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that's why we dems had a 500 billion dollar surplus when bush got elected cause we didn't pay as we go ....So then you opposed the ACA as that requires, by law, for everyone to purchase a product from a corporation. Likely the largest corporate payoff I have ever seen. Wait, nope. You support that travesty. But at least you opposed bailouts, right? I mean, we had TRILLIONS that were given to the banks on loans and BILLIONS that were simply handed to the car companies for free. Oh, wait. Wrong again. But at least you have been vocally against the corporate payoffs of this administration in defunct green energy companies that should never have been sent money in the first place. Wait. Wrong again.
The idea that the democrats do not support taxpayers being corporate slaves is utter bullshit. It is not that they are no better than the republicans. That is false. They perfected the unholy marriage of company and government. The one real difference between republicans and democrats in this arena is that democrats like to mandate monopolies for their favored companies. It is pathetic.
PAYGO was fun, wasnt it. It was a blast watching the dems promise to pay for everything as we went and then summarily exempt almost all funding from paygos rules. Thats another thing the democrats are good at, making rules and then completely ignoring them.
there was no surplus, idiot. Bubba juggled the books. Check it out.
you're so damn stupid you missed his point entirely. here it is again:
"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." In this context the idiot is YOU. you dumb ass ignorant libtardian fuckhead.
struck a nerve again did I, FUCKHEAD ???? can't help you're terminally stupid ... in every post, so far, you you got your head handed to you ... you speak about things you know nothing about ... then you get pissed when we point out your stupidity ... I mean you're sooooooooooooooooooooooooo easy
see my sig, it applies to you quite well. You are not worthy of my typing skills, you could very likely be the next on my ignore list. this forum is intended for intelligent discussion of the issues. You are nothing but a left wing talking point repeater. Your red rep points are proof of your uselessness.
another moron over abortion ...they just can't seem to say out of womans business .... they think they have a right to tell a woman what to do with their vagina's
But its OK with you if they murder the child that is growing in it? Too bad your mother was not pro-choice.
yes it ok for them to murder the unborn fetus that's growing inside of them ...its their choice to make, not yours .... as I said they just can't seem to say out of womans business .... they think they have a right to tell a woman what to do with their vagina's, they don't!!!
NO ONE has proposed taking away anyone's right to bear arms. That is typical right wing bullshit.
I like how with the left you say any amount of gun regulation is fine because government just needs to maintain reasonable policies regarding our ability to own guns.
But then any regulation of abortion at all, even partial birth or parental consent for minors is unacceptable because you don't trust government to maintain any reasonable policy and it's a slippery slope to banning abortion.
No. It IS really that bad. Look around you; the reality here is blatantly obvious even within this very thread. The answer is not capitulation though. That is not where we are at. The answer is taking away the power from the two power brokers in Washington. The real sad fact of the matter is that we, the people, have the ULTIMATE power. We can remove 100 percent of the politicians in government in 6 short years. We can obliterate their lock on government in 2. We have the power to change Washington as we see fit. The problem is that too many look at the situation in the way that you just outlined. They look at the 2 parties and think that they need to keep fighting for their side because the other side is unacceptable. That ignores the fact that they are both beyond fixing. They need to be replaced, flat out. Nothing else will do. As to if that can happen from within each party or has to happen from without can be a matter of debate but it is clear to me that they need to go. Just because the power blocks of today are completely lost does not mean that all is lost or that we need to accept serfdom. The sooner and more of us that come to the realization that the parties no longer represent our interest, the sooner we can take care of the mess in general.Republican W came in to fix Slick Willy's spending orgy and then spent us into the ground, including adding a prescription drug welfare benefit to greatly expand Medicare and he raised Social Security taxes through the roof.
But W was getting us into all these military conflicts and Obama came in to fix that, so he finished Iraq according to W's timeline, expanded Afghanistan and has gotten us into more wars like Libya and now he's trying to get us into Syria.
I can't remember, what's the difference between both your pathetic parties again?
What's funnier is how you tell me I'm throwing my vote away by not voting for either of you. When you figure out how you're different, let me know.
The difference between the two parties is which of your rights they want to remove first. Their goal is the same... control of the masses. The difference is how they get there.
Immie
If its really that bad then we all need to just concede defeat and declare ourselves government serfs.
Personally I am not ready to concede. we can still take this country back from the marxist collectivists, but its not going to be easy, when half of the population is sucking the govt tit its hard to get them to think.
that's why we dems had a 500 billion dollar surplus when bush got elected cause we didn't pay as we go ....Liberals don't support hooking up corporations to the taxpayer's tit. THAT is exactly what Medicare D is. I still recall Ted Kennedy arguing on the floor of the Senate that the bill should allow negotiating drug prices like the Veterans Administration. But Bush FORBID it.
Liberals believe in PAYING FOR what they spend. Research PAYGO, then see how many Republicans voted for it.
So then you opposed the ACA as that requires, by law, for everyone to purchase a product from a corporation. Likely the largest corporate payoff I have ever seen. Wait, nope. You support that travesty. But at least you opposed bailouts, right? I mean, we had TRILLIONS that were given to the banks on loans and BILLIONS that were simply handed to the car companies for free. Oh, wait. Wrong again. But at least you have been vocally against the corporate payoffs of this administration in defunct green energy companies that should never have been sent money in the first place. Wait. Wrong again.
The idea that the democrats do not support taxpayers being corporate slaves is utter bullshit. It is not that they are no better than the republicans. That is false. They perfected the unholy marriage of company and government. The one real difference between republicans and democrats in this arena is that democrats like to mandate monopolies for their favored companies. It is pathetic.
PAYGO was fun, wasnt it. It was a blast watching the dems promise to pay for everything as we went and then summarily exempt almost all funding from paygos rules. Thats another thing the democrats are good at, making rules and then completely ignoring them.
Excellent points, but Clinton spending vs Bush spending? Here's an interesting article:
Articles: A Balanced Approach: Tax like Bush, Spend like Clinton
That was a point that the OP seemed to be supporting. Bush can in to fix the spending and then proceeded to fix it by spending more than Clinton ever dreamed. The left here should be supportive of Bush, he followed all their standard plugs expanded spending, entitlements and government in general. Of course, they ARE supportive of Bush policies now that they are Obamas policies but that is another issue altogether
By the way, it is rather funny to see the Medicare expansion complained about here by the dems. The height of hypocrisy.
I didn't post that article to contradict the OP, I just felt it would expand on it and show that Clinton actually did spend less than Bush. I agree about some people on "the Left" with regard to "expanded spending, entitlements and government in general" , but that's certainly not me, though I would rather see the money invested in America instead of invested in "nation building" and wars abroad.
I think the "Medicare expansion" issue when bought up by someone like me, would be to try to demonstrate that though some republicans and conservatives can talk a good game about "fiscal responsibility", they too have their spending orgies on things that they approve of.
NO ONE has proposed taking away anyone's right to bear arms. That is typical right wing bullshit.
I like how with the left you say any amount of gun regulation is fine because government just needs to maintain reasonable policies regarding our ability to own guns.
But then any regulation of abortion at all, even partial birth or parental consent for minors is unacceptable because you don't trust government to maintain any reasonable policy and it's a slippery slope to banning abortion.
I didn't say that, YOU did.
Universal background checks, a no fucking brainer. But you right wingers have no brains.
NO ONE has proposed taking away anyone's right to bear arms. That is typical right wing bullshit.
I like how with the left you say any amount of gun regulation is fine because government just needs to maintain reasonable policies regarding our ability to own guns.
But then any regulation of abortion at all, even partial birth or parental consent for minors is unacceptable because you don't trust government to maintain any reasonable policy and it's a slippery slope to banning abortion.
I didn't say that, YOU did.
Universal background checks, a no fucking brainer. But you right wingers have no brains.
The difference between republicans and democrats? Republicans are better in bed. I hope this clears up your confusion.
playing with themselves you would be right ... you see the only piece of ass republicans ever get is when the wipe their butt and their finger breaks through, ooooooooooooooooooooooooooor they pay for it ...
I like how with the left you say any amount of gun regulation is fine because government just needs to maintain reasonable policies regarding our ability to own guns.
But then any regulation of abortion at all, even partial birth or parental consent for minors is unacceptable because you don't trust government to maintain any reasonable policy and it's a slippery slope to banning abortion.
I didn't say that, YOU did.
Universal background checks, a no fucking brainer. But you right wingers have no brains.
And late term abortion regulations are a fucking no brainier but then again; liberals have no brain
OP- the GOP is incompetentent, greedy, and lying bastids DUH...The Tea Party, Libertarians, Constitutionalists, classical liberals are all brainwashed fools, part of the GOP, and a disaster and a disgrace.
Republican W came in to fix Slick Willy's spending orgy and then spent us into the ground, including adding a prescription drug welfare benefit to greatly expand Medicare and he raised Social Security taxes through the roof.
But W was getting us into all these military conflicts and Obama came in to fix that, so he finished Iraq according to W's timeline, expanded Afghanistan and has gotten us into more wars like Libya and now he's trying to get us into Syria.
I can't remember, what's the difference between both your pathetic parties again?
What's funnier is how you tell me I'm throwing my vote away by not voting for either of you. When you figure out how you're different, let me know.
For one, Republicans are 90% white and based mostly in the Confederate South. Democrats are "everyone else".
Libya wasn't our war. And the people of Libya thanked Obama for the help he gave.
The Iraqi's threw shoes at Bush.
Clinton hardly had a spending orgy when he left Bush a surplus. Or would have, but Bush and the Republicans made sure that never happened.
You don't sound very bright to me. Perhaps you should do a little research? You might benefit from it.
I can't remember, what's the difference between both your pathetic parties again?
There is never going to be a massive difference between Centre-Left and Centre-Right -all the more reason why the endless obsession on this board with socialism is so funny.
Republican W came in to fix Slick Willy's spending orgy and then spent us into the ground, including adding a prescription drug welfare benefit to greatly expand Medicare and he raised Social Security taxes through the roof.
But W was getting us into all these military conflicts and Obama came in to fix that, so he finished Iraq according to W's timeline, expanded Afghanistan and has gotten us into more wars like Libya and now he's trying to get us into Syria.
I can't remember, what's the difference between both your pathetic parties again?
What's funnier is how you tell me I'm throwing my vote away by not voting for either of you. When you figure out how you're different, let me know.
seems you're a tad bit deranged ...
now for the difference ...
republicans will try their best to take every dime you have ... they will steel your retirement... they will take your health care away from you .... they will go war only to serve their corporate bosses needs ... while telling you this is the patriotic thing to do ... and lie about why you are going to war ....
democrats will make sure republicans give the money back they stole from you forcing them republicans to be fair .... Dems will give you a health care plan that doesn't cost you through the nose ... and dems will only go to war when evil is really challenging your way of life and not lie to you about it ...
Republican W came in to fix Slick Willy's spending orgy and then spent us into the ground, including adding a prescription drug welfare benefit to greatly expand Medicare and he raised Social Security taxes through the roof.
But W was getting us into all these military conflicts and Obama came in to fix that, so he finished Iraq according to W's timeline, expanded Afghanistan and has gotten us into more wars like Libya and now he's trying to get us into Syria.
I can't remember, what's the difference between both your pathetic parties again?
What's funnier is how you tell me I'm throwing my vote away by not voting for either of you. When you figure out how you're different, let me know.
One wants to take away your abortion rights and the other wants to take away you right to bear arms
NO ONE has proposed taking away anyone's right to bear arms. That is typical right wing bullshit.
you mean like out here in California?.........Excellent points, but Clinton spending vs Bush spending? Here's an interesting article:
Articles: A Balanced Approach: Tax like Bush, Spend like Clinton
That was a point that the OP seemed to be supporting. Bush can in to fix the spending and then proceeded to fix it by spending more than Clinton ever dreamed. The left here should be supportive of Bush, he followed all their standard plugs expanded spending, entitlements and government in general. Of course, they ARE supportive of Bush policies now that they are Obamas policies but that is another issue altogether
By the way, it is rather funny to see the Medicare expansion complained about here by the dems. The height of hypocrisy.
Liberals don't support hooking up corporations to the taxpayer's tit. THAT is exactly what Medicare D is. I still recall Ted Kennedy arguing on the floor of the Senate that the bill should allow negotiating drug prices like the Veterans Administration. But Bush FORBID it.
Liberals believe in PAYING FOR what they spend. Research PAYGO, then see how many Republicans voted for it.
People are slowly coming to realize that the Republican Party is every bit as evil and Statist as the Dems
We had Dubya and a Republican Congress and instead of moving toward free enterprise and liberty we got Democrat solutions and then a successful terrorist attack just to keep us distracted.
I didnt want to believe it, but its fairly obvious that there's no way a bunch of sheepfuckers living in caves in Pashtun planned and executed 911 without a HUGE assist from our government. We were coming into an era of declining Federal spending, peace and prosperity and Voila we're off to war against some vague, faraway enemy
The Democrats have been body snatched by the Communists and want nothing less than to Detroitfy the entire USA
