The Electoral College flaunting the will of the people never ends well!

[Bush92]

LOL...the Germans and Japanese "welcomed" US troops? That's an interesting take on history. They didn't have much of a choice since we'd just accepted their unconditional surrenders.

The thing was, when they reconstituted theirgovernments, they didn't ask us to leave. (Mostly because they were afraid of the Soviets). Man, you are a dumb fuck, aren't you?

For about the hundredth time...if we'd REALLY wanted a new Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq we would have gotten one. Barack Obama never made the attempt because Barack Obama had already decided that he would run for reelection as the President who ended the war in Iraq and was going to pull out combat troops no matter what his military leaders advised.

Yeah, but who really "wanted" one? The Iraqis clearly didn't. They wanted us gone. We didn't. We were done with Bush's fuckup. We were tired of watching our young men and women coming home in boxes for no good reason.

There was no good reason to keep fighting in Iraq or keep troops there. Jesus Christ, Dumbfuck, the Sunnis and Shi'ites have been fighting for over 1300 years over how many Imams can dance on the head of a pin. You really think we need toget in the middle of THAT fight.

The only thing the Sunnis and Shi'ites agreed upon is how much they HATED us. And you think Obama should have fought to keep young Americans in the middle of that?

Barack Obama was voted in by the biggest margin in history? LOL Wow, that's news to me. I've got news for you...he's not even in the top 20!

He beat McCainiac by 10 million votes... I'm sure you think they were all darkies, so they don't count though.

Look like Harding had most popular vote. Barry Sotoro down in lower half.

 

[Oldstyle]

LOL...the Germans and Japanese "welcomed" US troops? That's an interesting take on history. They didn't have much of a choice since we'd just accepted their unconditional surrenders.

The thing was, when they reconstituted theirgovernments, they didn't ask us to leave. (Mostly because they were afraid of the Soviets). Man, you are a dumb fuck, aren't you?

For about the hundredth time...if we'd REALLY wanted a new Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq we would have gotten one. Barack Obama never made the attempt because Barack Obama had already decided that he would run for reelection as the President who ended the war in Iraq and was going to pull out combat troops no matter what his military leaders advised.

Yeah, but who really "wanted" one? The Iraqis clearly didn't. They wanted us gone. We didn't. We were done with Bush's fuckup. We were tired of watching our young men and women coming home in boxes for no good reason.

There was no good reason to keep fighting in Iraq or keep troops there. Jesus Christ, Dumbfuck, the Sunnis and Shi'ites have been fighting for over 1300 years over how many Imams can dance on the head of a pin. You really think we need toget in the middle of THAT fight.

The only thing the Sunnis and Shi'ites agreed upon is how much they HATED us. And you think Obama should have fought to keep young Americans in the middle of that?

Barack Obama was voted in by the biggest margin in history? LOL Wow, that's news to me. I've got news for you...he's not even in the top 20!

He beat McCainiac by 10 million votes... I'm sure you think they were all darkies, so they don't count though.

List of United States presidential elections by Electoral College margin - Wikipedia

Joey's as much of an idiot about presidential elections as he is about most things...his kind of stupid is a rare thing.

 

[JoeB131]

Federalism as per Constituon protects the rights of the states. Sorry we don't live in some fucked up socialist state with a central authority that controls everything.

So it's another, "We've always done it this way, which has never gotten good results, so let's keep doing it this way?"

Is this your argument?

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List of United States presidential elections by Electoral College margin - Wikipedia

Wasn't talking about the distortions of the EC, which even when it validates the will of the people (the only thing that counts in a free society) tends to mislead.

Point was, Obama got 10 million more votes than John McCain. It was a complete repudiation of Bush-43 and his incompetence and his war.

But Dog Style thinks we should have kept fighting that war because, um, yeah, that'll show them.

 

[JoeB131]

Joey's as much of an idiot about presidential elections as he is about most things...his kind of stupid is a rare thing.

Says the guy who thinks the Iraq War was a good idea...

 

[JoeB131]

We are hearing a lot of smoke from the Right Wing about the sanctity of the Electoral College, and how the Founders truly understood that the Will of the People could not be trusted.

Okay, so let's look at that. Let's look at the three times that someone became President because they won the electoral College while losing the Popular Vote.

1876- Rutherford B. Hayes. Won the electoral college because a commission awarded several states to him AFTER he promised to withdraw the remaining troops from the South and ended Reconstruction. As a result, the South was able to roll back the rights of African Americans with impunity and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. Clearly one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.

1888 - Benjamin Harrison- Made good on a promise to pay lifetime benefits to Civil War Veterans, giving America its first "Billion Dollar Budget". Gave us a recession in 1890 that lead to the Panic of 1893 right before he left office,

2000 - George W. Bush - Ignored warnings of an imminent terror attack,giving us the worst terror incident in history. Went to war on a lie, killing 5000 Americans and a million Iraqis. Fumbled the response to a major hurricane, rendering a major city uninhabitable. And, oh, yes, gave us the worst recession in 80 years by letting his Wall Street Cronies run amok. easily the worst president ever.

So don't worry, guys. This time will be different! I'm sure the Game Show Host who kept a copy of Hitler's speeches next to his bed will do just fine. No, really.

KKKorell AKA Cleetus.... How about answering the question. When has the electoral college ignored the will of the people and we had a really good result?

I pointed out the three times it did and we had really awful results

 

[Correll]

We are hearing a lot of smoke from the Right Wing about the sanctity of the Electoral College, and how the Founders truly understood that the Will of the People could not be trusted.

Okay, so let's look at that. Let's look at the three times that someone became President because they won the electoral College while losing the Popular Vote.

1876- Rutherford B. Hayes. Won the electoral college because a commission awarded several states to him AFTER he promised to withdraw the remaining troops from the South and ended Reconstruction. As a result, the South was able to roll back the rights of African Americans with impunity and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. Clearly one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.

1888 - Benjamin Harrison- Made good on a promise to pay lifetime benefits to Civil War Veterans, giving America its first "Billion Dollar Budget". Gave us a recession in 1890 that lead to the Panic of 1893 right before he left office,

2000 - George W. Bush - Ignored warnings of an imminent terror attack,giving us the worst terror incident in history. Went to war on a lie, killing 5000 Americans and a million Iraqis. Fumbled the response to a major hurricane, rendering a major city uninhabitable. And, oh, yes, gave us the worst recession in 80 years by letting his Wall Street Cronies run amok. easily the worst president ever.

So don't worry, guys. This time will be different! I'm sure the Game Show Host who kept a copy of Hitler's speeches next to his bed will do just fine. No, really.

KKKorell AKA Cleetus.... How about answering the question. When has the electoral college ignored the will of the people and we had a really good result?

I pointed out the three times it did and we had really awful results

Your race card use is noted. Your post is invalid.

 

[JoeB131]

Your race card use is noted. Your post is invalid.

It's okay, buddy, we knew you wouldn't answer the question.

 

[Oldstyle]

Joey's as much of an idiot about presidential elections as he is about most things...his kind of stupid is a rare thing.

Says the guy who thinks the Iraq War was a good idea...

What I've said all along is that the removal of Saddam Hussein was a good idea since he was a sociopath looking to obtain nukes. It was trying to create a Democracy in Iraq that was a bad idea. If it were up to me I would have invaded Iraq...stayed until we'd captured Saddam and most of his inner circle...then left the Baathists in control of the government and the military as we packed up and left...giving them a guarantee that we would be back and do the same thing again if they didn't clean up their act and behave.

 

[Crixus]

We are hearing a lot of smoke from the Right Wing about the sanctity of the Electoral College, and how the Founders truly understood that the Will of the People could not be trusted.

Okay, so let's look at that. Let's look at the three times that someone became President because they won the electoral College while losing the Popular Vote.

1876- Rutherford B. Hayes. Won the electoral college because a commission awarded several states to him AFTER he promised to withdraw the remaining troops from the South and ended Reconstruction. As a result, the South was able to roll back the rights of African Americans with impunity and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. Clearly one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.

1888 - Benjamin Harrison- Made good on a promise to pay lifetime benefits to Civil War Veterans, giving America its first "Billion Dollar Budget". Gave us a recession in 1890 that lead to the Panic of 1893 right before he left office,

2000 - George W. Bush - Ignored warnings of an imminent terror attack,giving us the worst terror incident in history. Went to war on a lie, killing 5000 Americans and a million Iraqis. Fumbled the response to a major hurricane, rendering a major city uninhabitable. And, oh, yes, gave us the worst recession in 80 years by letting his Wall Street Cronies run amok. easily the worst president ever.

So don't worry, guys. This time will be different! I'm sure the Game Show Host who kept a copy of Hitler's speeches next to his bed will do just fine. No, really.

Sniff, Sniff? I smell a yeasty woman part. Oh yeah, its JoeB.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Federalism as per Constituon protects the rights of the states. Sorry we don't live in some fucked up socialist state with a central authority that controls everything.

So it's another, "We've always done it this way, which has never gotten good results, so let's keep doing it this way?"

Is this your argument?

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List of United States presidential elections by Electoral College margin - Wikipedia

Wasn't talking about the distortions of the EC, which even when it validates the will of the people (the only thing that counts in a free society) tends to mislead.

Point was, Obama got 10 million more votes than John McCain. It was a complete repudiation of Bush-43 and his incompetence and his war.

But Dog Style thinks we should have kept fighting that war because, um, yeah, that'll show them.

Hey, if the people want t o amend the USC and do away with it, so be it. if the people are comfortable having the West and East coasts decide the election every four years.... cool.

But changing the way we do it in the middle of an election is the stuff of third world shitholes.

 

[Crixus]

here is why the collage stuff.

The Reason for the Electoral College - FactCheck.org

The reason that the Constitution calls for this extra layer, rather than just providing for the direct election of the president, is that most of the nation’s founders were actually rather afraid of democracy. James Madison worried about what he called “factions,” which he defined as groups of citizens who have a common interest in some proposal that would either violate the rights of other citizens or would harm the nation as a whole. Madison’s fear – which Alexis de Tocqueville later dubbed “the tyranny of the majority” – was that a faction could grow to encompass more than 50 percent of the population, at which point it could “sacrifice to its ruling passion or interest both the public good and the rights of other citizens.” Madison has a solution for tyranny of the majority: “A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect, and promises the cure for which we are seeking.”

 

[JoeB131]

What I've said all along is that the removal of Saddam Hussein was a good idea since he was a sociopath looking to obtain nukes.

Except he wasn't trying to obtain nukes. And it simply wasn't a big deal if he was. He'd be like the guy bringing a knife to a gun fight.

It was trying to create a Democracy in Iraq that was a bad idea. If it were up to me I would have invaded Iraq...stayed until we'd captured Saddam and most of his inner circle...then left the Baathists in control of the government and the military as we packed up and left...giving them a guarantee that we would be back and do the same thing again if they didn't clean up their act and behave.

Yeah, that's actually kind of retarded. We can tell you never served in the military.

Exactly how were the Baathists (who represented the 30% of the population who are Sunni Arabs) going to retain control over the other 70% who were Shi'ites and Kurds AFTER you crushed their military apparatus? The absolute best case scenario there would have been they merely would have retained control of the Sunni Triangle.

Establishing a Democracy wasn't the problem. It's what people might actually vote for that was. You see, the Plutocratic INterests all say they 'love" Democracy, but the fact is they fear it more than Communism.

 

[JoeB131]

Sniff, Sniff? I smell a yeasty woman part. Oh yeah, its JoeB.

Really, I smell an illiterate moron trying to have an adult conversation...oh, wait, it's Crixus... let's see if he can cut and paste his way into sounding smart.

here is why the collage stuff.

"Collage"... you mean you cut out a bunch of pictures and pasted them to poster board?

The reason that the Constitution calls for this extra layer, rather than just providing for the direct election of the president, is that most of the nation’s founders were actually rather afraid of democracy. James Madison worried about what he called “factions,” which he defined as groups of citizens who have a common interest in some proposal that would either violate the rights of other citizens or would harm the nation as a whole. Madison’s fear – which Alexis de Tocqueville later dubbed “the tyranny of the majority”

Okay, so, um, why would the tyranny of the minority be better?

You see, the thing Madison and the other Founding Slave Rapists feared was that eventually, the majority who didn't own slaves and didn't get any benefit from owning them would eventually abolish the institution. That's why they threw in stuff like the Electoral College, the Senate and the requirement that the President and Vice President would be from different states.

They did not imagine a country of some 300 million where women, minorities and others could vote. Such a concept would have been as alien to them as modern medicine, television and the internet.

Which goes back to my original point, which you didn't have the intellect to address. When has the Electoral College ever over-ridden the will of the people, and we had a good result?

It hasn't.

Hayes, Harrison and Bush-43 were the worst Presidents in our history. Trump is an impeachment looking for a place to happen.

 

[Oldstyle]

What I've said all along is that the removal of Saddam Hussein was a good idea since he was a sociopath looking to obtain nukes.

Except he wasn't trying to obtain nukes. And it simply wasn't a big deal if he was. He'd be like the guy bringing a knife to a gun fight.

It was trying to create a Democracy in Iraq that was a bad idea. If it were up to me I would have invaded Iraq...stayed until we'd captured Saddam and most of his inner circle...then left the Baathists in control of the government and the military as we packed up and left...giving them a guarantee that we would be back and do the same thing again if they didn't clean up their act and behave.

Yeah, that's actually kind of retarded. We can tell you never served in the military.

Exactly how were the Baathists (who represented the 30% of the population who are Sunni Arabs) going to retain control over the other 70% who were Shi'ites and Kurds AFTER you crushed their military apparatus? The absolute best case scenario there would have been they merely would have retained control of the Sunni Triangle.

Establishing a Democracy wasn't the problem. It's what people might actually vote for that was. You see, the Plutocratic INterests all say they 'love" Democracy, but the fact is they fear it more than Communism.

Make up your mind, Joey...first you claim Saddam wasn't trying to obtain nukes (which is laughably incorrect) and then you state that if he was it isn't a big deal? You don't have a clue...do you?

 

[Oldstyle]

What I've said all along is that the removal of Saddam Hussein was a good idea since he was a sociopath looking to obtain nukes.

Except he wasn't trying to obtain nukes. And it simply wasn't a big deal if he was. He'd be like the guy bringing a knife to a gun fight.

It was trying to create a Democracy in Iraq that was a bad idea. If it were up to me I would have invaded Iraq...stayed until we'd captured Saddam and most of his inner circle...then left the Baathists in control of the government and the military as we packed up and left...giving them a guarantee that we would be back and do the same thing again if they didn't clean up their act and behave.

Yeah, that's actually kind of retarded. We can tell you never served in the military.

Exactly how were the Baathists (who represented the 30% of the population who are Sunni Arabs) going to retain control over the other 70% who were Shi'ites and Kurds AFTER you crushed their military apparatus? The absolute best case scenario there would have been they merely would have retained control of the Sunni Triangle.

Establishing a Democracy wasn't the problem. It's what people might actually vote for that was. You see, the Plutocratic INterests all say they 'love" Democracy, but the fact is they fear it more than Communism.

We chose to exclude anyone who was in the Baathist Party from holding positions in the military or the police. The problem with that is twofold...first, you've gotten rid of the two stabilizing forces in Iraq (which makes it easier for groups like ISIS to gather power) and secondly those Baathist's that were removed from their positions became the prime pool that ISIS recruited from in Iraq. Leaving them intact as a party but with their leadership removed would have been the intelligent way to go.

 

[Crixus]

Sniff, Sniff? I smell a yeasty woman part. Oh yeah, its JoeB.

Really, I smell an illiterate moron trying to have an adult conversation...oh, wait, it's Crixus... let's see if he can cut and paste his way into sounding smart.

here is why the collage stuff.

"Collage"... you mean you cut out a bunch of pictures and pasted them to poster board?

The reason that the Constitution calls for this extra layer, rather than just providing for the direct election of the president, is that most of the nation’s founders were actually rather afraid of democracy. James Madison worried about what he called “factions,” which he defined as groups of citizens who have a common interest in some proposal that would either violate the rights of other citizens or would harm the nation as a whole. Madison’s fear – which Alexis de Tocqueville later dubbed “the tyranny of the majority”

Okay, so, um, why would the tyranny of the minority be better?

You see, the thing Madison and the other Founding Slave Rapists feared was that eventually, the majority who didn't own slaves and didn't get any benefit from owning them would eventually abolish the institution. That's why they threw in stuff like the Electoral College, the Senate and the requirement that the President and Vice President would be from different states.

They did not imagine a country of some 300 million where women, minorities and others could vote. Such a concept would have been as alien to them as modern medicine, television and the internet.

Which goes back to my original point, which you didn't have the intellect to address. When has the Electoral College ever over-ridden the will of the people, and we had a good result?

It hasn't.

Hayes, Harrison and Bush-43 were the worst Presidents in our history. Trump is an impeachment looking for a place to happen.

Rather be an moron then some dude with multiple personalities on a message board pushing the same old shit. And you have to stop with this spell Nazi shit joe, you fuck it up all the time, but you just go back and fix it. Your judgment tof who and was not a good or bad president means dick. The electoral collage was just fine when all the news outlets gave Clinton an electoral collage lock you were just fine with how it worked.


Second, Stop trying to push that you are some Hemingway type Harvard educated scholar. You are a bullshitter. You and your alter ego cammnpbell. With both of your accounts you lie about serving in the army, and working at the oakridge facility in Tennessee. You are nothing more them a poor little boob who likely gets verbally abused all day, not much more. Your opinion only matters to you, the rest of the country disagrees. If you took california and new york out of the picture your dream girl's popular vote lead go's bye bye. So yes, clime in the shower grab a douche, clean the sand out of your vagina and get the fuck over it.

 

[JoeB131]

Make up your mind, Joey...first you claim Saddam wasn't trying to obtain nukes (which is laughably incorrect) and then you state that if he was it isn't a big deal? You don't have a clue...do you?

Except we invaded the country and found no evidence of anything on the nuke program after 1991. Again, invading the country was a terrible idea. Even if he had a nuke, what was he going to do with it? Use in on Israel? Well, no great loss, but the Zionists would have glassed his country if he did.

We chose to exclude anyone who was in the Baathist Party from holding positions in the military or the police. The problem with that is twofold...first, you've gotten rid of the two stabilizing forces in Iraq (which makes it easier for groups like ISIS to gather power) and secondly those Baathist's that were removed from their positions became the prime pool that ISIS recruited from in Iraq. Leaving them intact as a party but with their leadership removed would have been the intelligent way to go.

Isn't that like saying we should have left the Nazi Party intact in Germany in 1945? But I do notice you avoided the question- How was the Baathist Party going to maintain control over the NON-Baathist Shi'ite/Kurd majority without the military we had just smashed? You see, this is the reason Bush Senior didn't go to Baghdad in 1991. He had hoped the Ba'athists would over throw Saddam and they'd make a deal with them.

Instead, America overthrew his ass, until his slacker son stole the election.

 

[JoeB131]

Rather be an moron then some dude with multiple personalities on a message board pushing the same old shit. And you have to stop with this spell Nazi shit joe, you fuck it up all the time, but you just go back and fix it. Your judgment tof who and was not a good or bad president means dick. The electoral collage was just fine when all the news outlets gave Clinton an electoral collage lock you were just fine with how it worked.

First, it's COLLEGE, not COLLAGE.. Second, the fact you have spelled it wrong three times now tells me you really think that's how it's spelled.

Third, no, I've always had a problem with the EC. I've never had a good thing to say about it.

econd, Stop trying to push that you are some Hemingway type Harvard educated scholar. You are a bullshitter. You and your alter ego cammnpbell. With both of your accounts you lie about serving in the army, and working at the oakridge facility in Tennessee.

I'm not sure why you think Cammnpbell and I are the same guy. We aren't. You do realize LOTS of people served in the Army, right?

I mean, maybe not you... I doubt you could pass the ASVAB.

ou are nothing more them a poor little boob who likely gets verbally abused all day, not much more. Your opinion only matters to you, the rest of the country disagrees. If you took california and new york out of the picture your dream girl's popular vote lead go's bye bye. So yes, clime in the shower grab a douche, clean the sand out of your vagina and get the fuck over it.

54% of the country voted against Trump. So they don't agree. that number will go up when the White Trash realizes it's been had.

 

[Crixus]

Rather be an moron then some dude with multiple personalities on a message board pushing the same old shit. And you have to stop with this spell Nazi shit joe, you fuck it up all the time, but you just go back and fix it. Your judgment tof who and was not a good or bad president means dick. The electoral collage was just fine when all the news outlets gave Clinton an electoral collage lock you were just fine with how it worked.

First, it's COLLEGE, not COLLAGE.. Second, the fact you have spelled it wrong three times now tells me you really think that's how it's spelled.

Third, no, I've always had a problem with the EC. I've never had a good thing to say about it.

econd, Stop trying to push that you are some Hemingway type Harvard educated scholar. You are a bullshitter. You and your alter ego cammnpbell. With both of your accounts you lie about serving in the army, and working at the oakridge facility in Tennessee.

I'm not sure why you think Cammnpbell and I are the same guy. We aren't. You do realize LOTS of people served in the Army, right?

I mean, maybe not you... I doubt you could pass the ASVAB.

ou are nothing more them a poor little boob who likely gets verbally abused all day, not much more. Your opinion only matters to you, the rest of the country disagrees. If you took california and new york out of the picture your dream girl's popular vote lead go's bye bye. So yes, clime in the shower grab a douche, clean the sand out of your vagina and get the fuck over it.

54% of the country voted against Trump. So they don't agree. that number will go up when the White Trash realizes it's been had.

Blah, bah, blah. Even Jesus said the rain comes for the heathens as well as the saints. You will be fine other then being irritated by that nasty yeast infection you and your alter ego have. You are part of america to, so you two will benefit from america being great again as well, but if it makes you feel better, just send it to the DNC. No one says you have to like being better off.

 

[westwall]

We are hearing a lot of smoke from the Right Wing about the sanctity of the Electoral College, and how the Founders truly understood that the Will of the People could not be trusted.

Okay, so let's look at that. Let's look at the three times that someone became President because they won the electoral College while losing the Popular Vote.

1876- Rutherford B. Hayes. Won the electoral college because a commission awarded several states to him AFTER he promised to withdraw the remaining troops from the South and ended Reconstruction. As a result, the South was able to roll back the rights of African Americans with impunity and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. Clearly one of the worst Presidents we've ever had.

1888 - Benjamin Harrison- Made good on a promise to pay lifetime benefits to Civil War Veterans, giving America its first "Billion Dollar Budget". Gave us a recession in 1890 that lead to the Panic of 1893 right before he left office,

2000 - George W. Bush - Ignored warnings of an imminent terror attack,giving us the worst terror incident in history. Went to war on a lie, killing 5000 Americans and a million Iraqis. Fumbled the response to a major hurricane, rendering a major city uninhabitable. And, oh, yes, gave us the worst recession in 80 years by letting his Wall Street Cronies run amok. easily the worst president ever.

So don't worry, guys. This time will be different! I'm sure the Game Show Host who kept a copy of Hitler's speeches next to his bed will do just fine. No, really.