of islam. Not all of them by any means. Not all Germans were part of the third reich.

What are they? They're political radicals. Just as Rudolph and Roeder and Adkisson and McVeigh and all that crowd were political radicals. The fact that they're Chirstians or Taureans or righthanded or blue-eyed isn't a causal factor. Even when they claim to do what they do in the name of Christianism. That's a crutch. Hiding behind religion always is.

 

[Pogo]

Anti abortion terrorism? All I asked is that you show facts regarding it, numbers, dates, etc... I still have yet to see any summation. Bombing an abortion clinic or shooting an abortion doctor, both of which happened many years ago, not to mention being isolated indicents is where you are being deceitful in even trying to use such a comparison to islamic terrorism.

What do you see as the 'cause' of the terrorism? Let me guess, American foreign policy? And even if it was that, then why claim everything they do in the name of their religion?

To the extent anyone is -- and it's going way on a limb to accept the premise considering the source -- it would most likely be because organized religion provides an emotional rally flag to unite zealots in a common cause, even if said zealots hail from different countries or regions.

Why do all those abortion terrorists do what they do in the name of the religion? Why did the Klan? Same reason: a common glue to corral a mob in mass hysteria.

Same thing this very thread is doing.

Abortion terrorists? How many of those are there? Where are the quotes that they did what they did in the name of God? Where in the Christian Bible does Jesus say it's okay to murder? Aren't they going against their Christian religion? Doing the exact opposite of what is taught?

aaaaaaaand right back to the "terrorism as golf game" canard.

The question above was about religious motivations. Not volume discounts.

How do you know they're not doing it because they find the murder of innocent life to be morally reprehensible, regardless of what religion, if any, they follow? Do muslims support abortion? Their women can't even expose their faces to any other males except their husbands, but they're not being oppressed? Islam stands in diametric opposition to everything liberals claim to be for, yet it's liberals that continue to defend it and support it. How's that for irony? So do you really not stand against oppression? Are you against women's rights? How do you rationalize supporting a religion that oppresses people?

I haven't posted about "Islam". I've posted about bad logic and hair-on-fire media.
Try to keep up.

You are defending Islam from what you perceive as an attack by the op, you've stated your opinion of this thread many times, attacked the op of the thread for her views. Otherwise, why are you even here? Silly question, I know, you always show up to bloviate, and are typically a waste of time to even converse with.

This thread is an attack on all of Islam. It is the same worn out attack we've been hearing for years from the haters,

that Islam by it's alleged nature is fundamentally and irreparably unacceptable.

That is a very distinct and separate argument from the arguments that say some people's interpretations of their religion are unacceptable.

The attack of this thread is to blame the religion itself, not the bad people who claim to be of that religion.

Completely agree. It can't be more obvious.
I mean it's right in the frickin' TITLE.

 

[Pogo]

Really? Can we start killing the innocent Muslims with impunity then?

Can we use gas chambers as an exercise in efficiency?

Do you enjoy looking like an idiot? You want to quote anyone in here, other than yourself, who's even suggested such a thing? I know that's what those of you on the left would love to do with christians, so it does reveal where your thoughts are when you try to ascribe them to others in a pathetic attempt to smear.

I think your character was thoroughly revealed yesterday when you lied about never having heard of anti-abortion terrorism.

The poster above said that it's the religion that's the problem, not just the extremists.

So if the religion is the problem, if the religion is the CAUSE of the terrorism, then we should have the right to destroy the religion itself,

which means destroy all of the practitioners of that religion, who are apparently as much a part of the problem as the extremists?

Is that correct?

Anti abortion terrorism? All I asked is that you show facts regarding it, numbers, dates, etc... I still have yet to see any summation. Bombing an abortion clinic or shooting an abortion doctor, both of which happened many years ago, not to mention being isolated indicents is where you are being deceitful in even trying to use such a comparison to islamic terrorism.

What do you see as the 'cause' of the terrorism? Let me guess, American foreign policy? And even if it was that, then why claim everything they do in the name of their religion?

To the extent anyone is -- and it's going way on a limb to accept the premise considering the source -- it would most likely be because organized religion provides an emotional rally flag to unite zealots in a common cause, even if said zealots hail from different countries or regions.

Why do all those abortion terrorists do what they do in the name of the religion? Why did the Klan? Same reason: a common glue to corral a mob in mass hysteria.

Same thing this very thread is doing.

Abortion terrorists? How many of those are there? Where are the quotes that they did what they did in the name of God? Where in the Christian Bible does Jesus say it's okay to murder? Aren't they going against their Christian religion? Doing the exact opposite of what is taught?

How do you know they're not doing it because they find the murder of innocent life to be morally reprehensible, regardless of what religion, if any, they follow?

Wait, whoa whoa, hold up, I missed this part on the first pass....
Did you just make the case of "when "we" do it it's justified; when "they" do it, it's not"? Indeed you did.

Well that cuts right to the freaking chase.

 

[Kondor3]

Amen...

 

[NYcarbineer]

To the extent anyone is -- and it's going way on a limb to accept the premise considering the source -- it would most likely be because organized religion provides an emotional rally flag to unite zealots in a common cause, even if said zealots hail from different countries or regions.

Why do all those abortion terrorists do what they do in the name of the religion? Why did the Klan? Same reason: a common glue to corral a mob in mass hysteria.

Same thing this very thread is doing.

Abortion terrorists? How many of those are there? Where are the quotes that they did what they did in the name of God? Where in the Christian Bible does Jesus say it's okay to murder? Aren't they going against their Christian religion? Doing the exact opposite of what is taught?

aaaaaaaand right back to the "terrorism as golf game" canard.

The question above was about religious motivations. Not volume discounts.

How do you know they're not doing it because they find the murder of innocent life to be morally reprehensible, regardless of what religion, if any, they follow? Do muslims support abortion? Their women can't even expose their faces to any other males except their husbands, but they're not being oppressed? Islam stands in diametric opposition to everything liberals claim to be for, yet it's liberals that continue to defend it and support it. How's that for irony? So do you really not stand against oppression? Are you against women's rights? How do you rationalize supporting a religion that oppresses people?

I haven't posted about "Islam". I've posted about bad logic and hair-on-fire media.
Try to keep up.

You are defending Islam from what you perceive as an attack by the op, you've stated your opinion of this thread many times, attacked the op of the thread for her views. Otherwise, why are you even here? Silly question, I know, you always show up to bloviate, and are typically a waste of time to even converse with.

This thread is an attack on all of Islam. It is the same worn out attack we've been hearing for years from the haters,

that Islam by it's alleged nature is fundamentally and irreparably unacceptable.

That is a very distinct and separate argument from the arguments that say some people's interpretations of their religion are unacceptable.

The attack of this thread is to blame the religion itself, not the bad people who claim to be of that religion.

Completely agree. It can't be more obvious.
I mean it's right in the frickin' TITLE.

And yet when called on it, they're running away from it.

 

[JoeB131]

not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims.
Anyone disagree? and before you go back to the middle ages. we are talking about today.

Okay- The Unabomber.
Eric Rudolf
Timothy McVeigh
Numerous assholes who shoot abortion doctors.

Geezus, man, you make it too easy sometimes.

 

[JoeB131]

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other than the crusades---------------------what cha got?

as to muslims, we have 4000 years of history of murder, rape, torture, theft------------all in the name of islam.

Again, are you some kind of fucking retard? Islam has only been around for about 1500 years. It is actually the YOUNGEST of the Abrahamic Religions.