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OMG, at long last! You've made a stab at substantive argument! Well, sorry, given one group starts out less educated than another, then to achieve equality the obvious solution is to have the advantaged group help the disadvantaged group catch up. Now get busy. Crying won't help you. Crying won't do you no good..If blacks are less qualified, due to having less education, then getting equal outcomes can only be done by discriminating against more qualified whites AND will end up with less qualified people doing the jobs.
Damn grumble, that was awesome.
You said something right for a change.View attachment 314070Note: It needs 2. Not just 1. Two erect phallic symbols.. to compensate for its woeful lack of substance..
The right seems to have a fixation on guns and gays.
I support gays legally owning firearms for self-protection. It's a basic human right and applies to everyone.
The left doesn't. The left wants people to be defenseless. I'd ask you to think about it, but you're sadly not capable.
You said something right for a change.View attachment 314070Note: It needs 2. Not just 1. Two erect phallic symbols.. to compensate for its woeful lack of substance..
The right seems to have a fixation on guns and gays.
I support gays legally owning firearms for self-protection. It's a basic human right and applies to everyone.
The left doesn't. The left wants people to be defenseless. I'd ask you to think about it, but you're sadly not capable.
That's a lie. But you're a dumb ass, so this is expected. OBTW White & Black Guns: A History Of Gun Control For Black People
One last time. S L O W L Y. Before I depart from this silly circular argument that you are so intent on engaging in:
1. I do not care if YOU or anyone else sees your Confederate flag as a "harmless symbol of regional pride that has stood for 150 years".
I witnessed it being present in the hands of racist, anti civil rights scum in the early 1960's. In case you did not realize it, the 1960's were LESS than 60 years ago. So you can stop wasting your time trying to convince me that most of the country has viewed it as "harmless" for that length of time.
Why do you give those relatively few racists what they want ie the power to co-opt those symbols for their purposes?
2. I will not admit to something that I disagree with for the sake of making you comfortable.
But on what grounds can you disagree with me? The evidence from the show is clear, good clean fun.
3. I am not "incorrect" in my view of what your so called "positions" revolve around. It is obvious that anything that you remotely perceive as not being aligned with your extremely radical, far right, pro white agenda, you consider to be an assault on ALL white people, as a self proclaimed spokesperson for that demographic, evidenced by your attempt to lecture me on a topic that you have no understanding of or experience with.
My understanding and experience is just as valid as your own. We live in an insane world, were you can say something like, "your views are invalid because you are white", and expect to be taken seriously.
3. Your insistence on labeling others who do not agree with your views as "lefties" is a tactic that you default to in nearly every thread that I've seen you present in. And then after that, you progress to "race baiting asshole" as your next level of defense. Which is exactly why I normally don't respond to much of what you have to say.
Most rabidly political zealots of any kind are normally impossible to reason with. And I usually don't waste valuable time attempting to do so.
For a number of posts in a row, you've managed to be relatively civil and actually address the topic and my points, seriously and I believe, honesty.
Note how I have replied in kind.
I treat people with the level of respect they show me. When you see me calling people "lefties" or "race baiting assholes" it is because they have taken the discussion to that level.
If you withdraw from the conversation at this point, it is not because I have been rude to you. I have not. So, don't kid yourself with that excuse.
Therefore I am agreeing to disagree and you are entitled to your views, but realize that you are nowhere near informed enough and lack the life experience to be critical of mine.
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So, all you have to refute my many cited examples, from the BLue and Grey Reunion, to the Dukes of Hazzard, to Obama sending a wreath to the Confederate Memorial,
is that I am white, and thus my views can be discounted.
Again, for the 100th time. I personally do not care what race you are, nor do I personally care what your PERSONAL perception of the Confederate flag is.
My difference of opinion from yours is mainly generational and part geographical.
What you continue to sidestep is that since you ARE white, you NEVER were part of a demographic that was denied the most basic of civil rights, and you NEVER witnessed your own family having human waste thrown on them by "people" WAVING CONFEDERATE FLAGS for peacefully demonstrating.
Unlike you, to me that so called "symbol of regional pride" represents a culture that could return if given enough acceptance, and is not harmless in my view.
A swastika could just as easily be viewed as a harmless symbol as well....by certain people.
You are futilely attempting to make a point to the wrong person on this subject.
I agreed to disagree.
Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
1. So, you open by stating that you do not care what my race is.
2. Then you immediately cite my race as a reason to dismiss my views. IMMEDIATELY.
3. My views and experiences are just as valid as yours.
4. The Union vets who accepted the flying of the Confederate Flag at the Blue and Grey Reunion in Gettysburgh, they fought for years, many were wounded, or lost limbs, saw friends and family killed. How does your moral authority trump theirs?
5. Attacking whites for having any pride in their culture and/or heritage, is what you want to do IF YOU WANT A RETURN TO WHITE RACISM AGAINST YOU AND YOURS. Do you think that tearing down those statues and banning those flags are going to build feelings of inclusion and tolerance in whites, or the exact opposite?
Seriously? Now I think you just want to argue for the sake of being obtuse. I have patiently listened to your opinion and repeatedly expressed that it is your right to believe what you wish, while making it clear that I have the same right.
That is far from "dismissing" what you had to say, I'm just not changing my view in order to placate you, that is what appears to be your problem.
Now you are being redundant and attempting to put your personal spin on what I am stating.
There is a difference between me not caring what race you are personally, versus you NOT experiencing certain things that I did because of racial differences.
You couldn't have experienced what I did based on that. And like it or not, that is something that is just a reality.
.......
And that is you bringing up my race and your race as the reason(s) why your view is more valid. That you put the spin in there of "experience" is just another way of saying race.
Cause on someone of YOUR race could experience that, and I can't EXPERIENCE it, because of my race.
I was not a Union vet, no. But the Union vets were part of the generation that decided on a policy of reconciliation with the South.
Who are you to renege on that reconciliation? What moral authority do you have, that trumps those that fought and suffered to defeat the Confederacy?
Why do you give those relatively few racists what they want ie the power to co-opt those symbols for their purposes?
But on what grounds can you disagree with me? The evidence from the show is clear, good clean fun.
My understanding and experience is just as valid as your own. We live in an insane world, were you can say something like, "your views are invalid because you are white", and expect to be taken seriously.
For a number of posts in a row, you've managed to be relatively civil and actually address the topic and my points, seriously and I believe, honesty.
Note how I have replied in kind.
I treat people with the level of respect they show me. When you see me calling people "lefties" or "race baiting assholes" it is because they have taken the discussion to that level.
If you withdraw from the conversation at this point, it is not because I have been rude to you. I have not. So, don't kid yourself with that excuse.
So, all you have to refute my many cited examples, from the BLue and Grey Reunion, to the Dukes of Hazzard, to Obama sending a wreath to the Confederate Memorial,
is that I am white, and thus my views can be discounted.
Again, for the 100th time. I personally do not care what race you are, nor do I personally care what your PERSONAL perception of the Confederate flag is.
My difference of opinion from yours is mainly generational and part geographical.
What you continue to sidestep is that since you ARE white, you NEVER were part of a demographic that was denied the most basic of civil rights, and you NEVER witnessed your own family having human waste thrown on them by "people" WAVING CONFEDERATE FLAGS for peacefully demonstrating.
Unlike you, to me that so called "symbol of regional pride" represents a culture that could return if given enough acceptance, and is not harmless in my view.
A swastika could just as easily be viewed as a harmless symbol as well....by certain people.
You are futilely attempting to make a point to the wrong person on this subject.
I agreed to disagree.
Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
1. So, you open by stating that you do not care what my race is.
2. Then you immediately cite my race as a reason to dismiss my views. IMMEDIATELY.
3. My views and experiences are just as valid as yours.
4. The Union vets who accepted the flying of the Confederate Flag at the Blue and Grey Reunion in Gettysburgh, they fought for years, many were wounded, or lost limbs, saw friends and family killed. How does your moral authority trump theirs?
5. Attacking whites for having any pride in their culture and/or heritage, is what you want to do IF YOU WANT A RETURN TO WHITE RACISM AGAINST YOU AND YOURS. Do you think that tearing down those statues and banning those flags are going to build feelings of inclusion and tolerance in whites, or the exact opposite?
Seriously? Now I think you just want to argue for the sake of being obtuse. I have patiently listened to your opinion and repeatedly expressed that it is your right to believe what you wish, while making it clear that I have the same right.
That is far from "dismissing" what you had to say, I'm just not changing my view in order to placate you, that is what appears to be your problem.
Now you are being redundant and attempting to put your personal spin on what I am stating.
There is a difference between me not caring what race you are personally, versus you NOT experiencing certain things that I did because of racial differences.
You couldn't have experienced what I did based on that. And like it or not, that is something that is just a reality.
.......
And that is you bringing up my race and your race as the reason(s) why your view is more valid. That you put the spin in there of "experience" is just another way of saying race.
Cause on someone of YOUR race could experience that, and I can't EXPERIENCE it, because of my race.
I was not a Union vet, no. But the Union vets were part of the generation that decided on a policy of reconciliation with the South.
Who are you to renege on that reconciliation? What moral authority do you have, that trumps those that fought and suffered to defeat the Confederacy?
Those who fought and suffered at the Confederacy are now long dead. The desire of some to commemorate their choice to do so, is their prerogative, but not a personal choice of mine.
Furthermore, where have I stated that MY opinion is more "valid" than yours?
What I stated is that there are events that I experienced that YOU did not, based on a number of of obvious factors.
That is not the same as me stating that your opinions are not "valid".
They obviously are to you, which at the risk of me sounding redundant like you are, is your right.
As far as me "reneging" on the so called reconciliation between the Confederacy and the union, I do not possess the political influence to do do.
However, I do have the right as citizen, to not agree with the opinion that the Confederate flag is not just "a harmless symbol".
Just as you have the right to believe that it is.
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Your inability to accept reality in no way alters reality.You said something right for a change.View attachment 314070Note: It needs 2. Not just 1. Two erect phallic symbols.. to compensate for its woeful lack of substance..
The right seems to have a fixation on guns and gays.
I support gays legally owning firearms for self-protection. It's a basic human right and applies to everyone.
The left doesn't. The left wants people to be defenseless. I'd ask you to think about it, but you're sadly not capable.
That's nice. Go play.You're retarded.I've talked about European slavery. If you have to lie to make your point, your point isn't worth making.Meanwhile, there are people still owning human beings in the world.
But since they're not whitey, you don't give a shit.
But whitey must pay, right?
Since slavery is no longer legal in America, there seems to be an inability for white racists to discuss the continuing racism by whites in America since slavery has ended. You don't care about slavery around the world, you use it to try dismissing the racism people like you still exhibit here in America. Why? Because you don't talk about European slavery when you do so. So again, I understand your cowardice relative to the inability you have to discuss the continuance of white racism in America since slavery ended. And you certainly do not want to discuss the worldwide picture of white imperialism which continues today in most of the world.
You are out of your league here junior and the information you read at stormfront won't help you if you continue with this cowardice.
And no, once again, just because I don't kiss your ass like the white leftists here, that doesn't make me racist. That argument is old and busted.
Run along now, kid. I suggest you find someplace on the internet where your racism isn't challenged.
Your argument is tired son. You argue against documented history, court cases and public policy. That's what you're challenging and you're challenging it with only your opinion. So let's talk about Corrigan v. Buckley. This case is an example of how the government helped whites enforce racist policy. I doubt if you know anything about that case and decision. But when I say that the government has given whites everything they have, you want to argue claiming that you aren't kissing any black persons ass and that somehow you're whitey the hero because you challenge the black man you call a racist because he refuses to genuflect to your punk lily white ass.
The fact you know nothing about this case is a reason why you don't want to discuss the years after slavery and it is why you best leave this argument before I stick my black foot so far up your white ass, that you can walk while sitting on it.
You call me a racist and you do that based on your white fragility.
So you know nothing about Corrigan v. Buckley but you want yo argue with me and call me a racist. Now that's retarded. Do you know what a deed clause is? A restrictive covenant? Contract selling? C'mon Mr. I'm the white man that bows to no negro. Because when I say that Whites have benefitted from racist law and policy, you choose to disagree, woof about what ass you won't kiss, then call me a racist for saying things like that. These things happened after slavery so talking about who owns who today us just a diversion and its all you got. You decided you could go from high school to the pros, but you ain't Kevin Garnett. White racist shit talk don't work here son. I ain't posting memes junior, I'm posting legal cases and decisions from the United States Supreme court. You have no challenge for this.
It's a lie? Of course it isn't. Don't be silly.You said something right for a change.View attachment 314070Note: It needs 2. Not just 1. Two erect phallic symbols.. to compensate for its woeful lack of substance..
The right seems to have a fixation on guns and gays.
I support gays legally owning firearms for self-protection. It's a basic human right and applies to everyone.
The left doesn't. The left wants people to be defenseless. I'd ask you to think about it, but you're sadly not capable.
That's a lie. But you're a dumb ass, so this is expected. OBTW White & Black Guns: A History Of Gun Control For Black People
That's nice. Go play.You're retarded.I've talked about European slavery. If you have to lie to make your point, your point isn't worth making.Since slavery is no longer legal in America, there seems to be an inability for white racists to discuss the continuing racism by whites in America since slavery has ended. You don't care about slavery around the world, you use it to try dismissing the racism people like you still exhibit here in America. Why? Because you don't talk about European slavery when you do so. So again, I understand your cowardice relative to the inability you have to discuss the continuance of white racism in America since slavery ended. And you certainly do not want to discuss the worldwide picture of white imperialism which continues today in most of the world.
You are out of your league here junior and the information you read at stormfront won't help you if you continue with this cowardice.
And no, once again, just because I don't kiss your ass like the white leftists here, that doesn't make me racist. That argument is old and busted.
Run along now, kid. I suggest you find someplace on the internet where your racism isn't challenged.
Your argument is tired son. You argue against documented history, court cases and public policy. That's what you're challenging and you're challenging it with only your opinion. So let's talk about Corrigan v. Buckley. This case is an example of how the government helped whites enforce racist policy. I doubt if you know anything about that case and decision. But when I say that the government has given whites everything they have, you want to argue claiming that you aren't kissing any black persons ass and that somehow you're whitey the hero because you challenge the black man you call a racist because he refuses to genuflect to your punk lily white ass.
The fact you know nothing about this case is a reason why you don't want to discuss the years after slavery and it is why you best leave this argument before I stick my black foot so far up your white ass, that you can walk while sitting on it.
You call me a racist and you do that based on your white fragility.
So you know nothing about Corrigan v. Buckley but you want yo argue with me and call me a racist. Now that's retarded. Do you know what a deed clause is? A restrictive covenant? Contract selling? C'mon Mr. I'm the white man that bows to no negro. Because when I say that Whites have benefitted from racist law and policy, you choose to disagree, woof about what ass you won't kiss, then call me a racist for saying things like that. These things happened after slavery so talking about who owns who today us just a diversion and its all you got. You decided you could go from high school to the pros, but you ain't Kevin Garnett. White racist shit talk don't work here son. I ain't posting memes junior, I'm posting legal cases and decisions from the United States Supreme court. You have no challenge for this.
That's nice. Go play.You're retarded.I've talked about European slavery. If you have to lie to make your point, your point isn't worth making.Since slavery is no longer legal in America, there seems to be an inability for white racists to discuss the continuing racism by whites in America since slavery has ended. You don't care about slavery around the world, you use it to try dismissing the racism people like you still exhibit here in America. Why? Because you don't talk about European slavery when you do so. So again, I understand your cowardice relative to the inability you have to discuss the continuance of white racism in America since slavery ended. And you certainly do not want to discuss the worldwide picture of white imperialism which continues today in most of the world.
You are out of your league here junior and the information you read at stormfront won't help you if you continue with this cowardice.
And no, once again, just because I don't kiss your ass like the white leftists here, that doesn't make me racist. That argument is old and busted.
Run along now, kid. I suggest you find someplace on the internet where your racism isn't challenged.
Your argument is tired son. You argue against documented history, court cases and public policy. That's what you're challenging and you're challenging it with only your opinion. So let's talk about Corrigan v. Buckley. This case is an example of how the government helped whites enforce racist policy. I doubt if you know anything about that case and decision. But when I say that the government has given whites everything they have, you want to argue claiming that you aren't kissing any black persons ass and that somehow you're whitey the hero because you challenge the black man you call a racist because he refuses to genuflect to your punk lily white ass.
The fact you know nothing about this case is a reason why you don't want to discuss the years after slavery and it is why you best leave this argument before I stick my black foot so far up your white ass, that you can walk while sitting on it.
You call me a racist and you do that based on your white fragility.
So you know nothing about Corrigan v. Buckley but you want yo argue with me and call me a racist. Now that's retarded. Do you know what a deed clause is? A restrictive covenant? Contract selling? C'mon Mr. I'm the white man that bows to no negro. Because when I say that Whites have benefitted from racist law and policy, you choose to disagree, woof about what ass you won't kiss, then call me a racist for saying things like that. These things happened after slavery so talking about who owns who today us just a diversion and its all you got. You decided you could go from high school to the pros, but you ain't Kevin Garnett. White racist shit talk don't work here son. I ain't posting memes junior, I'm posting legal cases and decisions from the United States Supreme court. You have no challenge for this.
It's a lie? Of course it isn't. Don't be silly.You said something right for a change.View attachment 314070Note: It needs 2. Not just 1. Two erect phallic symbols.. to compensate for its woeful lack of substance..
The right seems to have a fixation on guns and gays.
I support gays legally owning firearms for self-protection. It's a basic human right and applies to everyone.
The left doesn't. The left wants people to be defenseless. I'd ask you to think about it, but you're sadly not capable.
That's a lie. But you're a dumb ass, so this is expected. OBTW White & Black Guns: A History Of Gun Control For Black People
Why do Democrat-led cities such as Chicago and Baltimore have such high gun death rates when they have such restrictive gun control?
He's counting on the usual leftist response: Do Not Question The Black Person.That's nice. Go play.You're retarded.I've talked about European slavery. If you have to lie to make your point, your point isn't worth making.
And no, once again, just because I don't kiss your ass like the white leftists here, that doesn't make me racist. That argument is old and busted.
Run along now, kid. I suggest you find someplace on the internet where your racism isn't challenged.
Your argument is tired son. You argue against documented history, court cases and public policy. That's what you're challenging and you're challenging it with only your opinion. So let's talk about Corrigan v. Buckley. This case is an example of how the government helped whites enforce racist policy. I doubt if you know anything about that case and decision. But when I say that the government has given whites everything they have, you want to argue claiming that you aren't kissing any black persons ass and that somehow you're whitey the hero because you challenge the black man you call a racist because he refuses to genuflect to your punk lily white ass.
The fact you know nothing about this case is a reason why you don't want to discuss the years after slavery and it is why you best leave this argument before I stick my black foot so far up your white ass, that you can walk while sitting on it.
You call me a racist and you do that based on your white fragility.
So you know nothing about Corrigan v. Buckley but you want yo argue with me and call me a racist. Now that's retarded. Do you know what a deed clause is? A restrictive covenant? Contract selling? C'mon Mr. I'm the white man that bows to no negro. Because when I say that Whites have benefitted from racist law and policy, you choose to disagree, woof about what ass you won't kiss, then call me a racist for saying things like that. These things happened after slavery so talking about who owns who today us just a diversion and its all you got. You decided you could go from high school to the pros, but you ain't Kevin Garnett. White racist shit talk don't work here son. I ain't posting memes junior, I'm posting legal cases and decisions from the United States Supreme court. You have no challenge for this.
He says he want's to discuss the case, then mentions NOTHING about the case. He does spew a lot of racist bullshit though.
Did he think no one would notice? Or is he so stupid that he did not notice?
LOLYour inability to accept reality in no way alters reality.You said something right for a change.View attachment 314070Note: It needs 2. Not just 1. Two erect phallic symbols.. to compensate for its woeful lack of substance..
The right seems to have a fixation on guns and gays.
I support gays legally owning firearms for self-protection. It's a basic human right and applies to everyone.
The left doesn't. The left wants people to be defenseless. I'd ask you to think about it, but you're sadly not capable.
"Hello, Central Casting? I have a part for a guy. 'Angry Black Man'. Yes, the angrier, the better....Right. Lots of calling people racist, lots of arrogance, lots of 'bowing up', as the kids say...You have a guy? Awesome! Have his agent call him!"That's nice. Go play.You're retarded.I've talked about European slavery. If you have to lie to make your point, your point isn't worth making.
And no, once again, just because I don't kiss your ass like the white leftists here, that doesn't make me racist. That argument is old and busted.
Run along now, kid. I suggest you find someplace on the internet where your racism isn't challenged.
Your argument is tired son. You argue against documented history, court cases and public policy. That's what you're challenging and you're challenging it with only your opinion. So let's talk about Corrigan v. Buckley. This case is an example of how the government helped whites enforce racist policy. I doubt if you know anything about that case and decision. But when I say that the government has given whites everything they have, you want to argue claiming that you aren't kissing any black persons ass and that somehow you're whitey the hero because you challenge the black man you call a racist because he refuses to genuflect to your punk lily white ass.
The fact you know nothing about this case is a reason why you don't want to discuss the years after slavery and it is why you best leave this argument before I stick my black foot so far up your white ass, that you can walk while sitting on it.
You call me a racist and you do that based on your white fragility.
So you know nothing about Corrigan v. Buckley but you want yo argue with me and call me a racist. Now that's retarded. Do you know what a deed clause is? A restrictive covenant? Contract selling? C'mon Mr. I'm the white man that bows to no negro. Because when I say that Whites have benefitted from racist law and policy, you choose to disagree, woof about what ass you won't kiss, then call me a racist for saying things like that. These things happened after slavery so talking about who owns who today us just a diversion and its all you got. You decided you could go from high school to the pros, but you ain't Kevin Garnett. White racist shit talk don't work here son. I ain't posting memes junior, I'm posting legal cases and decisions from the United States Supreme court. You have no challenge for this.
You can't talk about these things now can you. You don't have any clue about them. If you did, you'd be running your mouth. You came here to fuck with me and got your racist white ass kicked with a quickness.
Ooooh, right, Detroit's a liberal shithole, too.It's a lie? Of course it isn't. Don't be silly.You said something right for a change.
The right seems to have a fixation on guns and gays.
I support gays legally owning firearms for self-protection. It's a basic human right and applies to everyone.
The left doesn't. The left wants people to be defenseless. I'd ask you to think about it, but you're sadly not capable.
That's a lie. But you're a dumb ass, so this is expected. OBTW White & Black Guns: A History Of Gun Control For Black People
Why do Democrat-led cities such as Chicago and Baltimore have such high gun death rates when they have such restrictive gun control?
It is not a lie and no, we won't be discussing right wing memes. Seems that's all you got. First it's the blacks still own slaves today meme and now the democrat-Baltimore- Chicago meme. I'm surprised you didn't add Detroit.
Look, Skippy, it's not my fault if you can look directly at something and claim it doesn't exist.LOLYour inability to accept reality in no way alters reality.You said something right for a change.
The right seems to have a fixation on guns and gays.
I support gays legally owning firearms for self-protection. It's a basic human right and applies to everyone.
The left doesn't. The left wants people to be defenseless. I'd ask you to think about it, but you're sadly not capable.
Your delusions are not reality.
Eliminating the Second Amendment is not the left's position. Neither of the only two remaining Democrat candidates for president propose eliminating it. Biden himself bitchslapped someone recently for falsely attributing that position to him.Look, Skippy, it's not my fault if you can look directly at something and claim it doesn't exist.LOLYour inability to accept reality in no way alters reality.You said something right for a change.The right seems to have a fixation on guns and gays.
I support gays legally owning firearms for self-protection. It's a basic human right and applies to everyone.
The left doesn't. The left wants people to be defenseless. I'd ask you to think about it, but you're sadly not capable.
Your delusions are not reality.
Again, for the 100th time. I personally do not care what race you are, nor do I personally care what your PERSONAL perception of the Confederate flag is.
My difference of opinion from yours is mainly generational and part geographical.
What you continue to sidestep is that since you ARE white, you NEVER were part of a demographic that was denied the most basic of civil rights, and you NEVER witnessed your own family having human waste thrown on them by "people" WAVING CONFEDERATE FLAGS for peacefully demonstrating.
Unlike you, to me that so called "symbol of regional pride" represents a culture that could return if given enough acceptance, and is not harmless in my view.
A swastika could just as easily be viewed as a harmless symbol as well....by certain people.
You are futilely attempting to make a point to the wrong person on this subject.
I agreed to disagree.
Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
1. So, you open by stating that you do not care what my race is.
2. Then you immediately cite my race as a reason to dismiss my views. IMMEDIATELY.
3. My views and experiences are just as valid as yours.
4. The Union vets who accepted the flying of the Confederate Flag at the Blue and Grey Reunion in Gettysburgh, they fought for years, many were wounded, or lost limbs, saw friends and family killed. How does your moral authority trump theirs?
5. Attacking whites for having any pride in their culture and/or heritage, is what you want to do IF YOU WANT A RETURN TO WHITE RACISM AGAINST YOU AND YOURS. Do you think that tearing down those statues and banning those flags are going to build feelings of inclusion and tolerance in whites, or the exact opposite?
Seriously? Now I think you just want to argue for the sake of being obtuse. I have patiently listened to your opinion and repeatedly expressed that it is your right to believe what you wish, while making it clear that I have the same right.
That is far from "dismissing" what you had to say, I'm just not changing my view in order to placate you, that is what appears to be your problem.
Now you are being redundant and attempting to put your personal spin on what I am stating.
There is a difference between me not caring what race you are personally, versus you NOT experiencing certain things that I did because of racial differences.
You couldn't have experienced what I did based on that. And like it or not, that is something that is just a reality.
.......
And that is you bringing up my race and your race as the reason(s) why your view is more valid. That you put the spin in there of "experience" is just another way of saying race.
Cause on someone of YOUR race could experience that, and I can't EXPERIENCE it, because of my race.
I was not a Union vet, no. But the Union vets were part of the generation that decided on a policy of reconciliation with the South.
Who are you to renege on that reconciliation? What moral authority do you have, that trumps those that fought and suffered to defeat the Confederacy?
Those who fought and suffered at the Confederacy are now long dead. The desire of some to commemorate their choice to do so, is their prerogative, but not a personal choice of mine.
Furthermore, where have I stated that MY opinion is more "valid" than yours?
What I stated is that there are events that I experienced that YOU did not, based on a number of of obvious factors.
That is not the same as me stating that your opinions are not "valid".
They obviously are to you, which at the risk of me sounding redundant like you are, is your right.
As far as me "reneging" on the so called reconciliation between the Confederacy and the union, I do not possess the political influence to do do.
However, I do have the right as citizen, to not agree with the opinion that the Confederate flag is not just "a harmless symbol".
Just as you have the right to believe that it is.
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But your side of the divide is not leaving at that. THey are taking steps to drive from the public square any public display of such history or pride AND to marginalize anyone that disagrees with you on this or similar issues.
It is all part of a general anti-white stance, where even saying "white" in relation to white people, is seen and treated as taboo.
(unless it is to attack them, of course)
Again, for the 100th time. I personally do not care what race you are, nor do I personally care what your PERSONAL perception of the Confederate flag is.
My difference of opinion from yours is mainly generational and part geographical.
What you continue to sidestep is that since you ARE white, you NEVER were part of a demographic that was denied the most basic of civil rights, and you NEVER witnessed your own family having human waste thrown on them by "people" WAVING CONFEDERATE FLAGS for peacefully demonstrating.
Unlike you, to me that so called "symbol of regional pride" represents a culture that could return if given enough acceptance, and is not harmless in my view.
A swastika could just as easily be viewed as a harmless symbol as well....by certain people.
You are futilely attempting to make a point to the wrong person on this subject.
I agreed to disagree.
Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
1. So, you open by stating that you do not care what my race is.
2. Then you immediately cite my race as a reason to dismiss my views. IMMEDIATELY.
3. My views and experiences are just as valid as yours.
4. The Union vets who accepted the flying of the Confederate Flag at the Blue and Grey Reunion in Gettysburgh, they fought for years, many were wounded, or lost limbs, saw friends and family killed. How does your moral authority trump theirs?
5. Attacking whites for having any pride in their culture and/or heritage, is what you want to do IF YOU WANT A RETURN TO WHITE RACISM AGAINST YOU AND YOURS. Do you think that tearing down those statues and banning those flags are going to build feelings of inclusion and tolerance in whites, or the exact opposite?
Seriously? Now I think you just want to argue for the sake of being obtuse. I have patiently listened to your opinion and repeatedly expressed that it is your right to believe what you wish, while making it clear that I have the same right.
That is far from "dismissing" what you had to say, I'm just not changing my view in order to placate you, that is what appears to be your problem.
Now you are being redundant and attempting to put your personal spin on what I am stating.
There is a difference between me not caring what race you are personally, versus you NOT experiencing certain things that I did because of racial differences.
You couldn't have experienced what I did based on that. And like it or not, that is something that is just a reality.
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And that is you bringing up my race and your race as the reason(s) why your view is more valid. That you put the spin in there of "experience" is just another way of saying race.
Cause on someone of YOUR race could experience that, and I can't EXPERIENCE it, because of my race.
I was not a Union vet, no. But the Union vets were part of the generation that decided on a policy of reconciliation with the South.
Who are you to renege on that reconciliation? What moral authority do you have, that trumps those that fought and suffered to defeat the Confederacy?
Those who fought and suffered at the Confederacy are now long dead. The desire of some to commemorate their choice to do so, is their prerogative, but not a personal choice of mine.
Furthermore, where have I stated that MY opinion is more "valid" than yours?
What I stated is that there are events that I experienced that YOU did not, based on a number of of obvious factors.
That is not the same as me stating that your opinions are not "valid".
They obviously are to you, which at the risk of me sounding redundant like you are, is your right.
As far as me "reneging" on the so called reconciliation between the Confederacy and the union, I do not possess the political influence to do do.
However, I do have the right as citizen, to not agree with the opinion that the Confederate flag is not just "a harmless symbol".
Just as you have the right to believe that it is.
......
But your side of the divide is not leaving at that. THey are taking steps to drive from the public square any public display of such history or pride AND to marginalize anyone that disagrees with you on this or similar issues.
It is all part of a general anti-white stance, where even saying "white" in relation to white people, is seen and treated as taboo.
(unless it is to attack them, of course)
Republicans struggle to elect blacks to Congress. Electing one as president won't happen in this century.
