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And you are ignoring the fact that if a Black man was arrested and tried for some crime and a White person was not arrested for that very same crime that your assumption that Blacks commit more crimes is flawed.
They get sentenced to longer prison sentences because they on average have longer rap sheets---the more crimes you commit, the less mercy that a judge is going to take on you regardless of color.How can you “do something” is you dont know the cause of the problem?It doesn't matter why it only matters that it is and that we do something to rectify the issue.
are you just going to blindly impose quotas on black convictions?
The problem is that Black men get sentenced to longer prison sentences than White men for the same crimes.
The solution is to either give White men the same sentences that Black men get for the same crimes or to give Black men the same sentences as White men for the same crimes.
Why are you so hell bent on what you think is the cause when the solution is so simple?
You want me to say that the system is racist and I really don't care if it is I care about equal treatment for all people no matter the color of their skin. We have concrete proof that all people are not being treated equally. IMO THAT is the problem and the solution is to treat all people equally.
If that means strict sentencing guidelines then so be it. I'm all for sentences for crimes being held to mandatory minimums or maximums as long as that standard applies to every single person who stands trial in a court of law.
We give judges and juries far too much leeway when it comes to sentencing.
They rose with Obama and will with Biden. The real costs of things domestically rises massively. We live with much of our products with people who work for lower wages overseas. If left to our own ways, perhaps because of our massive tax system, we would pay a few times for the same if made here. That would still be better because we would have foundation of manufacturing.China has not taken away "reasonable prices" from us. When a pair of American made jeans cost $90 dollars, of course we will buy Chinese or Mexican, etc.Merkle would not know the difference between an Allen wrench and a screwdriverThe great negotiator should take a lesson from Merkle.
the germans are good at engineering because they just are
its something in the Teutonic DNA I suppose
Since the Industrial Revolution began german engineering has been better than American
where we excelled was in applying good engineering on a large scal at reasonable prices
and now china has even taken that away from us
Our prices will continue to rise due to trump's failed, bullying policies as European countries make trade deals with China. The great negotiator.
Merkle doesn't have to know those differences because she has people in her sphere who know what she doesn't know. Trump has people in his sphere who voted for him and tell him what he wants to hear rather than what he needs to hear.
No, it would not be better. If there is no competition, prices would rise dramatically.They rose with Obama and will with Biden. The real costs of things domestically rises massively. We live with much of our products with people who work for lower wages overseas. If left to our own ways, perhaps because of our massive tax system, we would pay a few times for the same if made here. That would still be better because we would have foundation of manufacturing.China has not taken away "reasonable prices" from us. When a pair of American made jeans cost $90 dollars, of course we will buy Chinese or Mexican, etc.Merkle would not know the difference between an Allen wrench and a screwdriverThe great negotiator should take a lesson from Merkle.
the germans are good at engineering because they just are
its something in the Teutonic DNA I suppose
Since the Industrial Revolution began german engineering has been better than American
where we excelled was in applying good engineering on a large scal at reasonable prices
and now china has even taken that away from us
Our prices will continue to rise due to trump's failed, bullying policies as European countries make trade deals with China. The great negotiator.
Merkle doesn't have to know those differences because she has people in her sphere who know what she doesn't know. Trump has people in his sphere who voted for him and tell him what he wants to hear rather than what he needs to hear.
Paying Americans a high wage instead of using chinese slave labor would cause prices to riseIf there is no competition, prices would rise dramatically.
what's that got to do with sentencing disparities?We introduced the variable of fatherless children and the pressure broken homes have on young boysI am introducing another variable into the discussion.
It applies to all races but the numbers of single mothers are greater among blacks
I posted a link to the study by the US Sentencing Commission already.And you are ignoring the fact that if a Black man was arrested and tried for some crime and a White person was not arrested for that very same crime that your assumption that Blacks commit more crimes is flawed.
Hello, Blues Man.
With all due respect, please help educate me.
Can you provide a reliable study indicating it's a FACT police are arresting African Americans citizens for committing offenses or crimes...
...and they are NOT arresting Euro American citizens for committing the same offenses or crimes.
Peace.
The dismantling of manufacturing in our country was the result of high costs, which resulted in manufacturing losing its competitive edge. The alternative was to move or close. They don't move to make more money (with exceptions) but move to remain profitable. The cost of moving is very high and is done out of desperationBlack families without fathers over the past sixty years wasn't caused by slavery, IM2...it's something that took place because of a short sighted welfare system that made it financially beneficial to NOT have a father in the house incentivized that to take place!The descendants of the same people who would break up black families by selling them are today the loudest talking people trying to diss the black community about single parent families.
When people start talking about race, there are just some simple realities that cannot be denied. If you are white and don't like how you are portrayed, start thinking about how unpleasant it really is for us who are not white to be portrayed as weak inferior people who got conquered by a supposedly superior race and culture. It is not a pleasant subject. For this to end we all must face the unpleasantness.
The doctrine of Partus sequitur ventrem comes from European civil law. It means; “That which is brought forth follows the belly.” This principle determined the legal status of children born by slave women in the America as well as other English or European colonies In colonial law, the partus doctrine justified enslavement, the indigenous people of the Americas and of the Africans imported to various European colonies personal property of those who imported them.
During the time American was a colony, this doctrine established de facto and de jure slavery for all children born to female slaves. Partus sequitur ventrem exempted the father from his obligations to children he fathered by slaves thereby creating the ability for slaveowners to have their way with enslaved women. Under this doctrine the biological father had no paternal responsibility to any child born to a slave woman. Because of this the slaver was provided the right to profit from exploiting the labor of children born to slaves. It gave the slaver the ability to sell children by taking them away from their biological parents. Partus sequitur ventrem was the doctrine that created the first family separation policy in what is now America.
Despite the claims of Africans selling each other, the doctrine of Partus sequitur ventrem does not appear to be a part of the system of African slavery.
Partus Sequitur Ventrem — The Rule That Perpetrated Slavery And Legalized Rape
This was the legal doctrine that made any child of an American female slave a slave as well. It meant any white fathers had no financial responsibility for their progeny. They were free to rape their slaves at will as there were no laws against that either. With no concern for any children that might come from the forced union. In fact, there was a market for mulatto and octaroon children who would be purchased to work as domestics. Some owners (Thomas Jefferson) used their half-white slaves as their concubines, finding them more attractive the closer they were to white. Sally Hemings was Jefferson’s wife’s half-sister, the product of her father raping a slave. Then again the master might sell their offspring to keep the peace with their wives who might be annoyed at little slave children running around who favor their husbands.
Not talked about in proper society were the children of free white women and black slaves. White women who weren’t sure what color the child might be could get a legal abortion those days. “Cottonwood” was a remedy known to slaves who sometimes refused to have children after being raped or as often as the masters would like. Some women would be forced to have over a dozen children if they survived as death during childbirth was relatively common. The rare slave would be offered their freedom if they produced enough children. Sometimes the dark child of a white woman was abandoned or given away. Usually just sold off although technically they were legally free.
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Partus Sequitur Ventrem — The Rule That Perpetrated Slavery And Legalized Rape | by William Spivey | Dialogue & Discourse | Medium
Partus sequitur ventrem legal definition of Partus sequitur ventrem (thefreedictionary.com)
Of course sending jobs overseas that once made it possible for people to survive had nothing to do with it. It all goes back to the same thing. Slavery, the dismantling of our manufacturing. Greed.
as companies see the writing on the wall.
Germany addressed that without allowing their [its] manufacturing to leave.
They get sentenced to longer prison sentences because they on average have longer rap sheets---the more crimes you commit, the less mercy that a judge is going to take on you regardless of color.How can you “do something” is you dont know the cause of the problem?It doesn't matter why it only matters that it is and that we do something to rectify the issue.
are you just going to blindly impose quotas on black convictions?
The problem is that Black men get sentenced to longer prison sentences than White men for the same crimes.
The solution is to either give White men the same sentences that Black men get for the same crimes or to give Black men the same sentences as White men for the same crimes.
Why are you so hell bent on what you think is the cause when the solution is so simple?
You want me to say that the system is racist and I really don't care if it is I care about equal treatment for all people no matter the color of their skin. We have concrete proof that all people are not being treated equally. IMO THAT is the problem and the solution is to treat all people equally.
If that means strict sentencing guidelines then so be it. I'm all for sentences for crimes being held to mandatory minimums or maximums as long as that standard applies to every single person who stands trial in a court of law.
We give judges and juries far too much leeway when it comes to sentencing.
Stop committing crimes, stop worshipping criminals which only encourages more crimes.
On June 8, 2015, Charles Blow wrote an article in the New York Times titled, “Black Dads Are Doing Best of All.” McDonald should have read it. This article takes apart the tale of black fathers not being around for their kids. The issue of unwed births really has no relation to whether 2 parents are around. An unwed birth is a child being born and the couple is not married. That does not mean a man and a woman are not together raising the child. The single mother narrative got destroyed long ago, because a single mother does not mean a man will not be around to influence the child as it grows up. One fantastic example is the story Shaquille O’Neal tells about his relationship with Sergeant Phillip Harrison who raised him with his mother. Finally, the appearance of Barack Obama on the world stage allows me to say once and for all that a single parent family is not the cause of the problem. This article shows that the majority of black children in this country live with their fathers or their fathers are active participants in their lives. In reality, not the convoluted racist mind, a mother and father ARE present in the majority of black homes.
Josh Levs points this out in his new book, “All In,” in a chapter titled “How Black Dads Are Doing Best of All (But There’s Still a Crisis).” One fact that Levs quickly establishes is that most black fathers in America live with their children: “There are about 2.5 million black fathers living with their children and about 1.7 million living apart from them.”
Charles Blow
A report titled “Fathers’ Involvement With Their Children: United States, 2006–2010,” was published by the Centers for Disease Control in the National Health Report on December 20, 2013. The findings are interesting for those who have decided they can paint black culture in moral terms. Moral terms that 244 years of American history show whites who have decided they can do the painting, refuse hold themselves to. The findings in this study debunk the standard racist white narrative to the point that it is miseducation, misinformation, lies, or whatever word you want to give to the purposeful deception provided to describe a race of people. Some of the findings are as follows:
A higher percentage of fathers who lived with their children under age 5 fed or ate meals with them daily—72% compared with 7.9% of fathers with noncoresidential children. A higher percentage of fathers living apart from their children did not feed or eat meals with them at all in the last 4 weeks—43% compared with 0.8% of fathers with coresidential children (Table 2). Variation by Hispanic origin and race was seen in the percentages of coresidential fathers who ate meals with their children every day. Specifically, Hispanic fathers were less likely to eat meals with their children every day (64%) than were non-Hispanic white (74%) or non-Hispanic black (78%) fathers.
There was a significant difference by Hispanic origin and race among fathers with coresidential children: Black fathers (70%) were most likely to have bathed, dressed, diapered, or helped their children use the toilet every day compared with white (60%) and Hispanic fathers (45%).
A higher percentage of Hispanic fathers aged 15–44 (52%) had not played with their noncoresidential children in the last 4 weeks compared with white (30%) and black (25%) fathers.
Larger percentages of Hispanic (82%) and white (70%) fathers had not helped their noncoresidential children with homework at all in the last 4 weeks compared with black fathers (56%).
Simply put, the unwed, single mom, absent black father is not the cause of crime or violence in black communities. Single mothers have boyfriends, this seems to be ignored and it should not be.
- Pew Research estimates that 67 percent of black dads who don’t live with their kids see them at least once a month, compared to 59 percent of white dads and 32 percent of Hispanic dads. Evidence shows that a number of black dads living apart from their kids because of structural systems of inequality and poverty, not the unfounded racist assumption that African-American men place less or no value on parenting. Black and white fathers agree on the importance of being a father who provides emotional support, instills discipline and moral guidance. Black dads are also more likely to think it is important to provide for his children financially.
The dismantling of manufacturing in our country was the result of high costs, which resulted in manufacturing losing its competitive edge. The alternative was to move or close. They don't move to make more money (with exceptions) but move to remain profitable. The cost of moving is very high and is done out of desperationBlack families without fathers over the past sixty years wasn't caused by slavery, IM2...it's something that took place because of a short sighted welfare system that made it financially beneficial to NOT have a father in the house incentivized that to take place!The descendants of the same people who would break up black families by selling them are today the loudest talking people trying to diss the black community about single parent families.
When people start talking about race, there are just some simple realities that cannot be denied. If you are white and don't like how you are portrayed, start thinking about how unpleasant it really is for us who are not white to be portrayed as weak inferior people who got conquered by a supposedly superior race and culture. It is not a pleasant subject. For this to end we all must face the unpleasantness.
The doctrine of Partus sequitur ventrem comes from European civil law. It means; “That which is brought forth follows the belly.” This principle determined the legal status of children born by slave women in the America as well as other English or European colonies In colonial law, the partus doctrine justified enslavement, the indigenous people of the Americas and of the Africans imported to various European colonies personal property of those who imported them.
During the time American was a colony, this doctrine established de facto and de jure slavery for all children born to female slaves. Partus sequitur ventrem exempted the father from his obligations to children he fathered by slaves thereby creating the ability for slaveowners to have their way with enslaved women. Under this doctrine the biological father had no paternal responsibility to any child born to a slave woman. Because of this the slaver was provided the right to profit from exploiting the labor of children born to slaves. It gave the slaver the ability to sell children by taking them away from their biological parents. Partus sequitur ventrem was the doctrine that created the first family separation policy in what is now America.
Despite the claims of Africans selling each other, the doctrine of Partus sequitur ventrem does not appear to be a part of the system of African slavery.
Partus Sequitur Ventrem — The Rule That Perpetrated Slavery And Legalized Rape
This was the legal doctrine that made any child of an American female slave a slave as well. It meant any white fathers had no financial responsibility for their progeny. They were free to rape their slaves at will as there were no laws against that either. With no concern for any children that might come from the forced union. In fact, there was a market for mulatto and octaroon children who would be purchased to work as domestics. Some owners (Thomas Jefferson) used their half-white slaves as their concubines, finding them more attractive the closer they were to white. Sally Hemings was Jefferson’s wife’s half-sister, the product of her father raping a slave. Then again the master might sell their offspring to keep the peace with their wives who might be annoyed at little slave children running around who favor their husbands.
Not talked about in proper society were the children of free white women and black slaves. White women who weren’t sure what color the child might be could get a legal abortion those days. “Cottonwood” was a remedy known to slaves who sometimes refused to have children after being raped or as often as the masters would like. Some women would be forced to have over a dozen children if they survived as death during childbirth was relatively common. The rare slave would be offered their freedom if they produced enough children. Sometimes the dark child of a white woman was abandoned or given away. Usually just sold off although technically they were legally free.
View attachment 437108
Partus Sequitur Ventrem — The Rule That Perpetrated Slavery And Legalized Rape | by William Spivey | Dialogue & Discourse | Medium
Partus sequitur ventrem legal definition of Partus sequitur ventrem (thefreedictionary.com)
Of course sending jobs overseas that once made it possible for people to survive had nothing to do with it. It all goes back to the same thing. Slavery, the dismantling of our manufacturing. Greed.
as companies see the writing on the wall.
Germany addressed that without allowing their [its] manufacturing to leave.
When was that?
Speaking of today, are all Mercedes, Volkswagons manufactured in Germany? It's a world economy and major corporations manufacture their products all over the world. Wherever makes the most business sense.
you have a very stilted solution to the situationwhat's that got to do with sentencing disparities?
you have a very stilted solution to the situationwhat's that got to do with sentencing disparities?
I do like the idea of rendering lawyers and judges impotent through mandatory sentencing
but I suspect that black people and liberal white will complain about that the most
what's that got to do with sentencing disparities?
www.foxnews.com
Hello, Blues Man.I posted a link to the study by the US Sentencing Commission already.And you are ignoring the fact that if a Black man was arrested and tried for some crime and a White person was not arrested for that very same crime that your assumption that Blacks commit more crimes is flawed.
Hello, Blues Man.
With all due respect, please help educate me.
Can you provide a reliable study indicating it's a FACT police are arresting African Americans citizens for committing offenses or crimes...
...and they are NOT arresting Euro American citizens for committing the same offenses or crimes.
Peace.
and how about this for a little proof
Whites and Blacks use marijuana at about the same rates yet there are almost 4 times more blacks arrested for marijuana charges than whites.
so it seems that the police do arrest more Blacks than Whites for crimes involving marijuana. Is it too much of a stretch to think that cops arrest more blacks than whites for other crimes as well?
I posted a link to the study by the US Sentencing Commission already.And you are ignoring the fact that if a Black man was arrested and tried for some crime and a White person was not arrested for that very same crime that your assumption that Blacks commit more crimes is flawed.
Hello, Blues Man.
With all due respect, please help educate me.
Can you provide a reliable study indicating it's a FACT police are arresting African Americans citizens for committing offenses or crimes...
...and they are NOT arresting Euro American citizens for committing the same offenses or crimes.
Peace.
and how about this for a little proof
Whites and Blacks use marijuana at about the same rates yet there are almost 4 times more blacks arrested for marijuana charges than whites.
so it seems that the police do arrest more Blacks than Whites for crimes involving marijuana. Is it too much of a stretch to think that cops arrest more blacks than whites for other crimes as well?
Stop committing crimes, stop worshipping criminals which only encourages more crimes.
Actually. their manufacturing has opened in other countries and kept manufacturing in Germany also. Our government has also addressed it with intimidating statements and threats, and trump doing the talking. The great negotiator should take a lesson from Merkle.The dismantling of manufacturing in our country was the result of high costs, which resulted in manufacturing losing its competitive edge. The alternative was to move or close. They don't move to make more money (with exceptions) but move to remain profitable. The cost of moving is very high and is done out of desperationBlack families without fathers over the past sixty years wasn't caused by slavery, IM2...it's something that took place because of a short sighted welfare system that made it financially beneficial to NOT have a father in the house incentivized that to take place!The descendants of the same people who would break up black families by selling them are today the loudest talking people trying to diss the black community about single parent families.
When people start talking about race, there are just some simple realities that cannot be denied. If you are white and don't like how you are portrayed, start thinking about how unpleasant it really is for us who are not white to be portrayed as weak inferior people who got conquered by a supposedly superior race and culture. It is not a pleasant subject. For this to end we all must face the unpleasantness.
The doctrine of Partus sequitur ventrem comes from European civil law. It means; “That which is brought forth follows the belly.” This principle determined the legal status of children born by slave women in the America as well as other English or European colonies In colonial law, the partus doctrine justified enslavement, the indigenous people of the Americas and of the Africans imported to various European colonies personal property of those who imported them.
During the time American was a colony, this doctrine established de facto and de jure slavery for all children born to female slaves. Partus sequitur ventrem exempted the father from his obligations to children he fathered by slaves thereby creating the ability for slaveowners to have their way with enslaved women. Under this doctrine the biological father had no paternal responsibility to any child born to a slave woman. Because of this the slaver was provided the right to profit from exploiting the labor of children born to slaves. It gave the slaver the ability to sell children by taking them away from their biological parents. Partus sequitur ventrem was the doctrine that created the first family separation policy in what is now America.
Despite the claims of Africans selling each other, the doctrine of Partus sequitur ventrem does not appear to be a part of the system of African slavery.
Partus Sequitur Ventrem — The Rule That Perpetrated Slavery And Legalized Rape
This was the legal doctrine that made any child of an American female slave a slave as well. It meant any white fathers had no financial responsibility for their progeny. They were free to rape their slaves at will as there were no laws against that either. With no concern for any children that might come from the forced union. In fact, there was a market for mulatto and octaroon children who would be purchased to work as domestics. Some owners (Thomas Jefferson) used their half-white slaves as their concubines, finding them more attractive the closer they were to white. Sally Hemings was Jefferson’s wife’s half-sister, the product of her father raping a slave. Then again the master might sell their offspring to keep the peace with their wives who might be annoyed at little slave children running around who favor their husbands.
Not talked about in proper society were the children of free white women and black slaves. White women who weren’t sure what color the child might be could get a legal abortion those days. “Cottonwood” was a remedy known to slaves who sometimes refused to have children after being raped or as often as the masters would like. Some women would be forced to have over a dozen children if they survived as death during childbirth was relatively common. The rare slave would be offered their freedom if they produced enough children. Sometimes the dark child of a white woman was abandoned or given away. Usually just sold off although technically they were legally free.
View attachment 437108
Partus Sequitur Ventrem — The Rule That Perpetrated Slavery And Legalized Rape | by William Spivey | Dialogue & Discourse | Medium
Partus sequitur ventrem legal definition of Partus sequitur ventrem (thefreedictionary.com)
Of course sending jobs overseas that once made it possible for people to survive had nothing to do with it. It all goes back to the same thing. Slavery, the dismantling of our manufacturing. Greed.
as companies see the writing on the wall.
Germany addressed that without allowing their manufacturing to leave.
Actually. their manufacturing has opened in other countries and kept manufacturing in Germany also. Our government has also addressed it with intimidating statements and threats, and trump doing the talking. The great negotiator should take a lesson from Merkle.The dismantling of manufacturing in our country was the result of high costs, which resulted in manufacturing losing its competitive edge. The alternative was to move or close. They don't move to make more money (with exceptions) but move to remain profitable. The cost of moving is very high and is done out of desperationBlack families without fathers over the past sixty years wasn't caused by slavery, IM2...it's something that took place because of a short sighted welfare system that made it financially beneficial to NOT have a father in the house incentivized that to take place!The descendants of the same people who would break up black families by selling them are today the loudest talking people trying to diss the black community about single parent families.
When people start talking about race, there are just some simple realities that cannot be denied. If you are white and don't like how you are portrayed, start thinking about how unpleasant it really is for us who are not white to be portrayed as weak inferior people who got conquered by a supposedly superior race and culture. It is not a pleasant subject. For this to end we all must face the unpleasantness.
The doctrine of Partus sequitur ventrem comes from European civil law. It means; “That which is brought forth follows the belly.” This principle determined the legal status of children born by slave women in the America as well as other English or European colonies In colonial law, the partus doctrine justified enslavement, the indigenous people of the Americas and of the Africans imported to various European colonies personal property of those who imported them.
During the time American was a colony, this doctrine established de facto and de jure slavery for all children born to female slaves. Partus sequitur ventrem exempted the father from his obligations to children he fathered by slaves thereby creating the ability for slaveowners to have their way with enslaved women. Under this doctrine the biological father had no paternal responsibility to any child born to a slave woman. Because of this the slaver was provided the right to profit from exploiting the labor of children born to slaves. It gave the slaver the ability to sell children by taking them away from their biological parents. Partus sequitur ventrem was the doctrine that created the first family separation policy in what is now America.
Despite the claims of Africans selling each other, the doctrine of Partus sequitur ventrem does not appear to be a part of the system of African slavery.
Partus Sequitur Ventrem — The Rule That Perpetrated Slavery And Legalized Rape
This was the legal doctrine that made any child of an American female slave a slave as well. It meant any white fathers had no financial responsibility for their progeny. They were free to rape their slaves at will as there were no laws against that either. With no concern for any children that might come from the forced union. In fact, there was a market for mulatto and octaroon children who would be purchased to work as domestics. Some owners (Thomas Jefferson) used their half-white slaves as their concubines, finding them more attractive the closer they were to white. Sally Hemings was Jefferson’s wife’s half-sister, the product of her father raping a slave. Then again the master might sell their offspring to keep the peace with their wives who might be annoyed at little slave children running around who favor their husbands.
Not talked about in proper society were the children of free white women and black slaves. White women who weren’t sure what color the child might be could get a legal abortion those days. “Cottonwood” was a remedy known to slaves who sometimes refused to have children after being raped or as often as the masters would like. Some women would be forced to have over a dozen children if they survived as death during childbirth was relatively common. The rare slave would be offered their freedom if they produced enough children. Sometimes the dark child of a white woman was abandoned or given away. Usually just sold off although technically they were legally free.
View attachment 437108
Partus Sequitur Ventrem — The Rule That Perpetrated Slavery And Legalized Rape | by William Spivey | Dialogue & Discourse | Medium
Partus sequitur ventrem legal definition of Partus sequitur ventrem (thefreedictionary.com)
Of course sending jobs overseas that once made it possible for people to survive had nothing to do with it. It all goes back to the same thing. Slavery, the dismantling of our manufacturing. Greed.
as companies see the writing on the wall.
Germany addressed that without allowing their manufacturing to leave.
And, as you know, we're manufacturing here too. As you know too, President Donald Trump brought jobs back from overseas which failed former President Obama said were gone forever.
