The Electoral College flaunting the will of the people never ends well!

[owebo]

So to sum up this thread...

No one even tried to claim Harrison and Hayes were good Presidents.

The thread has been, "Well, Bush didn't personally fuck up everything fucked up that happened on his watch." Mostly 9/11.

Trump won....eat shit democrats....elections have consequences....

 

[Oldstyle]

We are hearing a lot of smoke from the Right Wing about the sanctity of the Electoral College, and how the Founders truly understood that the Will of the People could not be trusted.

Okay, so let's look at that. Let's look at the three times that someone became President because they won the electoral College while losing the Popular Vote.

1876- Rutherford B. Hayes. Won the electoral college because a commission awarded several states to him AFTER he promised to withdraw the remaining troops from the South and ended Reconstruction. As a result, the South was able to roll back the rights of African Americans with impunity and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. Clearly one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.

1888 - Benjamin Harrison- Made good on a promise to pay lifetime benefits to Civil War Veterans, giving America its first "Billion Dollar Budget". Gave us a recession in 1890 that lead to the Panic of 1893 right before he left office,

2000 - George W. Bush - Ignored warnings of an imminent terror attack,giving us the worst terror incident in history. Went to war on a lie, killing 5000 Americans and a million Iraqis. Fumbled the response to a major hurricane, rendering a major city uninhabitable. And, oh, yes, gave us the worst recession in 80 years by letting his Wall Street Cronies run amok. easily the worst president ever.

So don't worry, guys. This time will be different! I'm sure the Game Show Host who kept a copy of Hitler's speeches next to his bed will do just fine. No, really.

Don't look now, Joey but if the "Game Show Host" does succeed...you progressives may very well lose the blue collar vote for the next few decades! If he is able to fix things in the inner cities you may very well lose the black and Hispanic vote as well! Especially if he does so while being resisted at every step by liberal Democrats. Just saying...

 

[BluesLegend]

I hope the Hillary electors realize the damage democrats have caused to our republic and vote Trump!

I hope they realize the damage Hillary did to the Democratic party. Not often mentioned but she likely cost them the Senate. She did cost them the White House and 2 to 4 SCOTUS nominations.

Its sad, the once mighty Democratic party has fallen on hard times. Liberals took over the party, they abandoned the middle class in favor of whacky liberal jobs killing policies and destroyed the party from within. Its not Trump's fault or the GOP's fault or the voters fault, its the libs fault.

 

[JoeB131]

Don't look now, Joey but if the "Game Show Host" does succeed...you progressives may very well lose the blue collar vote for the next few decades! If he is able to fix things in the inner cities you may very well lose the black and Hispanic vote as well! Especially if he does so while being resisted at every step by liberal Democrats. Just saying...

I'm not really worried about him "succeeding"... mostly because he doesn't understand the problem.

Now, while I do find it amusing to watch you guys who were all for free trade before Trump now hate it, the real problem is that we don't have the infrastructure or education to support bringing back the manufacturing jobs that disappeared decades ago.

Trump thinks he can bully multi-national corporations the way he bullies his employees. The problem with bullies is sooner or later, someone punches them in the face.

Those Blue Collar workers are going to figure out, those jobs aren't coming back. If they are, they'll be done by a machine, and if you don't have the education to operate a machine, you aren't getting that job.

YOu see, the real problem is, the economy right now is probably as good as it's going to get short of the long term investment I mentioned.

 

[JoeB131]

I hope they realize the damage Hillary did to the Democratic party. Not often mentioned but she likely cost them the Senate. She did cost them the White House and 2 to 4 SCOTUS nominations.

Actually, she probably cost them one. No SCOTUS justice is going to retire and let Trump name his or her replacement.

 

[danielpalos]

We are hearing a lot of smoke from the Right Wing about the sanctity of the Electoral College, and how the Founders truly understood that the Will of the People could not be trusted.

Okay, so let's look at that. Let's look at the three times that someone became President because they won the electoral College while losing the Popular Vote.

1876- Rutherford B. Hayes. Won the electoral college because a commission awarded several states to him AFTER he promised to withdraw the remaining troops from the South and ended Reconstruction. As a result, the South was able to roll back the rights of African Americans with impunity and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. Clearly one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.

1888 - Benjamin Harrison- Made good on a promise to pay lifetime benefits to Civil War Veterans, giving America its first "Billion Dollar Budget". Gave us a recession in 1890 that lead to the Panic of 1893 right before he left office,

2000 - George W. Bush - Ignored warnings of an imminent terror attack,giving us the worst terror incident in history. Went to war on a lie, killing 5000 Americans and a million Iraqis. Fumbled the response to a major hurricane, rendering a major city uninhabitable. And, oh, yes, gave us the worst recession in 80 years by letting his Wall Street Cronies run amok. easily the worst president ever.

So don't worry, guys. This time will be different! I'm sure the Game Show Host who kept a copy of Hitler's speeches next to his bed will do just fine. No, really.

it is what we didn't get, that matters.

 

[JoeB131]

it is what we didn't get, that matters.

Well, let's take a look at that.

If Al Gore became president,do you really think we'd have gotten the policies that caused the Great Recession or the Iraq War?

If Tilden had become president, do you really think we'd have given up on reconstruction?

The only argument you could make is that since Harrison was preceded and followed by Grover Cleveland in the only non-consecutive presidential terms, we did get the alternative.

 

[Oldstyle]

I hope they realize the damage Hillary did to the Democratic party. Not often mentioned but she likely cost them the Senate. She did cost them the White House and 2 to 4 SCOTUS nominations.

Actually, she probably cost them one. No SCOTUS justice is going to retire and let Trump name his or her replacement.

Ah, Justice Scalia didn't retire...he died suddenly. In case you hadn't noticed there are some elderly liberal Justices on the Court right now who could die just as suddenly.

 

[Oldstyle]

it is what we didn't get, that matters.

Well, let's take a look at that.

If Al Gore became president,do you really think we'd have gotten the policies that caused the Great Recession or the Iraq War?

If Tilden had become president, do you really think we'd have given up on reconstruction?

The only argument you could make is that since Harrison was preceded and followed by Grover Cleveland in the only non-consecutive presidential terms, we did get the alternative.

If Al Gore became President we might have had ISIS ten years earlier. Odds are we never would have gotten Osama bin Laden because that came about because of intel gathered with water boarding which Gore might not have allowed. If Gore were President you think the housing bubble collapse wouldn't have happened? Nothing like wearing partisan "blinders" Joey!

 

[Bob Blaylock]

There was another terrorist attack on the World Trade Center, by those associated with the perpetrators of the 9/11 attack, in 1993….

Actually, it's kind of a stretch to say that the guys responsible for the 1993 attack were the same bunch, unless you are a racist asshole who thinks Muslims are the Borg, and they have a hive mind or something.

No need to respond to anything else. No need, even to respond to this. I'll just let this sparkling gem of your idiocy stand here, and speak for itself.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

We are hearing a lot of smoke from the Right Wing about the sanctity of the Electoral College, and how the Founders truly understood that the Will of the People could not be trusted.

Okay, so let's look at that. Let's look at the three times that someone became President because they won the electoral College while losing the Popular Vote.

1876- Rutherford B. Hayes. Won the electoral college because a commission awarded several states to him AFTER he promised to withdraw the remaining troops from the South and ended Reconstruction. As a result, the South was able to roll back the rights of African Americans with impunity and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. Clearly one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.

1888 - Benjamin Harrison- Made good on a promise to pay lifetime benefits to Civil War Veterans, giving America its first "Billion Dollar Budget". Gave us a recession in 1890 that lead to the Panic of 1893 right before he left office,

2000 - George W. Bush - Ignored warnings of an imminent terror attack,giving us the worst terror incident in history. Went to war on a lie, killing 5000 Americans and a million Iraqis. Fumbled the response to a major hurricane, rendering a major city uninhabitable. And, oh, yes, gave us the worst recession in 80 years by letting his Wall Street Cronies run amok. easily the worst president ever.

So don't worry, guys. This time will be different! I'm sure the Game Show Host who kept a copy of Hitler's speeches next to his bed will do just fine. No, really.

There was no good choice in this election. In my opinion, Hillary is more of a neo-con than Trump, but I guess we'll see. It was simply a matter of picking which poison you'd rather have.

 

[danielpalos]

it is what we didn't get, that matters.

Well, let's take a look at that.

If Al Gore became president,do you really think we'd have gotten the policies that caused the Great Recession or the Iraq War?

If Tilden had become president, do you really think we'd have given up on reconstruction?

The only argument you could make is that since Harrison was preceded and followed by Grover Cleveland in the only non-consecutive presidential terms, we did get the alternative.

politicians know how to play the system as well as any other public welfare recipients.

 

[HenryBHough]

And Trump was against the Electoral College, until it gave him the Presidency.

So true!

Just as you liberals were wetting yourself in glee when your (once) New Messiah started legislating with His pen and His phone. But now that a New president has pen and phone at hand you suddenly are against that.

What goes around HAS come around. Get your taxes in order, kiddies, cause President Trump will have the same IRS at his disposal as did Obumbles. Oh, and we finally get to remove the quotations marks from "Justice" Department.

I feel your pain and it tickles!

 

[blackhawk]

The people on the left still going on about the election result remind me of Japanese soldiers they would find still in jungle on islands in the pacific years after WW2 was over because they couldn't accept the fact Japan lost the war.

 

[Onyx]

Popular vote isn't the will of the people. If 'the people' are to be treated as a collective, then their will would constitute each individual voice that composes the collective.

 

[bripat9643]

We are hearing a lot of smoke from the Right Wing about the sanctity of the Electoral College, and how the Founders truly understood that the Will of the People could not be trusted.

Okay, so let's look at that. Let's look at the three times that someone became President because they won the electoral College while losing the Popular Vote.

1876- Rutherford B. Hayes. Won the electoral college because a commission awarded several states to him AFTER he promised to withdraw the remaining troops from the South and ended Reconstruction. As a result, the South was able to roll back the rights of African Americans with impunity and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. Clearly one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.

1888 - Benjamin Harrison- Made good on a promise to pay lifetime benefits to Civil War Veterans, giving America its first "Billion Dollar Budget". Gave us a recession in 1890 that lead to the Panic of 1893 right before he left office,

2000 - George W. Bush - Ignored warnings of an imminent terror attack,giving us the worst terror incident in history. Went to war on a lie, killing 5000 Americans and a million Iraqis. Fumbled the response to a major hurricane, rendering a major city uninhabitable. And, oh, yes, gave us the worst recession in 80 years by letting his Wall Street Cronies run amok. easily the worst president ever.

So don't worry, guys. This time will be different! I'm sure the Game Show Host who kept a copy of Hitler's speeches next to his bed will do just fine. No, really.

If they didn't vote for the people they were selected to vote for, they are flaunting the will of the people.

It's sad that you reject the Constitution.

 

[bripat9643]

The people on the left still going on about the election result remind me of Japanese soldiers they would find still in jungle on islands in the pacific years after WW2 was over because they couldn't accept the fact Japan lost the war.

Exactly!

They are like Saddam dead enders fighting on to the bitter end.

 

[OKTexas]

We are hearing a lot of smoke from the Right Wing about the sanctity of the Electoral College, and how the Founders truly understood that the Will of the People could not be trusted.

Okay, so let's look at that. Let's look at the three times that someone became President because they won the electoral College while losing the Popular Vote.

1876- Rutherford B. Hayes. Won the electoral college because a commission awarded several states to him AFTER he promised to withdraw the remaining troops from the South and ended Reconstruction. As a result, the South was able to roll back the rights of African Americans with impunity and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. Clearly one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.

1888 - Benjamin Harrison- Made good on a promise to pay lifetime benefits to Civil War Veterans, giving America its first "Billion Dollar Budget". Gave us a recession in 1890 that lead to the Panic of 1893 right before he left office,

2000 - George W. Bush - Ignored warnings of an imminent terror attack,giving us the worst terror incident in history. Went to war on a lie, killing 5000 Americans and a million Iraqis. Fumbled the response to a major hurricane, rendering a major city uninhabitable. And, oh, yes, gave us the worst recession in 80 years by letting his Wall Street Cronies run amok. easily the worst president ever.

So don't worry, guys. This time will be different! I'm sure the Game Show Host who kept a copy of Hitler's speeches next to his bed will do just fine. No, really.

Trump won 2/3rds of the States, he will be president, deal with it. The electors don't have the constitutional authority not to vote the way their States direct.

FindLaw's United States Supreme Court case and opinions.

 

[eagle7_31]

We are hearing a lot of smoke from the Right Wing about the sanctity of the Electoral College, and how the Founders truly understood that the Will of the People could not be trusted.

Okay, so let's look at that. Let's look at the three times that someone became President because they won the electoral College while losing the Popular Vote.

1876- Rutherford B. Hayes. Won the electoral college because a commission awarded several states to him AFTER he promised to withdraw the remaining troops from the South and ended Reconstruction. As a result, the South was able to roll back the rights of African Americans with impunity and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. Clearly one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.

1888 - Benjamin Harrison- Made good on a promise to pay lifetime benefits to Civil War Veterans, giving America its first "Billion Dollar Budget". Gave us a recession in 1890 that lead to the Panic of 1893 right before he left office,

2000 - George W. Bush - Ignored warnings of an imminent terror attack,giving us the worst terror incident in history. Went to war on a lie, killing 5000 Americans and a million Iraqis. Fumbled the response to a major hurricane, rendering a major city uninhabitable. And, oh, yes, gave us the worst recession in 80 years by letting his Wall Street Cronies run amok. easily the worst president ever.

So don't worry, guys. This time will be different! I'm sure the Game Show Host who kept a copy of Hitler's speeches next to his bed will do just fine. No, really.

And if the results were reversed you nd your ilk would have no problem with the EC. Keeping copies of Hitler's speeches???? No wonder left wingers are having a melt down making lying statements like that.

 

[Dr Grump]

To truly understand the will of the people, look at the election map. The Democrat areas are narrowly defined at the coasts. The People who populate this country will never agree to have their voices silenced and be ruled by the congested cities along the coast.

When democrats are a national party again they can talk about the will of the people.

This is such a BS statement. the People who 'populate' your country live mainly in the city. Fact. So 100 people who live in seven counties covering 100,000 square miles in Shitstain Montana make the map look nice and red. Is this the level of your thinking? Is this what it has gotten down to? More red on a map gives you an impression that it represents more people? You're an idiot if you think that.