The Electoral College flaunting the will of the people never ends well!

[hadit]

To truly understand the will of the people, look at the election map. The Democrat areas are narrowly defined at the coasts. The People who populate this country will never agree to have their voices silenced and be ruled by the congested cities along the coast.

When democrats are a national party again they can talk about the will of the people.

When you win the national vote by 3 million, you are a national party.

The popular vote doesn't count when unpopular things that democrats champion are on the ballot. Then it's "the will of the people be damned".

 

[hadit]

Not that the rest of your post is much better, but this particular claim is so ridiculously easy to respond to.

Mr. Bush wasn't even inaugurated until 2001. He barely had time to settle into the role when the 9/11 attacks happened.

Okay... let's look at that. on August 6, 2001, A month before the Attack, he got a breifing from the CIA that said, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack US", that SPECIFICALLY mentioned hijacking airplanes as a possible scheme Al Qaeda might try.

Given that, what would have been an appropriate response that would have actually prevented 9/11? Be specific and keep in mind that at the time, that's the ONLY info you have. You have no idea if they are actually going to do it, and if they are, when or where or what flights they might target. Go.

 

[hadit]

There was no good choice in this election. In my opinion, Hillary is more of a neo-con than Trump, but I guess we'll see. It was simply a matter of picking which poison you'd rather have.

You see, there was a big difference. Hillary would have been balanced by a Republican Congress that would have put a check on anything really stupid that she might want to do.

Trump is going to have a cowardly republican congress that will live in terror that his Alt-Right Brownshirts are going to Primary them in 2018 if they actually take a stand against something crazy or stupid.

You see, the real story of 2016 is how a once great political party was reduced to a quivering mound of jelly by a racist game show host.

Yeah, the democrats really took it in the shorts, didn't they?

 

[hadit]

Federalism as per Constituon protects the rights of the states. Sorry we don't live in some fucked up socialist state with a central authority that controls everything.

So it's another, "We've always done it this way, which has never gotten good results, so let's keep doing it this way?"

Is this your argument?

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List of United States presidential elections by Electoral College margin - Wikipedia

Wasn't talking about the distortions of the EC, which even when it validates the will of the people (the only thing that counts in a free society) tends to mislead.

Point was, Obama got 10 million more votes than John McCain. It was a complete repudiation of Bush-43 and his incompetence and his war.

But Dog Style thinks we should have kept fighting that war because, um, yeah, that'll show them.

Why didn't the will of the people (the only thing that counts in a free society, as you say) count when it came to gay marriage?

 

[Crixus]

Federalism as per Constituon protects the rights of the states. Sorry we don't live in some fucked up socialist state with a central authority that controls everything.

So it's another, "We've always done it this way, which has never gotten good results, so let's keep doing it this way?"

Is this your argument?

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List of United States presidential elections by Electoral College margin - Wikipedia

Wasn't talking about the distortions of the EC, which even when it validates the will of the people (the only thing that counts in a free society) tends to mislead.

Point was, Obama got 10 million more votes than John McCain. It was a complete repudiation of Bush-43 and his incompetence and his war.

But Dog Style thinks we should have kept fighting that war because, um, yeah, that'll show them.

Why didn't the will of the people (the only thing that counts in a free society, as you say) count when it came to gay marriage?

You asking a one or two (depending on who Joe is at the time)trick pony. Joe is unhappy and has to piss on something or try and somehow point out how stupid the public is to try and feel better about him self.

 

[Cellblock2429]

We are hearing a lot of smoke from the Right Wing about the sanctity of the Electoral College, and how the Founders truly understood that the Will of the People could not be trusted.

Okay, so let's look at that. Let's look at the three times that someone became President because they won the electoral College while losing the Popular Vote.

1876- Rutherford B. Hayes. Won the electoral college because a commission awarded several states to him AFTER he promised to withdraw the remaining troops from the South and ended Reconstruction. As a result, the South was able to roll back the rights of African Americans with impunity and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. Clearly one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.

1888 - Benjamin Harrison- Made good on a promise to pay lifetime benefits to Civil War Veterans, giving America its first "Billion Dollar Budget". Gave us a recession in 1890 that lead to the Panic of 1893 right before he left office,

2000 - George W. Bush - Ignored warnings of an imminent terror attack,giving us the worst terror incident in history. Went to war on a lie, killing 5000 Americans and a million Iraqis. Fumbled the response to a major hurricane, rendering a major city uninhabitable. And, oh, yes, gave us the worst recession in 80 years by letting his Wall Street Cronies run amok. easily the worst president ever.

So don't worry, guys. This time will be different! I'm sure the Game Show Host who kept a copy of Hitler's speeches next to his bed will do just fine. No, really.

I love the sound of LIbtard Moonbats barking at the moon. BWHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Cellblock2429]

To truly understand the will of the people, look at the election map. The Democrat areas are narrowly defined at the coasts. The People who populate this country will never agree to have their voices silenced and be ruled by the congested cities along the coast.

When democrats are a national party again they can talk about the will of the people.

When you win the national vote by 3 million, you are a national party.

The popular vote doesn't count when unpopular things that democrats champion are on the ballot. Then it's "the will of the people be damned".

What about the Will of the People when it comes to School Vouchers?
Public Opinion Data: Americans Want School Choice
The Majority of Americans Want Choice. 1. If offered a full-tuition voucher, 56 percent of Americans would select a private school. .

 

[Cellblock2429]

To truly understand the will of the people, look at the election map. The Democrat areas are narrowly defined at the coasts. The People who populate this country will never agree to have their voices silenced and be ruled by the congested cities along the coast.

When democrats are a national party again they can talk about the will of the people.

When you win the national vote by 3 million, you are a national party.

What about the Will of the People when it comes to ending Partial Birth Abortion?
84 % of Americans want late term abortions banned
The popular vote doesn't count when unpopular things that democrats champion are on the ballot. Then it's "the will of the people be damned"

 

[Oldstyle]

Make up your mind, Joey...first you claim Saddam wasn't trying to obtain nukes (which is laughably incorrect) and then you state that if he was it isn't a big deal? You don't have a clue...do you?

Except we invaded the country and found no evidence of anything on the nuke program after 1991. Again, invading the country was a terrible idea. Even if he had a nuke, what was he going to do with it? Use in on Israel? Well, no great loss, but the Zionists would have glassed his country if he did.

We chose to exclude anyone who was in the Baathist Party from holding positions in the military or the police. The problem with that is twofold...first, you've gotten rid of the two stabilizing forces in Iraq (which makes it easier for groups like ISIS to gather power) and secondly those Baathist's that were removed from their positions became the prime pool that ISIS recruited from in Iraq. Leaving them intact as a party but with their leadership removed would have been the intelligent way to go.

Isn't that like saying we should have left the Nazi Party intact in Germany in 1945? But I do notice you avoided the question- How was the Baathist Party going to maintain control over the NON-Baathist Shi'ite/Kurd majority without the military we had just smashed? You see, this is the reason Bush Senior didn't go to Baghdad in 1991. He had hoped the Ba'athists would over throw Saddam and they'd make a deal with them.

Instead, America overthrew his ass, until his slacker son stole the election.

You keep doing the same thing, Joey...declaring the Saddam wasn't trying for a nuke...but then turning around and saying that it he was...it was no big deal because he'd only nuke Israel?

So the death of eight and a half million people wouldn't concern you? Gotta love you, liberals!

 

[Contumacious]

We are hearing a lot of smoke from the Right Wing about the sanctity of the Electoral College, and how the Founders truly understood that the Will of the People could not be trusted.

Okay, so let's look at that. Let's look at the three times that someone became President because they won the electoral College while losing the Popular Vote.

1876- Rutherford B. Hayes. Won the electoral college because a commission awarded several states to him AFTER he promised to withdraw the remaining troops from the South and ended Reconstruction. As a result, the South was able to roll back the rights of African Americans with impunity and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. Clearly one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.

1888 - Benjamin Harrison- Made good on a promise to pay lifetime benefits to Civil War Veterans, giving America its first "Billion Dollar Budget". Gave us a recession in 1890 that lead to the Panic of 1893 right before he left office,

2000 - George W. Bush - Ignored warnings of an imminent terror attack,giving us the worst terror incident in history. Went to war on a lie, killing 5000 Americans and a million Iraqis. Fumbled the response to a major hurricane, rendering a major city uninhabitable. And, oh, yes, gave us the worst recession in 80 years by letting his Wall Street Cronies run amok. easily the worst president ever.

So don't worry, guys. This time will be different! I'm sure the Game Show Host who kept a copy of Hitler's speeches next to his bed will do just fine. No, really.

Shouldn't the will of the "people" be thwarted when they want to injure someone?

Do we still have a right to stand our ground?

.

 

[Oldstyle]

We are hearing a lot of smoke from the Right Wing about the sanctity of the Electoral College, and how the Founders truly understood that the Will of the People could not be trusted.

Okay, so let's look at that. Let's look at the three times that someone became President because they won the electoral College while losing the Popular Vote.

1876- Rutherford B. Hayes. Won the electoral college because a commission awarded several states to him AFTER he promised to withdraw the remaining troops from the South and ended Reconstruction. As a result, the South was able to roll back the rights of African Americans with impunity and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. Clearly one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.

1888 - Benjamin Harrison- Made good on a promise to pay lifetime benefits to Civil War Veterans, giving America its first "Billion Dollar Budget". Gave us a recession in 1890 that lead to the Panic of 1893 right before he left office,

2000 - George W. Bush - Ignored warnings of an imminent terror attack,giving us the worst terror incident in history. Went to war on a lie, killing 5000 Americans and a million Iraqis. Fumbled the response to a major hurricane, rendering a major city uninhabitable. And, oh, yes, gave us the worst recession in 80 years by letting his Wall Street Cronies run amok. easily the worst president ever.

So don't worry, guys. This time will be different! I'm sure the Game Show Host who kept a copy of Hitler's speeches next to his bed will do just fine. No, really.

Shouldn't the will of the "people" be thwarted when they want to injure someone?

Do we still have a right to stand our ground?

.

Are you standing your ground because you've won an election...or having lost one are you claiming to "stand your ground" rather than admit that you didn't win an election? Claiming that your political opponents want to injure someone simply because their political stance differs from yours is a cop out. Rather than subvert the political process because an election didn't turn out the way you'd have liked...why not work to nominate better candidates with solutions to the nation's problems?

 

[Contumacious]

We are hearing a lot of smoke from the Right Wing about the sanctity of the Electoral College, and how the Founders truly understood that the Will of the People could not be trusted.

Okay, so let's look at that. Let's look at the three times that someone became President because they won the electoral College while losing the Popular Vote.

1876- Rutherford B. Hayes. Won the electoral college because a commission awarded several states to him AFTER he promised to withdraw the remaining troops from the South and ended Reconstruction. As a result, the South was able to roll back the rights of African Americans with impunity and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. Clearly one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.

1888 - Benjamin Harrison- Made good on a promise to pay lifetime benefits to Civil War Veterans, giving America its first "Billion Dollar Budget". Gave us a recession in 1890 that lead to the Panic of 1893 right before he left office,

2000 - George W. Bush - Ignored warnings of an imminent terror attack,giving us the worst terror incident in history. Went to war on a lie, killing 5000 Americans and a million Iraqis. Fumbled the response to a major hurricane, rendering a major city uninhabitable. And, oh, yes, gave us the worst recession in 80 years by letting his Wall Street Cronies run amok. easily the worst president ever.

So don't worry, guys. This time will be different! I'm sure the Game Show Host who kept a copy of Hitler's speeches next to his bed will do just fine. No, really.

Shouldn't the will of the "people" be thwarted when they want to injure someone?

Do we still have a right to stand our ground?

.

Are you standing your ground because you've won an election...or having lost one are you claiming to "stand your ground" rather than admit that you didn't win an election? Claiming that your political opponents want to injure someone simply because their political stance differs from yours is a cop out. Rather than subvert the political process because an election didn't turn out the way you'd have liked...why not work to nominate better candidates with solutions to the nation's problems?

Hillary wanted to disarm us, the right to bear is the most basic of all rights.

Hillary wanted to start WWIII in order to defend Israel


Hillary wanted to continue the baseless Paris climate agreement


Hillary wanted to continue the regulations which are stifling our businesses.

Ad nauseam


.

 

[Oldstyle]

We are hearing a lot of smoke from the Right Wing about the sanctity of the Electoral College, and how the Founders truly understood that the Will of the People could not be trusted.

Okay, so let's look at that. Let's look at the three times that someone became President because they won the electoral College while losing the Popular Vote.

1876- Rutherford B. Hayes. Won the electoral college because a commission awarded several states to him AFTER he promised to withdraw the remaining troops from the South and ended Reconstruction. As a result, the South was able to roll back the rights of African Americans with impunity and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. Clearly one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.

1888 - Benjamin Harrison- Made good on a promise to pay lifetime benefits to Civil War Veterans, giving America its first "Billion Dollar Budget". Gave us a recession in 1890 that lead to the Panic of 1893 right before he left office,

2000 - George W. Bush - Ignored warnings of an imminent terror attack,giving us the worst terror incident in history. Went to war on a lie, killing 5000 Americans and a million Iraqis. Fumbled the response to a major hurricane, rendering a major city uninhabitable. And, oh, yes, gave us the worst recession in 80 years by letting his Wall Street Cronies run amok. easily the worst president ever.

So don't worry, guys. This time will be different! I'm sure the Game Show Host who kept a copy of Hitler's speeches next to his bed will do just fine. No, really.

Shouldn't the will of the "people" be thwarted when they want to injure someone?

Do we still have a right to stand our ground?

.

Are you standing your ground because you've won an election...or having lost one are you claiming to "stand your ground" rather than admit that you didn't win an election? Claiming that your political opponents want to injure someone simply because their political stance differs from yours is a cop out. Rather than subvert the political process because an election didn't turn out the way you'd have liked...why not work to nominate better candidates with solutions to the nation's problems?

Hillary wanted to disarm us, the right to bear is the most basic of all rights.

Hillary wanted to start WWIII in order to defend Israel


Hillary wanted to continue the baseless Paris climate agreement


Hillary wanted to continue the regulations which are stifling our businesses.

Ad nauseam


.

I'm not a Clinton supporter, Contumnacious...my point was that if people are unhappy with the outcome of this election...or any other election for that matter...they need to take a long hard look at what their Party is doing that made that happen and ask if change is needed. The Democrats just put Nancy Pelosi back in charge of the Democrats in the House which begs the question...WHY?

 

[GWV5903]

We are hearing a lot of smoke from the Right Wing about the sanctity of the Electoral College, and how the Founders truly understood that the Will of the People could not be trusted.

You still lost, grow up and get use to it...

Trumps your Daddy now!!!

 

[westwall]

We are hearing a lot of smoke from the Right Wing about the sanctity of the Electoral College, and how the Founders truly understood that the Will of the People could not be trusted.

Okay, so let's look at that. Let's look at the three times that someone became President because they won the electoral College while losing the Popular Vote.

1876- Rutherford B. Hayes. Won the electoral college because a commission awarded several states to him AFTER he promised to withdraw the remaining troops from the South and ended Reconstruction. As a result, the South was able to roll back the rights of African Americans with impunity and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. Clearly one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.

1888 - Benjamin Harrison- Made good on a promise to pay lifetime benefits to Civil War Veterans, giving America its first "Billion Dollar Budget". Gave us a recession in 1890 that lead to the Panic of 1893 right before he left office,

2000 - George W. Bush - Ignored warnings of an imminent terror attack,giving us the worst terror incident in history. Went to war on a lie, killing 5000 Americans and a million Iraqis. Fumbled the response to a major hurricane, rendering a major city uninhabitable. And, oh, yes, gave us the worst recession in 80 years by letting his Wall Street Cronies run amok. easily the worst president ever.

So don't worry, guys. This time will be different! I'm sure the Game Show Host who kept a copy of Hitler's speeches next to his bed will do just fine. No, really.

Shouldn't the will of the "people" be thwarted when they want to injure someone?

Do we still have a right to stand our ground?

.

Are you standing your ground because you've won an election...or having lost one are you claiming to "stand your ground" rather than admit that you didn't win an election? Claiming that your political opponents want to injure someone simply because their political stance differs from yours is a cop out. Rather than subvert the political process because an election didn't turn out the way you'd have liked...why not work to nominate better candidates with solutions to the nation's problems?

Hillary wanted to disarm us, the right to bear is the most basic of all rights.

Hillary wanted to start WWIII in order to defend Israel


Hillary wanted to continue the baseless Paris climate agreement


Hillary wanted to continue the regulations which are stifling our businesses.

Ad nauseam


.

I'm not a Clinton supporter, Contumnacious...my point was that if people are unhappy with the outcome of this election...or any other election for that matter...they need to take a long hard look at what their Party is doing that made that happen and ask if change is needed. The Democrats just put Nancy Pelosi back in charge of the Democrats in the House which begs the question...WHY?

Because they are deaf, dumb, and blind. They have ignored the people of this country for a long time. Part of it is an inability to care about the middle class. Part of it is a elitist view of the world where they feel their opinion is the only one that mattered, and part of it is they are truly not that bright. They simply couldn't release the reigns of power and allow the younger generation to start taking over.

 

[9thIDdoc]

The Electoral College flaunting the will of the people...

Bullspit! The electoral vote is the will of the people.

 

[JoeB131]

Blah, bah, blah. Even Jesus said the rain comes for the heathens as well as the saints. You will be fine other then being irritated by that nasty yeast infection you and your alter ego have. You are part of america to, so you two will benefit from america being great again as well, but if it makes you feel better, just send it to the DNC. No one says you have to like being better off.

Except America won't be "Great" under Trumpenfuhrer. Economists say his policies will be a disaster. Now, I'll probably be in a better position, as I am white, male, straight and college educated with a veteran's preference in hiring. But Trump is going to be the biggest shit sandwich for America since... Well, probably Herbert Hoover.

 

[JoeB131]

Given that, what would have been an appropriate response that would have actually prevented 9/11? Be specific and keep in mind that at the time, that's the ONLY info you have. You have no idea if they are actually going to do it, and if they are, when or where or what flights they might target. Go.

Increase security at the Airports. Make inquiries at the flight schools if you have any Arab students that are acting suspiciously.

Do something other than say to the CIA Briefer, "Well, you've covered your ass", which is exactly what Bush said tot he CIA Briefer.

Why didn't the will of the people (the only thing that counts in a free society, as you say) count when it came to gay marriage?

It did- ten years ago when that's what people wanted. And when people changed their mined, we changed the law. (you do know a majority supports gay marriage now, right?)

Yeah, the democrats really took it in the shorts, didn't they?

No, America took it in the shorts. Some of you are just too fucking stupid to realize how badly you all fucked it up.

But you will.

 

[JoeB131]

You keep doing the same thing, Joey...declaring the Saddam wasn't trying for a nuke...but then turning around and saying that it he was...it was no big deal because he'd only nuke Israel?

So the death of eight and a half million people wouldn't concern you? Gotta love you, liberals!

if those people ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO LIVE NEXT TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KILL THEM, I can't get terribly worked up.

Seriously, fuck the Zionists. I'm tired of American dying so they can pretend their Magic Sky Pixie loves them the best. They should have figured out that was wrong when Hitler turned half of them into lampshades.

But back to the point. We found NO EVIDENCE Saddam was making a nuke or had an active nuke program.

Bush Lied. People Died.

But at least he didnt' lie about a blow job or using the wrong e-mail address. You know, the important shit.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm not a Clinton supporter, Contumnacious...my point was that if people are unhappy with the outcome of this election...or any other election for that matter...they need to take a long hard look at what their Party is doing that made that happen and ask if change is needed. The Democrats just put Nancy Pelosi back in charge of the Democrats in the House which begs the question...WHY?

Why not? A majority voted for Hillary, and the dumb-ass Inbred Cleetuses who voted for Trumpenfuhrer in WI, MI and PA didn't do so because they just hate Pelosi soooooo much.

they voted for him because Trump promised them that he'd bring back their daddy's long extinct job.

And when they find out that isn't going to happen no matter how much Trump bribes billionaires with our tax dollars, they are going to turn on him pretty viciously.