The Destructive Effects of Government

[bripat9643]

I noticed the Mail Order Bride From Hell still hasn't addressed the fact most of the Wal-Marts being closed are in the deep south, where they have right to work and no minimum wage.

That's probably because those are the oldest Walmarts. That's where Sam started his business.

 

[bripat9643]

Most would argue that if we are going to have a government, then its legitimate function is to protect life, liberty, and property. Protecting you from a stronger neighbor would fall under this mandate. Robbing you to distribute your money to others would not.

But what if the majority, legislatively, legally, and constitutionally wants to 'rob' you, say,

in the form of taxing those with higher incomes to pay for education and healthcare for lower incomes?

Are you advocating a return to some sort of oligarchical structure where a few people - who agree with you - can reign over the People's voice?

Nope. I'm not advocating for that. I'm saying that if the people do that then they are violating life, liberty, and property. And I don't think people ought to violate the life, liberty, or property of others.

How would government function then if all taxes were voluntary?

Could we have a system of governance in which there is no forced taxation? I'm not sure if we're ready for that yet.

However, it's certainly wrong for The People to take one person's property in order to provide (shitty) education and healthcare to someone else. That much is clear.

So the abolishment of the public education system, where the poor simply go without, and the abolition of socialized healthcare,

where the poor simply go without,

is supposed to make what better for whom?

Your belief that people wouldn't or couldn't educate their children without government is at odds with history. The Confederate states passed laws that made it illegal to teach slaves how to read. That's how difficult it is to prevent people from educating themselves.

 

[bripat9643]

But what if the majority, legislatively, legally, and constitutionally wants to 'rob' you, say,

in the form of taxing those with higher incomes to pay for education and healthcare for lower incomes?

Are you advocating a return to some sort of oligarchical structure where a few people - who agree with you - can reign over the People's voice?

Nope. I'm not advocating for that. I'm saying that if the people do that then they are violating life, liberty, and property. And I don't think people ought to violate the life, liberty, or property of others.

How would government function then if all taxes were voluntary?

Could we have a system of governance in which there is no forced taxation? I'm not sure if we're ready for that yet.

However, it's certainly wrong for The People to take one person's property in order to provide (shitty) education and healthcare to someone else. That much is clear.

So it's not the taking of a person's property you object to, it's the taking of that property for reasons you don't happen to like that you object to.

Nope. It's taking a person's property when you have the option not to.

You're almost a libertarian. If you were consistent you would opposed the taking of property, period.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

So workers dont need protecting from greedy bosses ?

Waitresses, tipped workers sue California Dreaming company

BY JOHN MONK

[email protected]

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COLUMBIA, SC
A federal civil lawsuit brought by two Columbia waitresses alleging minimum wage violations by the company that owns the popular California Dreaming restaurant just off the University of South Carolina campus has been given the provisional go-ahead to proceed as a class action.

An arbitrator who examined the allegations in the lawsuit has determined that the allegations have enough merit to allow more than 1,000 current and former workers at three California Dreaming restaurants in South Carolina to be contacted as potential plaintiffs with claims. The lawsuit still has to be given final approval.

“Notices went out in the last week to approximately 1,300 current and former employees,” said Columbia attorney Todd Ellis, one of three lawyers representing California Dreaming waitresses Brittany Bradley, a past employee, and Tamia Corbitt, a current employee.

Neither CentraArchy Restaurant Management Co., which owns California Dreaming, nor its lawyers responded last week to requests for comment.

Ellis has fought this battle before.

In a similar lawsuit against the South Carolina restaurant company Carolina Ale House Co., the same plaintiffs’ lawyers in 2015 settled a claim resulting in a judgment worth some $3 million for past, current and future workers, according to federal court records.

In an answer to the California Dreaming lawsuit, CentraArchy denied all the allegations and said its “method of compensation was lawful,” that it had paid the plaintiffs all money due them and that the plaintiffs knew about the company’s payment system in advance of being hired.

Potential plaintiffs in the case are all tipped employees – servers, food runners, hosts and hostesses, and kitchen-based service bartenders – employed at California Dreaming restaurants in Columbia, Charleston and Greenville in the past three years. Plaintiffs must have made less than $7.25 an hour to be included.

CentraArchy has about 20 properties in several states, including, in South Carolina, California Dreaming restaurants in North Myrtle Beach and Surfside. Only the Columbia, Charleston and Greenville sites are involved in the lawsuit.

Basically, the lawsuit alleges that California Dreaming management required workers who got tips to participate in an “invalid tip pool” and share tips with kitchen bartenders who have no customer interaction and, as part of the workers’ employment, they are paid less than minimum wage “in violation of the Fair Labor Standards Act.”

California Dreaming only paid its tipped employees $2.13 an hour, plus tips, the lawsuit alleges. According to the lawsuit, it is a violation of federal law to pay tipped employees $2.13 an hour and then force them to share tips with co-workers who do not customarily receive tips.

“Defendant did not permit plaintiffs and other similarly situated employees to retain all tips they received,” the lawsuit said.

According to the order granting provisional class action status, if the plaintiffs win, they will be able to recover unpaid minimum wages and possibly other damages.

For example, a server who worked 100 hours and was paid $21.3 per hour for each hour worked might get $5.12 per hour for each of those 100 hours – $512. The arbitrator in the case could also double the award, according to court records.

The arbitrator in the case is Kris Cato, a certified arbitrator and Columbia lawyer specializing in labor law. Cato will oversee trial-like proceedings and make a final decision in the case. There is no jury.

Besides Ellis, the plaintffs’ lawyers are Jim Griffin and Badge Humphries, all of Columbia.

Among the restaurant’s attorneys are Molly Cherry of Columbia and Shannon Oliver of Atlanta.

According to CentraArchy’s website, its mission statement is: “To operate unique restaurants where our people are able to create a dining experience that exceeds our guests’ expectations and, in so doing, achieve the highest potential in their food service careers.”

The website describes the company’s restaurants as being “the largest volume units of their kind in their respective markets. We believe this is because we offer outstanding food priced modestly for the quality and competently served. Our facilities are also spectacular with several of our restaurants having won design awards. We go to great lengths to ensure that in each restaurant you will be comfortable and feel special.”

In Columbia, the popular California Dreaming restaurant is in an old train station with soaring ceilings off South Assembly Street. In Charleston, the restaurant features a wrap-around deck and bar overlooking the Ashley River.

CentraArchy Restaurant Management Co. is headquartered in Charleston. The privately held family business does not release financial information.


Read more here: Waitresses, tipped workers sue California Dreaming company

 

[Centinel]

So workers dont need protecting from greedy bosses ?

As far as I'm concerned, a voluntary contract between a worker and an employer ought to be nobody's business but theirs.

 

[JoeB131]

That's probably because those are the oldest Walmarts. That's where Sam started his business.

No, those are the ones where WalMart has probalby killed all the local storefronts, so now you have to done get in your pickup truck and drive down to Cooterville to get stuff.

 

[Centinel]

No, those are the ones where WalMart has probalby killed all the local storefronts, so now you have to done get in your pickup truck and drive down to Cooterville to get stuff.

Why didn't all the local storefronts kill walmart?

 

[initforme]

We're talking about Walmart. So they close a few stores...big whoop. Like that is some ki d of travesty.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I noticed the Mail Order Bride From Hell still hasn't addressed the fact most of the Wal-Marts being closed are in the deep south, where they have right to work and no minimum wage.

That's probably because those are the oldest Walmarts. That's where Sam started his business.

The oldest and the smallest. I'm a little surprised the one I went to yesterday isn't on the list...it's half the size of the new stores.

 

[JoeB131]

No, those are the ones where WalMart has probalby killed all the local storefronts, so now you have to done get in your pickup truck and drive down to Cooterville to get stuff.

Why didn't all the local storefronts kill walmart?

Kind of hard to compete when WalMart gets a shitload of tax breaks and government subsidies for hteir workers, isn't it?

 

[bripat9643]

That's probably because those are the oldest Walmarts. That's where Sam started his business.

No, those are the ones where WalMart has probalby killed all the local storefronts, so now you have to done get in your pickup truck and drive down to Cooterville to get stuff.

What makes the South any different in that regard from the rest of the country?

You're obviously just flinging shit to see what sticks.

 

[bripat9643]

No, those are the ones where WalMart has probalby killed all the local storefronts, so now you have to done get in your pickup truck and drive down to Cooterville to get stuff.

Why didn't all the local storefronts kill walmart?

Kind of hard to compete when WalMart gets a shitload of tax breaks and government subsidies for hteir workers, isn't it?

That's what those stupid local governments do. I didn't realize you were opposed to democracy.

 

[JoeB131]

What makes the South any different in that regard from the rest of the country?

You're obviously just flinging shit to see what sticks.

Well, the North, unlike you slack-jawed bubbas in the south, resisted Walmart's shenanigans.

 

[Agit8r]

Sounds like those areas will have demand for the delivery of goods and services, which someone else will be able to fill.

Perhaps Michelle O can collect all of those terrible school lunches that she mandated kids eat....and, instead, threw them in the garbage, ....and she can distribute them to the 400 now-out-of-work former Walmart employees

And the folks who can no longer work at that the Walmarts that Democrats helped to put out of business.

Maybe all Democrat pols should have to read the story of the goose that laid golden eggs, before they legislate.

As noted earlier. The bulk of stores closed are in very conservative states, so obviously--as with every thread you have posted, you didn't do the 43 seconds of research necessary to realize that your premise is 100% false.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sounds like those areas will have demand for the delivery of goods and services, which someone else will be able to fill.

Perhaps Michelle O can collect all of those terrible school lunches that she mandated kids eat....and, instead, threw them in the garbage, ....and she can distribute them to the 400 now-out-of-work former Walmart employees

And the folks who can no longer work at that the Walmarts that Democrats helped to put out of business.

Maybe all Democrat pols should have to read the story of the goose that laid golden eggs, before they legislate.

As noted earlier. The bulk of stores closed are in very conservative states, so obviously--as with every thread you have posted, you didn't do the 43 seconds of research necessary to realize that your premise is 100% false.

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The premise was 'proven' right in the OP.

“This higher city minimum wage eliminated the jobs of the very workers advocates wanted to help,” said James Sherk, a research fellow in labor economics at The Heritage Foundation.

“Given the reality that Wal-Mart operates on razor-thin profit margins (only 2.8 percent last quarter), a 25 percent difference in labor costs for entry-level workers can be the difference between a store that turns a profit and a store that barely breaks even, or loses money,” Perrywrote.
Oakland’s Minimum Wage Is Up, Wal-Mart Is Out




Clean off your specs, an read more carefully next time.


And, to show that there are no hard feelings, some information that may save your life, old timer:
The worst time to have a heart attack is during a game of charades

 

[Agit8r]

Sounds like those areas will have demand for the delivery of goods and services, which someone else will be able to fill.

Perhaps Michelle O can collect all of those terrible school lunches that she mandated kids eat....and, instead, threw them in the garbage, ....and she can distribute them to the 400 now-out-of-work former Walmart employees

And the folks who can no longer work at that the Walmarts that Democrats helped to put out of business.

Maybe all Democrat pols should have to read the story of the goose that laid golden eggs, before they legislate.

As noted earlier. The bulk of stores closed are in very conservative states, so obviously--as with every thread you have posted, you didn't do the 43 seconds of research necessary to realize that your premise is 100% false.

View attachment 61916

The premise was 'proven' right in the OP.

“This higher city minimum wage eliminated the jobs of the very workers advocates wanted to help,” said James Sherk, a research fellow in labor economics at The Heritage Foundation.

“Given the reality that Wal-Mart operates on razor-thin profit margins (only 2.8 percent last quarter), a 25 percent difference in labor costs for entry-level workers can be the difference between a store that turns a profit and a store that barely breaks even, or loses money,” Perrywrote.
Oakland’s Minimum Wage Is Up, Wal-Mart Is Out




Clean off your specs, an read more carefully next time.


And, to show that there are no hard feelings, some information that may save your life, old timer:
The worst time to have a heart attack is during a game of charades

Then what is your explanation for all the stores that closed in the regressive states?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sounds like those areas will have demand for the delivery of goods and services, which someone else will be able to fill.

Perhaps Michelle O can collect all of those terrible school lunches that she mandated kids eat....and, instead, threw them in the garbage, ....and she can distribute them to the 400 now-out-of-work former Walmart employees

And the folks who can no longer work at that the Walmarts that Democrats helped to put out of business.

Maybe all Democrat pols should have to read the story of the goose that laid golden eggs, before they legislate.

As noted earlier. The bulk of stores closed are in very conservative states, so obviously--as with every thread you have posted, you didn't do the 43 seconds of research necessary to realize that your premise is 100% false.

View attachment 61916

The premise was 'proven' right in the OP.

“This higher city minimum wage eliminated the jobs of the very workers advocates wanted to help,” said James Sherk, a research fellow in labor economics at The Heritage Foundation.

“Given the reality that Wal-Mart operates on razor-thin profit margins (only 2.8 percent last quarter), a 25 percent difference in labor costs for entry-level workers can be the difference between a store that turns a profit and a store that barely breaks even, or loses money,” Perrywrote.
Oakland’s Minimum Wage Is Up, Wal-Mart Is Out




Clean off your specs, an read more carefully next time.


And, to show that there are no hard feelings, some information that may save your life, old timer:
The worst time to have a heart attack is during a game of charades

Then what is your explanation for all the stores that closed in the regressive states?

I never offered one.

I'll assume that this post is your attempt at an apology.

If so....accepted.

 

[Agit8r]

Sounds like those areas will have demand for the delivery of goods and services, which someone else will be able to fill.

Perhaps Michelle O can collect all of those terrible school lunches that she mandated kids eat....and, instead, threw them in the garbage, ....and she can distribute them to the 400 now-out-of-work former Walmart employees

And the folks who can no longer work at that the Walmarts that Democrats helped to put out of business.

Maybe all Democrat pols should have to read the story of the goose that laid golden eggs, before they legislate.

As noted earlier. The bulk of stores closed are in very conservative states, so obviously--as with every thread you have posted, you didn't do the 43 seconds of research necessary to realize that your premise is 100% false.

View attachment 61916

The premise was 'proven' right in the OP.

“This higher city minimum wage eliminated the jobs of the very workers advocates wanted to help,” said James Sherk, a research fellow in labor economics at The Heritage Foundation.

“Given the reality that Wal-Mart operates on razor-thin profit margins (only 2.8 percent last quarter), a 25 percent difference in labor costs for entry-level workers can be the difference between a store that turns a profit and a store that barely breaks even, or loses money,” Perrywrote.
Oakland’s Minimum Wage Is Up, Wal-Mart Is Out




Clean off your specs, an read more carefully next time.


And, to show that there are no hard feelings, some information that may save your life, old timer:
The worst time to have a heart attack is during a game of charades

Then what is your explanation for all the stores that closed in the regressive states?

I never offered one.

I'll assume that this post is your attempt at an apology.

If so....accepted.

So you acknowledge that the facts are in conflict with your assertion

 

[PoliticalChic]

Perhaps Michelle O can collect all of those terrible school lunches that she mandated kids eat....and, instead, threw them in the garbage, ....and she can distribute them to the 400 now-out-of-work former Walmart employees

And the folks who can no longer work at that the Walmarts that Democrats helped to put out of business.

Maybe all Democrat pols should have to read the story of the goose that laid golden eggs, before they legislate.

As noted earlier. The bulk of stores closed are in very conservative states, so obviously--as with every thread you have posted, you didn't do the 43 seconds of research necessary to realize that your premise is 100% false.

View attachment 61916

The premise was 'proven' right in the OP.

“This higher city minimum wage eliminated the jobs of the very workers advocates wanted to help,” said James Sherk, a research fellow in labor economics at The Heritage Foundation.

“Given the reality that Wal-Mart operates on razor-thin profit margins (only 2.8 percent last quarter), a 25 percent difference in labor costs for entry-level workers can be the difference between a store that turns a profit and a store that barely breaks even, or loses money,” Perrywrote.
Oakland’s Minimum Wage Is Up, Wal-Mart Is Out




Clean off your specs, an read more carefully next time.


And, to show that there are no hard feelings, some information that may save your life, old timer:
The worst time to have a heart attack is during a game of charades

Then what is your explanation for all the stores that closed in the regressive states?

I never offered one.

I'll assume that this post is your attempt at an apology.

If so....accepted.

So you acknowledge that the facts are in conflict with your assertion
View attachment 61917

When you're in a hole such as the one you dug for yourself....stop digging.


“This higher city minimum wage eliminated the jobs of the very workers advocates wanted to help,” said James Sherk, a research fellow in labor economics at The Heritage Foundation.

“Given the reality that Wal-Mart operates on razor-thin profit margins (only 2.8 percent last quarter), a 25 percent difference in labor costs for entry-level workers can be the difference between a store that turns a profit and a store that barely breaks even, or loses money,” Perrywrote.
Oakland’s Minimum Wage Is Up, Wal-Mart Is Out


I just proved the import of the OP.

If you'd like a different assertion to prove....start a thread.


The ineluctable conclusion is that Democrat pols cost 400 workers their jobs by meddling where they don't belong.
It is a well trod path by Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives.....none of whom believe in the free market.

 

[Wry Catcher]

As noted earlier. The bulk of stores closed are in very conservative states, so obviously--as with every thread you have posted, you didn't do the 43 seconds of research necessary to realize that your premise is 100% false.

View attachment 61916

The premise was 'proven' right in the OP.

“This higher city minimum wage eliminated the jobs of the very workers advocates wanted to help,” said James Sherk, a research fellow in labor economics at The Heritage Foundation.

“Given the reality that Wal-Mart operates on razor-thin profit margins (only 2.8 percent last quarter), a 25 percent difference in labor costs for entry-level workers can be the difference between a store that turns a profit and a store that barely breaks even, or loses money,” Perrywrote.
Oakland’s Minimum Wage Is Up, Wal-Mart Is Out




Clean off your specs, an read more carefully next time.


And, to show that there are no hard feelings, some information that may save your life, old timer:
The worst time to have a heart attack is during a game of charades

Then what is your explanation for all the stores that closed in the regressive states?

I never offered one.

I'll assume that this post is your attempt at an apology.

If so....accepted.

So you acknowledge that the facts are in conflict with your assertion
View attachment 61917

When you're in a hole such as the one you dug for yourself....stop digging.


“This higher city minimum wage eliminated the jobs of the very workers advocates wanted to help,” said James Sherk, a research fellow in labor economics at The Heritage Foundation.

“Given the reality that Wal-Mart operates on razor-thin profit margins (only 2.8 percent last quarter), a 25 percent difference in labor costs for entry-level workers can be the difference between a store that turns a profit and a store that barely breaks even, or loses money,” Perrywrote.
Oakland’s Minimum Wage Is Up, Wal-Mart Is Out


I just proved the import of the OP.

If you'd like a different assertion to prove....start a thread.


The ineluctable conclusion is that Democrat pols cost 400 workers their jobs by meddling where they don't belong.
It is a well trod path by Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives.....none of whom believe in the free market.

A narcissist is someone who actually believes the picture of them with their hand in the cookie jar is a fiction, and that everyone else is wrong and a thousand words are better than one picture.