The democrat argument? Because normal people have guns, criminals get guns...now it applies to cars too....

[meaner gene]

I am still waiting for you to tell me what your definition of a loaded gun is.

The same as the BATF, and the relevant 18 USC definitions.

 

[Bell Huey]

They have rapid access pistol safes. I have three in various locations.

Why would someone like me, who has no kids living in my home, go to the expense of such a safe? No need for it. When the grandkids visit the pistols are locked up as they are when I leave the house.

 

[BothWings]

They have rapid access pistol safes. I have three in various locations.

Homey don't play that. Under pressure (like someone running after you with a loaded gun maybe even taking shots at you as they go) few people are likely to have steady hands, even the police who have more training than most are often shaking and sweating bullets when taken by surprise. Sure, there's a market for such safes...but they are not practical in a really dire self-defense situation. Maybe they'd be ok for that "bump in the night" that want to go check out....but not if you're taken by surprise. I've known a few people whose doors were kicked right in and had no chance to run to a gun safe and open it. Granted, they weren't murdered but they were robbed at gunpoint and were even roughed up a bit. They were just sitting there on the couch and bam bam CRASH....the thieves were in. I would have to run to another room in my case but I would be armed way faster than having to pull a gun safe out from somewhere and open it with an armed asshole hot on my tail. To expect otherwise is very naive.

 

[Bell Huey]

The same as the BATF, and the relevant 18 USC definitions.

There is no BATF. It is the ATF

Just post YOUR DEFINITION. Why are you afraid? Here is mine:

If I have to do something to the weapon to get a round in the chamber the weapon is not loaded.

If it is semi automatic and there is no round in the chamber, it is not loaded.

If it is my Henry lever action and I have to activate the lever, it is not loaded.

Technically, By my definition, the only loaded weapon I have in my house is the Taurus Judge.

Google it.

 

[BothWings]

Why would someone like me, who has no kids living in my home, go to the expense of such a safe? No need for it. When the grandkids visit the pistols are locked up as they are when I leave the house.

I take one of two or three "duty" guns with me every day when I leave the house. The others would need some serious time consuming ransacking to be found. The rest are locked up.

 

[meaner gene]

This is how responsible preparedness looks.
YMMV.

I'd have to give you a B+
Depending on how secret your secret hiding places are. I remember finding where my parents hid our Christmas presents.

 

[meaner gene]

They have rapid access pistol safes. I have three in various locations.

I would give you an A

 

[Bell Huey]

I take one of two or three "duty" guns with me every day when I leave the house. The others would need some serious time consuming ransacking to be found. The rest are locked up.

My sidearms are locked up When I am not home. I usually carry one.

 

[Crepitus]

Why would someone like me, who has no kids living in my home, go to the expense of such a safe? No need for it. When the grandkids visit the pistols are locked up as they are when I leave the house.

To keep someone from stealing the.

Did you even bother to read the OP?

SMH

 

[meaner gene]

In VA, the penalty for purchasing a gun illegally is 5 years. It should be longer.

What’s your definition of a loaded gun?

I already told you. Same as the BATF and under 18 USC.

Are you dense?

 

[Bell Huey]

I would give you an A

And I asked why someone like me, with no kids in the home, would have to burdened with the cost of owning one.

 

[Bell Huey]

To keep someone from stealing the.

Did you even bother to read the OP?

SMH

So you think I should have my guns locked even when I am home? And go to that expense?

 

[Bell Huey]

I already told you. Same as the BATF and under 18 USC.

Are you dense?

There is no BATF. It is called the ATF now. Been that way for a while.

And I gave you MY definition.

 

[Crepitus]

Homey don't play that. Under pressure (like someone running after you with a loaded gun maybe even taking shots at you as they go) few people are likely to have steady hands, even the police who have more training than most are often shaking and sweating bullets when taken by surprise. Sure, there's a market for such safes...but they are not practical in a really dire self-defense situation. Maybe they'd be ok for that "bump in the night" that want to go check out....but not if you're taken by surprise. I've known a few people whose doors were kicked right in and had no chance to run to a gun safe and open it. Granted, they weren't murdered but they were robbed at gunpoint and were even roughed up a bit. They were just sitting there on the couch and bam bam CRASH....the thieves were in. I would have to run to another room in my case but I would be armed way faster than having to pull a gun safe out from somewhere and open it with an armed asshole hot on my tail. To expect otherwise is very naive.

Dude, who are you, James Bond?

People gonna be running after you shooting?

Quit with the fantasies and spend the money on a pistol safe.

DERP.

 

[meaner gene]

I grew up there. I know what happened.

Yu know what, but you never looked into WHY.

Suspects were largely unaware, or completely indifferent to the harsher penalties. So that had no deterrent effect at all.

 

[Crepitus]

So you think I should have my guns locked even when I am home? And go to that expense?

If it's not on your person lock it up.

Guns are a responsibility. Sometimes there are expenses involved.


Grow up and take care of them.

 

[2aguy]

Certainly. Guns should either be on their person, or locked up. Not left laying around for thieves or children.

If you actually cared about criminals instead of just targeting gun ownera the real solution is a 20 year sentence for stealing a gun......you would end gun crime oner night.

 

[Bell Huey]

If it's not on your person lock it up.

Guns are a responsibility. Sometimes there are expenses involved.


Grow up and take care of them.

You guys would shit a fucking brick if you lived where I did in the Deep South and saw what gun storage was.

Junior, I already told you when I’m not home or the grandkids are there they are locked.

Learn to read,

 

[2aguy]

Yu know what, but you never looked into WHY.

Suspects were largely unaware, or completely indifferent to the harsher penalties. So that had no deterrent effect at all.

When they are sitting in prison for twenty years word would get around the criminal community...stealing guns would end

 

[meaner gene]

There is no BATF. It is the ATF

If you want to bet ANAL,

The agency's name was changed to Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.