The GOP demands Jeb Bush

[Rikurzhen]

A new wing of the GOP even further to the right, done ala Tea Party style, will simply put greater distance between swing voters and growing diversity

You do realize that square Mr Romney, the unhip staid family man won the white youth vote in a media environment which touted Obama as winning the youth vote. Also in the media saturated "War on Women" maelstrom Romney also won the white women vote. He also, of course, had a lock on white men.

How did he win white youth and white women? Obama supposedly had the advantage.

When you point to growing diversity you make an elementary error, you think that gains only move in one direction. They don't, demographic change creates dynamic bidirectional change. The more the Democrats become the party of color, the less appeal Democrats have for white voters. When the fundamental Who, Whom dynamic of the Democrats is to extract wealth from whites and redistribute to minorities who support the Democrats, those whites who support the Democrats and are sitting on the margin will migrate to the Republicans thus moving the margin inward to a new set of whites who now become that much more marginalized in the Democratic Party. At some point it becomes obvious to the clinigers that the Democrats can't offer anything to white voters and then the transition becomes complete.

This dynamic was written into stone when the Democrats decided to base their coalition on identity rather than on policy, like the Republicans. If the Democrats choose to be the party dominated by minorities, it follows that whites will have to find a new home.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Jeb is the only Republican who can win swing states and fight Hillary for Florida.

He is their only option.

How pathetic is that?

Says the supporter of a party which is going to reward a woman riding on the coattails of her husband and with a record of being promoted after each failure.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

I guess the primaries are over before they started. The GOP decided they want Jeb Bush. For all you conservatives out there, I guess the choice is being made for you. The GOP will spend it's mass fortune to push Jeb and slander anyone else running.

No, no. Don't try to say that you can still vote for someone else in the primary. The GOP doesn't care that you want Cruz, Paul, Walker, or Christie. All the GOP has to do is claim that Jeb is the only option if you want to beat Hillary, get their pundits (Hannity, Limbaugh, Fox news) to repeat it, and you conservatives will eat it up. It's already started. Seemingly out of nowhere, interviews and news stories about Jeb are popping up everywhere. Some pundits are already spouting the line "Only option against Hillary". Jeb has been meeting with Republican leaders and republican donors. The primary is just a dog and pony show now.

The GOP has already made the choice for you.



(Now I get to sit back, watch conservatives deny this, and still get proven right in time)

If the GOP is putting Jeb up against Hillary, watch Comedy Central for a replay of the cartoon series Lil Bush or whatever it was. Had Jeb in it as an inarticulate basket case.

 

[Rikurzhen]

I have to be frank here. I am not looking for a right wing door slamming, hard core conservative for president. That's counter productive. And one who would fail in his sworn duty to represent ALL Americans.
Once again, I will support and vote for a GOP or even a democrat candidate that is more statesman than politician and one who fits the criteria I described above.

It's interesting to listen to people who will choose a president based on more than just the party they are from.

However do you consider the potential impact of a president on, say, future of relations with Islam and the US? Bush did so much irreparable damage to relations, and all for the good of the Republican Party but detrimental to the people of the USA, and other pro-US countries like those in Europe.
How much do you think another Republican would just ramp up the anti-Islam rhetoric again to get support by "being tough" and yet causing problems?

If Bush did such damage with Islam then why is Obama's polling with Muslims even lower than Bush's?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

 

[JoeB131]

Jeb is really not that bad. He's a solid moderate, and not a bible thumper.

If the GOP runs a Tea Party candidate they'll not take back the white house.

If the GOP takes the senate back in November, and don't get the white house back too...we're all in for nothing getting done in Washington from 2014-2020

They won't take it back with Jeb either.

Do they really think everyone is going to forget the Iraq War and the Recession?

 

[JoeB131]

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I demand you pull your head out of your backside. Unless you have straw polls or any other kind of polling data, stop posting, before you hurt yourself.

All the polls in 2011 said that the faithful wanted NOTHING to do with Mitt Romney. But the establishment forced him on the rank and file anyway.

 

[JoeB131]

The same steady grind as Mitt, and let the far righties devour their tails as they did last time.

Uh, Jake, Romney lost an election he should have been able to win. Maybe the far right has a point.

I think it's pretty stupid for the GOP to keep forcing these losers that the rank and file doesn't want on party faithful. Dole, McCain, Romney, the Bush family. And they keep coming up losers.

The GOP had it's greatest success when it listened to its heart and nominated Reagan, who the GOP Establishment wanted no part of.

 

[frigidweirdo]

If Bush did such damage with Islam then why is Obama's polling with Muslims even lower than Bush's?

Because life isn't so simple that everything stands still and you can take a poll and it will tell you everything.

From 9/11 to now the anger of Islam against the US has just increased, you might see it as a steady chart that just goes up and up and up, with maybe a little more increase due to certain events like the invasion of Iraq.

What can Obama do about this? Not much, it's out of his control, but he's the president and he's the one who takes the flak regardless of what he did, what Bush did, What Clinton did etc etc. It's the nature of the job.

Obama is the figurehead of the USA. You want to express your anger at US foreign policy, who are you going to aim it at? Obama.

It doesn't need to make sense, anger usually doesn't. People get hatred not only from the actions of what the US has done, but also how people interpret this, how they use it for their own advantage.

If you were Iraqi and Bush took over your country, but now it's Obama running things and things are still rubbish, you might just hate Obama too.

 

[JoeB131]

Here's the underlying problem.

The GOP's best chance of success is hoping that people are tired of the languid economy of the Obama years enough to forget that it was George W. Bush who fucked it up so badly to start with.

But if you put Jeb up there vs. Hillary Clinton, what you end up getting is "Bush vs. Clinton", and frankly, I don't think that's a comparison any sane republican would want to make. 'Wars and Recession vs. Peace and Prosperity!"

 

[frigidweirdo]

The same steady grind as Mitt, and let the far righties devour their tails as they did last time.

Uh, Jake, Romney lost an election he should have been able to win. Maybe the far right has a point.

I think it's pretty stupid for the GOP to keep forcing these losers that the rank and file doesn't want on party faithful. Dole, McCain, Romney, the Bush family. And they keep coming up losers.

The GOP had it's greatest success when it listened to its heart and nominated Reagan, who the GOP Establishment wanted no part of.

However it's like sport. An example would be teams like Manchester United, Liverpool, Real Madrid and so on. They need to be in the Champions League every season for the money, so they try and make sure they're always there. If their coach is looking like he's not going to do it, they fire him and get a new one in. The desperation to remain in this competition comes above all else.

In the US teams have made it so they can't get relegated, they don't have international competition, so every season they can just make sure they're at the top, but if not, there's never any danger. The league, NFL, NBA whatever, they are always successful.

In politics you have two teams, they always have to be there and there abouts, they can't afford for a smaller team to get anywhere near them. The system, the two party system with the two teams ALWAYS wins, and must always win.

So they need to control everything so that A) the system wins and B) so they can win as a team. They need that control, they don't feel they can let go and have a fan's favorite who might do worse (but could do better), they need that one person who is going to be assured a certain amount of success.

The name says it all. Last 2 Republican presidents have been a Bush, chuuuuuching.........

 

[rightwinger]

Jeb is the only Republican who can win swing states and fight Hillary for Florida.

He is their only option.

How pathetic is that?

Says the supporter of a party which is going to reward a woman riding on the coattails of her husband and with a record of being promoted after each failure.

Coattails?

She was a United States Senator for eight years and Secretary of State for four. She has more experience than her husband had when he was elected

 

[frigidweirdo]

Here's the underlying problem.

The GOP's best chance of success is hoping that people are tired of the languid economy of the Obama years enough to forget that it was George W. Bush who fucked it up so badly to start with.

But if you put Jeb up there vs. Hillary Clinton, what you end up getting is "Bush vs. Clinton", and frankly, I don't think that's a comparison any sane republican would want to make. 'Wars and Recession vs. Peace and Prosperity!"

Republicans might be able to use the Islam card. I do think they will win, and it will be a sad day for the world and the US if it happens.

Basically if Obama can be painted as weak on terror, then the Republicans have it in the bag. If anyone is connected with Obama even more so, like Clinton. I don't think Bush v. Clinton will A) happen (clinton's not got it looks wise and this plays a massive part now) and B) people will look to the previous Bush v. Clinton.

 

[Rikurzhen]

If Bush did such damage with Islam then why is Obama's polling with Muslims even lower than Bush's?

Because life isn't so simple that everything stands still and you can take a poll and it will tell you everything.

From 9/11 to now the anger of Islam against the US has just increased, you might see it as a steady chart that just goes up and up and up, with maybe a little more increase due to certain events like the invasion of Iraq.

What can Obama do about this? Not much, it's out of his control, but he's the president and he's the one who takes the flak regardless of what he did, what Bush did, What Clinton did etc etc. It's the nature of the job.

Obama is the figurehead of the USA. You want to express your anger at US foreign policy, who are you going to aim it at? Obama.

It doesn't need to make sense, anger usually doesn't. People get hatred not only from the actions of what the US has done, but also how people interpret this, how they use it for their own advantage.

If you were Iraqi and Bush took over your country, but now it's Obama running things and things are still rubbish, you might just hate Obama too.

How about if you're Libyan and blame Obama for unleashing hell on your country? Or maybe Egyptian or Syrian and blame Obama for what he's done that has nothing to do with Bush? How about if you're Iranian and were counting on Obama's support during the Green Revolution and it was never offered?

Obama has been a disaster of indecision and buck-passing and Muslims respond to this. The "It's Bush's fault" line had a 6 month expiry date on it. I don't recall Bush running around claiming "it's all Clinton's fault" for his entire term.

 

[rightwinger]

Why Jeb is the Republicans best option

He is a moderate and can compete in swing states
He is capable of winning Florida and Ohio
He can do well with Hispanics if he doesn't sell out on his immigration views

Why Jeb is not a good choice

He tends to be dull and lacks the charisma his brother had
He bears the stink of Bush

 

[Rikurzhen]

Jeb is the only Republican who can win swing states and fight Hillary for Florida.

He is their only option.

How pathetic is that?

Says the supporter of a party which is going to reward a woman riding on the coattails of her husband and with a record of being promoted after each failure.

Coattails?

She was a United States Senator for eight years and Secretary of State for four. She has more experience than her husband had when he was elected

Yeah, coattails. Being first lady doesn't qualify you for anything, but trading on being First Lady buys you entre into office. She road on the coattails of her husband.

It would be tragedy of cosmic proportions to continue the practice of rewarding failure by promoting her to ever higher office.

 

[JoeB131]

You see, I don't buy that. I think most Americans have War Fatigue after 13 years of being told there's a scary Muslim under their bed.

 

[rightwinger]

Jeb is the only Republican who can win swing states and fight Hillary for Florida.

He is their only option.

How pathetic is that?

Says the supporter of a party which is going to reward a woman riding on the coattails of her husband and with a record of being promoted after each failure.

Coattails?

She was a United States Senator for eight years and Secretary of State for four. She has more experience than her husband had when he was elected

Yeah, coattails. Being first lady doesn't qualify you for anything, but trading on being First Lady buys you entre into office. She road on the coattails of her husband.

It would be tragedy of cosmic proportions to continue the practice of rewarding failure by promoting her to ever higher office.

If it was that easy, you would think the previous 41 First Ladies would have tried it

We get it. Conservatives hate Hillary, but the voters have shown they don't. Like it or not, Hillary is more experienced than any of the proposed Republican candidates and is killing them in face to face polling

 

[MisterBeale]

From a GOP strategy perspective, they shouldn't give a crap about what evangelicals and Tea Partiers want...they'll vote Republican no matter what. So you get candidates like Romney and Bush, instead of Cruz or Paul

No, they wont. They'll sit at home instead. That is exactly why Romney lost.

Romney lost because he did not pull the center, not because he didn't pull the far right. The far right can't elect anyone.

That's a lie. Conservative, the type that supported Ron Paul and Reagan stayed home. They didn't bother coming out to vote.

 

[frigidweirdo]

How about if you're Libyan and blame Obama for unleashing hell on your country? Or maybe Egyptian or Syrian and blame Obama for what he's done that has nothing to do with Bush? How about if you're Iranian and were counting on Obama's support during the Green Revolution and it was never offered?

Obama has been a disaster of indecision and buck-passing and Muslims respond to this. The "It's Bush's fault" line had a 6 month expiry date on it. I don't recall Bush running around claiming "it's all Clinton's fault" for his entire term.

What could Bush claim was Clinton's fault?

You can't ignore the impact that Bush has had on Islam. The whole "War on Terror" was Bush. The whole making Islam the common enemy of the west was Bush. The whole setting al-Qaeda up in Iraq was Bush. The whole destabilizing the region was Bush.

This is in no way passing the buck from Obama has done. I don't play the team game nonsense, I didn't vote Obama, I've never voted Democrat. I'm looking at this from an objective point of view.

Libya was Obama's fault, more for caving in to McCain than anything else. He supported the Arab Spring, as did everyone else in US politics, turns out supporting freedom and democracy isn't really good for US interests though.

So, some would blame Obama for not going into Syria, Iran no one would have touched unless they were willing for full scale invasion.
But yes, people will blame Obama for these things, hate him for this or the other.

The US has reached a point where some expect the US to invade, others will hate the US for not invading.

That's a direct result of Bush's policy.

Most get angry that US policy is ALWAYS in the interests of the US no matter who the president is.