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By JoeB131
The 2020 Election has proven one thing, that it is past time for America go get rid of the 18th century anachronism of the Electoral College.
The reasons that the electoral college is detrimental can be identified pretty easily.
There is a very simple solution to the problems above. Adopt a system like the French have. You have a presidential election, where if the winner gets 50%+1, he wins, but if no one clears 50%, there would be a runoff. This will allow fuller participation, allow third parties greater exposure, and at the end, we will have a president with a clear mandate for change.
- The presidents it chooses over the will of the people always turn out to be bad for the country. Not only the modern examples of George W. Bush (crashing the economy, getting us into a war based on lies), and Trump (the list is too long of his failings) but the earlier ones like Rutherford B. Hayes, whose administration reversed victory in the Civil War, or John Q. Adams, who corrupted congress to win. They are almost always a mistake the voters needed to correct the next election.
- It creates a false sense of mandate. Even when the people are clear in their choice, a 60/40 win like Reagan in 1984 or Nixon in 1972 appear to have a mandate with a mostly single color map when in fact there were plenty who didn’t support them.
- It makes it impossible for third parties to gain any traction. Every year, we hear about how we are “Stuck with the lesser of two evils”. American history is full of third parties that challenged the duopoly of the Democrats and Republicans, but none of them really last beyond an election cycle or two. Why? Because at the end of the day, the best they could hope for is to throw the election into Congress. Case in point, the Reform Party. Ross Perot was a bit eccentric, but he brought issues to the fore that other parties didn’t. Yet by 2000, the Reform party was done.
- At some point, it will make it impossible for the GOP to win. This is something that the GOP should consider. Texas came closer to turning blue this time than it ever has, and demographic changes will make that inevitable. Once that happens, it will be nearly impossible for the GOP to get an electoral majority, even if they win the popular vote.
- It depresses voter participation. If you didn’t live in one of the ten “Swing states”, there was really not much reason for you to come out and vote, was there? Even though 2020 was a record turnout, 80 million Americans, or about 34% of the eligible electorate, did not vote. Why should they, when they were already painting their state red or blue before a single vote was counted.
- It causes candidates to pander to the interests of small groups over the good of the country. The Cuban American community in Florida is still bitter about a revolution that happened 60 years ago, but it still factors into our politics, keeping us from normalizing relations with Cuba. Meanwhile, in Iowa, we are still spending money to subsidize ethanol nobody really wants to put in their cars. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
- It’s kind of racist. The fact that small homogenous rural states have outsized influence over diverse urban states in this system is a real problem in a country that has historically oppressed minorities. The fact is that it has contributed to the racial divide in this country, where one party has effectively become a white identity party, while the other had tied its fortunes to minority turnout.
- It is subject to a lot of potential mischief after the votes are tallied. The 2020 election itself was not in doubt. Biden won by 7 million votes. Yet we have had endless arguments about some 45,000 votes in Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin. State Legislatures, federal and state courts, faithless electors and congress have all been called upon to change the results, calling the whole system into question.
Why should a minority of people control this country. Someone’s vote in Montana should not be worth 700 of minePersonally I think there should be some protection for the smaller states.
I don't think 4 or 5 of the most populous states should be allowed to have that kind of sway over the presidency.
And if the electoral college votes were actually cast to reflect the popular votes in each state then that would at least align the electoral and the popular votes.
You know how to go about it. Quit your bitching and get to work.
Making a structured argument against it? I think I just did that.
All this gnashing of teeth when the solution is easy. Nominate someone the people can support.
All this gnashing of teeth when the solution is easy. Nominate someone the people can support.
We don't do that anymore.
We have been forced to pick from the worst of the worst
All this gnashing of teeth when the solution is easy. Nominate someone the people can support.
We don't do that anymore.
We have been forced to pick from the worst of the worst
Absolutely. Hillary, Trump, Biden..........if we can't do better than this we deserve to fall apart.
All this gnashing of teeth when the solution is easy. Nominate someone the people can support.
We don't do that anymore.
We have been forced to pick from the worst of the worst
Absolutely. Hillary, Trump, Biden..........if we can't do better than this we deserve to fall apart.
We obviously can't do better.
The reason we have ignorant selfish politicians is because we have ignorant selfish voters
The Electoral college prevents some of the cheating such as california or new york manufacturing millions of fake ballots and stealing elections which I suspect is why you want it gone so much.
By "fake ballots", you mean, "Letting the darkies vote."
The darkies are turning into Republicans, since liberals are turning away from them.The Electoral college prevents some of the cheating such as california or new york manufacturing millions of fake ballots and stealing elections which I suspect is why you want it gone so much.
By "fake ballots", you mean, "Letting the darkies vote."
Darkies need to work on being more diverse like HispanicsThe darkies are turning into Republicans, since liberals are turning away from them.The Electoral college prevents some of the cheating such as california or new york manufacturing millions of fake ballots and stealing elections which I suspect is why you want it gone so much.
By "fake ballots", you mean, "Letting the darkies vote."
Why should large states have to bend over for small states?Why should a minority of people control this country. Someone’s vote in Montana should not be worth 700 of minePersonally I think there should be some protection for the smaller states.
I don't think 4 or 5 of the most populous states should be allowed to have that kind of sway over the presidency.
And if the electoral college votes were actually cast to reflect the popular votes in each state then that would at least align the electoral and the popular votes.
Why should small states have to bend over for larger states?
Shhhhhh...you're supposed to pretend that you aren't racist...Darkies need to work on being more diverse like Hispanics
By JoeB131
The 2020 Election has proven one thing, that it is past time for America go get rid of the 18th century anachronism of the Electoral College.
The reasons that the electoral college is detrimental can be identified pretty easily.
There is a very simple solution to the problems above. Adopt a system like the French have. You have a presidential election, where if the winner gets 50%+1, he wins, but if no one clears 50%, there would be a runoff. This will allow fuller participation, allow third parties greater exposure, and at the end, we will have a president with a clear mandate for change.
- The presidents it chooses over the will of the people always turn out to be bad for the country. Not only the modern examples of George W. Bush (crashing the economy, getting us into a war based on lies), and Trump (the list is too long of his failings) but the earlier ones like Rutherford B. Hayes, whose administration reversed victory in the Civil War, or John Q. Adams, who corrupted congress to win. They are almost always a mistake the voters needed to correct the next election.
- It creates a false sense of mandate. Even when the people are clear in their choice, a 60/40 win like Reagan in 1984 or Nixon in 1972 appear to have a mandate with a mostly single color map when in fact there were plenty who didn’t support them.
- It makes it impossible for third parties to gain any traction. Every year, we hear about how we are “Stuck with the lesser of two evils”. American history is full of third parties that challenged the duopoly of the Democrats and Republicans, but none of them really last beyond an election cycle or two. Why? Because at the end of the day, the best they could hope for is to throw the election into Congress. Case in point, the Reform Party. Ross Perot was a bit eccentric, but he brought issues to the fore that other parties didn’t. Yet by 2000, the Reform party was done.
- At some point, it will make it impossible for the GOP to win. This is something that the GOP should consider. Texas came closer to turning blue this time than it ever has, and demographic changes will make that inevitable. Once that happens, it will be nearly impossible for the GOP to get an electoral majority, even if they win the popular vote.
- It depresses voter participation. If you didn’t live in one of the ten “Swing states”, there was really not much reason for you to come out and vote, was there? Even though 2020 was a record turnout, 80 million Americans, or about 34% of the eligible electorate, did not vote. Why should they, when they were already painting their state red or blue before a single vote was counted.
- It causes candidates to pander to the interests of small groups over the good of the country. The Cuban American community in Florida is still bitter about a revolution that happened 60 years ago, but it still factors into our politics, keeping us from normalizing relations with Cuba. Meanwhile, in Iowa, we are still spending money to subsidize ethanol nobody really wants to put in their cars. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
- It’s kind of racist. The fact that small homogenous rural states have outsized influence over diverse urban states in this system is a real problem in a country that has historically oppressed minorities. The fact is that it has contributed to the racial divide in this country, where one party has effectively become a white identity party, while the other had tied its fortunes to minority turnout.
- It is subject to a lot of potential mischief after the votes are tallied. The 2020 election itself was not in doubt. Biden won by 7 million votes. Yet we have had endless arguments about some 45,000 votes in Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin. State Legislatures, federal and state courts, faithless electors and congress have all been called upon to change the results, calling the whole system into question.
Is it racist to believe Hispanics are more diverse than blacks?Shhhhhh...you're supposed to pretend that you aren't racist...Darkies need to work on being more diverse like Hispanics
Is it racist to believe Hispanics are more diverse than blacks?Shhhhhh...you're supposed to pretend that you aren't racist...Darkies need to work on being more diverse like Hispanics
Illegals need to go! All 11 million of them. Besides, Joey is busy looking for the guys that assaulted that black fag actor at his doorstep.By JoeB131
The 2020 Election has proven one thing, that it is past time for America go get rid of the 18th century anachronism of the Electoral College.
The reasons that the electoral college is detrimental can be identified pretty easily.
There is a very simple solution to the problems above. Adopt a system like the French have. You have a presidential election, where if the winner gets 50%+1, he wins, but if no one clears 50%, there would be a runoff. This will allow fuller participation, allow third parties greater exposure, and at the end, we will have a president with a clear mandate for change.
- The presidents it chooses over the will of the people always turn out to be bad for the country. Not only the modern examples of George W. Bush (crashing the economy, getting us into a war based on lies), and Trump (the list is too long of his failings) but the earlier ones like Rutherford B. Hayes, whose administration reversed victory in the Civil War, or John Q. Adams, who corrupted congress to win. They are almost always a mistake the voters needed to correct the next election.
- It creates a false sense of mandate. Even when the people are clear in their choice, a 60/40 win like Reagan in 1984 or Nixon in 1972 appear to have a mandate with a mostly single color map when in fact there were plenty who didn’t support them.
- It makes it impossible for third parties to gain any traction. Every year, we hear about how we are “Stuck with the lesser of two evils”. American history is full of third parties that challenged the duopoly of the Democrats and Republicans, but none of them really last beyond an election cycle or two. Why? Because at the end of the day, the best they could hope for is to throw the election into Congress. Case in point, the Reform Party. Ross Perot was a bit eccentric, but he brought issues to the fore that other parties didn’t. Yet by 2000, the Reform party was done.
- At some point, it will make it impossible for the GOP to win. This is something that the GOP should consider. Texas came closer to turning blue this time than it ever has, and demographic changes will make that inevitable. Once that happens, it will be nearly impossible for the GOP to get an electoral majority, even if they win the popular vote.
- It depresses voter participation. If you didn’t live in one of the ten “Swing states”, there was really not much reason for you to come out and vote, was there? Even though 2020 was a record turnout, 80 million Americans, or about 34% of the eligible electorate, did not vote. Why should they, when they were already painting their state red or blue before a single vote was counted.
- It causes candidates to pander to the interests of small groups over the good of the country. The Cuban American community in Florida is still bitter about a revolution that happened 60 years ago, but it still factors into our politics, keeping us from normalizing relations with Cuba. Meanwhile, in Iowa, we are still spending money to subsidize ethanol nobody really wants to put in their cars. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
- It’s kind of racist. The fact that small homogenous rural states have outsized influence over diverse urban states in this system is a real problem in a country that has historically oppressed minorities. The fact is that it has contributed to the racial divide in this country, where one party has effectively become a white identity party, while the other had tied its fortunes to minority turnout.
- It is subject to a lot of potential mischief after the votes are tallied. The 2020 election itself was not in doubt. Biden won by 7 million votes. Yet we have had endless arguments about some 45,000 votes in Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin. State Legislatures, federal and state courts, faithless electors and congress have all been called upon to change the results, calling the whole system into question.
How do you state it so it's not racist?Is it racist to believe Hispanics are more diverse than blacks?Shhhhhh...you're supposed to pretend that you aren't racist...Darkies need to work on being more diverse like Hispanics
In the way it was stated, yes, absolutely.
